No matter what they do or what kind of game they will release " even if it was the GOD of MMOs ", you will come here at the day of the release and see ppl QQ all over the forums lol
Originally posted by athariel TSW will be investigating F2P by the time GW2 launches. They have a Pay2Win cash shop so it shouldn't take long for them to make a switch.
LOL. GW2's CS is closer to P2W than TSW's. But neither is.
Anyway, the funny part is that TSW competes more with SWTOR, while GW2 competes more with TERA. The 2 may be mmorpgs, but interestes are completly different. Also, fate is the same. Both wil launch with lots of box sales then see huge drops a few months after. TSW will see it's when GW2 launches, but it won't kill. GW2 will see it's ones later on.
Also, Anet should be far more worried with Pandaria. Knowing Blizz, they might wven launch close to GW2 just to insult.
I doubt it, Blizzard only releases games when they are truly ready to be played: when they are polished enough (Diablo 3 is an exception to the rule). Blizzard would only speed up WoW's decline by releasing a product too soon.
TSW will be investigating F2P by the time GW2 launches. They have a Pay2Win cash shop so it shouldn't take long for them to make a switch.
LOL. GW2's CS is closer to P2W than TSW's. But neither is.
Anyway, the funny part is that TSW competes more with SWTOR, while GW2 competes more with TERA. The 2 may be mmorpgs, but interestes are completly different. Also, fate is the same. Both wil launch with lots of box sales then see huge drops a few months after. TSW will see it's when GW2 launches, but it won't kill. GW2 will see it's ones later on.
Also, Anet should be far more worried with Pandaria. Knowing Blizz, they might wven launch close to GW2 just to insult.
True the cool sunglasses i got for my Guardian, made the mobs run scared of all the coolness i had.
Right now, I think it's safe to say that consumer interest for GW2 is far, far, higher than it is for TSW. If you doubt this, then just do this simple check.
Google TSW. You will get about 2.6 millions results. And it seems like the majority of them are for companies that make wheels and ONE result for the actual game on the front page, and it's third of the list.
Google GW2. You will get 10.9 million results and EVERY SINGLE result on the front page is for the game. In fact every single result on the TWELFTH page is for the game.
If this doesn't say something about consumer interest than I don't know what does.
GW2 is the big dog right now. Other games may change their release date around it, but it will not change its release don't around other games.
TSW needs to be way more scared of GW2 than GW2 of TSW. The fact it is coming out just inside 2 months of TSW release ... expect people leaving in droves and FunCom not getting any subs past the first 2 months.
I have no idea if there is enough content to keep people busy in TSW for 2 months, but I highly doubt it. As basically no game ever released has managed to do this. Honestly, I won't be surprised to see the fanboi hate coming just after the first month.
For the Nth time, the subscription fee is the biggest issue. GW2 is just so much more attractive, it isn't even a comparisson. We are talking about free vs. not free here. And this isn't even mentioning the fact that GW2 is a much more polished game than TSW will probably ever be.
GW2 is basically going to be the ton of bricks that broke the camel's back for TSW.
I'll bite. Chances are that TSW will suffer more because of GW2, than the other way around. Anyway, I don't personally care about TSW at all, so nope, no reason to postpone anything.
Sounds like someone is giving TSW a little more credit then it actually deserves. TSW though a good game still is missing some things to make it a great game and there is no way in hell it compares to the quality of GW2. Also IMO it being a theme'd MMO it will have as small of a following as TERA does because not a lot of people are into a modern / dark / zombie lore.
My problem as well as countless others is that the one mechanic you spend doing the entire game is horrible in TSW and that is the combat, character animations you do not feel part of the beautifull world that Funcom created, your character feels like a late addition to the game and not fully part of it.
So many people who are fans of TSW admit the things that are wrong with the game and justify it with "The games lore and world" make up for the lack. Good for them but a big big group of player don't feel the same way.
