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  • SaxonbladeSaxonblade Member Posts: 275
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I doubt ANet really cares to any significant degree about MoP or it's release. They're not targetting the same audience and would actually benefit from MoP being released at a closer time since it would slow down the WoW crowd from transitioning over, easing the launch a little. GW2 is already being expected to sell over 3 million copies by years end, so if they're spread out over the couple months it takes for one group to tire of pandas that's actually a good thing overall.

     

    WoW players are not the only ones that will be playing GW2. Those interested in both will still come around soon enough... there's no subscription fee to battle over.

    Sorry I disagree, Anet has already said they are going after WoW and unless they can lure a portion of the WoW player base away there is no way they will beat WoW. Any gaming company in their right mind would not launch around a blizz release, but keep telling yourself otherwise, 6.3 million copies of D3 should shed somelight on the subject.

    They didn't say they're going after WoW. They're going after the title of being #1. That doesn't necessarily mean taking all WoW's subscribers, nor does it have to happen overnight. WoW players aren't the only gamers out there.

    If you added up all the other gamers out there that do not play WoW you still would not have 8-10 mill, so how is going for #1 not going after WoW? You need to lure WoW players away or Anet will have zero chance to be #1, dem are the facts like it or not WoW is top dog.

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  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    Originally posted by tordurbar
    Originally posted by Edeus

    What do you think of the idea that MoP won't be released until a firm release date on GW2 is set.  But that GW2 won't be released until a firm date on MoP is set?

    The idea humors me....

    I do not believe so. MOP is much closer to release than GW2.  After playing the beta I would say that MOP can definitely make a holiday time release and that is my bet when it will be released.

    With two out of the 5 races not in BWE yet I find it hard to believe that GW2 will be coming out this year much less near the "Thanksgiving" time as is a current speculation. Yes, from playing the BWE weekends GW2 is looking very good but... GW2 has been in development for how many years and 40% of your races not available?  My guess is that GW2 is a 2013 release.

    /facepalm

     

    Everything is in the game. They're choosing not to release the Asura or Sylvari simply because they want most of the game to be new on release. Investors in S. Korea are being encouraged to by NCSoft stock based on Blade and Soul as well as GW2 being released in Q3. When you're talking about advice that can/will move millions of dollars plus around, you don't survive in the industry long on wild-arsed guesses.

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I doubt ANet really cares to any significant degree about MoP or it's release. They're not targetting the same audience and would actually benefit from MoP being released at a closer time since it would slow down the WoW crowd from transitioning over, easing the launch a little. GW2 is already being expected to sell over 3 million copies by years end, so if they're spread out over the couple months it takes for one group to tire of pandas that's actually a good thing overall.

     

    WoW players are not the only ones that will be playing GW2. Those interested in both will still come around soon enough... there's no subscription fee to battle over.

    Sorry I disagree, Anet has already said they are going after WoW and unless they can lure a portion of the WoW player base away there is no way they will beat WoW. Any gaming company in their right mind would not launch around a blizz release, but keep telling yourself otherwise, 6.3 million copies of D3 should shed somelight on the subject.

    They didn't say they're going after WoW. They're going after the title of being #1. That doesn't necessarily mean taking all WoW's subscribers, nor does it have to happen overnight. WoW players aren't the only gamers out there.

    If you added up all the other gamers out there that do not play WoW you still would not have 8-10 mill, so how is going for #1 not going after WoW? You need to lure WoW players away or Anet will have zero chance to be #1, dem are the facts like it or not WoW is top dog.

    Not disagreeing on WoW being top dog. Just saying they don't need only WoW people, and they don't need them overnight. When people get bored of Pandas, as they do all expansions, some will buy and try GW2. It doesn't have to be on release; it can be a couple months later.

     

    I'm trying to say that timing doesn't matter against WoW. They're projected at over 3 million sales by years end, and that can only go up.

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • RamadarRamadar Member Posts: 167

    NO NO FOR GOD SAKE I DONT WANT WOW PLAYERS IN MY GW 2 PLEASE KEEP THEM AWAY !!!!!

    Evil will always triumph because good is dumb....

  • SaxonbladeSaxonblade Member Posts: 275
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon

     

    I'm trying to say that timing doesn't matter against WoW. They're projected at over 3 million sales by years end, and that can only go up.

    I hope they reach that number but time will tell, anyhow they need another BWE soon..................

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  • tordurbartordurbar Member UncommonPosts: 421
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by tordurbar
    Originally posted by Edeus

    What do you think of the idea that MoP won't be released until a firm release date on GW2 is set.  But that GW2 won't be released until a firm date on MoP is set?

