Yeah it cracks me up to no end that people will buy lifetime subs without even playing a game first......I cant imagine how pissed off I would have been had I done that with this game.
I can't believe anyone would fall for that quick cash grab known as a lifetime sub to begin with. How many games that offered lifetime sub are not F2P?
True, what amazes me more though is all the people who have never gone with a life time sub in thier entire life, who feel they have any ground to stand on when talking about people who have.
I have purchased two LTS in the past, and have been ever thankful since for both. Yes, they may have gone F2P since then, and now I get perks like no other as a result of my LTS too. You, and those like you, can sit by and watch as others enjoy everything they get from the LTS they purchased. But please, until you are in that crowd, how about you stop talking about them. You are no better than them, so stop thinking you are. I sure dont see anyone here talking bad about you because you are too cheap or too unenlightened to get a LTS to a game, especially one you enjoy playing, or have played with great pleasure for years. So take a queue from them please.
As for the LTS for this game, I might, I'm still thinking on it personally. The unknowns in this game are the things I need to make up my mind. So far I am really enjoying the fact that the instant gratification crowd will most likely not like this game and stay away. That is a huge plus in my book. But the crafting and PvP side is still a mystery to me, and thats what I need for my choice. You see how that works?? Logical evaluation, studying and making informed choices, thats how you should decide on if a LTS in a game is for you or not. Making childish remarks based off your own ingnorance, without even trying to see if it is of value to you or not...well thats not what anyone should be doing if you ask me. Just my opinion anyway.
I played for about eight hours and enjoyed it, but I'm going to wait and see. Game is a little too rough around the edges and incomplete for me so maybe a few months after launch I'll check back.
Yeah it cracks me up to no end that people will buy lifetime subs without even playing a game first......I cant imagine how pissed off I would have been had I done that with this game.
I can't believe anyone would fall for that quick cash grab known as a lifetime sub to begin with. How many games that offered lifetime sub are not F2P?
True, what amazes me more though is all the people who have never gone with a life time sub in thier entire life, who feel they have any ground to stand on when talking about people who have.
I have purchased two LTS in the past, and have been ever thankful since for both. Yes, they may have gone F2P since then, and now I get perks like no other as a result of my LTS too. You, and those like you, can sit by and watch as others enjoy everything they get from the LTS they purchased. But please, until you are in that crowd, how about you stop talking about them. You are no better than them, so stop thinking you are. I sure dont see anyone here talking bad about you because you are too cheap or too unenlightened to get a LTS to a game, especially one you enjoy playing, or have played with great pleasure for years. So take a queue from them please.
As for the LTS for this game, I might, I'm still thinking on it personally. The unknowns in this game are the things I need to make up my mind. So far I am really enjoying the fact that the instant gratification crowd will most likely not like this game and stay away. That is a huge plus in my book. But the crafting and PvP side is still a mystery to me, and thats what I need for my choice. You see how that works?? Logical evaluation, studying and making informed choices, thats how you should decide on if a LTS in a game is for you or not. Making childish remarks based off your own ingnorance, without even trying to see if it is of value to you or not...well thats not what anyone should be doing if you ask me. Just my opinion anyway.
I would also like to add that a couple hundred dollars might not be all that much to some people. If your the type who sticks with a game for years, or want the ability to pop in and out of the game without having to spend $15 each time you do...LTS might make sense to you.
Im not one who considers a LTS, i bounce around a lot and my mood as to what i want in a game changes with the wind, while other times i stay for years, some times on and off ect.
Given the companies track record on mmorpgs....LTS might look diffrent considering they dont shut down their games and have games that have been running since 2001...an none of their games have gone 100% f2p they always save expansion content and top tier end game for subs. Looking at it from this point of view, and if your a gamer who doesnt get sick of games or burn out on them LTS might make more sense than if you typically play 80hrs a week race to endgame then move on to the next one and never come back ect.
The one thing thats for sure is that a LTS pre launch is always a gamble...but again...a couple hundred dollars might not be a whole lot to some.
I have the game pre-ordered. At this point i don't regret it.
Good as expected:
- Amazing story, art design and writing. If these guys had designed and written TOR, maybe it woudln't have been such a POS.
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SWTOR had much better writers and more of them as that is a huge composition of bioware's staff. The stories were for class, planet, instance were developed by bioware, I played a jedi consular, supposedly the worst class story, yet the writing was well done. Levels 1-48 in Tor are more polished than anything is just some EA employee got control of the level 48-50 content. We both know a year from now SWTOR will have way more players than TSW, I don't play SWTOR due to end game issues and to many servers but I recognize good writting and it seems like you are the only person on the internet to ever say the writing was bad. They were the same writers from KOTOR, RPGs that are more well known than whatever these writers have done.
