People seem to forget that these games exist to generate profit for companies and shareholders. I would encourage games to find ways to further monetize subscription games that do not give unfair advantages to players. As long as the cash shop items do dont provide stat bonuses (I could give a crap about EXP buffs) and keep it purely cosmetic, I encourage it. If you want to spend $10 on a virtual shirt or $15 on a pet penguin, I could give a crap and don't see why so many people are up in arms over it.
People seem to forget that these games exist to generate profit for companies and shareholders. I would encourage games to find ways to further monetize subscription games that do not give unfair advantages to players. As long as the cash shop items do dont provide stat bonuses (I could give a crap about EXP buffs) and keep it purely cosmetic, I encourage it. If you want to spend $10 on a virtual shirt or $15 on a pet penguin, I could give a crap and don't see why so many people are up in arms over it.
^^ This.
And it is under-pinned by 'choice'. Your choice to buy the game or not, after all it is a free world.
I too cannot see the big problem with this, it is quite conceivable to buy the game and play it and not even know there was an item shop.
Another thing I cannot understand is that people like to have good games and complain to high heaven when a game is not up to a good standard or has a small amount of content or has bugs etc and yet they do not want to pay for it. You think game producers are charities or are government sponsered!
Paying $15 a month for a game that you play 3 to 4 hours a day is absolutely nothing for the amount of entertainment you get out of it, and yet you be-grudge the game producers that want to make a profit the ability to sell a pet or some items of clothing to another player who is prepared to buy it? Explain that rational as it sounds like a "Dog in a Manager" attitude - "I dont/cant use it so I dont want anyone else to use it".
Ultimately you get what you pay for, if we refuse or are unwilling to pay for our games and businesses do not see a profit they will leave, this may not happen with console games but it can happen to MMOs as it they are already).
Or worse still, for you the complainers in paritcular, that don't like to spend your money on what you enjoy, it will end up with so few producers that demand will increase and so will the price lol, then waht will you say as it would be because of your making!
Originally posted by Biskop
I'd have no issue with B2P+CS, but a sub and CS? I don't know, it just screams "greed" to me.
Greed? Greed you say lol, when you talk about greed you should get things in perspective, a banker is greedy, did you take all you money out of the bank? No.
You think game producers roll around in mercedes and ferraris and the likes? How can they be greedy if they do not force you to buy the uless stuff that is in their shops? IF they said that you had to buy at least 5 items in the shop pn top of your sub then you guys may have a point but they don't so your points are all mute.
People seem to forget that these games exist to generate profit for companies and shareholders. I would encourage games to find ways to further monetize subscription games that do not give unfair advantages to players. As long as the cash shop items do dont provide stat bonuses (I could give a crap about EXP buffs) and keep it purely cosmetic, I encourage it. If you want to spend $10 on a virtual shirt or $15 on a pet penguin, I could give a crap and don't see why so many people are up in arms over it.
Well said... Plus with the addition of how mmo subs can fall off after the free month is up, they have to have another steady or another option to generate revenue when those sub do drop off..
People seem to forget that these games exist to generate profit for companies and shareholders. I would encourage games to find ways to further monetize subscription games that do not give unfair advantages to players. As long as the cash shop items do dont provide stat bonuses (I could give a crap about EXP buffs) and keep it purely cosmetic, I encourage it. If you want to spend $10 on a virtual shirt or $15 on a pet penguin, I could give a crap and don't see why so many people are up in arms over it.
^^ This.
And it is under-pinned by 'choice'. Your choice to buy the game or not, after all it is a free world.
I too cannot see the big problem with this, it is quite conceivable to buy the game and play it and not even know there was an item shop.
Another thing I cannot understand is that people like to have good games and complain to high heaven when a game is not up to a good standard or has a small amount of content or has bugs etc and yet they do not want to pay for it. You think game producers are charities or are government sponsered!
