Actually, I think APB is the biggest failure to date. Not only did it shut down, but it forced the whole company (Realtime Worlds) into bankrupcy. At least EA can still say their company still exists after this.
I would have said FFXIV but you're right APB takes the cake.
If both MMOs were active now, SWG would have more players in it, and most are only playing SWTOR as it is the only Star Wars MMO
If SWG went F2P, it would end up being the next Minecraft in success. The monthly fee barrier would be removed, and millions of peoples imaginations would have brought SWG to life, and gotten the most out if its sandbox features, as it should have been.
SWTOR is utter garbage in my opinion but you must be on crack if you think the above is true.
The bit about Minecraft could be wishful thinking but not the first pragraph you quoted. SWTOR is virtually equal to SWGs population in 2003/2004 according to EA. Wait uintil the 6 months subs all expire next month, and there will be a lot less SWTOR subs.
Dont see how it can be a failure if its still running and making money. Sure the FTP is a PR nightmare and a sure sign of troubling times, but a failure? Maybe its semantics but for it to be a failure to me it would have to be shutdown.
38 studios was a failure; Tabula Rasa was a failure; TOR is a huge disappointment not a failure. Thats not to say it wont fail in the future. Time will tell though.
I had huge hopes for it, but there are some design descions, small and large, which irked me and are the ultimate reasons I dont play anymore. But if it can pull off this FTP switch, it might reviltalize the game in the same fashion as LOTRO and EQ2.
People, stop saying Tabula Rasa was the biggest failure.
The BIG thing people tend to forget - The TR we got was not the TR Richard Garriott envisioned. It was forced to be completely redesigned by NCSoft mid development, scraping the whole thing and building it up again. It started as this back in 2004: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB9dHVUX2KY&feature=relmfu
When did SWTOR ever fundamentally redesign its premise?
TR may have closed, but the reason it closed is because it was trying to be something different, and people didn' t like it. They tried to make a game that appealed to FPS players in western markets, and somehow still appeal to eastern MMO markets. This was a business decision, not a design one.
SWTOR took a successful IP and almost carbon copied a successful gameplay model, and somehow STILL botched it up. WAR, same thing.
TR failed, without a doubt, but NOT in any way shape or form the way WAR and in some ways SWTOR did.
Dont see how it can be a failure if its still running and making money. Sure the FTP is a PR nightmare and a sure sign of troubling times, but a failure? Maybe its semantics but for it to be a failure to me it would have to be shutdown.
38 studios was a failure; Tabula Rasa was a failure; TOR is a huge disappointment not a failure. Thats not to say it wont fail in the future. Time will tell though.
I had huge hopes for it, but there are some design descions, small and large, which irked me and are the ultimate reasons I dont play anymore. But if it can pull off this FTP switch, it might reviltalize the game in the same fashion as LOTRO and EQ2.
F2P from P2P, especially in this short space of time = failure
Blizzard talked of WOW going F2P at some point several years ago, when the time was right, and populations declined, but obviously that time still is not arriving yet.
Also games that do shut down are not necessarily failures, but business decisions, and LA did not think they would have the need for SWG when SWTOR came along with its billions of players (in with the new out with the old), but now SWG and SWTOR would be more or less equal in population strength, and I bet if LA saw the super fast decline of SWTOR coming they would have hung on to SWG.
I'd say Tabula Rasa over SWTOR but if you just wanted to feel the glory on your sparkle pony, don't let me ruin your parade.
I agree after UO tabula was supposed to be the next big MMO for Richard but was a complete disaster. At least swtor is playable and has a decent story aspect.
i agree
SWTOR disappointed but it wasnt a disaster
disaster mmos: by devs w good mmo background
SWG post NGE
Asherons Call 2
Tabula Rasa
Vanguard
all of these mmos had the plug pulled, except Vanguard
SWG only had the plug pulled as LA thought they had a sure thing with SWTOR.
SWG was a disaster in 2005, but in the last few years of its life it was far from a disaster. SOE put tonnes of effort into it, from what they were allowed to do with LA "pulling the strings", and it ended up being pretty awesome, but also at least SOE and LA put some effort into the game from the get go, even if it did not work out. There were always updates coming in pretty fast from the moment it was laumched to the day it closed.
