If WoW went F2P it would not destroy GW2. Why? You still have to get WoW and all it's chapters somehow - You will probably have to buy them, so WoW would be B2P and a game with 7 yr old graphics may not compete on a lvl field well.
I wouldn't bother with a F2P game from Blizzard ... they are too greedy to make it work
Someone that must have everything would probably be able to spend $1000/month... F2P would just make the game worse. Like all former P2P games that are now F2P... Terrible games..
OP "Yeah let's give up an automatic $150 million dollars a month because if we do we will make more money."
Board: "You're fired."
OP:
******** BTW it is "sad state of AFFAIRS" not fairs***********************
i don't know about that, the last few fairs i've seen have been in a pretty deplorable state, not to mention the amount usually charged on the different rides was pretty extortionate... come to think of it.. they kind of remind me of most f2p games
The statement that "If wow went F2P it would destroy <whatever game you like>" is completely illogical. If WoW went F2P then people would be free to play WoW plus any other number of F2P games and jump between them as they wanted, if they got bored, fed up, missed friends, whatever.
WoW going F2P would do NOTHING to any other game. It would only affect WoW.
If the op means "If WoW was free to play* it would destory GW2", it might. It might destroy a lot of mmos. If the OP means FTP, then no because WoW's ftp model would be a lot like SoE's. Locked races, classes, quests. Limited bags, gold, bank space. The whole point of the ftp would be to make you sub up.
*Free as in you get the game as it is with nothing locked or limited.
If WoW went free to play I still wouldn't play it. Gear grinding and building your life around a game is just not for me anymore. A game is just a game. Real life is real, WoW is just a gear driven carrot-on-a-stick game. At the end of it all, it doesn't mean a thing because next expansion you'll be raiding yet again for the latest and greatest, shiniest pieces of gear. I'll leave the hamster wheel to the hamsters and those who feel the need to devote their life to being among the first to get the leetest gear.
I will probably buy GW2 though. If you're beaten one on one it's because the other guy fought better with the tools available than you did.
I think both games have their merits, I'm not sure why one has to destroy the other.
I've never really understood these threads. People complain about innovation in MMO's, but then whenever a new one comes you see people playing the role of the storm crow before the game is even released; and you see countless threads about X game destroying Y and visa versa.
Wow going truly F2P would hurt a lot of games and flatout kill a few for sure but due to the B2P model and the differences in the gameplay and styles of the 2 games i do not believe GW2 would even be effected by it..
I myself loved WoW and have bought and conquered every expansion and played the game for years however i am so burned out on that game or any like it that i will not be getting or trying MOP..
Im sure many others feel the same way even with all actiblizz dislike aside..
Wow needs a complete facelift in the way they dole out their expansion packs is the same thing over and over..
New lands, new race, new class, no new toon slots, 5 levels, five dungeons and a new tier of gear to pursue, yawn...
Im seriously not interested in building a dam panda!
Originally posted by nomatics856 Sad state of fairs this is true, I do not like WoW not for its gameplay I think its fun, but I do not think it needs to be pay to play nor does any mmorpg out here today, no mmorpg is worth it, none of them offer the sense of exploration or adventure or extreme content generating that games like UO or EQ had, basically WoW is now a 3D lobby where you want to que in with other players to take down a boss or do a dungeon run, why am I paying 15$ a month for this again? And not just WoW but every other new mmorpg out there today.Mostly instanced, short lived crap. Thats whats wrong with WOW its no longer that go out and explore find new people, content generating game that it use to be, matter fact vaniella WoW was the closest we had to a sandbox game in a long time. Now its just go in walk around town and wait to be instantly put in a dungeon, the dungeon runs are great, but its not worth 15 a month, if it went F2P it would dominate gw2.
WoW "already" dominates Guild Wars 2. And every other MMO currently on the market.
Financially, anyway. You could argue that other games have much more solid content, a more loyal and friendly community and better graphics. Of course you could.
But we're talking about Activision here. Activision-Blizzard, yeah, but an Activision game cares about its money flow. And unless you know another that MMO that surpasses all others by quite a few million monthly subscribers, then my point is fairly self-explanatory.
