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MMORPGs that don't condone genocide?
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Mass murder that happens is one type of genocide. Another is the creation of world in which the unwanted element has already been eliminated.
The issue is not how much sexuality is present in a game. The issue is that, when a game includes hetero themes, it has a responsibility to its audience to include gay themes. This is not a niche game. This is a game that targets millions of people. Star Wars is a product that doesn't need to be restricted to heterosexuals. There is nothing in the Star Wars universe that supports that position. It's not like Star Wars is a religion that preaches against gay people.
Unfortunately, though, the creation of a game in which gay people have been eliminated does send a social message.
I did not report you and would appreciate it if you would stop making false accusations. I created this topic and I'm here replying in good faith.
it was relevant to me because your OP is confusing and mostly gibberish masquerading as a sarcastic quip. though, it took me a while to figure out the sarcasm because you confounded me with genocide and then jumped into homosexuality.
any gay person can purchase a game. therefore, they become a gay customer. i have never seen a game say, "anyone can buy our product. except gays. gay people can't buy our product." so, my comment remains correct in context with YOUR statement where you claimed gay people are excluded.
i will also say, i don't often find a game where i can overtly express my heterosexuality other than whistling at my wife's pseudoboobs when she's jumping in front of me. but here's an interesting conundrum for you:
i always roll female toons. their animations aren't as intrusive to my gaming. my wife always rolls female toons. if, in the game, i blow her a kiss, or tell her she looks hot, is that not almost a gay rpg? wow! what if we both rolled male toons? instant gay-on! the emotes are not exclusive. i can emote my heart off regardless of gender anyone else has rolled. there aren't exactly a high number of quests in any mmo that demand i run around seducing members of the opposite sex. even wow's valentine quests where you could sort of make out with others by kissing them etc made no reference to gender. your argument is petty and invalid as these games don't exactly try hard to enforce a heterosexual view either for fear of offending parents.
as i said, the ONLY game you could make a respectable argument against currently is swtor, because it DOES include romantic scenes and they ARE heterosexual in nature. however, they are changing this. so there's no argument to make here.
an rpg involves you actively roleplaying. woot!
every game is now a gayfest if you want it to be.
No, It's obvious you reported me.
One can easily derive that from the falsity of your arguments here. You're a dishonest person who likes to be the centre of attention but doesn't like to be criticised for that. That's that.
mass murder that happens is genocide? so, the US is currently involved in genocide because it's bombing afghanistan and iraq (among others)? actually, there's a valid argument there because everyone they're bombing is of a particular racial group. that argument is more valid than yours.
and why should a game include gay themes when it hardly includes heterosexual themes? any kind of sexual theme in an mmo is traditionally excluded. perhaps the korean market forgets this. but even their market gets super-worked up over the male characters. ask my wife. she's korean.
star wars, despite your rant, is changing their romantic stories.
your argument has no rug.
I have seen no posts thus far that would warrant taking that action. However, this post of yours is clearly in violation of the Rules of Conduct. I'm not going to report you, though.
you're wrong. i play an inquisitor most of the time. and talos drellik as as gay as they come.
Wow. That's quite the leap.
I like the part about intelligence being a detriment. Really?
Bioware already generally overrepresents gays in their games. There should be a roughly 9 hetero romances for every gay romance. This is not the case. There are more gay romances in Bioware games than statistically accurate. Far from Gay's being persecuted. More close to straight's being indoctrinated by the overrepresentation of gay romance.
Genocide is the elimination of a specific group based on traits that are considered incompatible with the culture. When the Nazis put homosexuals and Jews (among others) into death camps, that is genocidal. Homosexuality was deemed a characteristic that was incompatible with culture and homosexuals were thus considered a group for wholesale elimination. The same thing is true for the Jews.
While religion is actually chosen, homosexuality is not. So, the argument that genocide applies less to homosexuality than religious identification seems weak.
I was under the impression that this was being rectified. Am I wrong?
I'm also gay (female) and would appreciate being able to have a female companion in game and play out the romantic parts of the story. Why? For fun, of course.
I do have to disagree with your use of the word "genocide" as I said in a previous post. It does not apply to a game. In a real world where REAL genocide happens....it's disrespectful to use that word in this way.
Otherwise....I hear where you're coming from. I just think you're a bit misguided.
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I felt this way after a minute of reading. Im not sure where the op is coming from, it was nice read but being homosexual it makes me feel like someone is fighting on my team for the wrong reasons.
Gay kids are killing themselves in our culture at a rate that far exceeds the norm. There is nothing disrespectful about trying to create a climate in which heterosexism and homophobia are not so prevalant.
Similar innuendo was posted about the OP in the other topic. The key here is to address the substance, not the person.
Sorry, there is still no GENOCIDE in a game. You're trying to use a real world term on a fantasy world. In this case, it doesn't work.
Yes, as I said, I'm gay....I get it. You're still over-reaching on your terminology, however. Bioware needs to take care of this problem as they promised.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
So, your position is that a game in which gay people don't exist overrepresents gays.
Here is the thing.
That we see in the world around us. At least the country I live in. Is the opposite.
There are a billion programs for gays. There are commercials on television. There are parades.
The country I live in is so far from the reality your brain resides in.
Genocide is a strong term because the wholesale elimination of a group of people is a strong action to take. It's clear enough here that we're talking about a game, so the severity of the term is diminished in comparison with real-life situations. But, no one has presented a term that is an adequate substitute or has shown that the term doesn't apply.
Genocide is the elimination of a group of people based on an unwanted characteristic, one that is deemed incompatible with society. How is eliminating gays from a MMORPG not applicable? It's one thing if there is no sexuality at all, despite the assumption of heterosexuality, which is a much weaker objection in that context. But, in a game in which heterosexuality is present, particularly one that is aimed at millions of customers and which has no foundational reason (such as religious affiliation) to eliminate gays -- what exactly is it then? The only word I've seen suggested so far, discrimination, carries no information about the type of discrimination. Genocide does.
I think he was referring to the Dragon Age series and convieniently forgetting SWTOR. Because we have NO representation in SWTOR, so surely that's what he was thinking. Or....maybe he thinks no representation is fine. In that case....he'd just be wrong.
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No SWTOR is the exception. Which they claim to be changing. When it does change it will overrepresent gays.
Nice deflection attempt though.
I'm unclear about this.
The international definition as adopted by the United Nations is as follows:
Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The part underlined by myself is significant. Funny how some groups not represented by special interest are in the most danger.
How do you figure it OVER-represents us? Pray do tell. If you don't want to see homosexual relationships roleplayed then don't MAKE ONE. You choose the relationship and with what companion, so.....how will we be over-represented exactly?
Kind of like if you hate gay marriage....don't marry someone gay. Capiche?
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The number of gays are very low compared to the number of hetero's. You would have at least 9 hetero relationships for every gay one.
Traditional Bioware tends to have about a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio.
Because of the number of gays in the general population.
Don't get emotional about numbers.
So considering that we know only 10% of the population is gay.....you need to tell your straight friends to quit roleplaying gay relationships then.
Or maybe gay folks just LOVE Bioware games? If that's the case....not really much you can do about that other than play something else....or boycott....or whatever else will further your anti-gay cause.
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