GW2 on the other hand, I've not met one person in game or in real life that wasn't completely blown away with the game. On the other hand I do not know of a single person who planned to keep playing TSW after launch and a lot more who got a refund for the game, especially after last beta.
So putting so much credit into the "Launch of TSW" is a little near sighted and seems a touch ignorant to the reality of Guild Wars 2, its following, and the excitment that has engulfed the majority of those who have proven the "Hype" was actually true. TSW will have absolutely no impact on Guild Wars 2, infact no other game will have any impact and that includes MoP...
Originally posted by athariel TSW will be investigating F2P by the time GW2 launches. They have a Pay2Win cash shop so it shouldn't take long for them to make a switch.
LOL. GW2's CS is closer to P2W than TSW's. But neither is.
Anyway, the funny part is that TSW competes more with SWTOR, while GW2 competes more with TERA. The 2 may be mmorpgs, but interestes are completly different. Also, fate is the same. Both wil launch with lots of box sales then see huge drops a few months after. TSW will see it's when GW2 launches, but it won't kill. GW2 will see it's ones later on.
Also, Anet should be far more worried with Pandaria. Knowing Blizz, they might wven launch close to GW2 just to insult.
I doubt it, Blizzard only releases games when they are truly ready to be played: when they are polished enough (Diablo 3 is an exception to the rule). Blizzard would only speed up WoW's decline by releasing a product too soon.
Not keeping tabs on Pandaria myself, so i don't know. But i do agree with you.
But Blizz is like this, IMO. They know they're the biggest and thatn Panda EXP, despite the hate, will still outsell every other mmorpg. I'm just imagening that, after O'Brien's whole "we'll beat WOW this time", Blizz might release it close to GW2 to give insult to injury.
TSW won't die once GW 2 releases. It has a good audience, example those who are tired of fantasy and those who love story orientated MMOs like SWTOR will most likely stay. It's a good game as well, I decided to play it till GW 2 but I'm sure it'll have longevity.
GW 2 is fine as well lol.
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
TSW will be investigating F2P by the time GW2 launches. They have a Pay2Win cash shop so it shouldn't take long for them to make a switch.
LOL. GW2's CS is closer to P2W than TSW's. But neither is.
Anyway, the funny part is that TSW competes more with SWTOR, while GW2 competes more with TERA. The 2 may be mmorpgs, but interestes are completly different. Also, fate is the same. Both wil launch with lots of box sales then see huge drops a few months after. TSW will see it's when GW2 launches, but it won't kill. GW2 will see it's ones later on.
Also, Anet should be far more worried with Pandaria. Knowing Blizz, they might wven launch close to GW2 just to insult.
True the cool sunglasses i got for my Guardian, made the mobs run scared of all the coolness i had.
Sunglasses are P2W in any mmo. Like the monocle in EVE.
Also, the only time a different launch can affect the other is if it's within the same month. Outside of that, it's pretty much clear. And regarding the future, it doesn't matter either. All mmos will suffer the "turist syndrome".
Alternatively, Lets release at the same time and completely CRUSH any chance secret world has at a launch.
Yeah, i think option two is best.
Its going to be the same thing that happened with WoW/Vanguard: Same release, same awesome games and potential to become the biggest and best...
Vanguard stumbled and fell on its face, never came back up for air. WoW went on to be the big boy.
Secret world will possibly end up free to play within a year, and i eagerly look forward to that. Dont get me wrong, i LOVE secret world but cannot justify such a huge pricetag in this economical crisis, when for a mere 10 pound more i got guild wars 2 and wont have to pay a sub.
Its a real shame, i enjoyed the questing, i enjoyed the story and i really love the atmosphere and puzzling...but not at that price.
TSW does not even remotely represent a threat to GW2 as a matter of fact by august 25th many TSW players will be playing the GW2 3 day headstart..
Mists of pandaville will outsell everything but as everything actiblizz does these days will have a short burst followed by a loss in player retention..