    The idea humors me....

    I do not believe so. MOP is much closer to release than GW2.  After playing the beta I would say that MOP can definitely make a holiday time release and that is my bet when it will be released.

    With two out of the 5 races not in BWE yet I find it hard to believe that GW2 will be coming out this year much less near the "Thanksgiving" time as is a current speculation. Yes, from playing the BWE weekends GW2 is looking very good but... GW2 has been in development for how many years and 40% of your races not available?  My guess is that GW2 is a 2013 release.

    /facepalm

     

    Everything is in the game. They're choosing not to release the Asura or Sylvari simply because they want most of the game to be new on release. Investors in S. Korea are being encouraged to by NCSoft stock based on Blade and Soul as well as GW2 being released in Q3. When you're talking about advice that can/will move millions of dollars plus around, you don't survive in the industry long on wild-arsed guesses.

    Has ANet said that they were not going to include the Asura and Sylvari in the betas? I heard that rumor as well but have not seen any hard evidence to back it up.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by tordurbar
    Originally posted by Edeus

    What do you think of the idea that MoP won't be released until a firm release date on GW2 is set.  But that GW2 won't be released until a firm date on MoP is set?

    The idea humors me....

    I do not believe so. MOP is much closer to release than GW2.  After playing the beta I would say that MOP can definitely make a holiday time release and that is my bet when it will be released.

    With two out of the 5 races not in BWE yet I find it hard to believe that GW2 will be coming out this year much less near the "Thanksgiving" time as is a current speculation. Yes, from playing the BWE weekends GW2 is looking very good but... GW2 has been in development for how many years and 40% of your races not available?  My guess is that GW2 is a 2013 release.

    /facepalm

     

    Everything is in the game. They're choosing not to release the Asura or Sylvari simply because they want most of the game to be new on release. Investors in S. Korea are being encouraged to by NCSoft stock based on Blade and Soul as well as GW2 being released in Q3. When you're talking about advice that can/will move millions of dollars plus around, you don't survive in the industry long on wild-arsed guesses.

    Yeah, I'm going to have to request a link from ANET where they said they plan to "suprise us" with those final two races at release time.

    As for investment advisors giving incorrect advice, actually happens all the time, and for every advisor telling someone to buy NCsoft there will be others saying its a great time to sell.  Both sides will be able to justify their predictions and when one fails to come to pass, they'll back up why they were incorrect and all will be forgotten.

    If there's one thing Blizzard has proven to be is saavy market watchers, and they most definitely would be watching for an opportunity to take some of the wind out of the GW2 sails if the opportunity presents.

    And ANET would be crazy not to keep things close to the vest in order to get the best launch window possible (free of competition from other products)

     

     

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  • adis5005adis5005 Member UncommonPosts: 46
    Originally posted by Mothanos

    Let me tell you that after 8 years of WoW and many servers i have characters on seem to be death or almost death.

    WoW's population combined with summer time let me believe they get a massive decline in subs and things seem to get from bad to worse.

    Half my guild is not waiting for panda bears and pokemon pets.

     

    MoP is going to hit WoW very hard with negative effects, no matter how hard fanboys are screaming how cool MoP is.

    I would still be subbed to WoW when GW2 is out, with Panda's i wont sub for sure.

    It seems most WoW servers are very low populated, and the people on it migrate to big servers like Outland / Stormscale.

    Blizzard doesnt even assist low populated servers as people pay massive amounts of money to transfer their characters away.

     

    I realy hope GW2 is released before MoP :)

    I dunno what realm you play on but my realm ( Kazzak ) is quite full, with a few DS Heroic PuGs shouting for people at all times and 65k+ auctions up.

  • SaxonbladeSaxonblade Member Posts: 275

    As much as I hate to say it, but I will, GW2 launching at the same time as MoP would be a very very bad thing for Anet. Never underestimate the market dominance Blizz has and wants nor naive enough to think Blizz would not want to stomp GW2 into the ground with a same time frame launch.

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  • AldersAlders Member RarePosts: 2,207

    I must be the only person on the planet that's never given a flying fuck about WoW.

     

    That being said, it would be wise for Anet not to launch so close to that junk since they're banking on box sales. 

  • DinastyDinasty Member UncommonPosts: 212
    Originally posted by Saxonblade

    6.3 million copies of D3 should shed somelight on the subject.

    If broken dreams, failed expectations and undelivered promises were light, this would be blinding.

