It just got released, and all my friends are buying items for real cash to prepare inferno mode,
one of them bought a crossbow for $75 real cash wtf. For this stupid lame ass game holy hell.
Another friend bought a chest piece for $50. brilliant blizzard well played well played.
it boggles my mind why woudl you buy items for tons of cash.
Welcome to the club LOL
But yeah your friends are not very smart LOL ( I was thinking more on the line of " Idiots " but you get the drift ) remember , don't loan them any money ! LOL
but those prices are fairly cheap? Considering some of the prices I've seen were in the range of 100-350,400 bucks.
Max price on the RMAH is 250, so no, you haven't seen 350-400 buck items.
I love threads like this, especially all the people who are hating on the RMAH. Yeah, it is pay to win. But really, what are you winning in reality? Bragging rights around your friends? "Hey guys check out this cool item I paid for with real money!" The game is not really a competitive game so don't make it out to be. Yes, there will be PvP and you can say it will be "Pay to win" at that point, but the big part of the game is cooperative not pvp. The greatest part about this thread is all the people claiming that Blizzard is putting items up themselves by "creating them" and putting up the auctions or "seeding them". Hilarious.
Blizzard is a well known gaming company with a great reputation for community support and well recieved games. They will not screw that up by trying to post auctions just to inflate there pockets. If you can prove to me that they are doing this then go for it, by all means. Prove it. Otherwise leave your useless arguments to attack the RMAH to something more realistic, like "oh it's pay to win!"
Personally I would never buy an item off the RMAH, but it does not mean I won't use the hell out of it. I have already made over 100$ on it myself. This is one of the best ideas Blizzard has come up with in my eyes. It basically allows the consumers and the developers to make money with the game. The consumers get to play a video game and make money off it. The developers get more money to continue to produce content. Wins all around if you ask me.
yea why hate it? it's all cool what game companies do these days
and while at it suggest your government to sell crack to lil kids as it is happening anyways...
they would just make it safer right?
just because something "happens" doesn't mean it should be picked up, supported and brought to the wide public
Last I checked, RMAH isn't breaking any laws.
And did you really compare RMAH with 'sell crack to lil kids'? REALLY?
If people are willing to do X and it doesn't hurt anyone else, making it safe to do 'X' is actually a good thing.
well let's see:
rmt ---> in most games bannable offense "illegal" within the game world ---> blizzard now made it a supported feature with their ah and takes fee on sales
drugs ---> most rl govs rate it illegal "bannable offense" within gov borders ---> gov declares drugs are legal and takes tax on sales
yes i compare selling crack to kids with rmt items to gamers
both can be dangerous for health and money for ppl whose mind is let's say not so mature
or do you want to tell me ppl buying pixel items with rl money are compeltly sane?
ppl are willing to do x and not hurt anyone? does drug abuse usually hurt anyone but the person him/herself ?
rmt ---> in most games bannable offense "illegal" within the game world ---> blizzard now made it a supported feature with their ah takes and fee on sales
drugs ---> most rl govs rate it illegal "bannable offense" within gov borders ---> gov declares drugs are legal and takes tax on sales
yes i compare selling crack to kids with rmt items to gamers
both can be dangerous for health and money for ppl whose mind is let's say not so mature
or do you want to tell me ppl buying pixel items with rl money are compeltly sane?
ppl are willing to do x and not hurt anyone? does drug abuse usually hurt anyone but the person him/herself ?
Hahaha, wow.
I am speechless at this.
I buy pixel items with RL money and I consider myself sane. I'm pretty sure the millions that bought TF2 hats, LoL Skins, BF3 maps, COD maps, Xbox360 avatar items etc etc as well.
I mean really, this is 2012. Paying for digitial goods isn't exaclty 'new'.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
If your willing to spend your hard earned money on digital gratification, have at it. I will farm all the items you want, you just keep forking out that cash.
If GW2 would bring one weapon into it's Gem Store with moderate stats to it (not even the best) there would be riots everywhere.
(...)
Maybe there would be riots everywhere, but you can already use gems to buy weapons. All you have to do is to convert your gems into gold then use the world-wide "auction" system to buy crafted mats/directly buy weapons.
In fact, it is very similar to what Diablo III is doing; however, the difference in power which can be "bought" is assumed to be significantely lower in GW2 than in Diablo III.
While I don't have any issues with people using RMT in online games I do think that any game that allows/support this isn't balanced. The idea behind virtual games and virtual worlds is that you can only acquire items/levels by being online and actually using/playing the virtual world. Bringing something that's outside of the virtual world just makes it completely unbalanced.