The writers for ToR were the same as the guys for AoC and after six hours or so it seems there is a lot of randomness to it. This is the most polished area in the entire game most likely so I doubt it will have quality or quantity content to keep players. I'm sure some will stay but I expect future development to be slow as opposed to SWTOR where EA just double downed on resourses.
Just remember beta weekend it like Tortage. what is after?
Originally posted by Theocritus Yeah it cracks me up to no end that people will buy lifetime subs without even playing a game first......I cant imagine how pissed off I would have been had I done that with this game.
I can't believe anyone would fall for that quick cash grab known as a lifetime sub to begin with. How many games that offered lifetime sub are not F2P?
Ummm..... aren't all of them f2p now? (Not sure if you meant not or now)
I played for about eight hours and enjoyed it, but I'm going to wait and see. Game is a little too rough around the edges and incomplete for me so maybe a few months after launch I'll check back.
Yea I'm about in the same boat but I did pre-order from Funcom direct and I think I'll hold onto the game. I won't be buying the upgraded version or the lifetime sub at this point however.
The game has the promise of being something really cool but it's execution is a little weak at this point. I'm not just talking about minor annoying bugs like quests that can't be completed either their are big issues in this game that won't be able to be fixed until after launch.
I missed a "Going to buy it now that I've tried it" option.
There are issues, that are all managable tbh.. but the whole theme is so alien to this genre that its a breath of fresh air in my opinion. The immersion is one it's best features... there's a lot of story, visuals and charcter progression to sink your teeth into. Animations, quest log system.. meh, all will be fixed. They arn't game breaking.
the only mmo that wil lbring immersion in this modern world is world of darkness
tsw fails in every single aspect
just few good investigation quest the rest is deja vu
definately keeping...cant remember the last time i played a game that made me think.that goes for any game..still needs work,but i have to say i didnt get a lagfest like i did with conan..thought so far the game has been very smooth.came across occasional bug but nothing game breaking yet,so i,m a happy bunny.
True, what amazes me more though is all the people who have never gone with a life time sub in thier entire life, who feel they have any ground to stand on when talking about people who have.
What exactly amazes you about this? Why would I or anyone else need to be scammed by the quick cash grab of a LTS to know it is a scam? Why do I have to waste my money when there are plenty of people like you for me to learn from? A wise man learns from other peoples mistakes, a fool learns from his own.
I have purchased two LTS in the past, and have been ever thankful since for both. Yes, they may have gone F2P since then, and now I get perks like no other as a result of my LTS too.
Are those "perks" what you signed up for? Did you pay for the LTS knowing your game was going to go f2P? No you got mislead and now you just have to be thankful you get anything from the money you spent. Those "perks" are just to shut you up and hope you never see that you got taken.
You, and those like you, can sit by and watch as others enjoy everything they get from the LTS they purchased. But please, until you are in that crowd, how about you stop talking about them. You are no better than them, so stop thinking you are. I sure dont see anyone here talking bad about you because you are too cheap or too unenlightened to get a LTS to a game, especially one you enjoy playing, or have played with great pleasure for years. So take a queue from them please.
I am really suprised someone like you who has been taken for a ride with the LTS not once but twice could have the balls to use the word unenlightened. As the saying goes a fool and his money are soon parted. Ask yourself this question...why didn't Blizz ever offer a lifetime sub? The most popular MMO of all time has never offered one. Why is that? The answer is fairly simple. There is no long term money to be made in offering one. It is a quick cash grab to help boost your intial sales. It is a pretty dirty trick that people will fall for because they are blinded by their own hype of the game. LTS always equals f2p. They will take your money and at some point down the road it will go f2P and you will tell yourself that its great because you get some "perks".
As for the LTS for this game, I might, I'm still thinking on it personally. The unknowns in this game are the things I need to make up my mind. So far I am really enjoying the fact that the instant gratification crowd will most likely not like this game and stay away. That is a huge plus in my book. But the crafting and PvP side is still a mystery to me, and thats what I need for my choice. You see how that works?? Logical evaluation, studying and making informed choices, thats how you should decide on if a LTS in a game is for you or not. Making childish remarks based off your own ingnorance, without even trying to see if it is of value to you or not...well thats not what anyone should be doing if you ask me. Just my opinion anyway.
