Originally posted by Dis_Ordur But be verrrrrrrry careful, people in the Army treat each other like shit,
Wow I can tell your not speaking from experience.
The Army requires and teaches you to treat your fellow soldier and even the enemy with respect and dignity. Its funny how often we got told that its actually civillians who have no respect for each other and treat each other badly. Now having served and come out I see it was true. My team mates from my service days are the best and most trustworthy people I know. I would trust them with my life... more than I can say for any civilians I can think of.
"Its all about the man next to you" Hoot from Black Hawk Down.
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Originally posted by grimweeper if you do join remember no respawn points. but yea it would be better in the long run, you get special benefits when you retire, if you get cought doin illegal stuff, you know what normal non-serving people will not get away with, you have a chance to get away with.
Actually the UCMJ (Universal Code of Military Justice) is far more strict than the laws we as citizens are held to. I could go into examples, but trust me, in almost EVERY aspect of life you have less freedom as a soldier than you do as a citizen.
As for joining the reserves because they get to do nothing...uh, most the people serving in Iraq and Afganistan right now, at this very moment, are reservists. I know 3 of them personally.
As for military people treating each other like shit, well, yes and no. But I don't think thats exclusive to the military. I think anytime you join a LARGE organization you deal with that dynamic. There are assholes in every organization and cool people too.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
I would go Navy or Air Force rather then Army. Less chance of you dying. Not sure if I'm pushing the line here but I would not want to die for an unjust war. However i do encourage you to join if that is your cause in life. I would just join one of the forementioned branches. I was in the Navy for 4 years and it was pretty cool.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
Originally posted by seabass2003 Have you heard of the free game America's Army? If not goto americasarmy.com then download the game. Do what it tells you for basic training then go into a real mission. Now try to stay alive and complete your objective. When you die and your thinking where the hell did I get shot from? Just turn your computer off and walk over to the couch and sit down. Reflect on this. There is no restart button or waiting for the next round. I'm a decent player in this game and I usually take out 2 or 3 guys every round but I usually end up dead and can't figure out where the shot came from. My cousin and I both joined up around the same time in 93 he went Army I went Air Force. We both were deployed to Bosnia. Hell, does anyone even remember us being there? Anyways, he was staying in an abandoned coal mine at some camp. I was staying in a hotel complaining about not having a t.v. in my room. That should tell you the difference. So basically if you want to be in the middle of the "shit", lack of a better term there, join the Army or the Marines, if you don't want to see land for months at a time join the Navy, if none of those appeal to you join the Air Force. The worst place I ever had to be while I was in the Air Force was in a tent in the middle of the desert. Sounds bad but my tent was air conditioned. Now make your decision and best of luck no matter what you choose they are all honorable branches of the military.
Heh, on the night before I left Houston for Ft. Benning, GA (Infantry Command). I learned something interesting. People going into all 4 of the branches ehading out the next day stayed at the same hotel. The marine recruits had only their wallet and the clothes on their backs to take with them. The Army recruits were allowed a small shoulder bag with a change of clothes and some toiletries. The Navy guys had two suitcases with a variety of items, including some entertaintment. The Air Force guys had the same as the NAvy guys but could also have small electronics, like CD players. What this told me was the level of asskicking I was about to take in basic training. And from all accounts I was correct. The marines and army are going to break you down, and then build you back up the way they want you. Alot of who you were will change, you wont be a mindless automoton or anything. They have to do it this way, because you are expected at one point to be in close contact with the enemy, and a willingness to kill and to take orders immediatly are essential to their operations.
The Navy and Air Force, are much more technical and specialized in their training and the chance of close contact with the enemy is reduced thus the less intensive deconstruction of the recruits personality during basic. That's why they took more with them.
Just some thoughts from my experience. Truth be told, I enjoyed my time in the Army, up until I got injured. But there were plenty of people there who did not know what they were getting into, and did some wild things to get kicked out. Just do your research, and know that its not like the propaganda they feed us in commercials. But it can be a good experience.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
Originally posted by Razorback Wow I can tell your not speaking from experience. The Army requires and teaches you to treat your fellow soldier and even the enemy with respect and dignity. Its funny how often we got told that its actually civillians who have no respect for each other and treat each other badly. Now having served and come out I see it was true. My team mates from my service days are the best and most trustworthy people I know. I would trust them with my life... more than I can say for any civilians I can think of. "Its all about the man next to you" Hoot from Black Hawk Down.
