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I really enjoy the game but....
SlickShoes
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the way the item drops are set up grinds my gears.
As I progress further into the game it becomes glaringly obvious. Currently I am level 54 on act2 of HELL, my problem is as follows:
The game is getting harder, thus i need to gear up in order to progress, the gear I am finding in Act2 of HELL is 90% of the time gear for people that are level 40 odd and progressing through nightmare. In Nightmare I was finding gear that was good for people level 25 or so so still in normal mode.
The only place I can get gear appropriate for the content I am doing is to be EXTREMELY lucky or buying it on the Auction House, so all I am doing in game is farming gold and trying not to get ripped off on the auction house.
When I started HELL I had a 140 dps weapon that made act2 almost impossible due to my terrible killing speed, I went on the AH and got a 300 dps weapon and now I can progress again, I have still yet to see a weapon anywhere near that good drop I am lucky to see one at 200dps but mostly it has ridiculous stat allocations.
I have spent hours at one point grinding early HELL, late Nightmare to try and gear myself up for act2 but I ended up just getting drops suitable for someone of level 43ish and amassing LOADS of gold.
This is an obvious design decision from Blizzard to force you to use the auction house, which will then lead to more people using the real money auction house. I really enjoy finding my own gear but currently the only way to get content appropriate gear is to buy it.
I understand why they have this in, to make money, but it really kills the entire mood of the game. I like to see item drops and get excited about finding something new, but all i need to do now is grind a bit gold, go to the AH type in exactly what I want and then just search the results until I find one cheap enough.
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I have to agree with this. Nothing I find in act 1 of Hell will help me progress to act 2 of hell besides gold. This is why RMAH and even Gold AH should have stayed out of Diablo, but too late now.
I think this is why many people are hitting a massive brick wall at inferno, many of the people that "completed" inferno cheesed there way through and didnt get much loot at all, so there is no by product of the progress they made filtering to the auction house.
I have been watching a well known player who is playing hardcore and is currently at inferno and he has been farming Hell Act3/4 and Inferno act1 for about 4-5 days now to try and get enough gear to progress further.
I understand there are people that are dedicated and excellent gamers that will progress through inferno but if i get to inferno in a couple of days and farming hell/inferno act1 doesn't net me any useable gear I have to use the auction house just like blizzard want and feed off everyone elses scraps.
I started selling my items that I find priced based on the money I had 10 levels earlier so I know what people can afford and everything sells within about 5 minutes, if I was to try and sell gear i find at level 54 to a level 54 they would laugh in my face.
bit of a rant again sorry it just ruins everything having this forced on you.
It's the side effect of it being a popular multiplayer game. They have too many players farming gear so they need very low droprates to prevent oversaturation...
Someone is getting the gear if it is for sale??
Yea, people 4 acts/difficulties ahead of the point it was useful. Did you read his post?
Exactly this.
I'm having a lot of fun too and I'm bummed the server is down for extended maintenance...lol....so I'm here instead of playing. But yeah, It's 60 USD to buy the game, then whatever you wanna eventually spend in the currency AH for the "convenience" of being able to progress.
I think they already made money. I don't think they have to do it this way. I like to get sweet drops I can use, too. I just don't feel that excitement you talked about, either.
I don't understand how you can't progress through the game. The first 2-3 days the game came out, I played all the way through the game perfectly fine without buying any items in the auction house as a Witch Doctor. Getting to inferno and being level 60 is where the challenge came in, where you definitely need some extra damage, but Act 1 of inferno is sooooo damn easy that it seems to be designed to be the 'farm' and intro to inferno farming for gear.
I've gotten 2 legendaries so far dropped from weapon racks and the Warden, both which were 700+ dps, (which I just ended up selling for almost 1mil). And with that money, I could buy myself a decent weapon which at the time was a 500dps 1 hander and an offhand. I did act 1 inferno totally fine on the 4th-5th day after launch, and you're stuck on hell mode with such a ridiculous argument over the random gear attribute of this game.
The random gear is how Diablo and any other Diablo-esque game has always been like. If you came here expecting welfare epics like in WoW, you are sadly mistaken.
After my 3rd play through now, having a 60 mage and almost 60 barbarian, I've never lost interest in the game, the random items keep it fun, and it really astounds me how people make such claims of the game being poorly made or broken.
Yes, people are getting the gear but blizzard have designed it so that you will want to sell pretty much everything due to it being useless at your level.