  • MagnetiaMagnetia Member UncommonPosts: 1,015

    I don't think Blizzard are waiting for Anet on this one. They are relying heavily on MoP to be good and they really can't afford to screw up the release by rushing it out the door. The Blizzard name has been tarnished by the release of D3 so screwing the next one probably isn't in their best interest.

    But what do I know? They released D3 with basically (broken) core mechanics and little flavor. Heart of the Swarm is still out there. Let's not forget that. 

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  • EvelknievelEvelknievel Member UncommonPosts: 2,964

    Just release both of them at the same time and get some popcorn. 

    If both were release the same day, the easy winner would be WoW of course, but I doubt the GW2 community would really care anyways, they got their own solid community of fans.

    On another note.

    WoW + Pokemon + Kung Fu Panda = instant win with kids, unfortunately this is where WoW is catering too.

    I like to play WoW here and there, but I don't feel like I am missing much with this new expansion coming out.

    I see myself trying GW2 prior to the WoW expansion anyways if both were released the same week.

  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916
    Originally posted by Ramadar

    NO NO FOR GOD SAKE I DONT WANT WOW PLAYERS IN MY GW 2 PLEASE KEEP THEM AWAY !!!!!

    You never played WoW?

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  • joocheesejoocheese Member Posts: 845
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I doubt ANet really cares to any significant degree about MoP or it's release. They're not targetting the same audience and would actually benefit from MoP being released at a closer time since it would slow down the WoW crowd from transitioning over, easing the launch a little. GW2 is already being expected to sell over 3 million copies by years end, so if they're spread out over the couple months it takes for one group to tire of pandas that's actually a good thing overall.

    WoW players are not the only ones that will be playing GW2. Those interested in both will still come around soon enough... there's no subscription fee to battle over.

    Sorry I disagree, Anet has already said they are going after WoW and unless they can lure a portion of the WoW player base away there is no way they will beat WoW. Any gaming company in their right mind would not launch around a blizz release, but keep telling yourself otherwise, 6.3 million copies of D3 should shed somelight on the subject.

    Saxonblade, can you please provide a link that supports your claim that Anet is going after wow players? (the context here is wow players).

  • joocheesejoocheese Member Posts: 845
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I doubt ANet really cares to any significant degree about MoP or it's release. They're not targetting the same audience and would actually benefit from MoP being released at a closer time since it would slow down the WoW crowd from transitioning over, easing the launch a little. GW2 is already being expected to sell over 3 million copies by years end, so if they're spread out over the couple months it takes for one group to tire of pandas that's actually a good thing overall.

    WoW players are not the only ones that will be playing GW2. Those interested in both will still come around soon enough... there's no subscription fee to battle over.

    Sorry I disagree, Anet has already said they are going after WoW and unless they can lure a portion of the WoW player base away there is no way they will beat WoW. Any gaming company in their right mind would not launch around a blizz release, but keep telling yourself otherwise, 6.3 million copies of D3 should shed somelight on the subject.

    They didn't say they're going after WoW. They're going after the title of being #1. That doesn't necessarily mean taking all WoW's subscribers, nor does it have to happen overnight. WoW players aren't the only gamers out there.

    If you added up all the other gamers out there that do not play WoW you still would not have 8-10 mill, so how is going for #1 not going after WoW? You need to lure WoW players away or Anet will have zero chance to be #1, dem are the facts like it or not WoW is top dog.

    Not disagreeing on WoW being top dog. Just saying they don't need only WoW people, and they don't need them overnight. When people get bored of Pandas, as they do all expansions, some will buy and try GW2. It doesn't have to be on release; it can be a couple months later.

    I'm trying to say that timing doesn't matter against WoW. They're projected at over 3 million sales by years end, and that can only go up.

    just curious Saxonblade, how do you know this? can you please provide proof.

  • VolkonVolkon Member UncommonPosts: 3,748
    Originally posted by coretex666

    Successful thread if the aim was to make GW fanboys enrage

    Dang, I seem to have missed the enrage. Going to have to reread the whole thing I guess. Sigh...

    Oderint, dum metuant.

  • SaxonbladeSaxonblade Member Posts: 275
    Originally posted by joocheese
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I doub

    If you added up all the other gamers out there that do not play WoW you still would not have 8-10 mill, so how is going for #1 not going after WoW? You need to lure WoW players away or Anet will have zero chance to be #1, dem are the facts like it or not WoW is top dog.

    Not disagreeing on WoW being top dog. Just saying they don't need only WoW people, and they don't need them overnight. When people get bored of Pandas, as they do all expansions, some will buy and try GW2. It doesn't have to be on release; it can be a couple months later.

