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Why I wont be getting Diablo 3
BribarianI
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I know that inevitably this thread will get trolled down and flamed, and I'm going to do my best to not attack other players here. I'm not trying to be a killjoy here for people looking forward to it. I'm just somewhat disappointed in the direction blizzard has taken the series.
I was a huge fan of diablo and diablo 2. I would wait all day in class just so I could get home and play. I remember how much fun the magicfinding was in D2. I could spend hours whirlwinding through mobs hoping to get that exciting unique. Diablo 2 was my motivation to get a cable internet going. I loved that game so much. However for me a big part of the game was the PvP and the hostile environment diablo created.
What I have seen so far within Diablo 3 is a letdown.
They think a real money auction house is going to be good for the game? This is a clearcut cashgrab and just spits in the face of the past blizzard games. Oh blizzard will be taking 15% of every auction, have fun with that one. This is one of the main reasons I'll be steering away from it, inevitably when real money gets injected into a game it becomes a pay to win crash. I'm somewhat in disbelief that some people are supporting it, when you now have a game, that isnt a game anymore, it is a pay to win stage.
No hostile? Pking. No pking ? Are you kidding me? That is what made the game exciting for many other players. An entire community was built around pking, anti-pking. It was a huge part of the diablo series. I mean nobody liked getting pked, but everyone liked pking. At the end of the day tho, this was a major part of the Diablo series. Blizzard has chosen very poorly here.
While I dont mind arena-style pvp, most would agree with me that it tends to get somewhat predictable and boring after awhile. How many times can you go druid/warrior vs. holy paladin/dk and not start see what's coming next. But it is more of a catering to the carebear type of player. That player that wants to play a multiplayer game, but wants everything within it restricted, spoonfed to him. He does not want to be inconvenienced in any way, so you end up with a very boring and predictable environment.
I havent seen much of the rest of the game, simply because I'm just not all that interested in it.
If you're already playing World of Warcraft, what is Diablo 3 going to offer that WoW doesnt already besides a shiney new stage?
I think essentially what Diablo 3 will become is nothing more than a Gauntlet on steroids. A coop game that wont have the replay value of the originals. But I think that's enough for some.
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I totally agree with your post !!
I want to try to develop as wel some really alarming developpement , not yet developped tho, because the game is not out yet.
But still it is easy to see where it is going to go.
But first, Blizzard state :
We’ve always tailored our business models to match what we’ve felt would be most appropriate and effective for each game and in each region, and that’s the case with Diablo III as well. The item-based nature of Diablo gameplay has always lent itself to an active trade-based ecosystem, and a significant part of this trade has been conducted through unsecure third-party organizations. This has led to numerous customer-service and game-experience issues that we’ve needed to account for. Our primary goal with the Diablo III auction house system is for it to serve as the foundation for a player-driven economy that’s safe, fun, and accessible for everyone .
Which is what the blizzard Public relation team came up with to go public, because this comment is only being created to ease the mind of the sceptical. (because blizzard put it very deep this time)
The bold truth is that all goldfarming activities took place in blizzard games. Without Blizzard getting money out of it , and that couldn't go on as they think without them getting paid.
Stating that it is for safety and fun is utterly bullshiitt.
In their game environement their wil only be more gold farmer trying to get a liitle penny from those western player meanwhile a soort of slaver will make those sorry ass chinese work 16 hours straight to get that item that you player might buy for $9,99.
To get this item at this price their will have teams of enslave people working around the clock in terrible condition to get to this very loot.
The worst is that the account selling the item is not from the players farming but from some rather rich chinese ganster that spit on those stupid western "customers" and he should.
And blizzard is just creating an opportunity for the company to get extra revenu while doing nothing but having created a market place with demands and offerts. ( are they so clever or is the public so stupid ?)