SWTOR is just more of polished NGE with all the best bits of SWG removed, leaving a shell of the game. Ever do the Legacy quest series in SWG. The one long boring quest series as all professions do it? SWTOR is just that, but a lot better, but could have been better again still. There is more reason to play the game after level 90 in SWG than there is in SWTOR once you hit 50. There was more ways to level up in SWG though, you could explore the worlds yurself and take on missions by random NPCs, and / or do the mission terminals which gave you 1 level per day.
I would seriously love to have some of what you are smoking Mr Superniceguy from Anchorhead because that grass in a galaxy far far away must be damn good.
What is it with SWG vets though, its like putting all the odd kids in the "special" class and getting them to paint with there hands and puting the result in the National Gallery next to a Turner. Thats what they've done with SWG in there minds on that fantastic weed.
Excuse me?
SWG still managed to maintain adequate populations throughout to 2009, yet SWTOR could not manage it for 6 months, and when they close the servers later in the summer, SWTOR will have less servers than SWG had for its first 6 years. If SWG was a real disaster it would not have lasted into 2007.
If the game was not going free 2 play the populations would end up being less than SWG by next year, and it still probably will within 2 years now, once people realise how shallow it still is. F2P has just delayed its demise.
Overall SWG > SWTOR
If both MMOs were active now, SWG would have more players in it, and most are only playing SWTOR as it is the only Star Wars MMO
If SWG went F2P, it would end up being the next Minecraft in success. The monthly fee barrier would be removed, and millions of peoples imaginations would have brought SWG to life, and gotten the most out if its sandbox features, as it should have been.
When SWTOR shuts down I bet no one will bother with a flightless bird of it
Did SWG ever have 2.5 millions sold? did SWG have over 500k playerbase after 8 months? was SWG on life support for way over half of its life? and at its end a good source pointed towards there being 12k players left with no support from SOE other than server merges and SOE are masters at making money out of a small playerbase just look at MxO and VGSOH. You have done exactly whant my analogy was trying to point out you have built up an image of SWG success in your head it was a disaster from day one, I implore you get your head out of the sand it would not in a million years have more players than SW:TOR accept that and please move on. SWG vets around here really need to move on its over really its over.
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Who the hell cares if SWTOR was the biggest fail this century or not.
Does it concern you as a consumer whom is no longer paying a sub for SWTOR , as well as an Gamer whom is also no longer playing SWTOR.
I really don't understand this need to prove that SWTOR is an Failure.
Every single Development company out there understands what went wrong, so there was really no need to push this issue. Once the subs slipped below 1 Million and never reached the subs of WOW, they knew that changes needs to happen to their own games.
So is this whole post just an Ego Boost for those that saw it coming, whom didn't put in a single dime into SWTOR and was yelling and screaming that SWTOR will fail and that they want to prove that they are right.
Aren't you just like that preacher that said that the world will end, and three times he has failed, but sure, if he keeps this up, eventually, when the world does end, he will be right, maybe on his 1 millionth time he will finally get it correctly when the sun finally burns out and the world ends.
But really, who cares, those that still plays SWTOR still enjoys it, those that doesn't, have flopped to other games already, with GW2 coming out in less than a month, and WOW expansion right after, and all the other MMO's being developed, its not like this is the end of the MMO genre with the end of SWTOR, it actually breath new life to the Genre.
ME3 had a huge problem, because everything that was quoted during interviews was a lie, so many was angry, but SWTOR did provide joy for alot of players, it just have a very bad end game, tons of bugs, no new contents, and slow updates, and it really shows the lack of MMO experiences from the team.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
SWG still managed to maintain adequate populations throughout to 2009, yet SWTOR could not manage it for 6 months, and when they close the servers later in the summer, SWTOR will have less servers than SWG had for its first 6 years. If SWG was a real disaster it would not have lasted into 2007.
If the game was not going free 2 play the populations would end up being less than SWG by next year, and it still probably will within 2 years now, once people realise how shallow it still is. F2P has just delayed its demise.
Overall SWG > SWTOR
If both MMOs were active now, SWG would have more players in it, and most are only playing SWTOR as it is the only Star Wars MMO
If SWG went F2P, it would end up being the next Minecraft in success. The monthly fee barrier would be removed, and millions of peoples imaginations would have brought SWG to life, and gotten the most out if its sandbox features, as it should have been.
