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Why I stopped my subscription.
jonezi92
Member Posts: 224
So I canceled my subscription today, and when asked to place my comment in the box as to why i was doing so, i added this:
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Game is heavily focus'd on Alt play and the legacy system.
Bored with endgame content.
Bored with PvP.
Bored with raiding for Tokens to get semi par gear.
Bored with constant Bounty Hunter and trooper drops in hardmode.
Bored with having to level up other characters because there is no endgame content.
Still cannot understand why you guys would rather add alt fluff to the game than leave the idea of placing a dual spec option.
Main focus is on the legacy system instead of fixing what little endgame content there actually is.
Also many people have leveled characters to 50 on light populated servers and have had no choice to transfer servers forcing them to start all over again because there is no server merging going on.
As soon as you hit 50, all i seem to be doing is Farming mind numbing Dailies, spending most of my time raiding boss's that bug left, right and centre causing the whole raid to stay longer after a wipe. Then when we actually do down the boss we are working on, its fucking Bounty Hunter gear 95% of the time.
I was really looking forward to playing this game since you guys did an awesome job with Kotor but so far it has been a few weeks of enjoyment and disappointment from then onwards.
I wish the Bioware team the best of luck and hopefully i will return when the game has improved. Until then, most of your subscribers and myself will be playing Diablo III which i've already noticed has dealt quite a blow to server activity. I just hope Guild Wars 2 won't be the finishing touch.
I can no longer justify paying the asking subscription price to play this game. Also having spent around £43 just buying the game which is disgusting for a PC Game.
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When I first started the game it was special don't get me wrong, I loved it.
But having played a level 50 Sniper and 50 Marauder to hardmode raiding content and casual storymode raiding for guildies to gear up, the game just didnt have the same effect on me anymore.
Patch 1.2 was a dissapointment again. and even now 1.3 is still focusing on the legacy system which means even more alt grinding.
What are your thought's? am I wrong or has anyone else gotten the same feeling as i have the past few months...
Comments
First of all, I applaud the THOUGHT behind the legacy system. I wish more developers would try to concentrate on the leveling process as well as the endgame process when adding content updates. I don't have a problem with what BioWare was trying to do here. Unfortunately, their execution was horrible. Here's why:
BioWare has designed a game in which the main hook is the story. They've rammed story down our throats. Story this, story that...experience our story! Now they've added in the Legacy System, which is designed to encourage players to roll alts, and experience MORE story. Unforunately, they've forgotten one thing: Replayability. The game has none. The class stories are the only thing that will change the second time through, and those only account for about 10% of the content. Everything else is the exact same. Same side quests in the same order. Same planets in the same order. Same flashpoints in the same order.
If BioWare truly wanted us to latch onto this legacy system, and latch onto the storylines, they would have created more planets for us to explore. Alternate leveling paths, like WoW has. Like Vanguard has. Like LOTRO has. Don't make us do the same exact thing over and over and over again just to experience a difference of 10% of the content. It makes no sense. They've boxed themselves into a corner with their own story, and it's basically been the downfall of the game.
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They have a "Tell us why you unsubscribed" thread on the main SWTOR forums. There are, last time I checked, 71 pages of posts very similar to yours.
I have to agree 150% with the OP on one major point: the Legacy system. Bioware has grown tunnel vision about this underhwelming system that really add's 0 in terms of playable end game content.
It was a huge mistake as it's been the focus of a majority of their patches and news releases. While populations have dropped, Ilum has shut down, Players have complained of the complete and utter lack of end game content, Bioware, in their infinite wisdom has poured patch after patch and news release after news release into the legacy system.
Teheheh, awww bless 'em.
In a way I am so glad. Hopefully companies will stop trying to out WoW, WoW.
SWTOR was just a blatent attempt of big corporations trying to rope up people. We gamers don't stand for such nonsense, we won't settle for the MMO version of Justin Beiber. I'm glad you unsubbed dude.
I tend to agree. Replay value is really low, and I dislike this way too huge emphasis on story.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Lol, I think you are drastically overestimating "you gamers." Yes, in fact...you WILL stand for such nonsense. If you wouldn't, then these companies wouldn't keep making these money-grabs based off of the WoW formula. Sorry, but it's been working for years. These games may not have a lot of longevity, but they make their money because gamers aren't as shrewd as you seem to think they are. Either that, or the WoW formula still sells, at least out of the gate. LOTRO, Rift, TOR...all successful games in a monetary sense. All based off the WoW formula. TOR will most likely not pull the kind of profit they need to simply based off of production costs, but make no mistake about it, they suckered 2 million people into buying the game, and another 1+ million into subscribing for at least a short time.
Perhaps you are right, I'm a big fan of TotalBiscuit, and through his videos he has directly changed certain aspects of games and made developers listen. You don't generally see this in other media. Maybe his influence has made me think something isn't there. You have to admit, gamers are incredibly vocal.