It's this elitist attitude that gives the infantry branches a bad name. If you don't know any civilians you can trust with your life, then you need to get some new civilian friends. I can think of plenty of ex-military guys I wouldn't trust with my life. It swings both ways dude.
The Army only programs you, it doesn't teach you. There's a difference.
Well yeah it can be positive. Unless your friggin DIE! We are at war...might want to keep that in mind.
Lol. Yeah. Most people forget about that little part. If you join the army willingly, you are theirs. You are effectively their property. I do think that joining the army would give you a big boost of self discipline (after standing in line inspections for an hour or more straight in the hot sun and having people collapse next to you and doing pushups until the drill instructors get tired of walking around, etc.). And after you finish basic training, then depending on what special training program you take after that you get to have all the S.H.I.T. (Strenuous Health Intensive Training, of course) you want. Don't forget war. When war rolls around you get to be either 1. very bored 2. very scared or 3. very shot at. It's not likely that you'll have too much of this, but it's best to be prepared. If that sounds worth the self discipline then go right ahead. I, for one, am glad that I'm a diabetic and thus outcast from the army.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
Originally posted by Razorback Wow I can tell your not speaking from experience. The Army requires and teaches you to treat your fellow soldier and even the enemy with respect and dignity. Its funny how often we got told that its actually civillians who have no respect for each other and treat each other badly. Now having served and come out I see it was true. My team mates from my service days are the best and most trustworthy people I know. I would trust them with my life... more than I can say for any civilians I can think of. "Its all about the man next to you" Hoot from Black Hawk Down.
It's this elitist attitude that gives the infantry branches a bad name. If you don't know any civilians you can trust with your life, then you need to get some new civilian friends. I can think of plenty of ex-military guys I wouldn't trust with my life. It swings both ways dude.
The Army only programs you, it doesn't teach you. There's a difference.
Again I can tell your not speaking from experience... Assuming you know what goes on in the military because you have watched full metal jacket is one thing. Knowing what goes on and the bonds that are formed is another...
In reality you are putting your life in the hands of a soldier as we speak. Thats the facts of life my friend. Countries choose to have trained military personell protecting civillians, rather than just giving civillians guns and letting them fend for themselves. The military are trained (not programmed) to protect life as well as take it. Civillians are trained to make hamburgers to feed the soldiers so they can go back to protecting the civillians with a full belly. If your not happy with being one of the protected, join the protectors, you will feel much better about yourself.
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The military can be one of the most rewarding experiences you ever have. It will change your life and the way you think about things.
I didn't read the other posts and don't feel the need to. I am a veteran and proud of my peace time service. You will meet friends that you will keep for the rest of your life. You will experience things that you could only just imagine. You will have bad times, but you will have good times. It is a job and a very serious one, just always remember that they are your boss, except you can't just get fired, you are in there through thick and thin.
If you talk to a recruiter, get everything in writing that they promise you, even if it seems mundane. If you score a 70 or higher on you ASVAB get a signing bonus. Find a job that means money when you get out. Being infantry seems great and all, it just has no pratical applications after the military.
Speak with friends that have gone in, or maybe even family members. Ask lots of questions and learn as much as you can about every job. If you don't want to get in the action, I would suggest the US Navy, if you score high enough you could go electronics technician, which will be great outside the armed forces. ET also has many shore based jobs, which would secure your longevity.
Just be safe and represent your country with pride and honor.
My dad was 20+ years as an army diver. It's not likely you'd get any combat action there - just strict salvaging, repairing, building and anything else you can think of in an underwater environment. There's still a ton to learn and it's got its perils as well (ie. the bends, sharks, collapsing equipment, etc).
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
Originally posted by Phoenixs One question to the original thread starter: Do you have a education?
I think you will find its "an" education
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LOL, I loved the comment about civilians being there just to make hamburgers for the soldiers... My original statement stands, especially up against that incomprehensible jibber jabber.
There are plenty of jobs you could have that give you an experience you can't even imagine, good times and bad, and giving you friends you will keep the rest of your life. Except those other jobs don't require brainwashing, unwavering committment of your body and mind into the hands of dubious intentions, and indentured servitude.
