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Before the inevitable lock
Let's ask a different question: Why we should trust ANET?
Simple answer: Because everything they promised is in the game...
As to the OPs "suggestion", that's garbage, Arenanet never advertised Guild Wars 1 as an MMORPG or a WoW killer. It's funny seeing to what lengths people will go to bash a game with their ignorance
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
I also heard about this other product which takes all all the fat from your body without needing to do any excercise and you get to eat as much as you want. There's also another product which grows all the hair on your balding head back; in 3 days! no less!
There's another product which cooks entire meals for you without you even needing to buy any food or even buy the product in the first place! amazing isn't it!!
I checked around Google, and it was either Psycho or something related to Narcissistic personality disorder...
or maybe that was something else.
Who?
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Any proof of that marketing or you are just trolling?
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
Grimal, the only person who duped you into buying the game was yourself; YOU duped yourself!!
For him... I would just do an "all of the above" lol
I have just dug out all of my original Guild Wars boxes. All 3 of them (I dl'ed GWEN). The word MMO is not anywhere on any of them. It doesnt say it anywhere on their website, and AFAIK never did. On http://www.guildwars.com/products/guildwars/default.php it describes the game as having "Multiple cooperative and competitive gameplay modes"
Arenanet have never claimed that GW1 was an MMO. Other may have, but ANet never did. You will notice the quotes from various gaming website at the top of the linked page saying "best MMO" etc..... but ANet never claimed it was....
Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom
No need for the personal attacks.
1) Persistent adventure zones. That was a fairly uncommon term back then. Remember, most MMOs prior to its release did not have ANY instancing, so this was not really something that stuck out. If you start throwing around terms that people don't understand because maybe they have never been applied before, how can you honestly expect people to comprehend them? Vindictus came out MUCH MUCH later.
2) My discussing isn't about box sales at all. Not sure why you brought this up. I think it definitely brought instancing to the mainstream as for contributions. Not sure of anything else.
I think the word was pathological liar, I still could be thinking of the definition wrong though.
It upsets me a little bit because when I typed ANET and CORPG you find what ANET believed their own game was.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Delusional. The word you are looking for is delusional.
The point remains, why now? The game was released 7 years ago!! He should have trolled then and leave us in peace!
Okay, okay Grimal. I love you man, you're great. Let's compromise.
You will not, cannot, and have not found any evidence that Arenanet said it was an MMORPG.
At best, you've vaguely referenced that they 'insinuated and dropped clues it might be an MMORPG in an ad'.
All the rest of us aren't confused. That means we apparently read all the ads the right way.
So here's what we'll do.
We'll agree... me and you, let's leave these other folks out of it... that given Arenanet's track record, it appears to be okay to trust what they EXPLICITLY say...
... but that when you start reading context into things that isn't neccessarily there, you're standing on shaky ground.
So... the topic is now officially 'Why we should not trust what we read between the lines by Arenanet and should rely on what they explicitly say is'. How about it?
OP. Your Sig says you played GW and bought ALL the exspansions.
I don't know what your agenda is with this thread but it 100% is NOT to discuss arenanet as a company and true to their word they tend to be. That would be a discussion worth having, but alas troll makes troll thread with no point or actual substance.
If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you.
It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever'
Rather than the 'This is the worst game ever'
Yes, first time in an (uncounted but large) number of people failed to read the box. Who you blame for that basic omission is key.
But coders in the 80s would advise that the basic RTFM rule applies.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Just block him, report every single one of his posts and wait for a moderator to lock this... unless he decides to actually post anything that support his argument and isn't just trolling
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
Oh come on mods, seriously? This guy has been hardcore trolling Guild Wars 2 forum for like 2 weeks straight, ban please. Though I wouldn't be surprised if I get a temporary ban for just saying this.
Why we should NOT trust you
http://www.arena.net/press/guild_wars_announcement/
SEOUL, South Korea/SEATTLE, WA, April 22, 2003 — NCsoft, the world's top developer of online computer games is pleased to announce Guild WarsTM, a mission-based competitive online role playing game, produced by its Seattle-based ArenaNet studio. Guild Wars will have its first major public showing at the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3), May 14-16 at the Los Angeles Convention Center.
In the fantasy world of Guild Wars, players can engage in cooperative group combat, in single player adventures, or in large head-to-head guild battles. Guild Wars is a game that will constantly evolve, using streaming technology to provide players with the latest updates while they're online. In addition, gamers will be able to play Guild Wars without a monthly fee in North America. NCsoft will announce a variety of pricing options for gamers in other parts of the world in the near future.
"We're excited to unveil Guild Wars," said Patrick Wyatt, the original producer and lead programmer for the Warcraft series. "We believe that players are going to enjoy experiencing a game that offers technological advances that fundamentally improve the online role-playing experience, and the introduction of a groundbreaking business model for the genre."
ArenaNet was founded by key members of the creative teams behind the hit game series Warcraft, StarCraft, and Diablo, as well as Battle.net, one of the most successful gaming networks in the world.
The game is mission-based, and while each combat experience will be different, achievements will be permanent, so that each character grows and progresses over time. Unique items, special abilities, and a wide variety of skills will add meaningful value for the players. Missions are not scripted adventures, but are tactical battlegrounds where victory or loss is determined by skill and teamwork.
Mike O'Brien, the creator and architect of Battle.net, points out "Our vision has been to create a game that rewards skill and inventiveness rather than hundreds of hours of play, so we've built Guild Wars from the ground up to be a balanced environment where players of all skill levels can compete for recognition and prizes."
Key Game Features
Guild Wars is expected to launch in the 2nd Half of 2004. Many additional details about Guild Wars may be found at the game site: www.guildwars.com.
Grimal?? do you not have any self respect?? Any digninity??
Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions!! Stop blaming Anet for something they did not do and start realizing that YOU and only YOU made the mistake in thinking GW was something that it wasn't. You either let others define GW for you, misunderstood what people said about GW, or were too lazy to do your own homework. Either way, it is YOU who is responsible, not Anet!!
goodness!!
We call them sociopaths now. It's much more PC.
Search is a handy tool.
Taken from our very own MMORPG forums:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/82/view/forums/thread/17019/GWvsWOW.html
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/82/view/forums/thread/7868/WoW-vs-Guild-Wars.html
Confusion as to whether it is an MMO or not:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/82/view/forums/thread/25473/MMO-OR-NO-.html
I'll add more later.
Booyakasha. Ladies and gentlemen, Oldmanfunk with the /thread.
Since everyone else has already pointed out the fallacy regarding the lie about them claiming it as an MMO, I'll point out the other part that I felt was ignorant as well. GW didn't creat this so called new B2P model since every game I had ever played including other CO/ARPG's had all done it. I expected an ARPG lobby style game with an MMO UI and that's kind of what I got. I don't remember the game being touted as a game that would overthrow WoW (which was only released 5 months before GW and wasn't the juggernaut of the genre yet) and other P2P titles. The B2P model was pretty common for what the game was. I think you are letting your negative opinions of the game distort your views on the facts. I felt burnt by the purchase of the GW titles, but it had nothing to do with marketing spin or the payment model.
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grimal, did you see the post that OldManFunk provided? What do you have to say about that? And remember, ignorance is not a defense.