MOP= 5 levels, 5 dungeons, a new tier of gear, rinse, repeat, yawn and quit 29 days later..
it wont mather to arenanet!why?because gw2 tournament with paid reward etc probably wont be released till mop is released. And this is the main feature that will sell million of box. So they ll sell 3 million in earlh days and when they have let known how their tournement will be financed rewarded etc they ll probably sell another 7 million plus the monthly fee they ll probably charge if you participate to the qualification and tournement for paid reward.by then end of the year they ll have sold 10 million.so dont sweat it tsw isnt gona affect gw2since gw2 doesnt work on the same time table as regular game.
I've been watching many different livestreams of people playing TSW since the servers opened on 29th and the starter areas of the game (3 main citys and Kingsmouth) weren't really crowded. Kingsmouth looked empty to be honest. Combining this with the fact that the game has only around 10 servers (or dimensions, becouse its only one server, yes I know that) it looks like the population so far is really low compared to other "AAA MMOs" on release (yes I know it's early acces not release, but in reality it is release, anybody who wants to play can buy the game and start playing immidietly).
This reminds me Tabula Rasa a little, not a good sign for the game if you ask me (And I really liked Tabula Rasa, I would play it today if the servers were still going on).
With what looks like a very good release of TSW would it not be wise for GW2 to postpond release until say end of September, that will give a full clear month after the free month you get with TSW.
Bearing in mind that GW2's main income will be from box sales they would want to maximize the opportunity and look for an ideal release time, so soon after the release of TSW could prove very damaging for the box sales.
With time a lot of players will get GW2 but releasing so soon after a good releasing AAA title can not help intended sales, they have waited this long another month cannot hurt.
Is this a joke? TSW didn't draw in many players so far, so that is a very poor launch. If GW2 decided to have an early head start releasing tommorow it would gank most TSW players. When GW2 releases in two months it will gank most remaining TSW players. There isn't much longevity or story in TSW, I blew through most of the 8 zones in closed beta at about 8-12 hours per zone to do it all, after the story the PvP and combat is enough to drive many away.
The only valid reason would be in case the game was not ready yet.
They've been very careful about announcing the date, changing it randomly would only diminish the trust that fans put into their words.
If they wanted to tiptoe around other possible releases, the time for that was before the announcement. Now it's too late - the cards are on the table.
Plus, GW2 has a different sale model, so even if a game from a more famous franchise was suddenly to be released around the same time, in the worst case scenario that would only postpone a certain numer of GW2 sales by a few months.
BTP + word of mouth allowed GW1 to be successful over time, I think the same will happen with GW2.
The initial sales (prepurchase + first two monts of sales) will probably be made by loyal GW fans, and curious MMORPG veterans (IMO 1-2 million sales), but over the months/years that number should grow, since GW2 is a game with richer gameplay and fuller world than GW1, but it's still BTP.
Word of mouth is a steadier type of advertisment than CG trailers, but it probably takes longer to build up.
As long as the game is stable at release, in a few years it won't matter if GW2 launched a month later than this game, or two months earlier than that other game.
With what looks like a very good release of TSW would it not be wise for GW2 to postpond release until say end of September, that will give a full clear month after the free month you get with TSW.
Bearing in mind that GW2's main income will be from box sales they would want to maximize the opportunity and look for an ideal release time, so soon after the release of TSW could prove very damaging for the box sales.
With time a lot of players will get GW2 but releasing so soon after a good releasing AAA title can not help intended sales, they have waited this long another month cannot hurt.
Dude with all due respect, just because you like TSW why should GW2 cancel their release date. They are better placed to decide if their product is suitable for what it's meant for and I'm sure they have not taken the decision lightly about their release date so you should not concern your self either that's what they get paid for. So your poll is just a waste of space IMO and your are bordering on Trolling trying to incite negative/positive feed-back.
