I'm more shocked that they are offering an elite skill as a pre-order bonus... I thought this wasn't going to be pay to win. Granted 1 skill won't make much difference, but it's a step down a very dark path. And yeah, $150 is pretty high for the CE, even $80 for Digital Deluxe is a bit much... edit: thanks kinghad, $60 for standard is kinda high too, but I guess with no sub fee it is ok, just a bit less money I will have to spend in the cash shop.
I wouldnt worry too much about the skill itself, there is already a racial skill in game that does a similar thing called hounds of balthazar i would actually worry if its as good as that one since in that skill you summon 2 of them instead of the single wolf here.
I would have chosen the Physical CE if it wasn't for the figurine. I have all physical CEs for Guild Wars 1, would have liked to continue that tradition as well.
$150 = 6,450 phil pesos = 3 weeks salary. I'll go for a digital deluxe edition.
As others have pointed out, we have choices. What's important is that all 3 versions includes the game many have been waiting to get their hands on!
Playing now: Cities: Skyline / Ori and the Blind Forest / Banished
Areanet Marketing: We should charge 150 bucks for our collectors edition.
Areanet Devs: Why? That seems a bit steep.
Arenanet marketing: EA did it, so can we.
Areanet Devs: Good point!
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I do not mind the price tag. 150$ for CE is within reason, however i expected some more swag there. Instead of a figurine (which tends to be the expensive bit) I'd much prefer a poster, book, map maybe some themed little goodies (like cards, dices, etc.). There could be so much fancy stuff included that would actually make me want to spend those extra $ for physical CE.
Sadly digital CE doesn't look appealing either. In-game stuff doesn't interest me at all, the mini pet sounds neat, but other than thet...typical pre-order junk. Give me digital artbook, full soundtrack and I'll be more than happy to add those 20$ on top of standard price.
Or like an huge poster, guide, and maybe something else?
They give artbook and few photo-sized art bits. What I'm talking about is one of the novel books for eg. a huge poster I could hang on my wall, a nice cloth map of the world ...
It's kind of sad because what i listed is exactly what back in the days a standard edition of Baldur's Gate included when I bought it... Times changed so much since then.
Oh something like Skyrim's CE? Think it was 180 though.
Cutting out the statue would cut the costs tho. Hell i'd even prefer the Charr plushie over the statue, at least it has more of novelty and fun-factor while being cheaper to manufacture. The materials for those figurines tend to be the expensive part. Last good value CE I've seen really was Witcher CE, and while the bust wasn't that impressive all the other stuff included was great (card deck, dices, coin, phamplet, stickers, guide, full manual, artbook, map) for 50$ less ...
Been wondering all day, am i the only one shocked about the $150 they are asking for their collectors edition?
And i am even more shocked that there are people willing to pay that for stuff that ends in the trashbin sooner or later.
I think its a good example of a company trying to rip off their loyal fanbase. Following in the footsteps of EA's pricing scheme for the SWTOR boxes is not a good thing.
If they continue down this road, with their itemshop we might be in for a sad and shattered dream.
You do realize those statues retail for $75 to $90.
That was about what I expected it would be for the CE. The thing that disappoints me is they actually included a master elite skill as a bonus for those that purchase the CE. Frankly, I find that to be incredibly lame.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I'm more shocked that they are offering an elite skill as a pre-order bonus... I thought this wasn't going to be pay to win. Granted 1 skill won't make much difference, but it's a step down a very dark path. And yeah, $150 is pretty high for the CE, even $80 for Digital Deluxe is a bit much... edit: thanks kinghad, $60 for standard is kinda high too, but I guess with no sub fee it is ok, just a bit less money I will have to spend in the cash shop.
I wouldnt worry too much about the skill itself, there is already a racial skill in game that does a similar thing called hounds of balthazar i would actually worry if its as good as that one since in that skill you summon 2 of them instead of the single wolf here.
In addition to that, every in game bonus they offer as part of either CE is A) so minor as to be virtually insignificant and temporary.
