There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Well I was so pumped for this game, got into the Beta b/c I'm an EvE subscriber and I have to say this game has some serious problems. Making it on the PS3 just severely limited the graphics. In fact I would go so far as to say as its ugly as hell. Additionally (in my opinion) using a controler to control a FPS is just not as intuitive as a mouse and keyboard. Worst yet is there is pay 2 win...you can gain "boosters" (atleast right now) to increase gain from matches. WTF so yea people w/ big pockets are going to get into the best stuff faster.
My biggest gripe though is that the game is like Battlefield on crack. As an infantry (using your gun) you are absolutely worhtless compared to the vechicles. People in tanks and stuff are just racking up 80+ kills w/ 0-2 deaths. If your not in a vechicle you will get insta-killed. Anti vechicle weapons do exist but they seem to do complete shit damage to the vehicles.
Also the game is so severely limited right now because it is in BETA and there are a ton of "coming soon" features but there is no visible tie in to the game EVE yet. In fact there is a warzone selection screen akin to old Socom/Counter Strike/GW2 match or server selection.
EDIT: HOLY CRAP So i just watched the video linked (took me a while to find it) and yea a lot of the gripes are spot on and what I thought as well.
This game has been such a huge monetary drain on CCP. I wonder if, when it innevitably flops, it will drag World of Darkness down with it. Part of me thinks that would be a tragedy. On the other hand, another part of me thinks it would be good, given that CCP can't seem to figure out how to program combat outside spaceships worth a damn.
In a larger sense, though, I want it to flop so developers will end this cross-platform nonsense once and for all. The simple fact of the matter is that, not only are consoles far too transitive and temporary to build something linked to an MMORPG on (IE, I can't afford to buy a new console every 5 years to keep up), they're becoming passe in general. I wouldn't be surprised if the next two decades sees consoles become extinct entirely. PCs can be upgraded, used for other things, and don't cost all that much more than these systems when they launch. When I have kids, I'm not even going to buy them an X-Box or whatever, because it's a huge goddamned waste of money.
Did anyone stop to think that maybe they put it on the PS3 because they didn't wnat to pull players off of the actual game on PC? Now you space commanders get your army of screaming cannon fodder 14 yr olds, and the contempt you hold in your hearts for console games will make it that much easier to order orbital strikes on your own mercenaries to insure the victory.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
When Dust 514 flops, maybe then CCP will put WIS and actual avatar game play into EVE. Then again, if Dust 514 does flop, CCP maybe paying off a 20 million loan for he next few years and EVE will be on life support and see very little growth.
Originally posted by alexanys1982 They chose what they think is the larger $crowd (consoles) but I still dont get it....the ps3 has 1.5, maybe 2 years of life left at MOST before the ps4 comes out....
Don't necro treads from over a month ago to troll and cry about ps3 release.
Originally posted by Teala When Dust 514 flops, maybe then CCP will put WIS and actual avatar game play into EVE. Then again, if Dust 514 does flop, CCP maybe paying off a 20 million loan for he next few years and EVE will be on life support and see very little growth.
If Dust flops then it will prove that people aren't interested in avatar based play in the EVE universe. Therefore CCP will cancel Incarna entirely!
Say, this "make shit up and apply moon-logic to it" game is fun. Your move - and hurry up because I want to play again!
Ummm, I think you missed the point... I'm saying that whatever platform the game comes out on, it wont sell much due to the IP and player base being abysmal.
Lucky its f2p and dont have to sell then...
I am fairly sure that a more or less perpeptual precense on the front page of the PS3 shop, which it has already had for half a year, will do a lot to push it to players who just want to try out free stuff.
2 hours of game play and don't think I could play it again.. Currently Eve looks fantastic but I thought Dust 514 looked terrible in comparison.. But stuck on a 6 year old console using a Unreal Engine 3 and not 4, it won't be all that cracking!!!
The only up side to Dust is you will be able to connect a keyboard/mouse.. and if thats the case why not release on PC.. *sigh*
All hail the Barn Owl! oh.. and the RED SQUIRREL!!!
Originally posted by BrokenSpoon 2 hours of game play and don't think I could play it again.. Currently Eve looks fantastic but I thought Dust 514 looked terrible in comparison.. But stuck on a 6 year old console using a Unreal Engine 3 and not 4, it won't be all that cracking!!!The only up side to Dust is you will be able to connect a keyboard/mouse.. and if thats the case why not release on PC.. *sigh*
The reason why they don't release on PC is that consoles are a closed ecosystem less prone to cheating. And if you cheat and get caught, your hardware-ID get's banned and you can buy a new console, if you want to continue playing. The unified hardware also levels the playingfield.
And a PS3 is a real bargain. A HTPC including BluRay-player for $200 isn't too bad.
Lets completely ignore the fact that Eve players are on PC
Lets ignore all the suggestion posts of Eve evolving into Ground based Fps/Vehicle combat over planetary control.