The only disadvantage to those other jobs is they don't have over one half of the U.S. Treasury as the bank roll.
Originally posted by Dregard44 I was considering joining the army, But figured I should ask the opinions of fellow gamers . Im in very good physical condition. And.. Have absolutly no structer, or discpline . I more or less was wondering if it would be a good idea or not ^.^ or if anyone has had any experience with the army they would like to share? ^.^ Im 18 btw
Join the Coast Guard or Air Force if you can. Safer, same access to learning advanced skills you can use for a civilian job later. Service is just as honorable.
Originally posted by aeric67 My original statement stands, especially up against that incomprehensible jibber jabber.
They can even teach you how to read in the military, sounds like you need it.
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Fake edit: To each their own, dude. But a response like that stinks of programming (and arrogance), not teaching. When it comes to life outside the microcosm that is the military, you may find it's good to ask yourself why you believe in certain things. If you can't answer why, then "why" do you believe in them? Do they work for you somehow? You know, computers are programmed and they don't know nor question why they do what they do. Sound familiar?
But if you do know why, then hell, let's hear it... or not.
Joining the Army doesnt necessarily mean you're going to go overseas and into war. Did you know that 70% of the US military is stationed right here in the good ol US?
I went into the US Army at 18 and it was the most rewarding experience I ever had. My only mistake was getting out when my time was up. Now I'm 38 and not sure they'd take me back.
So I say go for it! Man it's an honor to be a Veteran!
Army. Right now you get a 20,000 dollar sign-on bonus, recieving it after basic training. My brother JUST shipped off to basic yesterday. He isn't in the best shape, so trying for the Airborne division. If you are in good shape, the best bet is the Navy. There are many engineer/technical posistions availiable. As i see it, all the power to whoever has the **** to sign up. I was going too, but I have this thing where I hate everything government related.
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Wow I can tell your not speaking from experience.
The Army requires and teaches you to treat your fellow soldier and even the enemy with respect and dignity. Its funny how often we got told that its actually civillians who have no respect for each other and treat each other badly. Now having served and come out I see it was true. My team mates from my service days are the best and most trustworthy people I know. I would trust them with my life... more than I can say for any civilians I can think of.
"Its all about the man next to you" Hoot from Black Hawk Down.
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
Actually the UCMJ (Universal Code of Military Justice) is far more strict than the laws we as citizens are held to. I could go into examples, but trust me, in almost EVERY aspect of life you have less freedom as a soldier than you do as a citizen.
As for joining the reserves because they get to do nothing...uh, most the people serving in Iraq and Afganistan right now, at this very moment, are reservists. I know 3 of them personally.
As for military people treating each other like shit, well, yes and no. But I don't think thats exclusive to the military. I think anytime you join a LARGE organization you deal with that dynamic. There are assholes in every organization and cool people too.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
I wouldnt join the army unless it was my last resort or they really needed more men. If I joined any of them I would probably join the marines.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
Heh, on the night before I left Houston for Ft. Benning, GA (Infantry Command). I learned something interesting. People going into all 4 of the branches ehading out the next day stayed at the same hotel. The marine recruits had only their wallet and the clothes on their backs to take with them. The Army recruits were allowed a small shoulder bag with a change of clothes and some toiletries. The Navy guys had two suitcases with a variety of items, including some entertaintment. The Air Force guys had the same as the NAvy guys but could also have small electronics, like CD players. What this told me was the level of asskicking I was about to take in basic training. And from all accounts I was correct. The marines and army are going to break you down, and then build you back up the way they want you. Alot of who you were will change, you wont be a mindless automoton or anything. They have to do it this way, because you are expected at one point to be in close contact with the enemy, and a willingness to kill and to take orders immediatly are essential to their operations.
The Navy and Air Force, are much more technical and specialized in their training and the chance of close contact with the enemy is reduced thus the less intensive deconstruction of the recruits personality during basic. That's why they took more with them.
Just some thoughts from my experience. Truth be told, I enjoyed my time in the Army, up until I got injured. But there were plenty of people there who did not know what they were getting into, and did some wild things to get kicked out. Just do your research, and know that its not like the propaganda they feed us in commercials. But it can be a good experience.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
It's this elitist attitude that gives the infantry branches a bad name. If you don't know any civilians you can trust with your life, then you need to get some new civilian friends. I can think of plenty of ex-military guys I wouldn't trust with my life. It swings both ways dude.
