Originally posted by jeremyjodes Why Not just add the ground game as part of EVE? make dust 514 a expansion and allow EVE players to finally get a true avatar to control instead of spending life as a player vessel?
The lore of the game is that these ground troops have a new tech / implant system. Pod pilots, capsuleers, must be in a pod hooked up with their implants to control their ship. Apparently you don't pay attention to Eve lore. You probably don't know about the Walking in Stations plans of CCP either for pod pilots.
You are correct. was just wondering. thanks for sorta answering.
Originally posted by Wickedjelly So what is the deal with this anyways? There is like no hype whatsoever for this game. A bit surprising considering the notoriety of Eve at this point.
The lack of hype is because the game is a PS3 exclusive. Not many PS3 players. Upset PC gamers. Doesn't add up in their favor for a large fanbase. It's a good game... just it needed to be a PC title.
They are adding a new fanbase. You just don't get it. Having it on the PC will take away players from EVE. Having it on the console adds a whole new playerbase & adds depth to EVE, an already in-depth game.
I disagree. I don't think having it as a PC title would remove players from EVE. It's a completely different genre, MMO versus FPS. They're not competing games, they're complimentary.
If anything, they should have released the game cross platform to capture a much wider audience
I think an analogy is in order. What is better:
Eve is an Ice Cream Shop. Should they open up a new store right accross the street or should they open a new store in a different city and and a few new flavours to their existing store?
So, terrible analogy aside, let me see if I understand your thoughts on the subject: You believe that if they put Dust (a first person shooter) on the PC, that people who pay subs for EVE (a spaceship MMO) would quit in order to exclusively play this new and completely different type of game. So the release of Dust on the same platform as Eve would entirely change someone's taste in what games they prefer to play. And even if they were interested in both genres, they would only play one. That's what it seems like you're saying.
Instead, I believe that players can have complex and coexisting tastes in the types of games they play, and are not held exclusively to one title or another. I also believe that there are many PC gamers, completely new to the EVE universe, that would be interested in purchasing and playing this game.
Originally posted by TheCrow2k I suspect that at this point putting dust on PC would only lead to it being crushed by planetside 2
more than likely, PS2 is looking to be a much better game too, and its a f2p game which should please the freepers, dust is looking increasingly like a flop, both from the standpoint as an Eve player, and as a MMOFPS player. I expect it to be largely ignored from within Eve itself, as PI isnt really all that lucrative, and having to mess around with defending it etc, probably won't be worth the hassle.
Originally posted by Wickedjelly So what is the deal with this anyways? There is like no hype whatsoever for this game. A bit surprising considering the notoriety of Eve at this point.
The lack of hype is because the game is a PS3 exclusive. Not many PS3 players. Upset PC gamers. Doesn't add up in their favor for a large fanbase. It's a good game... just it needed to be a PC title.
They are adding a new fanbase. You just don't get it. Having it on the PC will take away players from EVE. Having it on the console adds a whole new playerbase & adds depth to EVE, an already in-depth game.
I disagree. I don't think having it as a PC title would remove players from EVE. It's a completely different genre, MMO versus FPS. They're not competing games, they're complimentary.
If anything, they should have released the game cross platform to capture a much wider audience
Having played this in closed beta, at the expense of not playing eve, I humbly disagree.
Originally posted by TheCrow2k I suspect that at this point putting dust on PC would only lead to it being crushed by planetside 2
Apples and oranges. They seems similar on paper.
But in reality PS2 is a 3 faction warfare model, while DUST will eventually tie in to EvE alliance warfare.
PS2 will be a balanced shooter with MMO elements, while DUST will be alliance warfare between highly unbalanced entities.
This will play completely different.
I dont doubt that PS2 will be the better shooter (in the classical sense), but thats as much about the platform as anything else. DUST is a different animal. Hell, it made me play shooters on a PS3 which I did never think would happen. And even have a lot of fun doing it....
And for the tin foilers: I dont think its random that Sony and CCP are both making a f2p MMO shooter but not targeting the same platforms. A deal was made.
Originally posted by Wickedjelly So what is the deal with this anyways? There is like no hype whatsoever for this game. A bit surprising considering the notoriety of Eve at this point.
PS3 (targeted playerbase for DUST 514) users don't care about Eve Online and Eve Online players don't care about DUST 514 because it's on PS3..
I can never quite wrap my mind around the choice of PS3.
Hmm ... I don't know they might start caring when they start losing planets.
Sold my PS3 after all tripple A tittles where more shit then ever.