    I'm trying to say that timing doesn't matter against WoW. They're projected at over 3 million sales by years end, and that can only go up.

    just curious Saxonblade, how do you know this? can you please provide proof.

    They are enraged at this point lol, sure just go to Xfire and add the total players of the main AAA titles, not hard do the math.  To be number one GW2 needs to take some WoW players numbers be numbers my friend

     

    We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when the Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO… One MMO has been on the top of the heap for seven years now, but there’s been a progression in the industry for other games being able to attract more and more players. And we’re set to climb to the top.”

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  • joocheesejoocheese Member Posts: 845
    Originally posted by coretex666

    Successful thread if the aim was to make GW fanboys enrage

    haha, I'm seeing both sides going at it. [mod edit]. As for my GW2 fanboy friends, they may do the same thing but I would like to think otherwise.

    WOW is still king (when it comes to subs); however WOW is in decline, though it may be a very slow decline, decline nonetheless. Analysts predict GW2 to do very well, only time will tell though. GW2 won't directly impact WOW subs, since you can have both and only get ripped off by one; WOW's monthly subs (monthly subs are fast becoming a thing of the past). However, GW2 may compete with WOW on the issue of time; there are only 24 hours in a day and only 5 days in a week, you can only play so much.

    Contrary to wow fanboy's popular belief, there are more players out there other than just wow players (think all video games, not just mmos). To think that you must steal wow players is conceited, pretentious and just plain inccorect. I do not expect GW2 to steal a great number of subs from wow, at least, not immideately (first 3-6 months; prob first year), however, if GW2 does live up to all the hype (most likely it will not; best case scenario it will mostly) then I do think it does present a very real danger to WOW's NA dominance. After all, out of WOW's 10mil+ subs, well over half are in Asia (China). Approx 6mil+ in Asia, 2m+ in NA and 2mil+ in EU. Please note that WOW's Asian subs are counted differently than in NA/EU.

    Having spouted all that dribble (sry), I think WOW's position is deceptively strong, especially since they are in decline; not counting Kung Fu Panda and Pokemon. GW2 may not dethrone WOW in the coming years (no one single game may), but as one poster said, WOW worst enemy will be WOW; they are fast becoming a thing of the past and sooner than later I believe their subs will reflect that. I would not be surprised if Blizzard will pull another gimmick in order to "bribe" people into buying the Kung Fu Panda & Pokemon expansion; we may even see WOW go to F2P (they are already to lvl 20).

    Just my thoughts, have at it guys :-)

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908
    Originally posted by fivoroth
    Originally posted by Ramadar

    NO NO FOR GOD SAKE I DONT WANT WOW PLAYERS IN MY GW 2 PLEASE KEEP THEM AWAY !!!!!

    You never played WoW?

     

     

    I didn't, but I don't understand the hatred it's players get. I have always found ex WoW players to be just standard MMOers (ie as randomly pleasent, capable, nasty, rude, idiotic, funny, or whatever as the rest of us).

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I'm trying to say that timing doesn't matter against WoW. They're projected at over 3 million sales by years end, and that can only go up.

    I hope they reach that number but time will tell, anyhow they need another BWE soon..................

    Guildwars have sold over 4,5 million accounts and totally 7 million boxes, do you really think GW2 will sell less? GW wasn't even hyped and made on a low budget.

    Nah, I don't think Blizzard and ANET are worrying about eachother too much, I wouldn't in fact be surprised if many employees play the other companies games (even if they hardly would say that in a press release. Then again did D3s lead designer say that hes waiting for Torchlight 2 so you never know).

    ANET just want to get out their game in good shape. Blizz probably needs a lot more testing and work into MOP before releasing it.

  • joocheesejoocheese Member Posts: 845
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by joocheese
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I doub

    If you added up all the other gamers out there that do not play WoW you still would not have 8-10 mill, so how is going for #1 not going after WoW? You need to lure WoW players away or Anet will have zero chance to be #1, dem are the facts like it or not WoW is top dog.

    Not disagreeing on WoW being top dog. Just saying they don't need only WoW people, and they don't need them overnight. When people get bored of Pandas, as they do all expansions, some will buy and try GW2. It doesn't have to be on release; it can be a couple months later.

    I'm trying to say that timing doesn't matter against WoW. They're projected at over 3 million sales by years end, and that can only go up.

    just curious Saxonblade, how do you know this? can you please provide proof.