When SWTOR shuts down I bet no one will bother with a flightless bird of it
SWG is gone. Let it go. Move on. SWTOR is shit, but SWG was still closed.
SWTOR isn't closing any time soon...you can stop wetting yourself over it.
If both MMOs were active now, SWG would have more players in it, and most are only playing SWTOR as it is the only Star Wars MMO
If SWG went F2P, it would end up being the next Minecraft in success. The monthly fee barrier would be removed, and millions of peoples imaginations would have brought SWG to life, and gotten the most out if its sandbox features, as it should have been.
SWTOR is utter garbage in my opinion but you must be on crack if you think the above is true.
The bit about Minecraft could be wishful thinking but not the first pragraph you quoted. SWTOR is virtually equal to SWGs population in 2003/2004 according to EA. Wait uintil the 6 months subs all expire next month, and there will be a lot less SWTOR subs.
SWG couldn't even break 300k
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F2P from P2P, especially in this short space of time = failure
I agree, but SWG is still closed and never coming back. Sucks huh?!
Not going to renew your sub then TUX? shame the TOR forums would not be the same
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Dont see how it can be a failure if its still running and making money. Sure the FTP is a PR nightmare and a sure sign of troubling times, but a failure? Maybe its semantics but for it to be a failure to me it would have to be shutdown.
38 studios was a failure; Tabula Rasa was a failure; TOR is a huge disappointment not a failure. Thats not to say it wont fail in the future. Time will tell though.
I had huge hopes for it, but there are some design descions, small and large, which irked me and are the ultimate reasons I dont play anymore. But if it can pull off this FTP switch, it might reviltalize the game in the same fashion as LOTRO and EQ2.
F2P from P2P, especially in this short space of time = failure
Blizzard talked of WOW going F2P at some point several years ago, when the time was right, and populations declined, but obviously that time still is not arriving yet.
Also games that do shut down are not necessarily failures, but business decisions, and LA did not think they would have the need for SWG when SWTOR came along with its billions of players (in with the new out with the old), but now SWG and SWTOR would be more or less equal in population strength, and I bet if LA saw the super fast decline of SWTOR coming they would have hung on to SWG.
SWG was taken to the vets because it had a big cancerous growth on its neck, it was dragging its back legs around like they were about fall off and it had a mangy unwashed smell eminating from it. It was the only humane thing to do but like all deaths of loved ones it leaves its mark mainly one of thank fuck they did that it might stop the "if SOE did this, that or the other SWG would have millions of subs" codswallop posted by fans of the game. There's even a MMO forum that is dedicated to the fact have a google you'll find it I'm sure Superniceguy, it has MMO in the title you should feel right at home with the other butthurt SWG vets.
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Dont see how it can be a failure if its still running and making money. Sure the FTP is a PR nightmare and a sure sign of troubling times, but a failure? Maybe its semantics but for it to be a failure to me it would have to be shutdown.
38 studios was a failure; Tabula Rasa was a failure; TOR is a huge disappointment not a failure. Thats not to say it wont fail in the future. Time will tell though.
I had huge hopes for it, but there are some design descions, small and large, which irked me and are the ultimate reasons I dont play anymore. But if it can pull off this FTP switch, it might reviltalize the game in the same fashion as LOTRO and EQ2.
F2P from P2P, especially in this short space of time = failure
Blizzard talked of WOW going F2P at some point several years ago, when the time was right, and populations declined, but obviously that time still is not arriving yet.
Also games that do shut down are not necessarily failures, but business decisions, and LA did not think they would have the need for SWG when SWTOR came along with its billions of players (in with the new out with the old), but now SWG and SWTOR would be more or less equal in population strength, and I bet if LA saw the super fast decline of SWTOR coming they would have hung on to SWG.
I think we just have a different opinion of what a failure is. I probably should have elaborated on what I meant by shutdown, so my bad there. Failure to me is closely linked to dollars. If TOR is still making money as a FTP game then I believe its still successful. TOR will always have the diehard SW fans. There is no other game that allow them to live in that universe. SWG was never a failure to me, just a casualty of Bioware and LA's business decisions. If its shutdown by lack of funds or the population is so small its forced to shutdown, then its a failure.
