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Cancelled my pre-order today. Heres why

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  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904


    Originally posted by Maketso
    After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ). What came up?*Intro Scene* What company helped produce it? EA LOL

    Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft.

    Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.

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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by Maketso

    After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).

     

    What came up?

    *Intro Scene*

     

    What company helped produce it?

     

    EA

     

    LOL

     

    I almost think he is serious. I think it's best to let this one go.

     

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Maketso
    After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).

     

     

    What came up?

    *Intro Scene*

     

    What company helped produce it?

     

    EA

     

    LOL


     

    Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft.

    Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.

    No NCsoft owns GW2. big difference. 

  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Maketso
    After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).

     

     

    What came up?

    *Intro Scene*

     

    What company helped produce it?

     

    EA

     

    LOL


     

    Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft.

    Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.

     Psst, you may want to update your sig.

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Maketso
    After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).

     

     

    What came up?

    *Intro Scene*

     

    What company helped produce it?

     

    EA

     

    LOL


     

    Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft.

    Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.

    No NCsoft owns GW2. big difference. 

    ArenaNet operates autonomously from NCSoft. NCSoft recognizes talent and gives ArenaNet free reign. Which is much different from how EA handles things as is evident by what happened with SWTOR and may happen with TSW.

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  • CrunkJuice2CrunkJuice2 Member Posts: 568
    Originally posted by Maketso

    After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).

     

    What came up?

    *Intro Scene*

     

    What company helped produce it?

     

    EA

     

    LOL

    yeah i already knew the secret world was going to suck when i saw the words funcom

     

     

  • MaketsoMaketso Member Posts: 25
    Originally posted by Aelious
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Maketso
    After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).

     

     

    What came up?

    *Intro Scene*

     

    What company helped produce it?

     

    EA

     

    LOL


     

    Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft.

    Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.

     Psst, you may want to update your sig.

    You got double owned and I didnt need to even respond. GG

    And anything EA touches goes downhill in some way. Many know this.

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Originally posted by Pelagato
    Originally posted by heartless
    Originally posted by Pelagato
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    elves and orcs fantasy that we have seen a million times. GW2 is really just WoW minus raids and sub fees.

    minus the elves and orcs as well...

    The rest of your post though is your opinion, yet a politely disagree with all of it. Sorry the game didn't work out for you and I hope you find what you want.

    No raids doesnt sound like an opinion at all... its just a fact...

    There are raids though. It's just that they are not instanced.

    oh!!! So the no raids is a downward LIE or fanbois are just calling openworld crap a raid now...

    This openworld crap, look a lot like how raiding was done in EQ and DAoC...  Which was so much fun.

     

    The fact that WoW moved all their content to instaces, does not make open world Mass PvE, any less attractive then it used to be.

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904

    [quote]Originally posted by Aelious


    Originally posted by Nitth  

    Originally posted by Maketso After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).     What came up? *Intro Scene*   What company helped produce it?   EA   LOL   Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft. Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.
     Psst, you may want to update your sig.

    I have the aion collectors edition. I love that game to death. It wanst until the western carebarization came and took away my fun. did i leave.

    I dont understand what my relationship with aion has to do with company agreements of the titles in question.


    And anything EA touches goes downhill in some way. Many know this.
    So if both companies have suspect pasts, why did you even make the point in the first place?

    And just to clear a few things up, EA has not contractual right to change anything TSW, They are only publishers

    As Arena is a sub company of NCsoft. Ncsoft has the contractual right to change what ever they seem fit. Ie cash shop mech and prices.

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  • DreskestDreskest Member Posts: 69
    Originally posted by FlawSGI

    Man this guy again with the GW2 hate.  I put him on block long ago and I suggest anyone that is looking for a real discussion do the same because you won't get one. Here, I'll leave this here again and keep asking myself WTF you keep making threads in GW2 section OP if it aint to troll.  

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5082046#5082046

    By your own words you were gonna stop trolling the GW2 forums and MMORPG in general and if you can't even be honest with that, then how can anything you say afterwards be taken seriousely?