You come across as someone who is desperate to defend the money you have spent on games that have LTS and have gone F2P. Did you use all of your "logical evaluation" on those other game that went F2P. Did you ever say to yourself "I cant wait until my LTS is downgraded to a few perks"
To call people unenlightened, cheap and ignorant because they can see through the scam seems pretty foolish. If you can not see a quick money grab for what it is what else really needs to be said? This industry has the only customers I know of that asked to be raped over and over again. People give more crap to McDonalds employees for screwing up a 2 dollar order than they do a developer for purposly misleading them out of hundreds of dollars. It is truly amazing.
So far, I'm fairly impressed. This is a game that I haven't really looked into or researched, so I went into it relatively blind. I enjoyed the unique setting, the storyline, and the class system, but what I worry about is the questing system. While there are some quests that have you doing unique things like solving puzzles, a lot of quests that I've done up until this point feel very grindy. They last too long and have you running all over the map doing the same activities over and over. One quest had me run to a diner to loot some object. Afterwards, the quest updated and I had to loot some object in a gun store. After that, I was told to loot some objects in some other place and then another place followed by being told to loot some item out of a fire station. Another quest had me go to a location on the map to kill six mobs. The quest updated and told me to kill 6 mobs in another location. The quest updated again and I had to kill 6 mobs in another location. Afterwards, I had to kill 9 mobs in a certain location and then I had to kill 9 more mobs in a different location. After all that I had to go down into a sewer to kill more mobs. Another quest I'm reminded of had me running all over the map killing 20 zombies using every kind of explosive device the developers' could think of. The problem was I killed 20 then ran back to get the next object that I used to kill 20 more, so on and so on.
Just wanted anyone to know who preordered threw Funcom if you use your beta key there is not refund what so ever. It is in the agreement, I found out the hardway today. The game was fine just not for me.
Just wanted anyone to know who preordered threw Funcom if you use your beta key there is not refund what so ever. It is in the agreement, I found out the hardway today. The game was fine just not for me.
Bah was just looking around for that info just in case. Oh well.
True, what amazes me more though is all the people who have never gone with a life time sub in thier entire life, who feel they have any ground to stand on when talking about people who have.
What exactly amazes you about this? Why would I or anyone else need to be scammed by the quick cash grab of a LTS to know it is a scam? Why do I have to waste my money when there are plenty of people like you for me to learn from? A wise man learns from other peoples mistakes, a fool learns from his own.
I have purchased two LTS in the past, and have been ever thankful since for both. Yes, they may have gone F2P since then, and now I get perks like no other as a result of my LTS too.
Are those "perks" what you signed up for? Did you pay for the LTS knowing your game was going to go f2P? No you got mislead and now you just have to be thankful you get anything from the money you spent. Those "perks" are just to shut you up and hope you never see that you got taken.
You, and those like you, can sit by and watch as others enjoy everything they get from the LTS they purchased. But please, until you are in that crowd, how about you stop talking about them. You are no better than them, so stop thinking you are. I sure dont see anyone here talking bad about you because you are too cheap or too unenlightened to get a LTS to a game, especially one you enjoy playing, or have played with great pleasure for years. So take a queue from them please.
I am really suprised someone like you who has been taken for a ride with the LTS not once but twice could have the balls to use the word unenlightened. As the saying goes a fool and his money are soon parted. Ask yourself this question...why didn't Blizz ever offer a lifetime sub? The most popular MMO of all time has never offered one. Why is that? The answer is fairly simple. There is no long term money to be made in offering one. It is a quick cash grab to help boost your intial sales. It is a pretty dirty trick that people will fall for because they are blinded by their own hype of the game. LTS always equals f2p. They will take your money and at some point down the road it will go f2P and you will tell yourself that its great because you get some "perks".
As for the LTS for this game, I might, I'm still thinking on it personally. The unknowns in this game are the things I need to make up my mind. So far I am really enjoying the fact that the instant gratification crowd will most likely not like this game and stay away. That is a huge plus in my book. But the crafting and PvP side is still a mystery to me, and thats what I need for my choice. You see how that works?? Logical evaluation, studying and making informed choices, thats how you should decide on if a LTS in a game is for you or not. Making childish remarks based off your own ingnorance, without even trying to see if it is of value to you or not...well thats not what anyone should be doing if you ask me. Just my opinion anyway.
You come across as someone who is desperate to defend the money you have spent on games that have LTS and have gone F2P. Did you use all of your "logical evaluation" on those other game that went F2P. Did you ever say to yourself "I cant wait until my LTS is downgraded to a few perks"
To call people unenlightened, cheap and ignorant because they can see through the scam seems pretty foolish. If you can not see a quick money grab for what it is what else really needs to be said? This industry has the only customers I know of that asked to be raped over and over again. People give more crap to McDonalds employees for screwing up a 2 dollar order than they do a developer for purposly misleading them out of hundreds of dollars. It is truly amazing.