Last I checked the 300-400k accounts that give CCP money are all on PC, The people that buy the books, the mechandise and goto your stupid fanfest are all on PC.
This game even if it was mediocre would have sold like hotcakes ON PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont know who makes the decisions over there at CCP but not delivering this game to their PC customer base is pure stupidity!!!!!!!!!!
./rant over
Got to love people that haven't read or understood the reasons behind the console launch. No intellegence to see here, move on.
The issue that I have with this game is that the skills in Dust train in real time. From what a friend of mine told me whether it was accurate or not will take total of 7 years to train. PS3 games dont have longevity like many pc games do. How many ppl are gonna play this game for more than 2 months let alone up to 7 years. Lets just hope it has CODMW long term play. I just dont see it.
***Raving Rabbid show Denarys Targeryn how to dance!***
Same argument as with EVE, you can be a competitor in whatever you specialise very quickly, in EVE less than a month you are useful in PVP if thats what you want to do, in mining, in scanning, in industry etc.
They are trying to make a fps that isn't 30 seconds of play until the next game that is exactly the same comes along but with a black ops/special forces/deep strike title afterwards
Originally posted by alexanys1982 They chose what they think is the larger $crowd (consoles) but I still dont get it....the ps3 has 1.5, maybe 2 years of life left at MOST before the ps4 comes out....
Well that's good because it's a psn game not a ps3 game. They can just port it to the ps4 when it comes out and up the graphics accordingly.
Played it for 3 hours, and I can't take it anymore. Controls are sluggish, Graphics are horrible, everything's gray...And combat is the worst. Every game comes down to who has the better stuff...literally. I started late, so I was behind the curve. My first game I went 0-12 lol. In an EXTREMELY similar game (bf3) I go 30-0 all the time with my sniper... The battlefields are too small, and when you get someone on the opposing team with a massive tank...it takes over 8 shots from the starter heavy trooper to kill it...you only get 6 shots before you have to find ammo...I can't think of one thing done right.
Originally posted by Minsc they have these people called teammates. I hear things go better if you work with them.
Pfft! I am a one-man wrecking crew and a complete baddass in my own right!!
The ONLY reason I play MMOs and is so that other people can bear witness to my greatness!! I don't actually want to play with multiple players in multiplayer games!!
/sarcasm off
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone www.spankybus.com -3d Artist & Compositor -Writer -Professional Amature
Lets completely ignore the fact that Eve players are on PC
Lets ignore all the suggestion posts of Eve evolving into Ground based Fps/Vehicle combat over planetary control.
Last I checked the 300-400k accounts that give CCP money are all on PC, The people that buy the books, the mechandise and goto your stupid fanfest are all on PC.
This game even if it was mediocre would have sold like hotcakes ON PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont know who makes the decisions over there at CCP but not delivering this game to their PC customer base is pure stupidity!!!!!!!!!!
./rant over
Probably 18039% accurate but i'll accept that this may only be 100% accurate.
Didn't they even delay or bounce WoD for this game?
Doesn't matter anyway. I'm sure that EVE fans will go buy the PS3 just to play this game.. ... .... ...or not
Lets completely ignore the fact that Eve players are on PC
Lets ignore all the suggestion posts of Eve evolving into Ground based Fps/Vehicle combat over planetary control.
Last I checked the 300-400k accounts that give CCP money are all on PC, The people that buy the books, the mechandise and goto your stupid fanfest are all on PC.
This game even if it was mediocre would have sold like hotcakes ON PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont know who makes the decisions over there at CCP but not delivering this game to their PC customer base is pure stupidity!!!!!!!!!!
./rant over
I cant agree more what were they thinking of course money talks how much did sony pay for this exclusif .
I find it really odd that a PC game company would go exclusively PS3 when Sony itself is releasing Planetside 2 on PC. Stupd business decision is stupid.
"If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let their be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it." -Luke McKinney, The 7 Biggest Dick Moves in the History of Online Gaming
"In the end, SWG may have been more potential and promise than fulfilled expectation. But I'd rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity." -Raph Koster
Almost every game that gets ported turns out to be bad no matter if its pc to console or vice versa. I will never understand why they went the ps3 route with this project.
I dont understand either..
They seem to think Console is the future of MMO's. I think (at this point anyway) that its a no mans land for MMO's..
The moment they anounced it was for console,I cringed.
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Does anyone know WHY they release it on PS3? Did they make a statement or something?
I'm very baffled, CCP seems a very good developer but this desicion makes absolutly no sense.
- I think the particular kind of people who play Eve are not likely to have a PS3.
So they betting non Eve players will play this, I don't think Eve is well known by the console crowd.
- PS4 will probably release next year.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/DUST514_Survey
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
It is indeed crap so far atleast. Didn't even feel like glorified verion of BF3.