So what about people who don't have time to play?
A) Don't play online games.
Progress slower than people who invest more time in the game.
Your personal wealth shouldn't affect any virtual worlds. Unfortunately the line is starting to blur and there are only few balanced online games out there at the moment.
Selling power through RMT will be the downfall of online games
If GW2 would bring one weapon into it's Gem Store with moderate stats to it (not even the best) there would be riots everywhere.
(...)
Maybe there would be riots everywhere, but you can already use gems to buy weapons. All you have to do is to convert your gems into gold then use the world-wide "auction" system to buy crafted mats/directly buy weapons.
In fact, it is very similar to what Diablo III is doing; however, the difference in power which can be "bought" is assumed to be significantely lower in GW2 than in Diablo III.
Not really considering the stats on gear is completely neglegant in GW2 compared to every game, which means it absolutely means nothing which gear you have. Secondly and i love how everyone forgets this, one can farm gems in the game. Yes they have a system in place similar to Turbines store point system in LOTRO where you can simply farm gems to get the items from the store for free, sure it takes longer but it's still an option most people overlook since we have the instant gratification thoughts in this generation.
D3 you can't really do that, because the games engine is ridiculous when it comes to crafted items stats needed for end game (hell etc levels) and since they made the change to the item dropping scripts often you are left with nothing useful over and over and over again whereas in GW2 you get a drop for everyone who participated and everyone can use those drops because they are for your class. D3 forces you to use the AH.
Hmm . . hard mode is too hard so instead of playing on an easier setting I will spend money and play hard mode.. . . real cash. . or a difficulty slider.. . take my money!
I buy pixel items with RL money and I consider myself sane.
thats your opinion...
I dunno man, considering you equate 'selling drugs to children' with 'selling virtual items'..
I see a lot of stuff on this forum but my god; that was probably the worst comparision I've ever seen.
Once again, this is 2012 and lots of people pay $$$ for digitial goods. Heck, I just bought an album from Itunes and a game from Steam today.
In most cases drugs are a much more serious problem. But the principle is the same anyway. Just like its much worse to steal $100000 comped to stealing $100. But its wrong anyway. And its still stealing in both cases.
Imagine a teenager that is using his parents CC and wasting a fortune buying gear. Or perhaps someone older that cant stop himself because of addictive behaviour and personality. And perhaps he will use the CC until the CC-company close it and he will be in debt for years. And try to get a new CC after that and start all over again. I think that is bad enough. And not something a company should exploit for profit.
It is a bit like gambling and going to a casino. Some people cant handle that and will waste everything they own. Just one more time they think..over and over. Until they are broke and in debt. In a RMAH the same type of individual will think "just one more item"...
While I don't have any issues with people using RMT in online games I do think that any game that allows/support this isn't balanced. The idea behind virtual games and virtual worlds is that you can only acquire items/levels by being online and actually using/playing the virtual world. Bringing something that's outside of the virtual world just makes it completely unbalanced.
So what about people who don't have time to play?
A) Don't play online games.
Progress slower than people who invest more time in the game.
Your personal wealth shouldn't affect any virtual worlds. Unfortunately the line is starting to blur and there are only few balanced online games out there at the moment.
Selling power through RMT will be the downfall of online games
and
getting something faster than others is power.
*rolls eyes*
Yeah, yeah, we heard you. And you know what? Nobody cares what's your "idea behind virtual worlds". Your model of gaming has lost and is disappearing like Dodo. Don't like it? A) Don't play online games ... Well, there is no B for you.
I suppose those are investments ..... right? To be fair the Diablo 3 players can turn around and sell their newly purchased items when they out level them. Cutting losses and potentially making a profit.
Blizzard wanted a piece of the pie and they got it.
Someone who plays golf gladly pays 100's on a good set of golf clubs to try help improve their game. Those golf clubs are pretty useless outside of the game as they have only one real purpose; for playing golf. Same with any 'game'.
Just because it's virtual doesn't change this aspect in any way. People invest money into their fav hobbies.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
As long as their are fools willing to buy what I put up on AH I will keep putting more up. I have already covered the cost of the game so I'm not complaining.
I still can't believe people pay a lot for items, I sell all my legendary high level drops for under $15 and sold over 10 items already.
If GW2 would bring one weapon into it's Gem Store with moderate stats to it (not even the best) there would be riots everywhere.
(...)
