EQ used to suffer from rollback from time to time, I lost days of play, but surprisingly no one minded because THAT WAS A GREAT GAME!
That was 12 years ago
You would think in all that time, with all the new and better tech, with all the training, experience and lessons learned from other MMOs that someone would have figured out how to patch a game without breaking it.
Seriously its a tired old excuse. If the people in the Industry now are still making the same blunders as were made 12 years ago Id have to take a very close look at these "professionals"
*Actually I take this back to an extent. There have been a few Game Dev companies that havent botched their patches.
Cryptic was always really good with Coh/CoV, not sure how good Paragon is now. Turbine, as I recall during the time I played, never botched a LotRO patch. TRION hasnt botched one yet and they are very new and dont even have as close to a large budget and team as Bioware
There are a few misconceptions here. For one, people think that SWTOR is suspposed to be this magical culmination of what OTHER devs learned, yet it's Bioware's first MMO. In reality, maybe they could learn a tiny bit from other MMOs, but unless they share their tech, some stuff just has to be learned on the fly. When you look at the track record of every Subscription MMO and compare it to SWTOR downtime objectively, the game comes out ahead of competitors... Competitors who make good money.
What if every time a game crashed, people quit? Well, then the industry would be different entirely, but gamers are a spineless lot... still buying Prima guides and launch day DLC.... and forgiving publications that endlessly hype games they know will suck. If gamers grow a spine, the whole industry will change, but that is not going to happen.
All of that said, MMO downtime after a major patch is not only accepted, but expected for every sub MMO out there.
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Im glad it does. But you are avoiding the subject, want to discuss the patch quality considering thats what you are raging about, especially around release? I didnt forget.
Especially when it concerned pvp.
Sure, tell me all about how they deleted guild banks, or broke their PvP.
Tell me about how Trion informed the masses that ranked WZs won't be in 1.2 LITERALLY 3 HOURS before launch so they could retain as many subs as possible.
Tell me about how a patch that fixes 1 bug cascaded into an 8+ hours emergency patch.
I'm DYING to hear this
Good lord you didnt pvp before hammerknell was released eh. Oh god lol, talk about a roalercoasterride, first sabotours, then the mage turret 1 shotting anyone and everything. Im amused.
I admit when they finally implimented the Guildbank it was done decent, I dont recall any issues with it after it was added.
I agree it wasnt their best move to inform people so late about not adding the ranked WZ, then again judging by the issues they having now I can definately see it was better they didnt.
Oh ironic enough the 1.1 patch and 1.2 patch for rift had alot.. extra downtime, they did shape up though.
But to make things funnier, this is pretty much about how I felt about Bioware/EA/Lucasart , regardless of the fact I did find some entertainment in tht game.. for a while.
Alot of extra down time? yeah the down time was longer than regular weekly downtime but that is pretty standard. I certainly don't remember any emergency downtime after the patches had gone out. I also don't remember a rollercoster ride for pvp, yeah nerfing sabs and other adjustments that are unfortunately the norm for balancing pvp in any game but a rollercoster ride? nice hyperbole. Also keep in mind that their first major batch didn't come 4 months after release, it came 1 month after. Trion doesn't walk on water but they do a very good, very professional job. If you are going to try to make comparisons you would probably do well to leave Trion out of it because they simply, and consistently do a much better job than anyone else in their delivery regardless of what you think about their actual game.
You may want to look at the big picture instead of framing your post like SWTOR is huring EA's stock prices. Look at their stock over the last 5 years. The stock prices dropped majorly in late 2008 and hasn't recovered since then.
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Bioware has now become the laughing stock in the mmorpg world. Back in the day they might have had their shit together, but now they flat out suck. They outsourced so much in the building of TOR, they can't even release a patch that's been on test servers for some time without it failing. A failed game is just a failed game. You build something/anything with a weak foundation and everything else that follows is pure fail.
EQ used to suffer from rollback from time to time, I lost days of play, but surprisingly no one minded because THAT WAS A GREAT GAME!