I am level 54, the gear I find is suited to people around level 40, mostly everything I have found in playing in HELL for 8 hours has been trash or would be useable if I was 10 levels less, other than one pair of bracers.
It feels like I don't find anything useful for myself even after farming for hours, I kill the boss at the end of Act2 HELL and he drops 4 blue items that are useful to someone who is level 43.
I am not stuck on the game at all, there doesn't seem to be any balance between being in terrible gear that you find and being uber geared for you level after only spending 50k on the auction house.
You clearly didn't read my post correctly.
I have found no legendaries, so you are luckier than I am.
I understand what random loot is but the game is designed in a way to encourage auction house use over farming your own gear, if you can't see this you are blind. No one is asking for welfare epics, this has nothing to do with WoW at all, i couldn't even give a crap what colour item I have just that it be useful at my own level.
I have put 50 hours in to the game so far so I do not dislike it at all, its one of the most fun games I have played in ages, I just see this glaringly obvious decision blizzard have made to force you to use the AH. Nowhere have I said the game is broken or badly made.
I don't give a damn about items at all. I use what I find. I don't buy stuff. I also don't have any ambition to beat the game at the hardest possible mode, though.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying the game is poorly made or broken. But I do think it's a design to encourage people to spend real money in the AH. Make of it what you will.
You won' t have to spend the money, of course. But you know, if you get tired of wiping and paying for repair costs, you might drop a few dollars on that legendary weapon. I wonder how much people will spend.
I can pretend the real money AH doesn't exist and just play my game, but I wonder if good items in the gold AH will dry up, or become really expensive (in gold) because most people will put them up in the real money AH, especially legendaries.
I did read your post, I am not blind, I am just having a hard time understanding what your problem is because it is not a problem that I have encountered. So my response to your problem, is my solution, not something for you to put down because I am 'luckier' than you.
A lot of the magic and rare items that drop in inferno are level 50-55 and aren't totally garbage, but obviously not level 60 and as good as they could be. I'm actually using a level 30 rare amulet that I found doing Nightmare that I'll probably never find a replacement for. It has 100 vit, 125 int, 23% magic find, 7% attack speed, and a socket.
It really is just a matter of having a good magic find score so that you don't just get all level 50-55 items while farming inferno, while also balancing out your dps and survivability so you can get through it. It is possible, as I've cleared act 1 inferno within the 1st week of launch. It was a challenge, it was fun.
Which class are you playing might I ask?
I do not believe you are making much sense.
Loot games require a certain degree of rarity. Rare items are expensive. This has nothing to do with the RMAH and would have happened regardless unless you expected the game to drop good items left and right and people would have nothing to farm for at all. Oh, and the game doesn't even have ladder.
This in no way shape or form encourages using real money. Quite the opposite. Getting the gear easy makes the game pointless. The point is that you have some random gear item to look forward to and you can't get it for a long long time. And, in fact, if your build is wonky, the items you need for it may be far more rare and not the sort people even put on the AH.
The people who always needed to have the best gear for no reason and those who would have bought items for money anyway are those who will do that here. Those who enjoy playing the game and just want to slowly progress will have no need for it, I certainly won't.
In fact, looking even at the SC AH (don't even get me started on the HC scene. Totally different beast), I already see too many items that are too expensive and are not really impresive in terms of what I am looking for. There are affixes in the game like "Rend costs 2 less fury" and the like. Imagine farming for that, and how rare that + other stats will be.
The main issue I see atm is that people in Hell can use Inferno items. But I don't really know how to manage that without raising the level cap or something.
Fuck you, I'm so jealous.
I understand where you are coming from too, I am also using a level 30 ring because of it's socket and great bonuses, so lower level items are viable to an extent.
I am playing barbarian, I really felt the need to buy a weapon from the AH when I completed act1 of HELL, my lower DPS weapon was holding me back immensely being in melee range for so long results in death if you don't kill things quick enough. I do realise I can alter my playstyle to more ranged abilities but had I wanted to play a ranged class I would have done that.
People are discussing the issue on the offical forums too and this guy's post probably sums it up a bit better than I have here: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4210126289
Haha :P Ya, super great item, and from Nightmare which looking back now blows my mind. But there are things you can find that are clearly better than what even Inferno can drop. I really love random item designs.
Original post pretty much sums up what I feel is the biggest issue with Diablo 3.
I try to think of Diablo 3 as an action RPG/trading sim. Helps me cope with the fact that playing the highs and lows of the auction house is a mandatory part of the game if you want to progress into the higher difficulties with success. Grinding gear as you progress in level is only meant to be a commerce grind for you to sell to lower levels, so you can buy from higher level players for your current level.