     

    Why they keep making threads in GW2 section if it ain't to troll ?

     

    For the same reason blind GW2 fanbois keep trolling and hating in other games forums. At least I give credit to the OP for creating a thread.

    I can not say the same thing about this GW2 fanboi Zylaxx just copy/pasting his thread and replacing GW2 for TSW and posting it in TSW's forums.

    Talk about a total lack of originality.

     

    And to the OP, I never cancelled my preorder because I never preordered to begin with.

    Having played for about 30 hours in the last beta event, I think GW2 is very dull and shallow on so many levels that it is not worth my money and time when it goes live.

     

    To the GW2 community, have fun with your game and if you want to know a bit more about my criticism of GW2 feel free to check my post history. I do not post much, but the criticism is definitely there. 

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686

     

    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Maketso
    After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).

     

     

    What came up?

    *Intro Scene*

     

    What company helped produce it?

     

    EA

     

    LOL


     

    Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft.

    Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.

     

     
    Aion is currently the 2nd largest MMO in the scene, steadilly at 2 - 3M players, mostly in Asia.
     
    You have got no clue about MMO failures at all.

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • CrunkJuice2CrunkJuice2 Member Posts: 568
    "Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft.

    Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world. "

    well arenanet are made up of ex blizzard employee's.which everyone knows that blizzard arent known for there quality in there mmorpgs,rehashing content for years comes to mind in this mmo called world of warcraft

     

  • CrunkJuice2CrunkJuice2 Member Posts: 568
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

     

    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Maketso
    After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).

     

     

    What came up?

    *Intro Scene*

     

    What company helped produce it?

     

    EA

     

    LOL


     

    Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft.

    Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.

     

     
    Aion is currently the 2nd largest MMO in the scene, steadilly at 2 - 3M players, mostly in Asia.
     
    You have got no clue about MMO failures at all.

    exactly,ncsoft's mmos do better overseas then they do in america because there korean mmos.which arent piss easy and casual garbagefests like world of warcraft and other american mmos

     

  • MaketsoMaketso Member Posts: 25
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Aelious

    Originally posted by Nitth  

    Originally posted by Maketso After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).     What came up? *Intro Scene*   What company helped produce it?   EA   LOL
      Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft. Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.
     Psst, you may want to update your sig.

     

    I have the aion collectors edition. I love that game to death. It wanst until the western carebarization came and took away my fun. did i leave.

    I dont understand what my relationship with aion has to do with company agreements of the titles in question.

     


    And anything EA touches goes downhill in some way. Many know this.
    So if both companies have suspect pasts, why did you even make the point in the first place?

     

    Counteracting the OP's post. Its on topic for that, and to simply say that EA is awful.

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  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904


    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
     

    Originally posted by Nitth  

    Originally posted by Maketso After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).     What came up? *Intro Scene*   What company helped produce it?   EA   LOL
      Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft. Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.  
      Aion is currently the 2nd largest MMO in the scene, steadilly at 2 - 3M players, mostly in Asia.   You have got no clue about MMO failures at all.

    Talk to me about retention in the west?

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  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Originally posted by CrunkJuice2
    "Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft.

    Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world. "

    well arenanet are made up of ex blizzard employee's.which everyone knows that blizzard arent known for there quality in there mmorpgs,rehashing content for years comes to mind in this mmo called world of warcraft

     

    If one thing is okay with Blizzard, then its the quallity of the content, they are masters at it.

     

    Sadly they currently fail in the departments of diversity and quantity

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by CrunkJuice2
    "Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft.

    Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world. "

    well arenanet are made up of ex blizzard employee's.which everyone knows that blizzard arent known for there quality in there mmorpgs,rehashing content for years comes to mind in this mmo called world of warcraft

     

    Just to add to your post, ArenaNet is ran by Blizzard employees who made Blizzard what it is today. It's a solid team, which is evident by GW1 and GW2.