That was 12 years ago
You would think in all that time, with all the new and better tech, with all the training, experience and lessons learned from other MMOs that someone would have figured out how to patch a game without breaking it.
Seriously its a tired old excuse. If the people in the Industry now are still making the same blunders as were made 12 years ago Id have to take a very close look at these "professionals"
*Actually I take this back to an extent. There have been a few Game Dev companies that havent botched their patches.
Cryptic was always really good with Coh/CoV, not sure how good Paragon is now. Turbine, as I recall during the time I played, never botched a LotRO patch. TRION hasnt botched one yet and they are very new and dont even have as close to a large budget and team as Bioware
There are a few misconceptions here. For one, people think that SWTOR is suspposed to be this magical culmination of what OTHER devs learned, yet it's Bioware's first MMO. In reality, maybe they could learn a tiny bit from other MMOs, but unless they share their tech, some stuff just has to be learned on the fly. When you look at the track record of every Subscription MMO and compare it to SWTOR downtime objectively, the game comes out ahead of competitors... Competitors who make good money.
What if every time a game crashed, people quit? Well, then the industry would be different entirely, but gamers are a spineless lot... still buying Prima guides and launch day DLC.... and forgiving publications that endlessly hype games they know will suck. If gamers grow a spine, the whole industry will change, but that is not going to happen.
All of that said, MMO downtime after a major patch is not only accepted, but expected for every sub MMO out there.
I'd say hopelessly optimistic as opposed to 'spineless'. I've gone from one new game to the next over the years, always hoping this would be 'the one'. I can't think of many I haven't tried. Even with the advent of the themepark mmos i'm still hopeful one will have enough sandbox content for me to relive UO. That's what I don't understand, how can a game I played 15 years ago still be the best I played? Maybe it really is the holy grail and mmos are pretty much a dead genre. Maybe I should just stick to single player RPGs. Having said that, Rift is the closest i've got recently to consistent enjoyment. It's not perfect, but it'll do for now.
Bioware has now become the laughing stock in the mmorpg world. Back in the day they might have had their shit together, but now they flat out suck. They outsourced so much in the building of TOR, they can't even release a patch that's been on test servers for some time without it failing. A failed game is just a failed game. You build something/anything with a weak foundation and everything else that follows is pure fail.
WoW did this for years, yet it suceeded. If Bioware gets their act together, learns from these mistakes, and gets the game to a state where game population starts to rise dramactically, will you change your tune and give them the praise they would deserve? I think you know which result I would bet on....
Bioware has now become the laughing stock in the mmorpg world. Back in the day they might have had their shit together, but now they flat out suck. They outsourced so much in the building of TOR, they can't even release a patch that's been on test servers for some time without it failing. A failed game is just a failed game. You build something/anything with a weak foundation and everything else that follows is pure fail.
WoW did this for years, yet it suceeded. If Bioware gets their act together, learns from these mistakes, and gets the game to a state where game population starts to rise dramactically, will you change your tune and give them the praise they would deserve? I think you know which result I would bet on....
If they do that then I for one will praise them, but SWTOR is dead on the vine now, it will settle to be a niche product and end up as an overall loss for EA
Big Effing deal nobody is perfect. They fixing the issue and this is why we cant have any good games now a days because gamers of this era is so darn critical its plain retard. If its not one thing its another people just sit back enjoy the game its not real life.
There are a few misconceptions here. For one, people think that SWTOR is suspposed to be this magical culmination of what OTHER devs learned, yet it's Bioware's first MMO. In reality, maybe they could learn a tiny bit from other MMOs, but unless they share their tech, some stuff just has to be learned on the fly. When you look at the track record of every Subscription MMO and compare it to SWTOR downtime objectively, the game comes out ahead of competitors... Competitors who make good money.
What if every time a game crashed, people quit? Well, then the industry would be different entirely, but gamers are a spineless lot... still buying Prima guides and launch day DLC.... and forgiving publications that endlessly hype games they know will suck. If gamers grow a spine, the whole industry will change, but that is not going to happen.