Paying $15 a month for a game that you play 3 to 4 hours a day is absolutely nothing for the amount of entertainment you get out of it, and yet you be-grudge the game producers that want to make a profit the ability to sell a pet or some items of clothing to another player who is prepared to buy it? Explain that rational as it sounds like a "Dog in a Manager" attitude - "I dont/cant use it so I dont want anyone else to use it".
Ultimately you get what you pay for, if we refuse or are unwilling to pay for our games and businesses do not see a profit they will leave, this may not happen with console games but it can happen to MMOs as it they are already).
Or worse still, for you the complainers in paritcular, that don't like to spend your money on what you enjoy, it will end up with so few producers that demand will increase and so will the price lol, then waht will you say as it would be because of your making!
Originally posted by Biskop
I'd have no issue with B2P+CS, but a sub and CS? I don't know, it just screams "greed" to me.
Greed? Greed you say lol, when you talk about greed you should get things in perspective, a banker is greedy, did you take all you money out of the bank? No.
You think game producers roll around in mercedes and ferraris and the likes? How can they be greedy if they do not force you to buy the uless stuff that is in their shops? IF they said that you had to buy at least 5 items in the shop pn top of your sub then you guys may have a point but they don't so your points are all mute.
Well not so much greed... Look at it, who is beeing greedy? The person who can't resist to buy the product/service or the person who is offering the service in order to make more?
To the people complaining about a cash shop/sub MMO really need to step back, relax, and think about it a minute. to say you'll never play because of it is really overreacting. In fact there prob wont be many MMOs in your future, heh.
Its a business. And as such, the developers are in it to make money. That is NOT a bad thing! lol. They need alot of it to make a quality game and a lot more to keep it that way with patches, support, content addition, etc. You cant blame them for trying to generate extra revenue. Hopefully, and if they are smart, that extra revenue can be put back into the game to make it better. That in turn attracts more players as well as retaining the old ones. The game endures.
No one is forcing you to use the cash shop, yeech, lol. No game with a sub is going to have a cash shop with game breaking necessity items. If anything, you should applaud the idea of cash shops.
Being able to buy an addon pack to your purchase, that gives you 5(?) XP pots once, is not the same as having unlimited XP pots for sale in a cash shop. So yes you're bullshitting, since as I said, there's no XP pots in the cash shop.
Okay, this is getting kind of silly. I seen that they will sell you XP boosters for money and decided to not buy the game.
To me any store that sells you stuff for cash is a "cash shop". Apparently you guys are making a distinction between a ingame store and out of game store. In that case, the out of game store will sell you XP boosters. I have no idea about the ingame store as I have no access to it.
well yes it seems we do, they have a thing called a cashshop, you find it in game by pressing "," the thing you are talking about is a bunch of random upgrades along with 30 days of more time, plus a discount.
to me a cashshop is what they already have on their other games, you buy funcom points and buy stuff using those points, you don't pay directly.
the other thing is like name changes and server transfers, only you can get that stuff only once.
i can't think of a single cash shop that only allows you to buy something once, what would be the point of a cashshop like that? the upgrades are just that, one time deals i believe.
by the way, why do people get bent out of shape over people that get xp bonus things? does it really affect your game play that badly? is anyone really affected by someone getting a 10% exp bonus from a potion? even 10 one time only potions?
i mean i never get bent out of shape when i didn't preorder AoC and i believe it had an 10% ring or something, mostly because how fast i level only matters to me, i don't care about how fast anyone else levels.
now if they required you to buy stuff because they balanced power around stuff they have in shops, like PWI does i would be mad since i couldn't level without paying them and that isn't fun.
armor/weapons/skills = bad, they remove fun.
exp potions? items to convert item looks? cosmetic items? i may feel a pang of wanting cool looking pixals, but i have better things to spend my money on.
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People seem to forget that these games exist to generate profit for companies and shareholders. I would encourage games to find ways to further monetize subscription games that do not give unfair advantages to players. As long as the cash shop items do dont provide stat bonuses (I could give a crap about EXP buffs) and keep it purely cosmetic, I encourage it. If you want to spend $10 on a virtual shirt or $15 on a pet penguin, I could give a crap and don't see why so many people are up in arms over it.