I beieve in sharing rather than owning something, in game you cannot own anything since it is and will stay the property of the game company, so would you buy an epic sword, unbelievably epic while having paid for it and having it in your inventory and still owning a sword that will never be yours. (and again how it might be farmed as wel )
I think nowadays banks are just doing that and everybody suffer from it. And yet it all goes on, and on, and on ......
Diablow 3, it sucks ...
Prior to Diablo 2's release I was really looking forward to the PvP, but once I actually played the game I discovered how dumb it really was. So I don't see it as a huge loss at all not to have PvP at launch in Diablo 3.
Gotta agree with you on RMAH being bad for a variety of reasons. But not enough to stop me from getting the game.
What some seem unable to graps is....... Items on the RMAH do not appear out of thin air, a player needs to find them, the item(s) would have been used by someone - be it the person who found it or the person who traded it for real money on the auction house, If you run into someone with gear he bought what is the difference to running into the person who found it? or a person who traded it for ingame gold? or a person who was given it by a friend? there was still just one of that item that was traded in some fashion.
The RMAH is not an NPC vender with infinate top teir gear for sale, its the ultimate player driven market place.
In D2 people traded items for real money outside the game... there is no difference here cept for those who want to partake in the RMHA can now in a safe place, and blizzard take a small percentage (not as high as 15%) for providing this safe market place.
There is still a fully featured ingame gold auction house that will be just as busy as the real money one as there will be people who dont want to use the RMAH but still want to trade their unwanted items... such as me,
Arena based PvP is for people who like competitive PvP. Don't see how that's carebear. Arenas in Diablo 3 will be nothing like arenas in WoW.
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why do people insist that RMAH is pay2win. You dont have to use it!!
oh and about pvp, they have already said they will be adding it at somepoint
The RMAT is not simply a cash grab. It is a way to try and get rid of d2jsp. I'm reserving judgement until I see it in action.
My biggest gripe with D2 was that it was so hard to trade items unless you had something everyone wanted. I don't plan on buying anything until after I've sold stuff.
Playing this until Torchlight II releases. I agree with alot of what you mention. I personally will not be using the RMAH. Also the rune system is not that appealing because it takes away from the whole idea of finding stuff in a loot game. Alot of the runes aren't even that good.
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Umm would you like to read that statement? So if I go out and spend money to buy the best weapon currently available in the game, I didn't pay to win because other people didn't bother with it? Or is it that it's only pay to win if you did buy it, but nobody else is allowed to say so because they didn't buy it?
Im going to play beta before I decide. Just like I did with Tera. Within the first few hours Im sure Ill figure out if this tastes right. Though Ive seen alot of negative posts about how theyre removing everything from Diablo3
Yeah i don't understand the business sense here..
They have a massive built in customer base because of what the series has offered previously.
But they go against that for more audience appeal?
I would of thought most people that would buy it would be in the first group and/or taken an interest in the previous titles 0.o
Can completely understand the RTM auction house though. its the "in thing" now and its very profitable.
Bottom line for me, I played D2, But i don't have any "loyalty" to it. so im just gona use the RTM AH to make some quick cash if i can.
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THIS!! A thousand times THIS!! I don't see why the concept is so hard to grasp for some people. Blizzard is conceding defeat to the gold farmers and legitimizing RMT so they can get their cut of it. It has nothing to do with player account safety, nothing at all. All they have to do now is sit back and collect 15% while doing absolutely NOTHING. Wake up, people.
ppl just want to piss and whinne about D3 cuz its not what D2 was.. personally i think its better. and will be buying it over Tera for the month of may...
and about the RMAH ....if u wont liek it dont use it dtop whinning liek a lil spoiled brat and take yer thumb out yer @$$. seriously....
and pvp...well if u want pvp go play freaking mortal or darkfall....atleast there its real pvp where u lose yer stuff...or is that too hardcore pvp for u? "i worked so hard for all my stuff now its gone WAA BOO HOO!!!" what do u think theifs do in real life? kill u and steal yer shiat... Diablo to me is not about PvP...and if it is to you your in the wrong game bud....