Really it's a double-edged sword for Anet. If they make the bonuses extremely strong, they risk an early P2W image, an obviously bad precedent from a PR standpoint. If they make the bonuses extremely weak (which I feel they did), they won't be very attractive to potential customers, which may hurt CE sales. I guess they're relying on artwork, music (both of which can be experienced in plenty on the internet--and I mean wallpaper, screenshots and blogs, not pirating) and...um...a statue to entice the hardcore fans. To each his own I suppose.
Cutting out the statue would cut the costs tho. Hell i'd even prefer the Charr plushie over the statue, at least it has more of novelty and fun-factor while being cheaper to manufacture. The materials for those figurines tend to be the expensive part.
Actually I am kinda bummed that the CE doesnt come with the plushie.
That was about what I expected it would be for the CE. The thing that disappoints me is they actually included a master elite skill as a bonus for those that purchase the CE. Frankly, I find that to be incredibly lame.
That is also a bonus for the Digital Deluxe edition.
Besides, it's will have a long cooldown and the summon itself will probably only last for 1 fight.
Most likely as soon as people start unlocking class elites it will be unequipped, so no big loss if you just want the regular digital edition.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Cutting out the statue would cut the costs tho. Hell i'd even prefer the Charr plushie over the statue, at least it has more of novelty and fun-factor while being cheaper to manufacture. The materials for those figurines tend to be the expensive part.
Actually I am kinda bummed that the CE doesnt come with the plushie.
Me too actually. I would have rather had the plushie than this statue for $70 less. I for one will not be buying the CE. I just don't see the value. Couldn't care less about the statue.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Been wondering all day, am i the only one shocked about the $150 they are asking for their collectors edition?
And i am even more shocked that there are people willing to pay that for stuff that ends in the trashbin sooner or later.
I think its a good example of a company trying to rip off their loyal fanbase. Following in the footsteps of EA's pricing scheme for the SWTOR boxes is not a good thing.
If they continue down this road, with their itemshop we might be in for a sad and shattered dream.
I am not to upset by the price or the statue. Ripping off their loyal fanbase? I don't think so. That fans (such as myself) that want those items will happly pay for them, those that don't will complain that ArenaNet is trying to rip them off. This priceing scheme is steap which is one of the reasons my wife and I have decided to buy only one CE rather than the two we had planned on.
To me, the best item in the CE is not even part of the description of contents. That would be the metal box with the embosed map of Tyria on it.
I think its a good example of a company trying to rip off their loyal fanbase. Following in the footsteps of EA's pricing scheme for the SWTOR boxes is not a good thing.
If they continue down this road, with their itemshop we might be in for a sad and shattered dream.
I am not to upset by the price or the statue. Ripping off their loyal fanbase? I don't think so. That fans (such as myself) that want those items will happly pay for them, those that don't will complain that ArenaNet is trying to rip them off.
I think it's more the people that do want the items but don't have the money to pay for them are complaining. Or some people just complain to complain. But my entire guild will not be buying the CE because none of us want to pay $80 for a statue none of us care to have.
My only complaint is that I wish they had a version that came with everything but the statue, or a Charr plushie instead of the statue and at a price-point to reflect the change in items.
I think the $150 is exactly what the items they are providing in the CE are worth, so you won't hear anything about being ripped off from me.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Been wondering all day, am i the only one shocked about the $150 they are asking for their collectors edition?
And i am even more shocked that there are people willing to pay that for stuff that ends in the trashbin sooner or later.
I think its a good example of a company trying to rip off their loyal fanbase. Following in the footsteps of EA's pricing scheme for the SWTOR boxes is not a good thing.
If they continue down this road, with their itemshop we might be in for a sad and shattered dream.
Shocked? No. Disappointed yes, but not shocked. You can expect this trend to continue and we'll most likely see a $199 CE in the next 2-3 years.
this will only happen if people keep saying "X price is the standard these days" as an excuse to keep paying for expensive stuff that should be a bit cheaper. But hey, I aint paying for CE in any game because im not a collector so i dont care about CE extra crap. Plus collectors tend to have lots of money.... let "THEM" have it. Im fine with the cheapest version or in some cases the middle one
Shocked? Depends. If the production cost of added items in a CE like a book or statue is several dozens of dollars, then I don't see why they wouldn't raise the price to 150 dollars. If it's just some virtual items and some bonus DVD they're adding, then asking an additional 70-90 dollars is too harsh.