Maybe there would be riots everywhere, but you can already use gems to buy weapons. All you have to do is to convert your gems into gold then use the world-wide "auction" system to buy crafted mats/directly buy weapons.
In fact, it is very similar to what Diablo III is doing; however, the difference in power which can be "bought" is assumed to be significantely lower in GW2 than in Diablo III.
Not really considering the stats on gear is completely neglegant in GW2 compared to every game, which means it absolutely means nothing which gear you have. Secondly and i love how everyone forgets this, one can farm gems in the game. Yes they have a system in place similar to Turbines store point system in LOTRO where you can simply farm gems to get the items from the store for free, sure it takes longer but it's still an option most people overlook since we have the instant gratification thoughts in this generation.
D3 you can't really do that, because the games engine is ridiculous when it comes to crafted items stats needed for end game (hell etc levels) and since they made the change to the item dropping scripts often you are left with nothing useful over and over and over again whereas in GW2 you get a drop for everyone who participated and everyone can use those drops because they are for your class. D3 forces you to use the AH.
Yup, everytime I hear someone compare D3's RMAH to GW2's AH they always conveniently forget and/or ignore that. From what I've seen so far in the GW2 AH, there's not much that I'm interested in, the little that I would want I'm going to farm the gems and get for free.
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Max price on the RMAH is 250, so no, you haven't seen 350-400 buck items.
I love threads like this, especially all the people who are hating on the RMAH. Yeah, it is pay to win. But really, what are you winning in reality? Bragging rights around your friends? "Hey guys check out this cool item I paid for with real money!" The game is not really a competitive game so don't make it out to be. Yes, there will be PvP and you can say it will be "Pay to win" at that point, but the big part of the game is cooperative not pvp. The greatest part about this thread is all the people claiming that Blizzard is putting items up themselves by "creating them" and putting up the auctions or "seeding them". Hilarious.
Blizzard is a well known gaming company with a great reputation for community support and well recieved games. They will not screw that up by trying to post auctions just to inflate there pockets. If you can prove to me that they are doing this then go for it, by all means. Prove it. Otherwise leave your useless arguments to attack the RMAH to something more realistic, like "oh it's pay to win!"
Personally I would never buy an item off the RMAH, but it does not mean I won't use the hell out of it. I have already made over 100$ on it myself. This is one of the best ideas Blizzard has come up with in my eyes. It basically allows the consumers and the developers to make money with the game. The consumers get to play a video game and make money off it. The developers get more money to continue to produce content. Wins all around if you ask me.
Here's a question...
Since the Gold Sellers are selling 1 Million gold at $12 or something, and most items are on Auction house for 5-10 Million...
And most of the Items on the RMAH are priced at around 70-250 Dollars...
Wouldn it be cheaper for me to buy the gold from the sellers and buy it on the Gold AH rather than the RMAH?
Sure it would be 'safer' to buy the legit way, but if its so much cheaper buying gold, why wouldnt people just do that instead?
Way to fix the Gold Selling problem there Blizz....
"The problem with quotes from the Internet is that it's almost impossible to validate their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
Blizzard can't solve people doing stupid things.
All they can do is offer a safer way to do XYZ.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
well let's see:
rmt ---> in most games bannable offense "illegal" within the game world ---> blizzard now made it a supported feature with their ah and takes fee on sales
drugs ---> most rl govs rate it illegal "bannable offense" within gov borders ---> gov declares drugs are legal and takes tax on sales
yes i compare selling crack to kids with rmt items to gamers
both can be dangerous for health and money for ppl whose mind is let's say not so mature
or do you want to tell me ppl buying pixel items with rl money are compeltly sane?
ppl are willing to do x and not hurt anyone? does drug abuse usually hurt anyone but the person him/herself ?
edit: typo
Hahaha, wow.
I am speechless at this.
I buy pixel items with RL money and I consider myself sane. I'm pretty sure the millions that bought TF2 hats, LoL Skins, BF3 maps, COD maps, Xbox360 avatar items etc etc as well.
I mean really, this is 2012. Paying for digitial goods isn't exaclty 'new'.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
thats your opinion...
I dunno man, considering you equate 'selling drugs to children' with 'selling virtual items'..
I see a lot of stuff on this forum but my god; that was probably the worst comparision I've ever seen.
Once again, this is 2012 and lots of people pay $$$ for digitial goods. Heck, I just bought an album from Itunes and a game from Steam today.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
you criticize my comparison but put stuff like music and games on the same level as in game items likely farmed by a bot and spawned by an algorithm?