Dont see how it can be a failure if its still running and making money. Sure the FTP is a PR nightmare and a sure sign of troubling times, but a failure? Maybe its semantics but for it to be a failure to me it would have to be shutdown.
38 studios was a failure; Tabula Rasa was a failure; TOR is a huge disappointment not a failure. Thats not to say it wont fail in the future. Time will tell though.
I had huge hopes for it, but there are some design descions, small and large, which irked me and are the ultimate reasons I dont play anymore. But if it can pull off this FTP switch, it might reviltalize the game in the same fashion as LOTRO and EQ2.
F2P from P2P, especially in this short space of time = failure
Blizzard talked of WOW going F2P at some point several years ago, when the time was right, and populations declined, but obviously that time still is not arriving yet.
Also games that do shut down are not necessarily failures, but business decisions, and LA did not think they would have the need for SWG when SWTOR came along with its billions of players (in with the new out with the old), but now SWG and SWTOR would be more or less equal in population strength, and I bet if LA saw the super fast decline of SWTOR coming they would have hung on to SWG.
I think we just have a different opinion of what a failure is. I probably should have elaborated on what I meant by shutdown, so my bad there. Failure to me is closely linked to dollars. If TOR is still making money as a FTP game then I believe its still successful. TOR will always have the diehard SW fans. There is no other game that allow them to live in that universe. SWG was never a failure to me, just a casualty of Bioware and LA's business decisions. If its shutdown by lack of funds or the population is so small its forced to shutdown, then its a failure.
I do not think SWTOR is making money as that is why they are going F2P. If it was making money they would keep it as P2P. Only time will tell if people will actually play it still even in F2P, and get them back to the equivalent 2.4 million subs via the cash shop of what EA seem to think will happen
F2P from P2P, especially in this short space of time = failure
I agree, but SWG is still closed and never coming back. [mod edit]
Not going to renew your sub then TUX? shame the TOR forums would not be the same
I actually will. Not because the game is great, but I like the people I play with and it beats any other sword and hobgoblit game out there.
Yeah half the fun of an MMO is the people you play with.
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F2P from P2P, especially in this short space of time = failure
I agree, but SWG is still closed and never coming back. Sucks huh?!
Not really (on both counts after "I agree") - Is it a bird, is it a plane...? Yes, kind of the first thing
What sucks though is that I can no longer trust companies, and no longer get excited about new game releases.
After SWG and SWTOR, I have virtually had enough of MMOs, it is single player games mainly from now on, but even EA/Bioware is screwing that up now.
MMOs are just becoming cash cows for companies and forfeiting gameplay, and turning single player games (with multiplayer) into MMOs for a monthly fee - First SWTOR and then TSW.
Dont see how it can be a failure if its still running and making money. Sure the FTP is a PR nightmare and a sure sign of troubling times, but a failure? Maybe its semantics but for it to be a failure to me it would have to be shutdown.
38 studios was a failure; Tabula Rasa was a failure; TOR is a huge disappointment not a failure. Thats not to say it wont fail in the future. Time will tell though.
I had huge hopes for it, but there are some design descions, small and large, which irked me and are the ultimate reasons I dont play anymore. But if it can pull off this FTP switch, it might reviltalize the game in the same fashion as LOTRO and EQ2.
F2P from P2P, especially in this short space of time = failure
Blizzard talked of WOW going F2P at some point several years ago, when the time was right, and populations declined, but obviously that time still is not arriving yet.
Also games that do shut down are not necessarily failures, but business decisions, and LA did not think they would have the need for SWG when SWTOR came along with its billions of players (in with the new out with the old), but now SWG and SWTOR would be more or less equal in population strength, and I bet if LA saw the super fast decline of SWTOR coming they would have hung on to SWG.
I think we just have a different opinion of what a failure is. I probably should have elaborated on what I meant by shutdown, so my bad there. Failure to me is closely linked to dollars. If TOR is still making money as a FTP game then I believe its still successful. TOR will always have the diehard SW fans. There is no other game that allow them to live in that universe. SWG was never a failure to me, just a casualty of Bioware and LA's business decisions. If its shutdown by lack of funds or the population is so small its forced to shutdown, then its a failure.