    Edit: from what I understand, they actually left Blizzard and started ArenaNet because they didn't like the direction WoW was heading to.

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  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904


    Originally posted by Maketso
    Originally posted by Nitth   Originally posted by Aelious Originally posted by Nitth   Originally posted by Maketso After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).     What came up? *Intro Scene*   What company helped produce it?   EA   LOL   Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft. Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.
     Psst, you may want to update your sig.
      I have the aion collectors edition. I love that game to death. It wanst until the western carebarization came and took away my fun. did i leave. I dont understand what my relationship with aion has to do with company agreements of the titles in question.   And anything EA touches goes downhill in some way. Many know this.
    So if both companies have suspect pasts, why did you even make the point in the first place?  
    Counteracting the OP's post. Its on topic for that, and to simply say that EA is awful.

    What does ea got to do with gw2?

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Creslin321

    Yep, I agree.

    There was a lot of hate thrown at SWTOR before release as well, but I felt like much of it was actually warranted.  GW2 hate posts though, they are always like one or two legitimate reasons of why someone may not like the game, and then a bunch of stuff that is basically made up.

    I mean...if you don't like the game because it has no raiding, no mounts, or no trinity...then just say that, you don't need to say any more.  But just about everyone HAS to say more it seems...and that's when we get the absolute BS complaints like 

    1.  No endgame.

    2.  PvP is a zergfest.

    3.  Combat is just a spamfest and requires no skill.

    4.  Cash shop is pure P2W.

    I mean, just to compare...a similar hate post directed against TSW would look like:

    I hate TSW because it has a modern theme, the combat is not very exciting, it has no raids, and it raped my sister.

    It is no different, yet it's warranted? ALl this sounds like to me is "as long as it's not my game", as that's what it is. What people here think of the OP is exactly what should be applied to those who felt the need to constantly remind everyone they didn't like SWTOR, TSW, AOC. It's all the same thing, people who feel the need to tell everyone why this or that game is bad, over and over and over again, the same thing is happening to TESO as well. It happens to any high profile game here. Everyone who does it feels it's warranted, because this or that game wasn't made to their specification.

    TSW is also getting a bunch of flak for having "NO ENDGAME". Every new MMO does.

     

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
     

    Originally posted by Nitth  

    Originally posted by Maketso After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).     What came up? *Intro Scene*   What company helped produce it?   EA   LOL
      Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft. Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.  
      Aion is currently the 2nd largest MMO in the scene, steadilly at 2 - 3M players, mostly in Asia.   You have got no clue about MMO failures at all.

     

    Talk to me about retention in the west?

    Thats not what your staement said, you talked about failure, Aion is far from a failure as a game. Some people never can admit when they are talking nonsense, which is a little bit sad, dont you agree?

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • UkiahUkiah Member Posts: 273
    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    Months ago before I started ebta testing this game I was very excited. I had bought into the hype that GW2 was the future and was gonna do things differently but after all the beta testing I finally had to be honest with myself about the game. The truth is that GW2 is basically more of the same with a few differences.

    1. No raids- ANet removed raids because they know that their PVE system is to simple and casual to support complex and difficult raiding. Raids like everything else in GW2 (like pvp) are nothing but a button mashing zergfest. Having raids would have made this all the more obvious.

    2. No sub fee but cash shop oreiented which borders on P2W- One of GW2 's big selling points is that it has no sub-fee. This is a good thing but in all honesty they HAD to do this since GW2 simply doesnt have the content to justify paying a monthly sub. So instead ANet added a cash shop which gives rewards as good as the best stuff you can find in game and other things which makes it arguably Pay 2 win. And even if its not P2W at launch its obvious to anyone who is familiar with MMO's that it will end up that way.

    3. Pointless zerg pvp- PvP is supposed to be the strength of GW2 but in reality it is extremely shallow. PvP basically consists of running around in zergs and punching gates for hours on end for no reason.  There is no actual purpose to GW2 pvp. No ladders, rankings, and no way to build a rep because you are given a generic name so nobody knows who you are.