Heh , that's a whole lot of BS , AH + real money is never succesful when you end up buying , you'll always end up a loser.
My hats off to those making money off the real money AH.
To those buying though ; a real shame.
i have a feeling there is going to be some consequences to this idk what but something will go wrong it always does on these sorta things
I look at it like this.
If your willing to spend your hard earned money on digital gratification, have at it. I will farm all the items you want, you just keep forking out that cash.
Maybe there would be riots everywhere, but you can already use gems to buy weapons. All you have to do is to convert your gems into gold then use the world-wide "auction" system to buy crafted mats/directly buy weapons.
In fact, it is very similar to what Diablo III is doing; however, the difference in power which can be "bought" is assumed to be significantely lower in GW2 than in Diablo III.
I don't see how this is any different from Diablo 2. Except you don't have to use a third party site to do it.
And whenever i decide to quit D3 i'll just sell all my items and gold for real cash, without any risk at all
While I don't have any issues with people using RMT in online games I do think that any game that allows/support this isn't balanced. The idea behind virtual games and virtual worlds is that you can only acquire items/levels by being online and actually using/playing the virtual world. Bringing something that's outside of the virtual world just makes it completely unbalanced.
So what about people who don't have time to play?
A) Don't play online games.
Your personal wealth shouldn't affect any virtual worlds. Unfortunately the line is starting to blur and there are only few balanced online games out there at the moment.
Selling power through RMT will be the downfall of online games
and
getting something faster than others is power.
Not really considering the stats on gear is completely neglegant in GW2 compared to every game, which means it absolutely means nothing which gear you have. Secondly and i love how everyone forgets this, one can farm gems in the game. Yes they have a system in place similar to Turbines store point system in LOTRO where you can simply farm gems to get the items from the store for free, sure it takes longer but it's still an option most people overlook since we have the instant gratification thoughts in this generation.
D3 you can't really do that, because the games engine is ridiculous when it comes to crafted items stats needed for end game (hell etc levels) and since they made the change to the item dropping scripts often you are left with nothing useful over and over and over again whereas in GW2 you get a drop for everyone who participated and everyone can use those drops because they are for your class. D3 forces you to use the AH.
Hmm . . hard mode is too hard so instead of playing on an easier setting I will spend money and play hard mode.. . . real cash. . or a difficulty slider.. . take my money!
Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!
In most cases drugs are a much more serious problem. But the principle is the same anyway. Just like its much worse to steal $100000 comped to stealing $100. But its wrong anyway. And its still stealing in both cases.
Imagine a teenager that is using his parents CC and wasting a fortune buying gear. Or perhaps someone older that cant stop himself because of addictive behaviour and personality. And perhaps he will use the CC until the CC-company close it and he will be in debt for years. And try to get a new CC after that and start all over again. I think that is bad enough. And not something a company should exploit for profit.
It is a bit like gambling and going to a casino. Some people cant handle that and will waste everything they own. Just one more time they think..over and over. Until they are broke and in debt. In a RMAH the same type of individual will think "just one more item"...
*rolls eyes*
Yeah, yeah, we heard you. And you know what? Nobody cares what's your "idea behind virtual worlds". Your model of gaming has lost and is disappearing like Dodo. Don't like it? A) Don't play online games
... Well, there is no B for you.
$50 ......... $75 .......... meh
If that's what they choose to do with their monies, so be it. Who am I to judge.
Now these folks on the other hand ...... really make me wonder.
$26500
$100000
$635000
I suppose those are investments ..... right? To be fair the Diablo 3 players can turn around and sell their newly purchased items when they out level them. Cutting losses and potentially making a profit.
Blizzard wanted a piece of the pie and they got it.
~Hairysun
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Here's my view on buying game items.
Someone who plays golf gladly pays 100's on a good set of golf clubs to try help improve their game. Those golf clubs are pretty useless outside of the game as they have only one real purpose; for playing golf. Same with any 'game'.
Just because it's virtual doesn't change this aspect in any way. People invest money into their fav hobbies.
As long as their are fools willing to buy what I put up on AH I will keep putting more up. I have already covered the cost of the game so I'm not complaining.
I still can't believe people pay a lot for items, I sell all my legendary high level drops for under $15 and sold over 10 items already.
Yup, everytime I hear someone compare D3's RMAH to GW2's AH they always conveniently forget and/or ignore that. From what I've seen so far in the GW2 AH, there's not much that I'm interested in, the little that I would want I'm going to farm the gems and get for free.
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