Ahh yes, the barbarian. As i was reading your OP, i thought in my head, bet he's a barbarian. I am now leveling my own barbarian, and most of the cries out for help have been the barbarians. Yes, I do see why you would have such an issue now, as the issue you are having isn't exactly the same as it is for the ranged classes.
I will tell you this, straight up right now before you get yourself any deeper into the barbarian shit hole that is already dug.
If you honestly plan on playing full dps, dual wielding or using a 2hander to do anything in inferno, then you will be supremely upset at the results, because yes, you will get owned. Act 1 you could make it through as such, but in act 2, the wasps will 1 shot you, or the lacuni bitches will 1 shot you, guarenteed. <-- not 100% accurate, but you get my point, it is very not possible.
My barbarian friend I've played a lot with already has had to totally remake his character into a tank, and for a barbarian, you just stack an immense amount of vitality and resists, while still trying to just have a decent 1 hander so you aren't totally useless in the damage area.
^ With that being said, after he totally changed around a bunch of things, he tanks quite fine and we 2 man a lot of act 3 runs together doing the keep dungeons up to the 1st big fatty poop monster boss and the items are spectacular after getting 5x stacks of the nephalem valor buff.
My barbarian right now, sitting at 35 is already a tank, I know what I'm getting myself into, and I want to do it. I was going to make a monk to tank instead because they are slightly better, I've seen the results, 50% dodge is amazing, but they are so damn boring, and barbarian will bring me a great challenge and that's really all i want from this game is a challenge.
HAH! Thanks for the warning, I realised a lot of this myself while playing through normal mode as a dual wield and pretty much since act1 of nightmare have been sporting a 1h and shield and also tweaked my spec around to make me unkillable/able to actually take out the elite/champ packs.
I have seen a lot of other barbarians join me in public games and they are getting squashed in areas where I can keep soaking up the damage.
I grouped up with a wizard in nightmare and the speed at which he killed things blew my mind. I am very happy with barbarian though my problem is not with the class I love it, and I love being a tank. So far I haven't had to stack vitality and resists but I assume that has to come in inferno, currently I have 30k HP and 3500 dps, but my resistances are low.
Also with regard to the wasps, even on HELL i already hate them with a passion, when they fly away up high or into the scenery and I have no way of reaching them, plus 50% of all elite packs in that desert seem to be the bloody wasps!
From the looks of it, your current health and dps is fine for hell mode and you should do it fine solo or with a decent ranged dps'er. To give you an example target score for inferno tanking, you'll want to have at least 50-60k health, without buffs, and at least 200 resist for act 1. Then when you use the shout that gives you health, you should be at like 70-80k hp and make sure you get the passive that gives 1% health regen which translates into 700-800. Having extra health regen items is great too. Of course the resist values go up for each act afterwards, but if you can just get in and farm act 1, you'll get some stuff to help you along the way to act 2 and so on.
Remember, inferno isn't made to be cleared so quickly. I'm currently in act 3, after about a week so far, leading up to the spider/succubus annoying hoe, and it really is a fun challenge. The gear I get is a bonus, just being able to be challenged in such a way is the fun for me.
Cheers, I am looking forward to getting to inferno and hitting the brick wall a bit! I will need to change my build a bit to pick up warcry for the buffs as of yet I haven't really had to use anything that boosts those attributes.
It needs to be less ah driven, greedy blizzard and their kickbacks
Crafting needs to be cheaper
I like the time thing though
Yes, I totally agree. I bet within a month or so, there will be some rebels who will make their own website like Diablo 2 had back in the day where players could trade in their items they didn't want or want to sell and get an amount of points equal to the quality and level of the item etc with the people running the website. People could then auction off their items they find for said points without having to ever use the in game auction house to spend so much in game gold. It's only a matter of time, but I really wouldn't mind seeing one again with the way things are heading right now.
"Working as Intended, RMAH coming soon...." - Blizzard
As a barbarian I only needed to periodically buy 1H weapons and shields to progress to reach inferno. Once I reached Inferno EVERYTHING changed and the low level drops really grate on the nerves. It is now about grinding for gold and items to sell to lower level players just so I can buy level appropriate gear that doesn't really drop where I'm at.
I played 100's if not 1,000 hours of D2. I understand the grind of D2. The grind of D3 is different and not in a good way.
However its a pipe dream. It's this ah dependent on purpose. Blizzard need to pay the guys that chaufer their ferraris.