All of that said, MMO downtime after a major patch is not only accepted, but expected for every sub MMO out there.
Oh for FUCK SAKE.
There's nothing "magical" about learning from other peoples mistakes.
"Hurrr, when a company does that, people don't like it!"
MAGIC!
MMOs played: WoW, Star Wars Galaxies, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Guild Wars, Planetside, Global Agenda, Star Trek Online, RIFT, Everquest 2, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, EvE online, APB Best MMO Companies: Trion Worlds, ArenaNet, CCP Worst MMO Companies: Electronic Arts
Same thing happened to EQ1 when it was young.. That downtime was over 24 hours and some folks cried game over then.
Opions are like assholes - everyone has one and most of them stink.
Cry default and game is done and all that other crap..
I recall reading how Tera was going to be the next big thing.. Now the focus has shifted to GW2.. Another game, another cycle of hype then complaints...
Big Effing deal nobody is perfect. They fixing the issue and this is why we cant have any good games now a days because gamers of this era is so darn critical its plain retard. If its not one thing its another people just sit back enjoy the game its not real life.
We don't have any good games thesedays because people like you have such low expectations and put up with crap like this. Sit back and take it? What a joke. You might be happy with rubbish but I work hard for my money and I want to spend it on decent stuff.
1.2 Did NOT cause this issue, it was whatever happend in the maintenance patch last night. 1.2 launched flawlessly.
People seriously need to chill the hell out and go live their lives instead of screaming over a game being down for maintenance. People are seriously so intolerant for no reason at all, this has happend before in both WoW and LOTRO.
Same thing happened to EQ1 when it was young.. That downtime was over 24 hours and some folks cried game over then.
That was 12 years ago. Youre telling me in all this time Devs still cant patch games without breaking them?
Glad the Bioware "Doctors" are my GP. After 12 years of "practice" they would probably still break off the catheter
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
BIOWARE has contracted with "Reputation Defender Inc" so that they can patrol SWTOR forums and flame any paying customers who complain about anything.
Too bad Bioware didnt contract better programmers for SWTOR, because after 50 levels I can honestly say its suxor.
They cannot even roll out a game update without hosing it up, nor can they perform a server roll back without hosing that up either.
Frankly, most MMOs make poor games and cannot stand up against great single player, coop, or regular multiplayer games like Skyrim, Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 1,2,3, Oblivion, Morrowind, Legends of Grimrock, Two Worlds II, etc etc etc.
I hope Guild Wars 2 does very very well, just to prove you do not need to pay a subscription or have F2P with limited features unles you subscribe or pay out even more money.
No wonder so many old games (MW, Obliv, DO, just keep going strong or even redone old school games like Legend of Grimrock do so well.
Same thing happened to EQ1 when it was young.. That downtime was over 24 hours and some folks cried game over then.
So what? A good game can survive it, a bad game can't. EQ came through it because it was quality gameplay, ToR won't.
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You don't like it so it's bad for all...
The amount of players in fleet on a dialy basis out numbers the amout of actually negative posters on thier forums - (small group multi posting and complaining about the game) so your comment that the game is lacking quality is mute.
People can cry all they want and cry Unsub Unsub and yada yada yada.. The fact is, most whiners are still there playing.
Players can post unless they are paying. If they are paying just to post negative stuff?? Then they are bigger morons than I thought..
Same thing happened to EQ1 when it was young.. That downtime was over 24 hours and some folks cried game over then.
So what? A good game can survive it, a bad game can't. EQ came through it because it was quality gameplay, ToR won't.
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You don't like it so it's bad for all...
The amount of players in fleet on a dialy basis out numbers the amout of actually negative posters on thier forums - (small group multi posting and complaining about the game) so your comment that the game is lacking quality is mute.
People can cry all they want and cry Unsub Unsub and yada yada yada.. The fact is, most whiners are still there playing.