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
Almost 50% of Eve players own a PS3??
I'm sorry but I don't believe those numbers.
Well I was so pumped for this game, got into the Beta b/c I'm an EvE subscriber and I have to say this game has some serious problems. Making it on the PS3 just severely limited the graphics. In fact I would go so far as to say as its ugly as hell. Additionally (in my opinion) using a controler to control a FPS is just not as intuitive as a mouse and keyboard. Worst yet is there is pay 2 win...you can gain "boosters" (atleast right now) to increase gain from matches. WTF so yea people w/ big pockets are going to get into the best stuff faster.
My biggest gripe though is that the game is like Battlefield on crack. As an infantry (using your gun) you are absolutely worhtless compared to the vechicles. People in tanks and stuff are just racking up 80+ kills w/ 0-2 deaths. If your not in a vechicle you will get insta-killed. Anti vechicle weapons do exist but they seem to do complete shit damage to the vehicles.
Also the game is so severely limited right now because it is in BETA and there are a ton of "coming soon" features but there is no visible tie in to the game EVE yet. In fact there is a warzone selection screen akin to old Socom/Counter Strike/GW2 match or server selection.
EDIT: HOLY CRAP So i just watched the video linked (took me a while to find it) and yea a lot of the gripes are spot on and what I thought as well.
This game has been such a huge monetary drain on CCP. I wonder if, when it innevitably flops, it will drag World of Darkness down with it. Part of me thinks that would be a tragedy. On the other hand, another part of me thinks it would be good, given that CCP can't seem to figure out how to program combat outside spaceships worth a damn.
In a larger sense, though, I want it to flop so developers will end this cross-platform nonsense once and for all. The simple fact of the matter is that, not only are consoles far too transitive and temporary to build something linked to an MMORPG on (IE, I can't afford to buy a new console every 5 years to keep up), they're becoming passe in general. I wouldn't be surprised if the next two decades sees consoles become extinct entirely. PCs can be upgraded, used for other things, and don't cost all that much more than these systems when they launch. When I have kids, I'm not even going to buy them an X-Box or whatever, because it's a huge goddamned waste of money.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
Don't necro treads from over a month ago to troll and cry about ps3 release.
If Dust flops then it will prove that people aren't interested in avatar based play in the EVE universe. Therefore CCP will cancel Incarna entirely!
Say, this "make shit up and apply moon-logic to it" game is fun. Your move - and hurry up because I want to play again!
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Lucky its f2p and dont have to sell then...
I am fairly sure that a more or less perpeptual precense on the front page of the PS3 shop, which it has already had for half a year, will do a lot to push it to players who just want to try out free stuff.
2 hours of game play and don't think I could play it again.. Currently Eve looks fantastic but I thought Dust 514 looked terrible in comparison.. But stuck on a 6 year old console using a Unreal Engine 3 and not 4, it won't be all that cracking!!!
The only up side to Dust is you will be able to connect a keyboard/mouse.. and if thats the case why not release on PC.. *sigh*
All hail the Barn Owl! oh.. and the RED SQUIRREL!!!
The reason why they don't release on PC is that consoles are a closed ecosystem less prone to cheating. And if you cheat and get caught, your hardware-ID get's banned and you can buy a new console, if you want to continue playing.
The unified hardware also levels the playingfield.
And a PS3 is a real bargain. A HTPC including BluRay-player for $200 isn't too bad.
Got to love people that haven't read or understood the reasons behind the console launch. No intellegence to see here, move on.
Same argument as with EVE, you can be a competitor in whatever you specialise very quickly, in EVE less than a month you are useful in PVP if thats what you want to do, in mining, in scanning, in industry etc.
They are trying to make a fps that isn't 30 seconds of play until the next game that is exactly the same comes along but with a black ops/special forces/deep strike title afterwards
Well that's good because it's a psn game not a ps3 game. They can just port it to the ps4 when it comes out and up the graphics accordingly.
Pfft! I am a one-man wrecking crew and a complete baddass in my own right!!
The ONLY reason I play MMOs and is so that other people can bear witness to my greatness!! I don't actually want to play with multiple players in multiplayer games!!
/sarcasm off
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature
Probably 18039% accurate but i'll accept that this may only be 100% accurate.
Didn't they even delay or bounce WoD for this game?
Doesn't matter anyway. I'm sure that EVE fans will go buy the PS3 just to play this game.. ... .... ...or not
I cant agree more what were they thinking of course money talks how much did sony pay for this exclusif .
"If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let their be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it."
-Luke McKinney, The 7 Biggest Dick Moves in the History of Online Gaming
"In the end, SWG may have been more potential and promise than fulfilled expectation. But I'd rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
-Raph Koster
I dont understand either..
They seem to think Console is the future of MMO's. I think (at this point anyway) that its a no mans land for MMO's..
The moment they anounced it was for console,I cringed.