That is also a bonus for the Digital Deluxe edition.
Besides, it's will have a long cooldown and the summon itself will probably only last for 1 fight.
Most likely as soon as people start unlocking class elites it will be unequipped, so no big loss if you just want the regular digital edition.
The thing that concerns me about it is the precedet it can set. I don't mind the other items they get. Hell, I think those willing to put out the extra cash should get the golem bank for use for the life of their account. Just have a lengthy cd on it. I simply don't want something like skills to be an item they want to consider having people spend additional money on. I realize this does not say that they will but does open up the possibility there could be more of those in the future. Going that route to me starts to blur the line between giving perks to those spending more money to possibly giving items that could effect gameplay and overall abilities. It is simply a slippery slope I would prefer them avoid altogether.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I haven't found any information yet on who is making the Rytlock statue, but high quality statues like this usually cost in the $80-150 range, retail. So I would say an extra $90-100 for the statue + everything else you get with the CE isn't a bad deal.
That is, if you want the statue.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
That is also a bonus for the Digital Deluxe edition.
Besides, it's will have a long cooldown and the summon itself will probably only last for 1 fight.
Most likely as soon as people start unlocking class elites it will be unequipped, so no big loss if you just want the regular digital edition.
The thing that concerns me about it is the precedet it can set. I don't mind the other items they get. Hell, I think those willing to put out the extra cash should get the golem bank for use for the life of their account. Just have a lengthy cd on it. I simply don't want something like skills to be an item they want to consider having people spend additional money on. I realize this does not say that they will but does open up the possibility there could be more of those in the future. Going that route to me starts to blur the line between giving perks to those spending more money to possibly giving items that could effect gameplay and overall abilities. It is simply a slippery slope I would prefer them avoid altogether.
It's really not much different than the rewards they gave out in GW1 for GoTY edition and other releases. Summonable pet that's OP at lower level, Hero that starts at level 20 and you can pick him up at 10, and starter weapons that are way better than what you would be able to get for a while in the game.
I would say the CE skill is nothing compared to what they gave in GW1. Also there's all the stuff you can unlock in HoM for GW2 as well. I guarantee none of it will have any major or significant impact on the overall game.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Suprised? Nope. Feel like I'm getting screwed? Nope.
I will tell you what I am suprised about though. EVERY edition of the game getting into the beta. Oh...wait....no I guess I'm not suprised about that either. Since they know people will pre-order whichever edition has that offer then cancel it and buy which edition they really want before launch (or not at all). SO really I'm just happy they are doing me a solid as a consumer and making it easier from the get go.
I would like the art book and the soundtrack CD but the price is a bit much since I don't care for the figurine at all (which is what really drives that price up). So I'll stick with the normal version or maybe the digital deluxe version.
Honestly, if people wanna pay $150 for the CE more power to them. But I will not blame people for wanting the CE. I for one am just getting the standard edition cause even though the statue is cool, I cannot afford to but it and my wife would make me buy her one as well since we both plan on playing.....So 300 bucks plus tax is a no no for me
You realized collector's edition has nothing in the scope of ingame items right? All it has that the other versions don't are a figurine (dust collector), art books (which you can see online), and soundtrack (which will be available on youtube within days). I could understand the upset if it came with ingame items the others didn't, much as I love Anet I'd be wielding pitchforks right alongside you guys.
But they're not. And they didn't include them (they're only in delux edition) because they knew it would annoy people. Not that a 5 day rental turtle and a miniature Rytlock are particularly useful in the first place, but still.
The comparison to EA is laughable. I'd love for the same people throwing stones to create a little list comparing what you get for the collector's to ME3/SWTOR with what you get for GW2 and then show me which is more unfair. The only people that will want to buy GW2 CE are the ones that like things like art, and have to hold it in their hand while the rest of us are content to use it as desktop wallpaper. If that's not you, move along and purchase the standard edition, at the standard price, which *gasp* comes with the same important crap as the other editions do.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Been wondering all day, am i the only one shocked about the $150 they are asking for their collectors edition?
And i am even more shocked that there are people willing to pay that for stuff that ends in the trashbin sooner or later.
