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I've spent a considerable amount of my life in the countries in question, and this very much mirrors the views and attitudes I've seen in every day life.
As a developer I'd be very wary in mixing these cultures (all of which are very distinct in terms of language, culture, architecture and customs) in a location that's meant to represent just one of the countries. Mix and match all of them and make the place an unnamed location - fair enough, that works. But mix and match all of them and use them to represent the location of just one of the cultures - a bad mistake in my opinion.
1 question, are you Korean?
Yes the dislike in Japan / china lingers but we don't 'hate' them.
Pick up a newspaper in Korea, good luck in figuring out what the heck it is saying without knowing chinese.
http://studyofenglish.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/jejunewspaper19890814.jpg
Inaccurate protrayal of cities happens in games all the time.
I mean, how many times was 'New York' in a game / movie? How many times was it 100% accurate?
I don't get why anyone would bash a game just because they don't get the city it is suppose to be 100%.
I moved to NZ 5 years ago from Seoul. I was born / raised in Busan and Seoul and my parents are both Korean.
What the heck, this must be what Obama felt like. :P
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Yeah because Japanese only live in Japan and Koreans only live in Korea, you surely should be the one to talk about falacy and validity. By the way i live in India because i work for Google and i am stationed in India for 6 months before i move to Singapore and then back home to Paris.
You guys crack me up really.
As far as your example of India and Pakistan mixing things up they are very much the same and influence of movies, literature, music, clothes, food is so inter twined you wouldn't be able to seperate the two if you like.
Ok, fair enough. It did look like you're one of those persons who when they decide they dislike a game, they start bash campaigns that can keep on for months, because I saw a lot of your posts fly by and they were ALL negative, but if you're respectful enough and don't intend to keep campaigning for months, I see that I'm wrong. I have no problem with someone disliking a game I like, everyone's simply different, it's the bash and hate campaigners that go on for weeks and months that get annoying. Mind you though, there are other GW2 fan(boi)s or FC/TSW 'critics' that really do go on for weeks to months, almost every post they make targeted to trash a game they dislike.
Oh, if the whole 'virulent TSW fans that troll on GW2 forums that haven't even played GW2' was a reference to me: I have played GW2, don't think I've been trolling GW2 forums (although I felt tempted to when I saw GW2 fanbois constantly trashing TSW in extreme over-the-top ways) and I intend to play GW2 as well when it comes out, have been a GW fan since its earliest betas in 2004.
Again you dont realize why any of that information hurts your argument? You who do not live or participate in the cultures in question, yet make a claim ethnically regarding them. The point is your perspective is biased from an outsiders perspective based on the fact you claim you live elsewhere. This, whether you like it or not, does not help the validity of your OPINION.
"you guys crack me up really". Please act your age.
And you conveniently ignore the main point of my post... as I said, you can check my post history. I'm not one of those people.
And about the maturity of TSW players... sorry, but I didn't see any difference with any other MMORPG community. As I said, a good number of them regularly go on the GW2 forums just to start trouble. Great, mature behavior. Not saying some GW2 players are better, as I said, all communities are pretty much the same, but you shouldn't play the victim card either.
As long as I'm playing the game, I'm gonna give my opinion on it. When I'm no longer playing (as of Monday obviously), and if I decide it's not worth buying, you won't see me here again. Sounds fair, doesn't it? If it doesn't, well, you're going to have to accept it anyway.
End of this discussion for me - back to The Secret World.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
The shame is beta weekend ends today and the game doesn't release for a few more weeks.
I love it! It's exactly the game I've been waiting for since the original Asheron's Call. No levels, skill based, use the skills you want, modern setting, with some horror thrown in. Perfect!
Korea and Japan both have origins in China. There's literally nothing of value pointing out that Korean and Japanese newspapers use Kanji....
That's like trying to tie Germany and America together because the english script uses some germanic characters or words, or even Greek for that matter if we're getting into the alphabet.
I'm merely pointing out the reason behind the potential controversy.
Calling your bluff here. There's four places with Chinese (Japanese?) characters on that pic, mostly names. Note that I'm saying possibly Japanese, because the characters in question are traditional characters, which are not used in northern China (geographically closest to Korea). Anyone knowing only Korean would do just fine reading that newspaper.
Dude you sure love to assume things don't you? my cousins haven't been to Japan all their lives and they are born and brought up in Paris and they are as much in touch with Japanese culture as any other Japanese living in Japan. My mother is Japanese and my Dad is of Indian origin. he was born ad brought up in Germany and yet he is the most Indian guy i have ever met in my life.