Players can post unless they are paying. If they are paying just to post negative stuff?? Then they are bigger morons than I thought..
What's your fix for this problem of negative posting?
Same thing happened to EQ1 when it was young.. That downtime was over 24 hours and some folks cried game over then.
That was 12 years ago. Youre telling me in all this time Devs still cant patch games without breaking them?
Glad the Bioware "Doctors" are my GP. After 12 years of "practice" they would probably still break off the catheter
It happened to EQ1 12 years ago, it will happen to something next year, and just about any other year. Part of the price playing something that has updates and content changes. Simple solution to folks who don't like it. Unsub, play console or single player games.
Ranting and raving in a forum does nothing to make it better for those crying. Having a basic understanding of risk factors in changing anythign software related helps the process of waiting while things are being fixed.
Then again, some people these days are just to plain stupid and selfish to think rationally.
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There are a few misconceptions here. For one, people think that SWTOR is suspposed to be this magical culmination of what OTHER devs learned, yet it's Bioware's first MMO. In reality, maybe they could learn a tiny bit from other MMOs, but unless they share their tech, some stuff just has to be learned on the fly. When you look at the track record of every Subscription MMO and compare it to SWTOR downtime objectively, the game comes out ahead of competitors... Competitors who make good money.
What if every time a game crashed, people quit? Well, then the industry would be different entirely, but gamers are a spineless lot... still buying Prima guides and launch day DLC.... and forgiving publications that endlessly hype games they know will suck. If gamers grow a spine, the whole industry will change, but that is not going to happen.
All of that said, MMO downtime after a major patch is not only accepted, but expected for every sub MMO out there.
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When has an MMO ever been "done" when released? By nature aren't they never "done"?
Alot of extra down time? yeah the down time was longer than regular weekly downtime but that is pretty standard. I certainly don't remember any emergency downtime after the patches had gone out. I also don't remember a rollercoster ride for pvp, yeah nerfing sabs and other adjustments that are unfortunately the norm for balancing pvp in any game but a rollercoster ride? nice hyperbole. Also keep in mind that their first major batch didn't come 4 months after release, it came 1 month after. Trion doesn't walk on water but they do a very good, very professional job. If you are going to try to make comparisons you would probably do well to leave Trion out of it because they simply, and consistently do a much better job than anyone else in their delivery regardless of what you think about their actual game.
All die, so die well.
Trion still charging subscription after people canceled their acounts. No I know what it means.
You may want to look at the big picture instead of framing your post like SWTOR is huring EA's stock prices. Look at their stock over the last 5 years. The stock prices dropped majorly in late 2008 and hasn't recovered since then.
Weather you like thie games or not, Trion, as a company, has earned the respect of even it's strongest critics. EA/BW...........not so much.
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Can it get worse.
Bioware has now become the laughing stock in the mmorpg world. Back in the day they might have had their shit together, but now they flat out suck. They outsourced so much in the building of TOR, they can't even release a patch that's been on test servers for some time without it failing. A failed game is just a failed game. You build something/anything with a weak foundation and everything else that follows is pure fail.
I'd say hopelessly optimistic as opposed to 'spineless'. I've gone from one new game to the next over the years, always hoping this would be 'the one'. I can't think of many I haven't tried. Even with the advent of the themepark mmos i'm still hopeful one will have enough sandbox content for me to relive UO. That's what I don't understand, how can a game I played 15 years ago still be the best I played? Maybe it really is the holy grail and mmos are pretty much a dead genre. Maybe I should just stick to single player RPGs. Having said that, Rift is the closest i've got recently to consistent enjoyment. It's not perfect, but it'll do for now.
WoW did this for years, yet it suceeded. If Bioware gets their act together, learns from these mistakes, and gets the game to a state where game population starts to rise dramactically, will you change your tune and give them the praise they would deserve? I think you know which result I would bet on....