Well let me just respond to your post with a simple statement. It should make everything you have stated up there in green pretty worthless.
I purchased a LTS for LoTRO when it first was offered at $199. I have been playing that game ever since without a single monthly sub payment. At it's normal monthly sub cost of $14.99, from April 2007 until it went Freemium on June 2010 its equivalent cost to me was $5.26 for each of the 38 months. And once it went Freemium, I recieve 500 Turbine points for free which I can spend in thier cash shop, which comes to to approximately $6.50 each month if I had to buy them myself. These 500 free points I have recieved every month since June 2010, so currently thats 24 months. SO if we do the math, thats basically $156 of free cash shop items for the game I play all the time for free.
So to answer your green posts I will use all that nice truthful data to give you my response. No, I was not scammed in the least by LoTRO by purchasing my LTS. As a matter of fact, I have enjoyed playing it for 5 years now, all at a total cost to me of $199 dollars. And of that $199 I have already recieved $156 of it back in money I didnt have to spend in the cash shop to coninue playing it. 5 years, thats 60 months, all for $199. $3.31 per month if I payed a regular sub for the same total value, $5.91 a month if I payed for the sub and all the free cash shop items they gave me.
If this is what you call being scammed......really. Raped by some money grab scam?? REALLY??? Sorry, but I stick by my previous comments. If you can't understand cold hard facts like these then there is nothing anyone can do to change your mind. You go right ahead and make a point about not spending $140 on the LTS for this game. Spend your $14.95 a month for it instead, and at the end of 10 months, when your starting to pay more than me if I go LTS, come back here then and tell us all how you were the wise one. Because thats all a LTS costs here, $140, and you WILL spend more going month to month after just 10 months of playing without one.
Oh and lets look at those wisest of wise, Blizzard. Do you know why they never offered a LTS for WoW??? Do You??? It is because they would have lost money by doing so. The players win out on a LTS if they play the game long enough. Sure the company gets the money up front, but you save in the long run by purchasing it.
Yeah it cracks me up to no end that people will buy lifetime subs without even playing a game first......I cant imagine how pissed off I would have been had I done that with this game.
I can't believe anyone would fall for that quick cash grab known as a lifetime sub to begin with. How many games that offered lifetime sub are not F2P?
Especially from Funcom. They don't exactly have a trrack reciord of good MMO's...
Live Streaming TSW, judge by yourself, click on the Banner.
"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"
Pending on how the launch goes and what the vibe seems to be as to whether the other zones are fleshed out well this beta may have just piqued my interest enough to purchase this game.
Still...at this point it was only one zone. Had fun with it though.
Not entirely sure about longevity though. Due to how story oriented the game is and how it is designed I don't see a lot of replayability. Least for me. Then again a gmae doesn't need to have that by my standards. Just means I probably will only be playing it a few months. Unless PvP simply kicks ass.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I'm cancelling. I might try it again after a demo / free trial is offered in the coming months when they fix a majority of the problems. Will buy it if it's enjoyable enough by then. I'll probably play it more like a single player RPG because I really enjoyed the story and the mystery of trying to figure out the investigation missions.
Reasons for cancelling (most of which will be fixed at some point):
Guild Wars 2 will take too much of my time.
Serious bugs and issues during beta. It felt very much like a Funcom game.
Poor character customization. Hated the look of my character.
Combat felt a bit sluggish. Ability balance felt way out of whack.
Weak multiplayer and social features. (Too many solo instances that party members can't join together, lack of social tab / friends list that I could find, MOB tagging, quests can only be shared at start and not at specific tiers, etc.)
I was almost convienced that I should buy the game. But, now I am pretty sure I will not. The game looks ok, its not groundbreaking graphics here. Its an MMO and they can't eliminate too many people. The beta for me, showed the game was not enough for me or any of my gaming buds. I suppose if I could use a gamepad I would be more inclined to play the game. I just cant seem to get into the game.
At first the whole "Secret World" had me at hello. I love the idea of such a thing existing and loved the history of the factions. But the more I get into the beta play, the less the actual implementation impressed me. The game doesnt seem fluid, I lowered the graphics down to low and turned off everything I could. I have the GT 530, not a bad card, a little dated, but it can handle the load. The game still ran choppy at times and with a quadcore 3ghz I found the load times excessive.
Pros: Inventive game, talent system is well drafted although will let you bunk it up royally (which is fine), difficulty is higher than most lollypop F2P games.
Cons: Seems very much so beta, runs rough more than expected, targeting system kept dropping, graphics are mediocre, gameplay is interesting but not outstanding at times combat felt boring. Here I am charging into battle. I almost yelled weeee a few times, but then realized I was mashing 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2 over and over. Well, thats why I quit Tera.