I think its a good example of a company trying to rip off their loyal fanbase. Following in the footsteps of EA's pricing scheme for the SWTOR boxes is not a good thing.
If they continue down this road, with their itemshop we might be in for a sad and shattered dream.
Meh...it's the only game i'll be playing and I want to support the devs so I wouldn't mind shelling out $150 for them even if it doesn't quiet worth that amount.
I was kind of bummed when Swtor pulled the same trick and I am really glad I didn't cave in to buying the CE in hindsight, but at least GW2 won't take15 bucks out of your account each month in addition. Still it's kind of abusive .... poor fans :P
Personally I learned my lesson and won't jump on pre-purchase trains no longer. Especially not before a game has endured some solid player scrutiny (i.e. up to and including "end game") and before an NDA drop.
About the NDA Drop,
well the NDA will be drop during Beta Weekends uncluded in pre-orders,
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I wouldnt worry too much about the skill itself, there is already a racial skill in game that does a similar thing called hounds of balthazar i would actually worry if its as good as that one since in that skill you summon 2 of them instead of the single wolf here.
CE price going up. Economy going down. :P
I would have chosen the Physical CE if it wasn't for the figurine. I have all physical CEs for Guild Wars 1, would have liked to continue that tradition as well.
$150 = 6,450 phil pesos = 3 weeks salary. I'll go for a digital deluxe edition.
As others have pointed out, we have choices. What's important is that all 3 versions includes the game many have been waiting to get their hands on!
Playing now: Cities: Skyline / Ori and the Blind Forest / Banished
Areanet Marketing: We should charge 150 bucks for our collectors edition.
Areanet Devs: Why? That seems a bit steep.
Arenanet marketing: EA did it, so can we.
Areanet Devs: Good point!
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Cutting out the statue would cut the costs tho. Hell i'd even prefer the Charr plushie over the statue, at least it has more of novelty and fun-factor while being cheaper to manufacture. The materials for those figurines tend to be the expensive part. Last good value CE I've seen really was Witcher CE, and while the bust wasn't that impressive all the other stuff included was great (card deck, dices, coin, phamplet, stickers, guide, full manual, artbook, map) for 50$ less ...
glad I read your post.. was gonna say that lol
Not really.
That was about what I expected it would be for the CE. The thing that disappoints me is they actually included a master elite skill as a bonus for those that purchase the CE. Frankly, I find that to be incredibly lame.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
In addition to that, every in game bonus they offer as part of either CE is A) so minor as to be virtually insignificant and
temporary.
Really it's a double-edged sword for Anet. If they make the bonuses extremely strong, they risk an early P2W image, an obviously bad precedent from a PR standpoint. If they make the bonuses extremely weak (which I feel they did), they won't be very attractive to potential customers, which may hurt CE sales. I guess they're relying on artwork, music (both of which can be experienced in plenty on the internet--and I mean wallpaper, screenshots and blogs, not pirating) and...um...a statue to entice the hardcore fans. To each his own I suppose.
Actually I am kinda bummed that the CE doesnt come with the plushie.
That is also a bonus for the Digital Deluxe edition.
Besides, it's will have a long cooldown and the summon itself will probably only last for 1 fight.
Most likely as soon as people start unlocking class elites it will be unequipped, so no big loss if you just want the regular digital edition.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Me too actually. I would have rather had the plushie than this statue for $70 less. I for one will not be buying the CE. I just don't see the value. Couldn't care less about the statue.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
I am not to upset by the price or the statue. Ripping off their loyal fanbase? I don't think so. That fans (such as myself) that want those items will happly pay for them, those that don't will complain that ArenaNet is trying to rip them off. This priceing scheme is steap which is one of the reasons my wife and I have decided to buy only one CE rather than the two we had planned on.
To me, the best item in the CE is not even part of the description of contents. That would be the metal box with the embosed map of Tyria on it.
I think it's more the people that do want the items but don't have the money to pay for them are complaining. Or some people just complain to complain. But my entire guild will not be buying the CE because none of us want to pay $80 for a statue none of us care to have.