I do not think SWTOR is making money as that is why they are going F2P. If it was making money they would keep it as P2P. Only time will tell if people will actually play it still even in F2P, and get them back to the equivalent 2.4 million subs via the cash shop of what EA seem to think will happen
No SW:TOR is making money but listen to this... its not making enough money.... so they think they can make more by going freemium, its that simple EA could use some cash at the moment with falling share prices and profits, business is brutal at times and this could all backfire but as I've said in previous posts it was probably planned all along.
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If both MMOs were active now, SWG would have more players in it, and most are only playing SWTOR as it is the only Star Wars MMO
If SWG went F2P, it would end up being the next Minecraft in success. The monthly fee barrier would be removed, and millions of peoples imaginations would have brought SWG to life, and gotten the most out if its sandbox features, as it should have been.
SWTOR is utter garbage in my opinion but you must be on crack if you think the above is true.
The bit about Minecraft could be wishful thinking but not the first pragraph you quoted. SWTOR is virtually equal to SWGs population in 2003/2004 according to EA. Wait uintil the 6 months subs all expire next month, and there will be a lot less SWTOR subs.
SWG couldn't even break 300k
If you take away the cancelled 6 months subbers (which expire at the end of this month/early next month) from EAs "above 500K" statement, SWTOR will now be about 300k or less, and still declining. Without F2P it would end up being less than SWG for certain, and in a year it would be literally dead.
Dont see how it can be a failure if its still running and making money. Sure the FTP is a PR nightmare and a sure sign of troubling times, but a failure? Maybe its semantics but for it to be a failure to me it would have to be shutdown.
38 studios was a failure; Tabula Rasa was a failure; TOR is a huge disappointment not a failure. Thats not to say it wont fail in the future. Time will tell though.
I had huge hopes for it, but there are some design descions, small and large, which irked me and are the ultimate reasons I dont play anymore. But if it can pull off this FTP switch, it might reviltalize the game in the same fashion as LOTRO and EQ2.
F2P from P2P, especially in this short space of time = failure
Blizzard talked of WOW going F2P at some point several years ago, when the time was right, and populations declined, but obviously that time still is not arriving yet.
Also games that do shut down are not necessarily failures, but business decisions, and LA did not think they would have the need for SWG when SWTOR came along with its billions of players (in with the new out with the old), but now SWG and SWTOR would be more or less equal in population strength, and I bet if LA saw the super fast decline of SWTOR coming they would have hung on to SWG.
I think we just have a different opinion of what a failure is. I probably should have elaborated on what I meant by shutdown, so my bad there. Failure to me is closely linked to dollars. If TOR is still making money as a FTP game then I believe its still successful. TOR will always have the diehard SW fans. There is no other game that allow them to live in that universe. SWG was never a failure to me, just a casualty of Bioware and LA's business decisions. If its shutdown by lack of funds or the population is so small its forced to shutdown, then its a failure.
I do not think SWTOR is making money as that is why they are going F2P. If it was making money they would keep it as P2P. Only time will tell if people will actually play it still even in F2P, and get them back to the equivalent 2.4 million subs via the cash shop of what EA seem to think will happen
No SW:TOR is making money but listen to this... its not making enough money.... so they think they can make more by going freemium, its that simple EA could use some cash at the moment with falling share prices and profits, business is brutal at times and this could all backfire but as I've said in previous posts it was probably planned all along.
EA have stated they need 500k subs to break even, after next month it will drop below that so it will not be making money.
K team UK,... You spouted so much bull I'll reply together. You simply can not cut out the numbers for Aion or Lineage from Asia when “discussing” the success of SWTOR on the “global” scale when trying to rank the overall popularity of the game. So they operate in Asian countries where SWTOR isn’t yet available? That does not change the fact that both games are more successful “globally” which is all “I” ever claimed. I don't know what a couple of your buddies are rambling about but it isn't what I claimed. Asians exist you can’t just throw them out of the equation and say only the western world matters when talking MMORPGs as all of them are trying to tap into the market on the “other side of the fence” as soon as possible. Boy, I bet every western game maker wishes people would subtract the Asian market when WOW’s paying subscriber number is quoted but it doesn’t happen for good reason...
It’d be like saying RIFT is now the WOW KIller because they are more popular in Kenya today. It might be true on its face but we all know the WOW Killer claim isn’t true all things considered because the rest of the world is still there. You’re trying to spin the game as more successful than it is by trying to place it in a artificial context more favorable to your desires.