Now the game is not for everyone. Its still in Beta. Its a pretty descent game.If I hadn't started playig FPS games between waiting on releases, this might have had more appeal. I would have been happier with a twitch-based combat system. It is what it is.
I won't say "The game is God awful, everyone cancel your subs!" The fact stands, its not bad, its beta. Let it grow. I will keep my eyes on it and see what they grow into.
Yeah it cracks me up to no end that people will buy lifetime subs without even playing a game first......I cant imagine how pissed off I would have been had I done that with this game.
I can't believe anyone would fall for that quick cash grab known as a lifetime sub to begin with. How many games that offered lifetime sub are not F2P?
i did with lotro 3 yrs ago for £75..think i've had my money's worth and more..not to mention they give me Turbine Points to purchase the new expansion..nothing wrong with f2p..it made lotro very successful.albeit a couple of poor updates came out after,but latest one is excellent.
Some of these complaints i totally get. The animations, the jumping, the character cusomization, & targeting.
Others? I really don't. Frankly, the graphics seem pretty good to me and so far the story seems a hell of a lot more interesting than SWTOR's. Although SWTOR did have better vo. Least your character doesn't speak so you don't hear the same lines umpteen times and so far no recycled alien langguage ridden cut scenes...yaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Frankly, I thought it was a pretty good beta. Problem is considering how close the game is to launch it just seems odd they only opened one zone and I really have to question whether some of the bigger concerns will be fixed.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Yeah it cracks me up to no end that people will buy lifetime subs without even playing a game first......I cant imagine how pissed off I would have been had I done that with this game.
I can't believe anyone would fall for that quick cash grab known as a lifetime sub to begin with. How many games that offered lifetime sub are not F2P?
Lord of the....no wait...
Star Tre......crap...
erm.....hmmm =/
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity: Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
Well let me just respond to your post with a simple statement. It should make everything you have stated up there in green pretty worthless.
I purchased a LTS for LoTRO when it first was offered at $199. I have been playing that game ever since without a single monthly sub payment. At it's normal monthly sub cost of $14.99, from April 2007 until it went Freemium on June 2010 its equivalent cost to me was $5.26 for each of the 38 months. And once it went Freemium, I recieve 500 Turbine points for free which I can spend in thier cash shop, which comes to to approximately $6.50 each month if I had to buy them myself. These 500 free points I have recieved every month since June 2010, so currently thats 24 months. SO if we do the math, thats basically $156 of free cash shop items for the game I play all the time for free.
So to answer your green posts I will use all that nice truthful data to give you my response. No, I was not scammed in the least by LoTRO by purchasing my LTS. As a matter of fact, I have enjoyed playing it for 5 years now, all at a total cost to me of $199 dollars. And of that $199 I have already recieved $156 of it back in money I didnt have to spend in the cash shop to coninue playing it. 5 years, thats 60 months, all for $199. $3.31 per month if I payed a regular sub for the same total value, $5.91 a month if I payed for the sub and all the free cash shop items they gave me.
If this is what you call being scammed......really. Raped by some money grab scam?? REALLY??? Sorry, but I stick by my previous comments. If you can't understand cold hard facts like these then there is nothing anyone can do to change your mind. You go right ahead and make a point about not spending $140 on the LTS for this game. Spend your $14.95 a month for it instead, and at the end of 10 months, when your starting to pay more than me if I go LTS, come back here then and tell us all how you were the wise one. Because thats all a LTS costs here, $140, and you WILL spend more going month to month after just 10 months of playing without one.
Oh and lets look at those wisest of wise, Blizzard. Do you know why they never offered a LTS for WoW??? Do You??? It is because they would have lost money by doing so. The players win out on a LTS if they play the game long enough. Sure the company gets the money up front, but you save in the long run by purchasing it.
So when you signed up for the LTS for Lotro you signed up for 500 free turbine points? Thats is what you spent 200 bucks on? NO its not and that is the point. You got suckered. You did not get what you paid for because after a period of time that was a hell of a lot shorter than a lifetime they gave it away to everyone else. What you bought is not what you are getting. Your original purchase got substitued for something else and look at you ..you are thrilled about it. I love people like you. Once again if we were discussing anything else other than video games this would not be tolerated.
Go ahead and spend your $140 and in 6 months when it goes F2P you will still be happy about it and I will still be laughing at you. I will play the game for free and not pay a box fee and you will have been a sucker yet again. You will still think you got what you paid for because you will get 500 free Funcom points. If Funcom is anything like SOE and all of the other F2P cash shops they will have deals on points where you spend 20 bucks and get 60 bucks worth of points. Happens all the time. So people will be able to spend that 20 bucks and get all of the expansions and just about everything else you have.