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No matter what they do or what kind of game they will release " even if it was the GOD of MMOs ", you will come here at the day of the release and see ppl QQ all over the forums lol
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I doubt it, Blizzard only releases games when they are truly ready to be played: when they are polished enough (Diablo 3 is an exception to the rule). Blizzard would only speed up WoW's decline by releasing a product too soon.
True the cool sunglasses i got for my Guardian, made the mobs run scared of all the coolness i had.
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Guild Wars 2 is being released by NC Soft.
NC Soft also publishes Aion whose Anniversary is at the end of September.
NC Soft has no reason to compete with it's own games.
After playing both games in beta, I don't think GW2 has much to worry about.
uh no way!
I"m sure TSW is a fine game, but for me GW2 is a totally different playing style, which trumps any other MMO for me.
I hope TSW does well though.
Right now, I think it's safe to say that consumer interest for GW2 is far, far, higher than it is for TSW. If you doubt this, then just do this simple check.
Google TSW. You will get about 2.6 millions results. And it seems like the majority of them are for companies that make wheels and ONE result for the actual game on the front page, and it's third of the list.
Google GW2. You will get 10.9 million results and EVERY SINGLE result on the front page is for the game. In fact every single result on the TWELFTH page is for the game.
If this doesn't say something about consumer interest than I don't know what does.
GW2 is the big dog right now. Other games may change their release date around it, but it will not change its release don't around other games.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
GW2 could launch same day as TSW.
Delay because of TSW? Time to lay off the crack pipe.
TSW needs to be way more scared of GW2 than GW2 of TSW. The fact it is coming out just inside 2 months of TSW release ... expect people leaving in droves and FunCom not getting any subs past the first 2 months.
I have no idea if there is enough content to keep people busy in TSW for 2 months, but I highly doubt it. As basically no game ever released has managed to do this. Honestly, I won't be surprised to see the fanboi hate coming just after the first month.
For the Nth time, the subscription fee is the biggest issue. GW2 is just so much more attractive, it isn't even a comparisson. We are talking about free vs. not free here. And this isn't even mentioning the fact that GW2 is a much more polished game than TSW will probably ever be.
GW2 is basically going to be the ton of bricks that broke the camel's back for TSW.
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Shhh, that's a secret!
Sounds like someone is giving TSW a little more credit then it actually deserves. TSW though a good game still is missing some things to make it a great game and there is no way in hell it compares to the quality of GW2. Also IMO it being a theme'd MMO it will have as small of a following as TERA does because not a lot of people are into a modern / dark / zombie lore.
My problem as well as countless others is that the one mechanic you spend doing the entire game is horrible in TSW and that is the combat, character animations you do not feel part of the beautifull world that Funcom created, your character feels like a late addition to the game and not fully part of it.
So many people who are fans of TSW admit the things that are wrong with the game and justify it with "The games lore and world" make up for the lack. Good for them but a big big group of player don't feel the same way.
GW2 on the other hand, I've not met one person in game or in real life that wasn't completely blown away with the game. On the other hand I do not know of a single person who planned to keep playing TSW after launch and a lot more who got a refund for the game, especially after last beta.
So putting so much credit into the "Launch of TSW" is a little near sighted and seems a touch ignorant to the reality of Guild Wars 2, its following, and the excitment that has engulfed the majority of those who have proven the "Hype" was actually true. TSW will have absolutely no impact on Guild Wars 2, infact no other game will have any impact and that includes MoP...
Not keeping tabs on Pandaria myself, so i don't know. But i do agree with you.
But Blizz is like this, IMO. They know they're the biggest and thatn Panda EXP, despite the hate, will still outsell every other mmorpg. I'm just imagening that, after O'Brien's whole "we'll beat WOW this time", Blizz might release it close to GW2 to give insult to injury.