We can totally ignore that part of the game if we wish I thought anyway, right?
I don't think you can completely avoid it.
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I understand where you're coming from. However, I honestly felt that PvP, didn't work well in Diablo 2 imo. It was terribly unbalanced. I don't think it'll work that well in D3 either. Also with the RMAH, it'll be P2W to a degree. People willing to pump in money will most likely have faster access to items which will make them more competitive faster over someone who has to farm out items and gold themselves. If they make gear equal in PvP, it would be better imo. However, I doubt that'll happen. I also believe that those using the RMAH will end up killing their enjoyment of the game far earlier than someone who doesn't use it.
"For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed:
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!"
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I reread the statement 15 times, its exactly what I said. You can farm everything in game yourself, find some friends, do some trading without the RMAH. Pay 2 win means you have to buy stuff from a company because without it you would be at a disadvantage, ie items only available thru the stores, permanent stat stuff, even temporary buffs, those all make you stronger.
There is nothing in D3 that you cant get by farming, therefore RMAH isnt pay2win, exactly same as D2
as for my history, I sold 14 items for cash in D2, and only got paid for 11 of em, cause of the shady 3rd party sites, as for the 15% that Blizzard gets, who cares, you might make a little cash for a sale for a virtual item, personally I plan on using the RMAH some to sell, but will only buy if I make cash into my account off selling
Pay 2 Win means you can buy the stuff to put you at an advantage to the people that don't buy. EXACTLY like RMAH. Trying to blur the perception of it is pointless.
It's the very definition of P2W. People spend real money to buy the best gear available. How is this not P2W? Just because the bulk of the money you pay is being pocketed by another player (or gold farmer), doesn't change the basic mechanic: cash for premium gear.
Now if you don't care about that, that's cool. It doesn't bother me much either. I don't really care if people want to spend money to speed their way through the game. What irks me is that stuff is no longer going to be available for trade *within* the game. Anybody who chooses not to spend real money will be totally dependant on lucky drops because the in-game auction house will have nothing but trash in it.
Starting to see why calling the RMT shop "optional" is a little disingenuous? If you want to be able to trade up for something really good, you're going to have to spend money on it. That, or play the drop lottery for possibly weeks and months. Hell, you may never see what you want, drop for you, and you'll have no other *in-game* avenues to obtain it. Blizzard could have done a really great thing by adding the AH into the game and left it totally in the game. Instead, they turned it into another way squeeze money from their players.
It's an insidious system that sets the stage for even more invasive monetization schemes. And only Blizzard could have got away with it because their fans are hardpressed to look at anything they do with a critical eye. Just imagine the outcry if a developer like Mythic tried this. I'd bet the negatives would become far clearer to most of the community then.
There have always been people paying money for Diablo items and power levleing. The only thing blizzard has done is to take this of ebay and gold seller sites and providfe a safe and sucure place for people to conduct this practice. Enough said move along.
Path of exile owns diablo 3 and gues what its f2p
After trying out the open Beta I was right not to get excited about this game and wont be buying it. What have Blizzard been doing the past number of years? what a terrible dissapointment after the previous Diablos.
They should have just kept making expansions for Diablo 2
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I didn't realize PvP in Diablo 2 was anything more than something to do when EXTREMELY bored, and very rarely ever crossed my mind. Not to mention that the only times I've ever done it was against players that cheated, or against Necro's that lagged the game to the point I could do nothing with all the pets anyway.
I can't even imagine how it was a big part of the game for anyone, seeing how unbalanced and crappy it was. But I guess some people will find fun in anything.
As for the rest, I personally am taking a wait-and-see approach, but I honestly think your worries are unfounded and purely paranoia at this point.
The one thing I don't like about the game without playing it is the required internet connection. But that won't bug me too much as long as I can afford the internet.
A major part of Diablo series?
What I have seen from the game is ok, but its not worth the 60€ for me because of the simplistic skillsystem. The game will sell very well nonetheless.