    They are enraged at this point lol, sure just go to Xfire and add the total players of the main AAA titles, not hard do the math.  To be number one GW2 needs to take some WoW players numbers be numbers my friend

     

    We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when the Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO… One MMO has been on the top of the heap for seven years now, but there’s been a progression in the industry for other games being able to attract more and more players. And we’re set to climb to the top.”

    Saxonblade, are those active players or subs? Active subs? (SWTOR). This reminds me of the unemployment numbers; only 8+% unemployed, but approx 15% true unemployment (as in people who've given up looking for a job). Even if those numbers are accurate, which I do not think they are, those are only active subs, not counting the millions of new players, millions of players playing other games (such as myself), and millions of players which are being counted (xfire) but are not playing (inactive subs/players). No doubt wow players will play wither both wow and gw2 or will leave wow and play gw2 or will just stick to wow. Having said that, I do not believe that stealing wow players is a necessity to become number one.

    Interesting thing is wow has 10mil+ subs, how many active players though? Since GW2 does not require subs (as no game should), we would have to compare wow's active playerbase vs gw2's active playerbase.

  • SaxonbladeSaxonblade Member Posts: 275
    Originally posted by Vesavius
    Originally posted by fivoroth
    Originally posted by Ramadar

    NO NO FOR GOD SAKE I DONT WANT WOW PLAYERS IN MY GW 2 PLEASE KEEP THEM AWAY !!!!!

    You never played WoW?

     

     

    I didn't, but I don't understand the hatred it's players get. I have always found ex WoW players to be just standard MMOers (ie as randomly pleasent, capable, nasty, rude, idiotic, funny, or whatever as the rest of us).

    They are for the most part people just like bashing them, anyhow we are getting off topic.

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  • SaxonbladeSaxonblade Member Posts: 275
    Originally posted by joocheese
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by joocheese
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I doub

    If you added up all the other gamers out there that do not play WoW you still would not have 8-10 mill, so how is going for #1 not going after WoW? You need to lure WoW players away or Anet will have zero chance to be #1, dem are the facts like it or not WoW is top dog.

    Not disagreeing on WoW being top dog. Just saying they don't need only WoW people, and they don't need them overnight. When people get bored of Pandas, as they do all expansions, some will buy and try GW2. It doesn't have to be on release; it can be a couple months later.

    I'm trying to say that timing doesn't matter against WoW. They're projected at over 3 million sales by years end, and that can only go up.

    just curious Saxonblade, how do you know this? can you please provide proof.

    They are enraged at this point lol, sure just go to Xfire and add the total players of the main AAA titles, not hard do the math.  To be number one GW2 needs to take some WoW players numbers be numbers my friend

     

    We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when the Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO… One MMO has been on the top of the heap for seven years now, but there’s been a progression in the industry for other games being able to attract more and more players. And we’re set to climb to the top.”

    Saxonblade, are those active players or subs? Active subs? (SWTOR). This reminds me of the unemployment numbers; only 8+% unemployed, but approx 15% true unemployment (as in people who've given up looking for a job). Even if those numbers are accurate, which I do not think they are, those are only active subs, not counting the millions of new players, millions of players playing other games (such as myself), and millions of players which are being counted (xfire) but are not playing (inactive subs/players). No doubt wow players will play wither both wow and gw2 or will leave wow and play gw2 or will just stick to wow. Having said that, I do not believe that stealing wow players is a necessity to become number one.

    Interesting thing is wow has 10mil+ subs, how many active players though? Since GW2 does not require subs (as no game should), we would have to compare wow's active playerbase vs gw2's active playerbase.

    Just use the formula Anet did saying it was number 2 to WoW, wait GW1 does not have subs so how can they have done this? We are getting way off topic and really you are baiting me because I speculatetd something you did not like. 

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  • joocheesejoocheese Member Posts: 845
    Originally posted by Loke666
    Originally posted by Saxonblade
    Originally posted by Volkon

    I'm trying to say that timing doesn't matter against WoW. They're projected at over 3 million sales by years end, and that can only go up.

    I hope they reach that number but time will tell, anyhow they need another BWE soon..................

    Guildwars have sold over 4,5 million accounts and totally 7 million boxes, do you really think GW2 will sell less? GW wasn't even hyped and made on a low budget.

    Nah, I don't think Blizzard and ANET are worrying about eachother too much, I wouldn't in fact be surprised if many employees play the other companies games (even if they hardly would say that in a press release. Then again did D3s lead designer say that hes waiting for Torchlight 2 so you never know).

    ANET just want to get out their game in good shape. Blizz probably needs a lot more testing and work into MOP before releasing it.

    The three founders of Anet were previous Blizzard lead devs.

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