But I disagree with you still. WoW would not "destroy" Guild Wars 2 if it went Free to Play. The game is a couple of years off from a decade, for God's sakes. There is a simple way to look at the market.
People who are interested in playing WoW: are playing WoW already. They only started marketing Free till Level 20 a year or so ago for God's sakes: I wouldn't hold your breath in the hopes of getting in sooner than later. And besides, GUild Wars 2,
is Buy To Play. Most people with the time and money will play another MMO or game alongside it, or use GW2 as their MMO quick fix when they feel like it. And of course, there will be a constant, seemingly robotic and sleepless hardcore playerbase that provides ArenaNet with a stream of microtransactions to give all the casual players like me some good quality, money-soaked patches and bug fixes.
Win-win for all, bro. WoW isn't "destroying" anything these days. it just is. It's always been at the top, and that's where it is content to remain. It's not threatened. It's not desperately clawing at life. It's filthy rich and it's going to stay that way for many more years.
I'm really sick of the whole "There's a massive fanbase for X", or "Y would be a WoW-killer if it just had a chance".
There is no massive conspiracy waiting in the MMO playerbase.
There are no "sleeper-agent fans" waiting to convert once the X or Y is unleashed on the world.
Nope. The people that are going to play wow will play wow be it pay or ftp. Same goes for GW2. People that are going to play GW2 are going to play becasue they want to play GW2.
All I heard was... "Well aren't you just a little lolly pop triple dipped in psycho."
Nope. The people that are going to play wow will play wow be it pay or ftp. Same goes for GW2. People that are going to play GW2 are going to play becasue they want to play GW2.
This.
I'm not playing WoW, because I don't want to play WoW. F2P, Sub, whatever; I'm not interested in playing it. GW2, I'm interested in playing, and upon release, I will be playing it.
Nope. The people that are going to play wow will play wow be it pay or ftp. Same goes for GW2. People that are going to play GW2 are going to play becasue they want to play GW2.
This.
I'm not playing WoW, because I don't want to play WoW. F2P, Sub, whatever; I'm not interested in playing it. GW2, I'm interested in playing, and upon release, I will be playing it.
if the people who are interested in GW2 are not interested in WoW then it probably stands to reason that the reverse is also true, WoW players probably arent interested in GW2 either, their totally different games after all. which means different demographic, nothing wrong with that, but, with the heavy PVP aspect of GW2, as opposed to WoW's heavy PVE aspect, i'd say GW2 probably appeals more to the Eve demographic, probably.. i kind of see it being in the same kind of 'niche' anyway.
Originally posted by Phry their totally different games after all. which means different demographic, nothing wrong with that, but, with the heavy PVP aspect of GW2, as opposed to WoW's heavy PVE aspect, i'd say GW2 probably appeals more to the Eve demographic, probably.. i kind of see it being in the same kind of 'niche' anyway.
GW2 has a heavy focus on PVE too
-- I personally have no interest in GW2 pvp and im sure im not alone
Sad state of fairs this is true, I do not like WoW not for its gameplay I think its fun, but I do not think it needs to be pay to play nor does any mmorpg out here today, no mmorpg is worth it, none of them offer the sense of exploration or adventure or extreme content generating that games like UO or EQ had, basically WoW is now a 3D lobby where you want to que in with other players to take down a boss or do a dungeon run, why am I paying 15$ a month for this again? And not just WoW but every other new mmorpg out there today.
Mostly instanced, short lived crap. Thats whats wrong with WOW its no longer that go out and explore find new people, content generating game that it use to be, matter fact vaniella WoW was the closest we had to a sandbox game in a long time. Now its just go in walk around town and wait to be instantly put in a dungeon, the dungeon runs are great, but its not worth 15 a month, if it went F2P it would dominate gw2.
"If WoW went free to play it would destroy guild wars 2" HA hardly!