Oh, and just for meanness, Runescape can be played in a browser but it is a client based game and they encourage its use. On the purely western market alone which they do share? It has more players than SWTOR too which still makes SWTOR at least number three by your own reckoning when you consider paying subs. :P That doesn't include Dofud either as it has potentially more paying subs here too...
Quote RS Demographics: 60 percent are from the U.S., 25 percent from the EU, smaller percentages from Australia/New Zealand and Canada.
Oh, it doesn’t count? :P The only thing that counts seems to be what you want to count at the time of posting. It surely does by your own standard as an MMORPG,
This post is dumb. ofcourse the number of countries a MMO is released in makes all the difference while comparing it to one which didn't releae on that same level.
How is it even a fair comparison and if that was not your original point why even bring AIOn and Lienage into discussion knowing well that SWTOR hans't released on that scale in Asia yet? and use this flawed premise to prove that Aion and Liengae has more global presence and more people play it compared to SWTOR...well thank you captain obvious.
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Nah for me the biggest mmo failure was STO
I would have said FFXIV but you're right APB takes the cake.
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The bit about Minecraft could be wishful thinking but not the first pragraph you quoted. SWTOR is virtually equal to SWGs population in 2003/2004 according to EA. Wait uintil the 6 months subs all expire next month, and there will be a lot less SWTOR subs.
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Dont see how it can be a failure if its still running and making money. Sure the FTP is a PR nightmare and a sure sign of troubling times, but a failure? Maybe its semantics but for it to be a failure to me it would have to be shutdown.
38 studios was a failure; Tabula Rasa was a failure; TOR is a huge disappointment not a failure. Thats not to say it wont fail in the future. Time will tell though.
I had huge hopes for it, but there are some design descions, small and large, which irked me and are the ultimate reasons I dont play anymore. But if it can pull off this FTP switch, it might reviltalize the game in the same fashion as LOTRO and EQ2.
People, stop saying Tabula Rasa was the biggest failure.
The BIG thing people tend to forget - The TR we got was not the TR Richard Garriott envisioned. It was forced to be completely redesigned by NCSoft mid development, scraping the whole thing and building it up again. It started as this back in 2004: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB9dHVUX2KY&feature=relmfu
When did SWTOR ever fundamentally redesign its premise?
TR may have closed, but the reason it closed is because it was trying to be something different, and people didn' t like it. They tried to make a game that appealed to FPS players in western markets, and somehow still appeal to eastern MMO markets. This was a business decision, not a design one.
SWTOR took a successful IP and almost carbon copied a successful gameplay model, and somehow STILL botched it up. WAR, same thing.
TR failed, without a doubt, but NOT in any way shape or form the way WAR and in some ways SWTOR did.
F2P from P2P, especially in this short space of time = failure
Blizzard talked of WOW going F2P at some point several years ago, when the time was right, and populations declined, but obviously that time still is not arriving yet.
Also games that do shut down are not necessarily failures, but business decisions, and LA did not think they would have the need for SWG when SWTOR came along with its billions of players (in with the new out with the old), but now SWG and SWTOR would be more or less equal in population strength, and I bet if LA saw the super fast decline of SWTOR coming they would have hung on to SWG.
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Did SWG ever have 2.5 millions sold? did SWG have over 500k playerbase after 8 months? was SWG on life support for way over half of its life? and at its end a good source pointed towards there being 12k players left with no support from SOE other than server merges and SOE are masters at making money out of a small playerbase just look at MxO and VGSOH. You have done exactly whant my analogy was trying to point out you have built up an image of SWG success in your head it was a disaster from day one, I implore you get your head out of the sand it would not in a million years have more players than SW:TOR accept that and please move on. SWG vets around here really need to move on its over really its over.
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Who the hell cares if SWTOR was the biggest fail this century or not.
Does it concern you as a consumer whom is no longer paying a sub for SWTOR , as well as an Gamer whom is also no longer playing SWTOR.
I really don't understand this need to prove that SWTOR is an Failure.
Every single Development company out there understands what went wrong, so there was really no need to push this issue. Once the subs slipped below 1 Million and never reached the subs of WOW, they knew that changes needs to happen to their own games.