Why they release it for (fail) consoles instead of PC is a big question mark for me, look at how outdated consoles are, when a new console comes out the graphics and hardware are surpased already big time when compared to a pc -_-
So why on earth target console players ?
Also we have PS2 incomming so who gives a shit with 20 versus 20 battles when there is 6000 players in 1 map lulz
I might be the only person putting invisible pieces together, but as an EVE player and PS3 owner, the huges differences between the games will give me a needed rest when one or the other starts to get monotonous. Tired of EVE, play DUST for a week.
Now, that being said: With the impending release of the PS4 in the next year or two, and the already nearly phenominal performance of the PS3, thing is darn near a PC, if the PS4 has the performance of x, x equalling or surpassing a PC in gaming and possibly internet connectivity, does anyone see the possibility of CCP bringing EVE to the PS4? This is also, assuming that the evolution of the gaming console continues along it's path to becoming as PC as a PC, of course.
I guess cheating comes into the equation as well. If far easier for tehm to protect the game from the normal PC autoaiming and invisible wall hacks that allways mare any truely competitive PC fps.
And with EvE players being more than nomally up tight about a level playing field, that actually makes sense.
Originally posted by jeremyjodes Why Not just add the ground game as part of EVE? make dust 514 a expansion and allow EVE players to finally get a true avatar to control instead of spending life as a player vessel?
Originally posted by Wickedjelly So what is the deal with this anyways? There is like no hype whatsoever for this game. A bit surprising considering the notoriety of Eve at this point.
The lack of hype is because the game is a PS3 exclusive. Not many PS3 players. Upset PC gamers. Doesn't add up in their favor for a large fanbase. It's a good game... just it needed to be a PC title.
They are adding a new fanbase. You just don't get it. Having it on the PC will take away players from EVE. Having it on the console adds a whole new playerbase & adds depth to EVE, an already in-depth game.
I disagree. I don't think having it as a PC title would remove players from EVE. It's a completely different genre, MMO versus FPS. They're not competing games, they're complimentary.
If anything, they should have released the game cross platform to capture a much wider audience
Having played this in closed beta, at the expense of not playing eve, I humbly disagree.
So you cancelled your subscription and will no longer play EVE because you can play this game instead?
If Eve had a ground game with avatars it would have been the perfect game for more SWG vets. They should have made Dust an expansion...a reverse Jump to Lightspeed.
Once more, for those who have not been paying attention to the multiple times the answer has been given:
1) CCP wants to break into a completely different game market with a completely different fan base, that of the non-PC game console FPS games
2) CCP did try to get agreements in place to have Dust 514 on more than just the PS3. They tried very hard to also get it on the Xbox, but Microsoft would not agree to allow them proper access to the networks and servers so that CCP could adequately support/maintain the game for the Xbox, and in the end it was MICROSOFT, not CCP, that cancelled the deal. Sony, on the other hand, did agree to allow the required access on the Playstation network
Originally posted by Wickedjelly So what is the deal with this anyways? There is like no hype whatsoever for this game. A bit surprising considering the notoriety of Eve at this point.
PS3 (targeted playerbase for DUST 514) users don't care about Eve Online and Eve Online players don't care about DUST 514 because it's on PS3.
I can never quite wrap my mind around the choice of PS3.
Sony's platform is pretty easy to program for. Now a PC / PS3 release I'd like to have seen. XBox's Live has a few more restrictions for cross platform play. FFXI had a lot of documentation on this, but it worked out. So they could've branded out more.
Originally posted by Wickedjelly So what is the deal with this anyways? There is like no hype whatsoever for this game. A bit surprising considering the notoriety of Eve at this point.
It's a FPS game designed for the EVE players. It even hooks into the EVE game universe.
The major problem Dust has is that CCP Games were't able to develop a PC client for the game and as a result their EVE player base may not take up Dust. Given how competitive the FPS market is, and at the moment zombie games are all the rage, it seems like Dust could be the incoming iceberg that sinks CCP Games ship.
same here. Actually what would have killed it for sure would be Dust 514: Wii
Problem with Nintendo and Microsoft is their rules governing third party online games. Only SOny will probably allow for the kind of cash shop that could float the Dust boat, assuming the game is any good and catches on with people.
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You are correct. was just wondering. thanks for sorta answering.
So, terrible analogy aside, let me see if I understand your thoughts on the subject: You believe that if they put Dust (a first person shooter) on the PC, that people who pay subs for EVE (a spaceship MMO) would quit in order to exclusively play this new and completely different type of game. So the release of Dust on the same platform as Eve would entirely change someone's taste in what games they prefer to play. And even if they were interested in both genres, they would only play one. That's what it seems like you're saying.