    4. No endgame- GW2 endgame= the same stuff you were doing since level one since "everything is endgame". Once you hit 80 there is nothing to do which provides actual character progression anymore.

    I really wanted this game to succeed and be great but I cant lie to myself. The fact is that GW2 is shallow and generic. Its more elves and orcs fantasy that we have seen a million times. GW2 is really just WoW minus raids and sub fees. Luckily TSW's excellent stories and atmosphere which is unique and difficult will be able to tide me over until Planetside 2 launches which will be the next big MMO that revolutionizes the genre.

    Let me "TLDR" this for you:

     

    "I completely missed the point of this game."

     

    /thread

  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904


    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Originally posted by Nitth  

    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus  

    Originally posted by Nitth  

    Originally posted by Maketso After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).     What came up? *Intro Scene*   What company helped produce it?   EA   LOL
      Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft. Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.  
      Aion is currently the 2nd largest MMO in the scene, steadilly at 2 - 3M players, mostly in Asia.   You have got no clue about MMO failures at all.
      Talk to me about retention in the west?
    Thats not what your staement said, you talked about failure, Aion is far from a failure as a game. Some people never can admit when they are talking nonsense, which is a little bit sad, dont you agree?

    Did you not read that i specificily said west in my op?

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  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Originally posted by Nitth  

    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus  

    Originally posted by Nitth  

    Originally posted by Maketso After the OP bashed GW2 and said TSW is better, I decided to watch a video on it. ( Just to see what pops up ).     What came up? *Intro Scene*   What company helped produce it?   EA   LOL
      Whats your point? Who publishes gw2? Ncsoft. Which also made Aion, One of the greatest mmorpg failures in history of the western world.  
      Aion is currently the 2nd largest MMO in the scene, steadilly at 2 - 3M players, mostly in Asia.   You have got no clue about MMO failures at all.
      Talk to me about retention in the west?
    Thats not what your staement said, you talked about failure, Aion is far from a failure as a game. Some people never can admit when they are talking nonsense, which is a little bit sad, dont you agree?

     

    Did you not read that i specificity said west in my op?

    Asian games generally don't do too good in the west anyway. Good thing that GW2 is not an asian game, right?

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  • xr00t3dxxr00t3dx Member Posts: 275

    As of 3/22/12 you were all up on GW2's nuts. Defending no raids as a great thing. I guess you hadn't really done any reasearch into the game at the point and just blowing hot air to everyone.

     

  • BilboDogginsBilboDoggins Member Posts: 198
    Originally posted by Dreskest
    Originally posted by FlawSGI

    Man this guy again with the GW2 hate.  I put him on block long ago and I suggest anyone that is looking for a real discussion do the same because you won't get one. Here, I'll leave this here again and keep asking myself WTF you keep making threads in GW2 section OP if it aint to troll.  

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5082046#5082046

    By your own words you were gonna stop trolling the GW2 forums and MMORPG in general and if you can't even be honest with that, then how can anything you say afterwards be taken seriousely?

     

    Why they keep making threads in GW2 section if it ain't to troll ?

     

    For the same reason blind GW2 fanbois keep trolling and hating in other games forums. At least I give credit to the OP for creating a thread.

    I can not say the same thing about this GW2 fanboi Zylaxx just copy/pasting his thread and replacing GW2 for TSW and posting it in TSW's forums.

    Talk about a total lack of originality.

     

    And to the OP, I never cancelled my preorder because I never preordered to begin with.

    Having played for about 30 hours in the last beta event, I think GW2 is very dull and shallow on so many levels that it is not worth my money and time when it goes live.

     

    To the GW2 community, have fun with your game and if you want to know a bit more about my criticism of GW2 feel free to check my post history. I do not post much, but the criticism is definitely there. 

    Very well thought out post and I agree with everything you just said except the first sentence. Its a shame there arent more people around here who can just be honest and tell the truth about things. Kudos to you sir.

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