As far as Blizzard goes isn't that what I said? Didn't I say there is no long term money to be gained from it? Sure did. Blizzard never thought their game would fail and go F2P. They never needed that money grab at the begining. They had a quality product and they knew it. All of the LTS scam games are garbage. It was either go F2P or die. Maybe you try so hard to defend your position because you pay full retail for the box and then more for the LTS for games that have all failed to be able to retain sub based customers. Why is that? Because the games were not worth the $15 a month to most of their customer base. The only people that do stick around until these gems go F2P are the people like you who bought a LTS. The suckers.
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True, what amazes me more though is all the people who have never gone with a life time sub in thier entire life, who feel they have any ground to stand on when talking about people who have.
I have purchased two LTS in the past, and have been ever thankful since for both. Yes, they may have gone F2P since then, and now I get perks like no other as a result of my LTS too. You, and those like you, can sit by and watch as others enjoy everything they get from the LTS they purchased. But please, until you are in that crowd, how about you stop talking about them. You are no better than them, so stop thinking you are. I sure dont see anyone here talking bad about you because you are too cheap or too unenlightened to get a LTS to a game, especially one you enjoy playing, or have played with great pleasure for years. So take a queue from them please.
As for the LTS for this game, I might, I'm still thinking on it personally. The unknowns in this game are the things I need to make up my mind. So far I am really enjoying the fact that the instant gratification crowd will most likely not like this game and stay away. That is a huge plus in my book. But the crafting and PvP side is still a mystery to me, and thats what I need for my choice. You see how that works?? Logical evaluation, studying and making informed choices, thats how you should decide on if a LTS in a game is for you or not. Making childish remarks based off your own ingnorance, without even trying to see if it is of value to you or not...well thats not what anyone should be doing if you ask me. Just my opinion anyway.
I played for about eight hours and enjoyed it, but I'm going to wait and see. Game is a little too rough around the edges and incomplete for me so maybe a few months after launch I'll check back.
I would also like to add that a couple hundred dollars might not be all that much to some people. If your the type who sticks with a game for years, or want the ability to pop in and out of the game without having to spend $15 each time you do...LTS might make sense to you.
Im not one who considers a LTS, i bounce around a lot and my mood as to what i want in a game changes with the wind, while other times i stay for years, some times on and off ect.
Given the companies track record on mmorpgs....LTS might look diffrent considering they dont shut down their games and have games that have been running since 2001...an none of their games have gone 100% f2p they always save expansion content and top tier end game for subs. Looking at it from this point of view, and if your a gamer who doesnt get sick of games or burn out on them LTS might make more sense than if you typically play 80hrs a week race to endgame then move on to the next one and never come back ect.
The one thing thats for sure is that a LTS pre launch is always a gamble...but again...a couple hundred dollars might not be a whole lot to some.
SWTOR had much better writers and more of them as that is a huge composition of bioware's staff. The stories were for class, planet, instance were developed by bioware, I played a jedi consular, supposedly the worst class story, yet the writing was well done. Levels 1-48 in Tor are more polished than anything is just some EA employee got control of the level 48-50 content. We both know a year from now SWTOR will have way more players than TSW, I don't play SWTOR due to end game issues and to many servers but I recognize good writting and it seems like you are the only person on the internet to ever say the writing was bad. They were the same writers from KOTOR, RPGs that are more well known than whatever these writers have done.
The writers for ToR were the same as the guys for AoC and after six hours or so it seems there is a lot of randomness to it. This is the most polished area in the entire game most likely so I doubt it will have quality or quantity content to keep players. I'm sure some will stay but I expect future development to be slow as opposed to SWTOR where EA just double downed on resourses.
Just remember beta weekend it like Tortage. what is after?
Ummm..... aren't all of them f2p now? (Not sure if you meant not or now)
Yea I'm about in the same boat but I did pre-order from Funcom direct and I think I'll hold onto the game. I won't be buying the upgraded version or the lifetime sub at this point however.
The game has the promise of being something really cool but it's execution is a little weak at this point. I'm not just talking about minor annoying bugs like quests that can't be completed either their are big issues in this game that won't be able to be fixed until after launch.
the only mmo that wil lbring immersion in this modern world is world of darkness
tsw fails in every single aspect
just few good investigation quest the rest is deja vu
Haven't bought it yet, but if Diablo 3 weren't on the horizon, I'd definitely buy it. I'll probably still buy it once I get sick of D3.
definately keeping...cant remember the last time i played a game that made me think.that goes for any game..still needs work,but i have to say i didnt get a lagfest like i did with conan..thought so far the game has been very smooth.came across occasional bug but nothing game breaking yet,so i,m a happy bunny.