My only complaint is that I wish they had a version that came with everything but the statue, or a Charr plushie instead of the statue and at a price-point to reflect the change in items.
I think the $150 is exactly what the items they are providing in the CE are worth, so you won't hear anything about being ripped off from me.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
this will only happen if people keep saying "X price is the standard these days" as an excuse to keep paying for expensive stuff that should be a bit cheaper. But hey, I aint paying for CE in any game because im not a collector so i dont care about CE extra crap. Plus collectors tend to have lots of money.... let "THEM" have it. Im fine with the cheapest version or in some cases the middle one
Shocked? Depends. If the production cost of added items in a CE like a book or statue is several dozens of dollars, then I don't see why they wouldn't raise the price to 150 dollars. If it's just some virtual items and some bonus DVD they're adding, then asking an additional 70-90 dollars is too harsh.
The game is F2P what do you expect? for them to make no profit at all? right you really are smart potato
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The thing that concerns me about it is the precedet it can set. I don't mind the other items they get. Hell, I think those willing to put out the extra cash should get the golem bank for use for the life of their account. Just have a lengthy cd on it. I simply don't want something like skills to be an item they want to consider having people spend additional money on. I realize this does not say that they will but does open up the possibility there could be more of those in the future. Going that route to me starts to blur the line between giving perks to those spending more money to possibly giving items that could effect gameplay and overall abilities. It is simply a slippery slope I would prefer them avoid altogether.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I haven't found any information yet on who is making the Rytlock statue, but high quality statues like this usually cost in the $80-150 range, retail. So I would say an extra $90-100 for the statue + everything else you get with the CE isn't a bad deal.
That is, if you want the statue.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
It's really not much different than the rewards they gave out in GW1 for GoTY edition and other releases. Summonable pet that's OP at lower level, Hero that starts at level 20 and you can pick him up at 10, and starter weapons that are way better than what you would be able to get for a while in the game.
I would say the CE skill is nothing compared to what they gave in GW1. Also there's all the stuff you can unlock in HoM for GW2 as well. I guarantee none of it will have any major or significant impact on the overall game.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
it's buy to play. mr. potato.
I've got the straight edge.
Suprised? Nope. Feel like I'm getting screwed? Nope.
I will tell you what I am suprised about though. EVERY edition of the game getting into the beta. Oh...wait....no I guess I'm not suprised about that either. Since they know people will pre-order whichever edition has that offer then cancel it and buy which edition they really want before launch (or not at all). SO really I'm just happy they are doing me a solid as a consumer and making it easier from the get go.
Don't buy it then.
I would like the art book and the soundtrack CD but the price is a bit much since I don't care for the figurine at all (which is what really drives that price up). So I'll stick with the normal version or maybe the digital deluxe version.
Honestly, if people wanna pay $150 for the CE more power to them. But I will not blame people for wanting the CE. I for one am just getting the standard edition cause even though the statue is cool, I cannot afford to but it and my wife would make me buy her one as well since we both plan on playing.....So 300 bucks plus tax is a no no for me
You realized collector's edition has nothing in the scope of ingame items right? All it has that the other versions don't are a figurine (dust collector), art books (which you can see online), and soundtrack (which will be available on youtube within days). I could understand the upset if it came with ingame items the others didn't, much as I love Anet I'd be wielding pitchforks right alongside you guys.
But they're not. And they didn't include them (they're only in delux edition) because they knew it would annoy people. Not that a 5 day rental turtle and a miniature Rytlock are particularly useful in the first place, but still.
The comparison to EA is laughable. I'd love for the same people throwing stones to create a little list comparing what you get for the collector's to ME3/SWTOR with what you get for GW2 and then show me which is more unfair. The only people that will want to buy GW2 CE are the ones that like things like art, and have to hold it in their hand while the rest of us are content to use it as desktop wallpaper. If that's not you, move along and purchase the standard edition, at the standard price, which *gasp* comes with the same important crap as the other editions do.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Meh...it's the only game i'll be playing and I want to support the devs so I wouldn't mind shelling out $150 for them even if it doesn't quiet worth that amount.
Looking forward to EQL and EQN.
About the NDA Drop,
well the NDA will be drop during Beta Weekends uncluded in pre-orders,
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