I agree with your assessment of the problems inherent to paying a monthly fee for playing, however if Blizzard tried to directly compete with Arenanet they would fail big time. They are clunky, slow to update, slow to keep up with modern code for gameplay improvements, lacking in talent (drifting on the single log of talent that left them years ago because they were too stupid to keep their real talent). The only reason WoW is holding on right now at the level it is in America is due to the Annual Passes not expiring yet. Give it some time.
Blizzard is going to have to pull a miracle out of their butt if they expect Titan to be as well received as their other titles...altho i could be underestimating the stupidity of their fans. Don't misunderstand, i used to be a fan, and they royally screwed the pooch with both their content apathy and their greedy disposition.
Titan will no doubt have a subscription model I believe it will also be FPS and made for console which would delay it further.
I honestly don't think it would be that simple. I actually think WoW would finally be hurt by GW2 if they did that simply because GW2 is a more crisp game at the moment and has a lot of potential moving forward. Whereas WoW I think has it's best years behind it. GW2 is the young and vibrant fighter and WoW is the old master getn ready to pass the mantle.
Wow going truly F2P would hurt a lot of games and flatout kill a few for sure but due to the B2P model and the differences in the gameplay and styles of the 2 games i do not believe GW2 would even be effected by it..
I myself loved WoW and have bought and conquered every expansion and played the game for years however i am so burned out on that game or any like it that i will not be getting or trying MOP..
Im sure many others feel the same way even with all actiblizz dislike aside..
Wow needs a complete facelift in the way they dole out their expansion packs is the same thing over and over..
New lands, new race, new class, no new toon slots, 5 levels, five dungeons and a new tier of gear to pursue, yawn...
Im seriously not interested in building a dam panda!
No game is truly F2P. It would be a charity and not a business. Blizzard is certainly interested in profit. WoW going "F2P" would not change much. They would have a plan to make more money than ever... Think about the RMAH in D3. Blizzard is testing microtranscaction ideas... I dont think a possible "F2P" version of WOW would be very nice. And people that hate advantages for money and "P2W" would probably have a lot to complain about.
Most people would probably think GW2 and its B2P with CS was more reasonable and less offensive.
And I agree...Pandas are a bit silly in a serious MMO. But if some people like them its up to them...
If WoW went free to play it would destroy guild wars 2.
Except for the fact that Activizzard destroyed WoW already. Yet people still asks who will "kill" already dead Giant.
Agreed.
People need to remember that WOW has at most around 4 mil subs in NA and EU combined; the other 6 mil are in Asia (mainly China) with a very dif sub system.
Another thing to remember is that WOW is in decline; it has been for a while now. WOW will continue to make money for Blizzard and most likely it will die a very slow and painful death. The B2P/F2P model will come to WOW, it is not a matter of if, it's just a matter of when; they already offer F2P to lvl 20.
Blizzard has killed WOW and I do believe the giant is dying, if not dead already. Though it still makes money and will still have millions of people playing the game for a couple years to come, the patches keep taking longer to come, the coming expansions spell complete lack of creativity and originality, and most importantly, it appears that no matter what Blizzard does or tries to do with WOW, it continues to consistently bleed subs.
As a former wow player I take no joy in the slow and painful death of a game I truly enjoyed for several years. Blizzard has dones this to themselves; I like many others am tired of the hamster wheel and gear grinding. I have pre purchased GW2 am looking forward to a bright future in Tyria.
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I wouldn't bother with a F2P game from Blizzard ... they are too greedy to make it work
It would also destroy itself
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Just as WoW destroyed all other p2p mmos.. oh wait it didn't.
titan will be a free to play crap to get blizz pockets full of $$
look at diablo3, they realesed a bugged game without endgame content just to make profit from box sell and RMAH
and ofc ppl still bought it then cried on thier forum
If WoW went F2P it would not destroy GW2. Why? You still have to get WoW and all it's chapters somehow - You will probably have to buy them, so WoW would be B2P and a game with 7 yr old graphics may not compete on a lvl field well.