My point was that, they may have made money off of the WoW formulae but no where near the amounts they thought they would grab. But I agree, I think I was being a bit nieve.
For the last time.... just quit and move on. Why type a book as to why you left? NO ONE CARES.
I do.
"Do not despise the snake for having no horns, for who is to say it will not become a dragon? So may one just man become an army."
- Shi Nai'an, The Water Margin
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Except Bioware and other players do care! Because they don't want the game to fail...... this was a very well thought out and constructed criticism of the game......
Dem hibbies! Dey be wrong!
The focus on story isn't why the replay value is low, you can have non linear story if you make each quests it's own mini story.
It's the one linear path from planet to planet, games like WoW have a handful of zones per level range and if you hate one you can play another one or play totally different zones when you make an ALT. In SWTOR you're stuck doing the same quests and the same planets in the exact same order every ALT you make.
Also Fleet Stations killed the game because they're boring generic places that give you no reason to go to the planets, they need to get rid of them and put people in the planet cities. Maybe then low players will call for help in PVP and players will come out to help them and we'd get more world PVP.
You then have the boring end game of sitting in the fleet doing raids and battlegrounds over and over. WoW at least has a fully realised mostly seamless world where players feel ownership, it's much better made.
Oh look, a person claiming no one cares, cares enough to make a post about it ;P
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
I do, especially when someone explains why.
Likewise
I care when someone picks up a game and shares their experience.
It's OK. get it off your chest. I felt the same way when everyone was slagging off Tabula Rasa and Champions Online (at least Cryptic had the sense to go hybrid). After a while it just gets to painful looking at threads with your favourite game in them. The best thing to do is just ignore this site and play the games you love for as long as you can. Understand though, sometimes love isn't enough.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
I'd reply to that, but I think all the above posters have done a good enough job, thanks.
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Did someone put a gun to your head and say 'read this thread then post in it or die?" No. So how about you don't read the posts? You don't get upset. You won't need a fainting couch because someone quit your game and the rest of us can move on to enjoying the give and take of arguing about what is shaping up to be one of the biggest and most spectacular MMO failures ever.
Problem solved. Everyone happy.
Or like my wife has been known to say: If sticking your finger in your eye hurts... Stop sticking your finger in your eye!
If you don't care, why are you posting on this thread, let alone reading it? If you don't care that someone cancelled their sub to a game, it stands to reason that you wouldn't be wasting your time browsing through such a thread.
SWTOR has had so many flaws and left out so many standard features from the beginning, but besides the fact that they are doing a terrible job with the game, the community of its players are shockingly rude to people that voice their reasons for leaving(this also happened while voicing concerns in beta). SWTOR community should be begging those people to stay, should be nice and ask them to come back try it out in future patches. Because I'll tell ya right now ask the Warhammer people how that worked out for them, they were the same way. Once people leave they don't come back. The game is a sub based game and not having people to play it will leave the niche group on a couple of servers while the game is in maintenance mode until it's no longer making enough to keep it alive...then the plug gets pulled.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
Dark Age of Camelot
So glad i got into Beta and after the 2nd saw that the game was heading for a major fall,just glad my spidey sense picked up on this during the beta as i was 100% buying the game mind you some of the early Beta footage set alarm bells off as well.
Maybe every player who un subs could cut and paste the Op's post,but i doubt it will be any use the only option i can see is F2P as then they will get a gold rush of new players
until of course they hit end game, so a money grabbing cash shop would not suprise me when it eventually goes F2P/Hybrid.
I unsubbed last night after the news. "Restructuring" is just PC speak for "hold on to something, we're going down".
I bought the game 2 months ago. I knew what I was in for. I remember how it was on these forums and theirs. The censorship and one-sided bias.
But, it was Star Wars and frankly, I can afford $60.
SWTOR is everything I had imagined. The game mechanics, end-game, and even the community. Despite all of that, I had fun leveling my first character. But, that's where it ended.
The game is too linear and limited.
The CC in PvP is out of control (no pun).
PvP is too restricted and too pre-manufactured/artificial with no meaning.
PvE mobs are too dumb, static, and boring to fight.
Patches break stuff.
My video card runs super hot after 1.2
The moderators are the KGB and give scripted hypocritical answers, if they even bother to give you one.
The Fatman population is in decline.
1.3 million subs is an obvious lie and mathmatically impossible.
Mass firing of employees.
The Fatman's population recent decline had me on the fence, the mass layoffs pushed me over.
Simply, a game with this kind of money, resources and IP shouldn't be having these population and "restructuring" problems.
Maintenance-mode engage.............
Well BW cares since they asked him to tell them why he's canceling his sub.
and all those people playing will really care if they pull the cord on this one... so yes you should care:)
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