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^^ This.
And it is under-pinned by 'choice'. Your choice to buy the game or not, after all it is a free world.
I too cannot see the big problem with this, it is quite conceivable to buy the game and play it and not even know there was an item shop.
Another thing I cannot understand is that people like to have good games and complain to high heaven when a game is not up to a good standard or has a small amount of content or has bugs etc and yet they do not want to pay for it. You think game producers are charities or are government sponsered!
Paying $15 a month for a game that you play 3 to 4 hours a day is absolutely nothing for the amount of entertainment you get out of it, and yet you be-grudge the game producers that want to make a profit the ability to sell a pet or some items of clothing to another player who is prepared to buy it? Explain that rational as it sounds like a "Dog in a Manager" attitude - "I dont/cant use it so I dont want anyone else to use it".
Ultimately you get what you pay for, if we refuse or are unwilling to pay for our games and businesses do not see a profit they will leave, this may not happen with console games but it can happen to MMOs as it they are already).
Or worse still, for you the complainers in paritcular, that don't like to spend your money on what you enjoy, it will end up with so few producers that demand will increase and so will the price lol, then waht will you say as it would be because of your making!
Greed? Greed you say lol, when you talk about greed you should get things in perspective, a banker is greedy, did you take all you money out of the bank? No.
You think game producers roll around in mercedes and ferraris and the likes? How can they be greedy if they do not force you to buy the uless stuff that is in their shops? IF they said that you had to buy at least 5 items in the shop pn top of your sub then you guys may have a point but they don't so your points are all mute.
Well said... Plus with the addition of how mmo subs can fall off after the free month is up, they have to have another steady or another option to generate revenue when those sub do drop off..
Well not so much greed... Look at it, who is beeing greedy? The person who can't resist to buy the product/service or the person who is offering the service in order to make more?
Its a toss up i think.
Pink bunny slippers are not included in the monthly subscription- outrageous.
didn't we discussed that all in the past already?
i am equal. there is no 50€ talisman in the shop. no idea why we need to have this discussion again.
all been done before.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
To the people complaining about a cash shop/sub MMO really need to step back, relax, and think about it a minute. to say you'll never play because of it is really overreacting. In fact there prob wont be many MMOs in your future, heh.
Its a business. And as such, the developers are in it to make money. That is NOT a bad thing! lol. They need alot of it to make a quality game and a lot more to keep it that way with patches, support, content addition, etc. You cant blame them for trying to generate extra revenue. Hopefully, and if they are smart, that extra revenue can be put back into the game to make it better. That in turn attracts more players as well as retaining the old ones. The game endures.
No one is forcing you to use the cash shop, yeech, lol. No game with a sub is going to have a cash shop with game breaking necessity items. If anything, you should applaud the idea of cash shops.
well yes it seems we do, they have a thing called a cashshop, you find it in game by pressing "," the thing you are talking about is a bunch of random upgrades along with 30 days of more time, plus a discount.
to me a cashshop is what they already have on their other games, you buy funcom points and buy stuff using those points, you don't pay directly.
the other thing is like name changes and server transfers, only you can get that stuff only once.
i can't think of a single cash shop that only allows you to buy something once, what would be the point of a cashshop like that? the upgrades are just that, one time deals i believe.
by the way, why do people get bent out of shape over people that get xp bonus things? does it really affect your game play that badly? is anyone really affected by someone getting a 10% exp bonus from a potion? even 10 one time only potions?
i mean i never get bent out of shape when i didn't preorder AoC and i believe it had an 10% ring or something, mostly because how fast i level only matters to me, i don't care about how fast anyone else levels.
now if they required you to buy stuff because they balanced power around stuff they have in shops, like PWI does i would be mad since i couldn't level without paying them and that isn't fun.
armor/weapons/skills = bad, they remove fun.
exp potions? items to convert item looks? cosmetic items? i may feel a pang of wanting cool looking pixals, but i have better things to spend my money on.