TSW won't die once GW 2 releases. It has a good audience, example those who are tired of fantasy and those who love story orientated MMOs like SWTOR will most likely stay. It's a good game as well, I decided to play it till GW 2 but I'm sure it'll have longevity.
GW 2 is fine as well lol.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Sunglasses are P2W in any mmo. Like the monocle in EVE.
Also, the only time a different launch can affect the other is if it's within the same month. Outside of that, it's pretty much clear. And regarding the future, it doesn't matter either. All mmos will suffer the "turist syndrome".
Since ANet has always said they will release it when it is ready, I think that Aug 28th is when this will be true.
The trends I am seeing are that a number of people are playing TSW as a filler until GW2 comes out.
Given also that GW2 has no sub fee, many people will probably keep playing both after GW2 launch (or whatever other MMO tickles their fancy).
But yeah, I agree that GW2 is going to hurt TSW a lot more than the release of TSW is going to hurt the launch of GW2.
Yes, lets delay for secret world...
Alternatively, Lets release at the same time and completely CRUSH any chance secret world has at a launch.
Yeah, i think option two is best.
Its going to be the same thing that happened with WoW/Vanguard: Same release, same awesome games and potential to become the biggest and best...
Vanguard stumbled and fell on its face, never came back up for air. WoW went on to be the big boy.
Secret world will possibly end up free to play within a year, and i eagerly look forward to that. Dont get me wrong, i LOVE secret world but cannot justify such a huge pricetag in this economical crisis, when for a mere 10 pound more i got guild wars 2 and wont have to pay a sub.
Its a real shame, i enjoyed the questing, i enjoyed the story and i really love the atmosphere and puzzling...but not at that price.
TSW does not even remotely represent a threat to GW2 as a matter of fact by august 25th many TSW players will be playing the GW2 3 day headstart..
Mists of pandaville will outsell everything but as everything actiblizz does these days will have a short burst followed by a loss in player retention..
MOP= 5 levels, 5 dungeons, a new tier of gear, rinse, repeat, yawn and quit 29 days later..
Playing GW2..
it wont mather to arenanet!why?because gw2 tournament with paid reward etc probably wont be released till mop is released.
And this is the main feature that will sell million of box. So they ll sell 3 million in earlh days and when they have let known how their tournement will be financed rewarded etc they ll probably sell another 7 million plus the monthly fee they ll probably charge if you participate to the qualification and tournement for paid reward.by then end of the year they ll have sold 10 million.so dont sweat it tsw isnt gona affect gw2since gw2 doesnt work on the same time table as regular game.
How many people have preordered TSW anyway?
I've been watching many different livestreams of people playing TSW since the servers opened on 29th and the starter areas of the game (3 main citys and Kingsmouth) weren't really crowded. Kingsmouth looked empty to be honest. Combining this with the fact that the game has only around 10 servers (or dimensions, becouse its only one server, yes I know that) it looks like the population so far is really low compared to other "AAA MMOs" on release (yes I know it's early acces not release, but in reality it is release, anybody who wants to play can buy the game and start playing immidietly).
This reminds me Tabula Rasa a little, not a good sign for the game if you ask me (And I really liked Tabula Rasa, I would play it today if the servers were still going on).
Is this a joke? TSW didn't draw in many players so far, so that is a very poor launch. If GW2 decided to have an early head start releasing tommorow it would gank most TSW players. When GW2 releases in two months it will gank most remaining TSW players. There isn't much longevity or story in TSW, I blew through most of the 8 zones in closed beta at about 8-12 hours per zone to do it all, after the story the PvP and combat is enough to drive many away.
Nah, no reason to postpone it.
Dude with all due respect, just because you like TSW why should GW2 cancel their release date. They are better placed to decide if their product is suitable for what it's meant for and I'm sure they have not taken the decision lightly about their release date so you should not concern your self either that's what they get paid for. So your poll is just a waste of space IMO and your are bordering on Trolling trying to incite negative/positive feed-back.
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