Someone that must have everything would probably be able to spend $1000/month... F2P would just make the game worse. Like all former P2P games that are now F2P... Terrible games..
i don't know about that, the last few fairs i've seen have been in a pretty deplorable state, not to mention the amount usually charged on the different rides was pretty extortionate... come to think of it.. they kind of remind me of most f2p games
The statement that "If wow went F2P it would destroy <whatever game you like>" is completely illogical. If WoW went F2P then people would be free to play WoW plus any other number of F2P games and jump between them as they wanted, if they got bored, fed up, missed friends, whatever.
WoW going F2P would do NOTHING to any other game. It would only affect WoW.
If the op means "If WoW was free to play* it would destory GW2", it might. It might destroy a lot of mmos. If the OP means FTP, then no because WoW's ftp model would be a lot like SoE's. Locked races, classes, quests. Limited bags, gold, bank space. The whole point of the ftp would be to make you sub up.
*Free as in you get the game as it is with nothing locked or limited.
Funniest part of this thread: the OP stating the need for WoW to crush GW2, implying that it is not doing so already.
I like how we're starting to see some grudging acknowledgement. =D
If WoW went free to play I still wouldn't play it. Gear grinding and building your life around a game is just not for me anymore. A game is just a game. Real life is real, WoW is just a gear driven carrot-on-a-stick game. At the end of it all, it doesn't mean a thing because next expansion you'll be raiding yet again for the latest and greatest, shiniest pieces of gear. I'll leave the hamster wheel to the hamsters and those who feel the need to devote their life to being among the first to get the leetest gear.
I will probably buy GW2 though. If you're beaten one on one it's because the other guy fought better with the tools available than you did.
I think both games have their merits, I'm not sure why one has to destroy the other.
I've never really understood these threads. People complain about innovation in MMO's, but then whenever a new one comes you see people playing the role of the storm crow before the game is even released; and you see countless threads about X game destroying Y and visa versa.
Wow going truly F2P would hurt a lot of games and flatout kill a few for sure but due to the B2P model and the differences in the gameplay and styles of the 2 games i do not believe GW2 would even be effected by it..
I myself loved WoW and have bought and conquered every expansion and played the game for years however i am so burned out on that game or any like it that i will not be getting or trying MOP..
Im sure many others feel the same way even with all actiblizz dislike aside..
Wow needs a complete facelift in the way they dole out their expansion packs is the same thing over and over..
New lands, new race, new class, no new toon slots, 5 levels, five dungeons and a new tier of gear to pursue, yawn...
Im seriously not interested in building a dam panda!
Playing GW2..
You're kidding? I hope to god you are. That is freaking funny! Man, that 15 dollars surely does go to quality content.
BOOYAKA!
WoW "already" dominates Guild Wars 2. And every other MMO currently on the market.
Financially, anyway. You could argue that other games have much more solid content, a more loyal and friendly community and better graphics. Of course you could.
But we're talking about Activision here. Activision-Blizzard, yeah, but an Activision game cares about its money flow. And unless you know another that MMO that surpasses all others by quite a few million monthly subscribers, then my point is fairly self-explanatory.
But I disagree with you still. WoW would not "destroy" Guild Wars 2 if it went Free to Play. The game is a couple of years off from a decade, for God's sakes. There is a simple way to look at the market.
People who are interested in playing WoW: are playing WoW already. They only started marketing Free till Level 20 a year or so ago for God's sakes: I wouldn't hold your breath in the hopes of getting in sooner than later. And besides, GUild Wars 2,
is Buy To Play. Most people with the time and money will play another MMO or game alongside it, or use GW2 as their MMO quick fix when they feel like it. And of course, there will be a constant, seemingly robotic and sleepless hardcore playerbase that provides ArenaNet with a stream of microtransactions to give all the casual players like me some good quality, money-soaked patches and bug fixes.
Win-win for all, bro. WoW isn't "destroying" anything these days. it just is. It's always been at the top, and that's where it is content to remain. It's not threatened. It's not desperately clawing at life. It's filthy rich and it's going to stay that way for many more years.
I'm really sick of the whole "There's a massive fanbase for X", or "Y would be a WoW-killer if it just had a chance".
There is no massive conspiracy waiting in the MMO playerbase.