Is there a level cap or restricted areas in the beta?
We all know what happened in AoC after 20,which was the cap in that beta.
suckfest is what happened.
So far, I'm fairly impressed. This is a game that I haven't really looked into or researched, so I went into it relatively blind. I enjoyed the unique setting, the storyline, and the class system, but what I worry about is the questing system. While there are some quests that have you doing unique things like solving puzzles, a lot of quests that I've done up until this point feel very grindy. They last too long and have you running all over the map doing the same activities over and over. One quest had me run to a diner to loot some object. Afterwards, the quest updated and I had to loot some object in a gun store. After that, I was told to loot some objects in some other place and then another place followed by being told to loot some item out of a fire station. Another quest had me go to a location on the map to kill six mobs. The quest updated and told me to kill 6 mobs in another location. The quest updated again and I had to kill 6 mobs in another location. Afterwards, I had to kill 9 mobs in a certain location and then I had to kill 9 more mobs in a different location. After all that I had to go down into a sewer to kill more mobs. Another quest I'm reminded of had me running all over the map killing 20 zombies using every kind of explosive device the developers' could think of. The problem was I killed 20 then ran back to get the next object that I used to kill 20 more, so on and so on.
Just wanted anyone to know who preordered threw Funcom if you use your beta key there is not refund what so ever. It is in the agreement, I found out the hardway today. The game was fine just not for me.
Bah was just looking around for that info just in case. Oh well.
Well let me just respond to your post with a simple statement. It should make everything you have stated up there in green pretty worthless.
I purchased a LTS for LoTRO when it first was offered at $199. I have been playing that game ever since without a single monthly sub payment. At it's normal monthly sub cost of $14.99, from April 2007 until it went Freemium on June 2010 its equivalent cost to me was $5.26 for each of the 38 months. And once it went Freemium, I recieve 500 Turbine points for free which I can spend in thier cash shop, which comes to to approximately $6.50 each month if I had to buy them myself. These 500 free points I have recieved every month since June 2010, so currently thats 24 months. SO if we do the math, thats basically $156 of free cash shop items for the game I play all the time for free.
So to answer your green posts I will use all that nice truthful data to give you my response. No, I was not scammed in the least by LoTRO by purchasing my LTS. As a matter of fact, I have enjoyed playing it for 5 years now, all at a total cost to me of $199 dollars. And of that $199 I have already recieved $156 of it back in money I didnt have to spend in the cash shop to coninue playing it. 5 years, thats 60 months, all for $199. $3.31 per month if I payed a regular sub for the same total value, $5.91 a month if I payed for the sub and all the free cash shop items they gave me.
If this is what you call being scammed......really. Raped by some money grab scam?? REALLY??? Sorry, but I stick by my previous comments. If you can't understand cold hard facts like these then there is nothing anyone can do to change your mind. You go right ahead and make a point about not spending $140 on the LTS for this game. Spend your $14.95 a month for it instead, and at the end of 10 months, when your starting to pay more than me if I go LTS, come back here then and tell us all how you were the wise one. Because thats all a LTS costs here, $140, and you WILL spend more going month to month after just 10 months of playing without one.
Oh and lets look at those wisest of wise, Blizzard. Do you know why they never offered a LTS for WoW??? Do You??? It is because they would have lost money by doing so. The players win out on a LTS if they play the game long enough. Sure the company gets the money up front, but you save in the long run by purchasing it.
Especially from Funcom. They don't exactly have a trrack reciord of good MMO's...
Live Streaming TSW, judge by yourself, click on the Banner.
They have an LTS option?
Who in their right mind would do that after LotRO, STO, CO, AoC...?
It's going F2P at some point. 100% chance, the only question is "when?".
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Pending on how the launch goes and what the vibe seems to be as to whether the other zones are fleshed out well this beta may have just piqued my interest enough to purchase this game.
Still...at this point it was only one zone. Had fun with it though.
Not entirely sure about longevity though. Due to how story oriented the game is and how it is designed I don't see a lot of replayability. Least for me. Then again a gmae doesn't need to have that by my standards. Just means I probably will only be playing it a few months. Unless PvP simply kicks ass.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I'm cancelling. I might try it again after a demo / free trial is offered in the coming months when they fix a majority of the problems. Will buy it if it's enjoyable enough by then. I'll probably play it more like a single player RPG because I really enjoyed the story and the mystery of trying to figure out the investigation missions.