A person can pariticipate in his / her culture even though he is living abroad. It is not impossible ; and a lot of kids are brought up this way living on foriegn lands and yet in touch with their culture and traditions.
I am beginning to doubt your age now if you can't even understand something so basic. Or you have just lost touch with reality completely.
Next time....just press B. Trust me, there will be a next time. xD
Can you give clear examples of this inaccurate cultural mix and matching taking place in games or is that just an assumption on your part with nothing objective to base it upon?
Secondly, the fallacy of your comment about New York is that it is a city founded on mixed immigration. Its what makes NY unique and "american". Was Seoul founded by mixed cultures fleeing their respective nations or was it a historically korean development with a lot of history?
Btw please stop bringing politics into it, its just going to get everyone taking the discussion in a completely different direction.
Ah, Busan
Since I learnt of Kpop and Korean variety shows, I've seen a lot pass by of Korean cities and culture, daebak!
And yeah, I didn't see much hatred for Japan or China anymore in what could be seen in current Korea. Just like there isn't some slow burning hatred for Germans in all of the population of other Western European countries because of WWII.
Cultures don't radically shift in 5 years.
Unless you are going to tell me I did not 'live' in Korean Culture (wtf? What was I doing for the past 25 years in Seoul/Busan then).
Back to OP, this game looks pretty good to be honest. I reject that it'll be 'niche' and think it can have a solid following.
Will this game get 11 million players? Probably not.
Will it fail? Could be but I can see a good game (least the background / game mechanics looks cool) that can have a solid launch.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Nice impressions piece, kudos. I like it how, even if you've decided the game isn't for you, you still manage to not resort into black&white extreme negatives as some do when they dislike a game, nor extreme positives.
Seoul is controversy!!!
1. Love the environment graphics and the story.
2. Dislike the character models, animations, and combat.
3. Yeah the Chinese and Japanese atmosphere in Seoul is a little wierd. "Offensive" might be a strong word for it. It's a bad habit of creators (writers, directors, level designers) to mix and match cultures that they aren't familiar with. It basically says "Hey this game is for western countries and they don't know the difference between these different cultures and languages so we'll just mix and match it up." It's a little wierd, bordering on offensive.
It's like if this game was being developed by a chinsese gaming company and they put Hong Kong, Seattle, Toronto, Rio De Janeiro, and London in the game as city hubs. They're all great, but London is filled with mostly Irish people with Irish accents, the street signs are in gaelic, mixed in with norwegians, with street signs in norwegian, and viking warriors. Wierd.
But it's just a game.
Did you play Dragons Dogma?
Its what Capcom thinks "Western Fantasy" means, where everyone speaks in "ye olde" english.
Japanese developers are known for their inaccurate portrayals of western culture for forever:
Cut the TSW guys some slack.
Heh, you should see the Japanese anime series. They've as good as ALL, even the good ones, funny portrayals of Europe and European cultures and cities. It's more funny, not really offensive, and there's some great anime among them.
Think the guy took it personal.
It would be ok for those Japanese developers if my kiddos Saturday morning wasn't corrupted by them. lol
Its what im talking about.
Some cultural inaccuracy didn't kill anyone.
Go watch some Legend of Koizumi.
I thought TSW was bloody brilliant. Amazing story, (much better than SW:TOR), funny dialogue I want to listen to, engaging world, amazing atmosphere, alright gameplay, deep and interesting quests.
Just overall a pretty magnificent game, much much more enjoyable than the boring generic fantasy GW2 in my opinion. (Though of course, each to their own)
Im sorry to call you out on this, but you really have no idea what youre talking about. When you choose Dragon, you are dropped of in Bukchon Hanok Village, which is one of Seoul's oldest cities and reflects quite accurately what Seoul looks like today. They even have familiar Seoul skyscrapers in the background.
So before you decide to go on a multiple thread rant about authenticity, do a little research first. Because you are pretty much your own stereotype right now.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Damn thats exactly the reason I left WoW, once I'd got to 85 and done it all seen it all, all I had left where dailies, and life suddenly becomes dull very very fast.
People talking down to this game now are either payed by other developerrs to do so, manic depressed or have no life.
To judge the game, I would only listen to previews (and reviews) and combine them with my own experience.
Please check your reading comprehension skills. My opinion is what I call a minor annoyance based on the imagery. As an artist who makes such content, I am also speaking from that perspective. To call my opinion a rant when its a small thing people like you like to jump on is getting a bit rediculous.
I would argue that for that very reason, the historic korean landmarks, which become more recognizable should not be converted into generic asian themed level design. You are free to disgree, but just dont be an ass about it.