So is this whole post just an Ego Boost for those that saw it coming, whom didn't put in a single dime into SWTOR and was yelling and screaming that SWTOR will fail and that they want to prove that they are right.
Aren't you just like that preacher that said that the world will end, and three times he has failed, but sure, if he keeps this up, eventually, when the world does end, he will be right, maybe on his 1 millionth time he will finally get it correctly when the sun finally burns out and the world ends.
But really, who cares, those that still plays SWTOR still enjoys it, those that doesn't, have flopped to other games already, with GW2 coming out in less than a month, and WOW expansion right after, and all the other MMO's being developed, its not like this is the end of the MMO genre with the end of SWTOR, it actually breath new life to the Genre.
ME3 had a huge problem, because everything that was quoted during interviews was a lie, so many was angry, but SWTOR did provide joy for alot of players, it just have a very bad end game, tons of bugs, no new contents, and slow updates, and it really shows the lack of MMO experiences from the team.
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SWG is gone. Let it go. Move on. SWTOR is shit, but SWG was still closed.
SWTOR isn't closing any time soon...you can stop wetting yourself over it.
SWG couldn't even break 300k
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I agree, but SWG is still closed and never coming back. Sucks huh?!
Not going to renew your sub then TUX? shame the TOR forums would not be the same
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SWG was taken to the vets because it had a big cancerous growth on its neck, it was dragging its back legs around like they were about fall off and it had a mangy unwashed smell eminating from it. It was the only humane thing to do but like all deaths of loved ones it leaves its mark mainly one of thank fuck they did that it might stop the "if SOE did this, that or the other SWG would have millions of subs" codswallop posted by fans of the game. There's even a MMO forum that is dedicated to the fact have a google you'll find it I'm sure Superniceguy, it has MMO in the title you should feel right at home with the other butthurt SWG vets.
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I actually will. Not because the game is great, but I like the people I play with and it beats any other sword and hobgoblit game out there.
I think we just have a different opinion of what a failure is. I probably should have elaborated on what I meant by shutdown, so my bad there. Failure to me is closely linked to dollars. If TOR is still making money as a FTP game then I believe its still successful. TOR will always have the diehard SW fans. There is no other game that allow them to live in that universe. SWG was never a failure to me, just a casualty of Bioware and LA's business decisions. If its shutdown by lack of funds or the population is so small its forced to shutdown, then its a failure.
I do not think SWTOR is making money as that is why they are going F2P. If it was making money they would keep it as P2P. Only time will tell if people will actually play it still even in F2P, and get them back to the equivalent 2.4 million subs via the cash shop of what EA seem to think will happen
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Yeah half the fun of an MMO is the people you play with.
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Not really (on both counts after "I agree") - Is it a bird, is it a plane...? Yes, kind of the first thing
What sucks though is that I can no longer trust companies, and no longer get excited about new game releases.
After SWG and SWTOR, I have virtually had enough of MMOs, it is single player games mainly from now on, but even EA/Bioware is screwing that up now.
MMOs are just becoming cash cows for companies and forfeiting gameplay, and turning single player games (with multiplayer) into MMOs for a monthly fee - First SWTOR and then TSW.
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No SW:TOR is making money but listen to this... its not making enough money.... so they think they can make more by going freemium, its that simple EA could use some cash at the moment with falling share prices and profits, business is brutal at times and this could all backfire but as I've said in previous posts it was probably planned all along.
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Depends.
I'm conviced EA (see EA Louse) knew this game was fail and needed box sale and digital sales to "save it".
We were had.
So when do we get our refunds?
If you take away the cancelled 6 months subbers (which expire at the end of this month/early next month) from EAs "above 500K" statement, SWTOR will now be about 300k or less, and still declining. Without F2P it would end up being less than SWG for certain, and in a year it would be literally dead.
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EA have stated they need 500k subs to break even, after next month it will drop below that so it will not be making money.
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This post is dumb. ofcourse the number of countries a MMO is released in makes all the difference while comparing it to one which didn't releae on that same level.
How is it even a fair comparison and if that was not your original point why even bring AIOn and Lienage into discussion knowing well that SWTOR hans't released on that scale in Asia yet? and use this flawed premise to prove that Aion and Liengae has more global presence and more people play it compared to SWTOR...well thank you captain obvious.
SWTOR - nothing else comes close.