Instead, I believe that players can have complex and coexisting tastes in the types of games they play, and are not held exclusively to one title or another. I also believe that there are many PC gamers, completely new to the EVE universe, that would be interested in purchasing and playing this game.
more than likely, PS2 is looking to be a much better game too, and its a f2p game which should please the freepers, dust is looking increasingly like a flop, both from the standpoint as an Eve player, and as a MMOFPS player. I expect it to be largely ignored from within Eve itself, as PI isnt really all that lucrative, and having to mess around with defending it etc, probably won't be worth the hassle.
This.
Having played this in closed beta, at the expense of not playing eve, I humbly disagree.
Apples and oranges. They seems similar on paper.
But in reality PS2 is a 3 faction warfare model, while DUST will eventually tie in to EvE alliance warfare.
PS2 will be a balanced shooter with MMO elements, while DUST will be alliance warfare between highly unbalanced entities.
This will play completely different.
I dont doubt that PS2 will be the better shooter (in the classical sense), but thats as much about the platform as anything else. DUST is a different animal. Hell, it made me play shooters on a PS3 which I did never think would happen. And even have a lot of fun doing it....
And for the tin foilers: I dont think its random that Sony and CCP are both making a f2p MMO shooter but not targeting the same platforms. A deal was made.
Hmm ... I don't know they might start caring when they start losing planets.
Sold my PS3 after all tripple A tittles where more shit then ever.
Why they release it for (fail) consoles instead of PC is a big question mark for me, look at how outdated consoles are, when a new console comes out the graphics and hardware are surpased already big time when compared to a pc -_-
So why on earth target console players ?
Also we have PS2 incomming so who gives a shit with 20 versus 20 battles when there is 6000 players in 1 map lulz
I might be the only person putting invisible pieces together, but as an EVE player and PS3 owner, the huges differences between the games will give me a needed rest when one or the other starts to get monotonous. Tired of EVE, play DUST for a week.
Now, that being said: With the impending release of the PS4 in the next year or two, and the already nearly phenominal performance of the PS3, thing is darn near a PC, if the PS4 has the performance of x, x equalling or surpassing a PC in gaming and possibly internet connectivity, does anyone see the possibility of CCP bringing EVE to the PS4? This is also, assuming that the evolution of the gaming console continues along it's path to becoming as PC as a PC, of course.
Anything new here? Hmmm... Nope. o/
I guess cheating comes into the equation as well. If far easier for tehm to protect the game from the normal PC autoaiming and invisible wall hacks that allways mare any truely competitive PC fps.
And with EvE players being more than nomally up tight about a level playing field, that actually makes sense.
Because they wanted to develop a console game.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
So you cancelled your subscription and will no longer play EVE because you can play this game instead?
Once more, for those who have not been paying attention to the multiple times the answer has been given:
1) CCP wants to break into a completely different game market with a completely different fan base, that of the non-PC game console FPS games
2) CCP did try to get agreements in place to have Dust 514 on more than just the PS3. They tried very hard to also get it on the Xbox, but Microsoft would not agree to allow them proper access to the networks and servers so that CCP could adequately support/maintain the game for the Xbox, and in the end it was MICROSOFT, not CCP, that cancelled the deal. Sony, on the other hand, did agree to allow the required access on the Playstation network
3) point 1 plus point 2 = PS3 exclusive game
NOW PLEASE STOP ASKING THE QUESTION!
Where's the any key?
Hmm, game looks cool.
Too bad I don't own a PS3 and I'm not about to go buy 6-7 year old technology to try one interesting game.
Sony's platform is pretty easy to program for. Now a PC / PS3 release I'd like to have seen. XBox's Live has a few more restrictions for cross platform play. FFXI had a lot of documentation on this, but it worked out. So they could've branded out more.
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It's a FPS game designed for the EVE players. It even hooks into the EVE game universe.
The major problem Dust has is that CCP Games were't able to develop a PC client for the game and as a result their EVE player base may not take up Dust. Given how competitive the FPS market is, and at the moment zombie games are all the rage, it seems like Dust could be the incoming iceberg that sinks CCP Games ship.
same here. Actually what would have killed it for sure would be Dust 514: Wii
Problem with Nintendo and Microsoft is their rules governing third party online games. Only SOny will probably allow for the kind of cash shop that could float the Dust boat, assuming the game is any good and catches on with people.