The Army only programs you, it doesn't teach you. There's a difference.
Well yeah it can be positive. Unless your friggin DIE! We are at war...might want to keep that in mind.
Lol. Yeah. Most people forget about that little part. If you join the army willingly, you are theirs. You are effectively their property. I do think that joining the army would give you a big boost of self discipline (after standing in line inspections for an hour or more straight in the hot sun and having people collapse next to you and doing pushups until the drill instructors get tired of walking around, etc.). And after you finish basic training, then depending on what special training program you take after that you get to have all the S.H.I.T. (Strenuous Health Intensive Training, of course) you want. Don't forget war. When war rolls around you get to be either 1. very bored 2. very scared or 3. very shot at. It's not likely that you'll have too much of this, but it's best to be prepared. If that sounds worth the self discipline then go right ahead. I, for one, am glad that I'm a diabetic and thus outcast from the army.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
It's this elitist attitude that gives the infantry branches a bad name. If you don't know any civilians you can trust with your life, then you need to get some new civilian friends. I can think of plenty of ex-military guys I wouldn't trust with my life. It swings both ways dude.
The Army only programs you, it doesn't teach you. There's a difference.
Again I can tell your not speaking from experience... Assuming you know what goes on in the military because you have watched full metal jacket is one thing. Knowing what goes on and the bonds that are formed is another...
In reality you are putting your life in the hands of a soldier as we speak. Thats the facts of life my friend. Countries choose to have trained military personell protecting civillians, rather than just giving civillians guns and letting them fend for themselves. The military are trained (not programmed) to protect life as well as take it. Civillians are trained to make hamburgers to feed the soldiers so they can go back to protecting the civillians with a full belly. If your not happy with being one of the protected, join the protectors, you will feel much better about yourself.
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
The military can be one of the most rewarding experiences you ever have. It will change your life and the way you think about things.
I didn't read the other posts and don't feel the need to. I am a veteran and proud of my peace time service.
You will meet friends that you will keep for the rest of your life.
You will experience things that you could only just imagine.
You will have bad times, but you will have good times.
It is a job and a very serious one, just always remember that they are your boss, except you can't just get fired, you are in there through thick and thin.
If you talk to a recruiter, get everything in writing that they promise you, even if it seems mundane.
If you score a 70 or higher on you ASVAB get a signing bonus. Find a job that means money when you get out. Being infantry seems great and all, it just has no pratical applications after the military.
Speak with friends that have gone in, or maybe even family members. Ask lots of questions and learn as much as you can about every job. If you don't want to get in the action, I would suggest the US Navy, if you score high enough you could go electronics technician, which will be great outside the armed forces. ET also has many shore based jobs, which would secure your longevity.
Just be safe and represent your country with pride and honor.
Good luck
~Disstress
One question to the original thread starter: Do you have an education?
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
LOL, I loved the comment about civilians being there just to make hamburgers for the soldiers... My original statement stands, especially up against that incomprehensible jibber jabber.
There are plenty of jobs you could have that give you an experience you can't even imagine, good times and bad, and giving you friends you will keep the rest of your life. Except those other jobs don't require brainwashing, unwavering committment of your body and mind into the hands of dubious intentions, and indentured servitude.
The only disadvantage to those other jobs is they don't have over one half of the U.S. Treasury as the bank roll.
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
Nice ad hom... Can they "teach" me that too?
Fake edit: To each their own, dude. But a response like that stinks of programming (and arrogance), not teaching. When it comes to life outside the microcosm that is the military, you may find it's good to ask yourself why you believe in certain things. If you can't answer why, then "why" do you believe in them? Do they work for you somehow? You know, computers are programmed and they don't know nor question why they do what they do. Sound familiar?
But if you do know why, then hell, let's hear it... or not.
Joining the Army doesnt necessarily mean you're going to go overseas and into war. Did you know that 70% of the US military is stationed right here in the good ol US?
I went into the US Army at 18 and it was the most rewarding experience I ever had. My only mistake was getting out when my time was up. Now I'm 38 and not sure they'd take me back.
So I say go for it! Man it's an honor to be a Veteran!
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