Reasons for cancelling (most of which will be fixed at some point):
Guild Wars 2 will take too much of my time.
Serious bugs and issues during beta. It felt very much like a Funcom game.
Poor character customization. Hated the look of my character.
Combat felt a bit sluggish. Ability balance felt way out of whack.
Weak multiplayer and social features. (Too many solo instances that party members can't join together, lack of social tab / friends list that I could find, MOB tagging, quests can only be shared at start and not at specific tiers, etc.)
Sub fee + box purchase + cash shop at launch.
Animations feel off and incomplete.
Right down the middle, nice
This game is not for everyone nor are they catering to everyone (yet) or show any indaction they will.
This aint a fast food mmo. More like a fine Italian resturant. Not everyone likes Italian though, and that's ok
I was almost convienced that I should buy the game. But, now I am pretty sure I will not. The game looks ok, its not groundbreaking graphics here. Its an MMO and they can't eliminate too many people. The beta for me, showed the game was not enough for me or any of my gaming buds. I suppose if I could use a gamepad I would be more inclined to play the game. I just cant seem to get into the game.
At first the whole "Secret World" had me at hello. I love the idea of such a thing existing and loved the history of the factions. But the more I get into the beta play, the less the actual implementation impressed me. The game doesnt seem fluid, I lowered the graphics down to low and turned off everything I could. I have the GT 530, not a bad card, a little dated, but it can handle the load. The game still ran choppy at times and with a quadcore 3ghz I found the load times excessive.
Pros: Inventive game, talent system is well drafted although will let you bunk it up royally (which is fine), difficulty is higher than most lollypop F2P games.
Cons: Seems very much so beta, runs rough more than expected, targeting system kept dropping, graphics are mediocre, gameplay is interesting but not outstanding at times combat felt boring. Here I am charging into battle. I almost yelled weeee a few times, but then realized I was mashing 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2 over and over. Well, thats why I quit Tera.
Now the game is not for everyone. Its still in Beta. Its a pretty descent game.If I hadn't started playig FPS games between waiting on releases, this might have had more appeal. I would have been happier with a twitch-based combat system. It is what it is.
I won't say "The game is God awful, everyone cancel your subs!" The fact stands, its not bad, its beta. Let it grow. I will keep my eyes on it and see what they grow into.
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i did with lotro 3 yrs ago for £75..think i've had my money's worth and more..not to mention they give me Turbine Points to purchase the new expansion..nothing wrong with f2p..it made lotro very successful.albeit a couple of poor updates came out after,but latest one is excellent.
Some of these complaints i totally get. The animations, the jumping, the character cusomization, & targeting.
Others? I really don't. Frankly, the graphics seem pretty good to me and so far the story seems a hell of a lot more interesting than SWTOR's. Although SWTOR did have better vo. Least your character doesn't speak so you don't hear the same lines umpteen times and so far no recycled alien langguage ridden cut scenes...yaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Frankly, I thought it was a pretty good beta. Problem is considering how close the game is to launch it just seems odd they only opened one zone and I really have to question whether some of the bigger concerns will be fixed.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Lord of the....no wait...
Star Tre......crap...
erm.....hmmm =/
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
So when you signed up for the LTS for Lotro you signed up for 500 free turbine points? Thats is what you spent 200 bucks on? NO its not and that is the point. You got suckered. You did not get what you paid for because after a period of time that was a hell of a lot shorter than a lifetime they gave it away to everyone else. What you bought is not what you are getting. Your original purchase got substitued for something else and look at you ..you are thrilled about it. I love people like you. Once again if we were discussing anything else other than video games this would not be tolerated.
Go ahead and spend your $140 and in 6 months when it goes F2P you will still be happy about it and I will still be laughing at you. I will play the game for free and not pay a box fee and you will have been a sucker yet again. You will still think you got what you paid for because you will get 500 free Funcom points. If Funcom is anything like SOE and all of the other F2P cash shops they will have deals on points where you spend 20 bucks and get 60 bucks worth of points. Happens all the time. So people will be able to spend that 20 bucks and get all of the expansions and just about everything else you have.
As far as Blizzard goes isn't that what I said? Didn't I say there is no long term money to be gained from it? Sure did. Blizzard never thought their game would fail and go F2P. They never needed that money grab at the begining. They had a quality product and they knew it. All of the LTS scam games are garbage. It was either go F2P or die. Maybe you try so hard to defend your position because you pay full retail for the box and then more for the LTS for games that have all failed to be able to retain sub based customers. Why is that? Because the games were not worth the $15 a month to most of their customer base. The only people that do stick around until these gems go F2P are the people like you who bought a LTS. The suckers.