There are no "sleeper-agent fans" waiting to convert once the X or Y is unleashed on the world.
Except for the fact that Activizzard destroyed WoW already. Yet people still asks who will "kill" already dead Giant.
Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2
Waiting for: Pathfinder Online
Nope. The people that are going to play wow will play wow be it pay or ftp. Same goes for GW2. People that are going to play GW2 are going to play becasue they want to play GW2.
All I heard was... "Well aren't you just a little lolly pop triple dipped in psycho."
This.
I'm not playing WoW, because I don't want to play WoW. F2P, Sub, whatever; I'm not interested in playing it. GW2, I'm interested in playing, and upon release, I will be playing it.
if the people who are interested in GW2 are not interested in WoW then it probably stands to reason that the reverse is also true, WoW players probably arent interested in GW2 either, their totally different games after all. which means different demographic, nothing wrong with that, but, with the heavy PVP aspect of GW2, as opposed to WoW's heavy PVE aspect, i'd say GW2 probably appeals more to the Eve demographic, probably.. i kind of see it being in the same kind of 'niche' anyway.
GW2 has a heavy focus on PVE too
-- I personally have no interest in GW2 pvp and im sure im not alone
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"If WoW went free to play it would destroy guild wars 2" HA hardly!
I agree with your assessment of the problems inherent to paying a monthly fee for playing, however if Blizzard tried to directly compete with Arenanet they would fail big time. They are clunky, slow to update, slow to keep up with modern code for gameplay improvements, lacking in talent (drifting on the single log of talent that left them years ago because they were too stupid to keep their real talent). The only reason WoW is holding on right now at the level it is in America is due to the Annual Passes not expiring yet. Give it some time.
Blizzard is going to have to pull a miracle out of their butt if they expect Titan to be as well received as their other titles...altho i could be underestimating the stupidity of their fans. Don't misunderstand, i used to be a fan, and they royally screwed the pooch with both their content apathy and their greedy disposition.
Titan will no doubt have a subscription model I believe it will also be FPS and made for console which would delay it further.
I cant speak for anyone else, but I would not play wow if it was f2p. I will play gw2 because it is b2p and I have already bought it.
Nothing about wows sub model changes the fact that I played the hell out of the game already and nothing, including pandas will make me play it again.
I honestly don't think it would be that simple. I actually think WoW would finally be hurt by GW2 if they did that simply because GW2 is a more crisp game at the moment and has a lot of potential moving forward. Whereas WoW I think has it's best years behind it. GW2 is the young and vibrant fighter and WoW is the old master getn ready to pass the mantle.
No game is truly F2P. It would be a charity and not a business. Blizzard is certainly interested in profit. WoW going "F2P" would not change much. They would have a plan to make more money than ever... Think about the RMAH in D3. Blizzard is testing microtranscaction ideas... I dont think a possible "F2P" version of WOW would be very nice. And people that hate advantages for money and "P2W" would probably have a lot to complain about.
Most people would probably think GW2 and its B2P with CS was more reasonable and less offensive.
And I agree...Pandas are a bit silly in a serious MMO. But if some people like them its up to them...
Agreed.
People need to remember that WOW has at most around 4 mil subs in NA and EU combined; the other 6 mil are in Asia (mainly China) with a very dif sub system.
Another thing to remember is that WOW is in decline; it has been for a while now. WOW will continue to make money for Blizzard and most likely it will die a very slow and painful death. The B2P/F2P model will come to WOW, it is not a matter of if, it's just a matter of when; they already offer F2P to lvl 20.
Blizzard has killed WOW and I do believe the giant is dying, if not dead already. Though it still makes money and will still have millions of people playing the game for a couple years to come, the patches keep taking longer to come, the coming expansions spell complete lack of creativity and originality, and most importantly, it appears that no matter what Blizzard does or tries to do with WOW, it continues to consistently bleed subs.
As a former wow player I take no joy in the slow and painful death of a game I truly enjoyed for several years. Blizzard has dones this to themselves; I like many others am tired of the hamster wheel and gear grinding. I have pre purchased GW2 am looking forward to a bright future in Tyria.