WoW did this for years, yet it suceeded. If Bioware gets their act together, learns from these mistakes, and gets the game to a state where game population starts to rise dramactically, will you change your tune and give them the praise they would deserve? I think you know which result I would bet on....
If they do that then I for one will praise them, but SWTOR is dead on the vine now, it will settle to be a niche product and end up as an overall loss for EABig Effing deal nobody is perfect. They fixing the issue and this is why we cant have any good games now a days because gamers of this era is so darn critical its plain retard. If its not one thing its another people just sit back enjoy the game its not real life.
Oh for FUCK SAKE.
There's nothing "magical" about learning from other peoples mistakes.
"Hurrr, when a company does that, people don't like it!"
MAGIC!
MMOs played: WoW, Star Wars Galaxies, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Guild Wars, Planetside, Global Agenda, Star Trek Online, RIFT, Everquest 2, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, EvE online, APB
Best MMO Companies: Trion Worlds, ArenaNet, CCP
Worst MMO Companies: Electronic Arts
Same thing happened to EQ1 when it was young.. That downtime was over 24 hours and some folks cried game over then.
Opions are like assholes - everyone has one and most of them stink.
Cry default and game is done and all that other crap..
I recall reading how Tera was going to be the next big thing.. Now the focus has shifted to GW2.. Another game, another cycle of hype then complaints...
We don't have any good games thesedays because people like you have such low expectations and put up with crap like this. Sit back and take it? What a joke. You might be happy with rubbish but I work hard for my money and I want to spend it on decent stuff.
1.2 Did NOT cause this issue, it was whatever happend in the maintenance patch last night. 1.2 launched flawlessly.
People seriously need to chill the hell out and go live their lives instead of screaming over a game being down for maintenance. People are seriously so intolerant for no reason at all, this has happend before in both WoW and LOTRO.
So what? A good game can survive it, a bad game can't. EQ came through it because it was quality gameplay, ToR won't.
That was 12 years ago. Youre telling me in all this time Devs still cant patch games without breaking them?
Glad the Bioware "Doctors" are my GP. After 12 years of "practice" they would probably still break off the catheter
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
This has happend in several major games before when they are new. Big deal, it's part of a week day anyway
BIOWARE has contracted with "Reputation Defender Inc" so that they can patrol SWTOR forums and flame any paying customers who complain about anything.
Too bad Bioware didnt contract better programmers for SWTOR, because after 50 levels I can honestly say its suxor.
They cannot even roll out a game update without hosing it up, nor can they perform a server roll back without hosing that up either.
Frankly, most MMOs make poor games and cannot stand up against great single player, coop, or regular multiplayer games like Skyrim, Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 1,2,3, Oblivion, Morrowind, Legends of Grimrock, Two Worlds II, etc etc etc.
I hope Guild Wars 2 does very very well, just to prove you do not need to pay a subscription or have F2P with limited features unles you subscribe or pay out even more money.
No wonder so many old games (MW, Obliv, DO, just keep going strong or even redone old school games like Legend of Grimrock do so well.
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You don't like it so it's bad for all...
The amount of players in fleet on a dialy basis out numbers the amout of actually negative posters on thier forums - (small group multi posting and complaining about the game) so your comment that the game is lacking quality is mute.
People can cry all they want and cry Unsub Unsub and yada yada yada.. The fact is, most whiners are still there playing.
Players can post unless they are paying. If they are paying just to post negative stuff?? Then they are bigger morons than I thought..
I also recall some heavy down time when Blizzard implemented WoW patch 3.0 to prepare of WotLK
What's your fix for this problem of negative posting?
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It happened to EQ1 12 years ago, it will happen to something next year, and just about any other year. Part of the price playing something that has updates and content changes. Simple solution to folks who don't like it. Unsub, play console or single player games.
Ranting and raving in a forum does nothing to make it better for those crying. Having a basic understanding of risk factors in changing anythign software related helps the process of waiting while things are being fixed.
Then again, some people these days are just to plain stupid and selfish to think rationally.