Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
not sure why you continually feel the need to spread false information on the game
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
not sure why you continually feel the need to spread false information on the game
Because all his threads and posts get blocked and editted and his voice needs to be heard by the heavens themselves. This post itself will probly be editted and people will miss the reference.
"The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport." I'm copying that because I feel like this will be editted, but lets see if you are right or not. I'm pretty positive it will become an e-sport due to GW history and the basis behind the design of this game.
Originally posted by palulalula She really can't kill any skilled player in wow, in fact i can't remember when she killed anyone. But how for heaven she got so many kills in gw2 beta pvp if is gw2 so much about skills???
And how did you know she was fighting against a skilled GW2 player? This was in beta so she was probably fighting against a newbie like herself too. In structured PvP you are buffed to level 80 and all your skills and traits are unlocked, so everyone is on even footing. In WoW as you've stated, she was probably fighting a player with better gear
Originally posted by mad-hatter It probably helps that during bwe's there was a metric ass ton of horrible pvpers.
Pretty much this. You could join any random pug sPVP and destroy anyone with almost any spec because people were still learning. I'd also wager that a large number of players went in with whatever pre-loaded spec they were given and didn't even bother to make a proper build.
Tournaments are a completely different animal.
Also keep in mind the OP has been trolling GW2 for a while now.
Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
And you're judging this based on what exactly?
based on PvPing since 2002 and playing all 3 gw2 BWEs.
Let's do a quick comparison with WoW which is a game with low skill cap as well.
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = gw2 easier
wow no downed state, gw2 yes downed state = gw2 easier
wow has resource management, gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
wow has cc diminishing returns , gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
Are they actually trying into making GW2 an e-sport? Does not seem fast paced enough to make for an interesting e-sport though.
Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
Wow's level in vanilla was I believe 60, now 85 i believe
Lotro's level cap atm is 75
Rift's level cap is 60
Guild war's 1 level cap is 20
Guild war's 2 level cap is 80
Age of conan level cap is 80
Please do some research before spouting of with BS. Have a nice day.
Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
so all these guys from Arena Junkies,Dragon season etc who follow the game for the pvp are idiots and you are the pro pvper who knows evrything right?
Its just nice to see a couple actually play games together. Hopefully that will catch on..and by catch on I mean me meeting a super gamer geek girl lol.
Not sure OP, might be gear or just that everyone is starting off rather average in GW2 until the mechanics are learned. WoW has had more time for people to learn things and put skill on gear.
Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
so all these guys from Arena Junkies,Dragon season etc who follow the game for the pvp are idiots and you are the pro pvper who knows evrything right?
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
And you're judging this based on what exactly?
based on PvPing since 2002 and playing all 3 gw2 BWEs.
Let's do a quick comparison with WoW which is a game with low skill cap as well.
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = gw2 easier
wow no downed state, gw2 yes downed state = gw2 easier
wow has resource management, gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
wow has cc diminishing returns , gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
etc..
ok....
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = WoW easier to keep someone locked down
WoW no downed state, gw2 downed state = WoW easier to finish off opponents
WoW has resource management, GW2 does also = Same
WoW CC has diminishing returns, GW2 doesn't = WoW has a shitty mechanic
Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
And you're judging this based on what exactly?
based on PvPing since 2002 and playing all 3 gw2 BWEs.
Let's do a quick comparison with WoW which is a game with low skill cap as well.
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = gw2 easier
wow no downed state, gw2 yes downed state = gw2 easier
wow has resource management, gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
wow has cc diminishing returns , gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
etc..
*golf clap* Man, thats what makes this game easier. So your first point and your last point really kind of correlate, there is limited cc in GW2 and it doesnt last longer, thus it needs no diminishing returns like in WoW.
WoW has no dodge mechanic, gw2 does = WoW easier
WoW has specific specs designed for PvP, gw2 doesn't = WoW easier
WoW has PvP specific gear with a PvP specific stat, gw2 doesn't = WoW easier
I can go on as well. Your points honestly don't make the game sound anymore easier than mine do. All you are doing is stating points that GW2 doesn't have that WoW does. Honestly, if you feel WoW is harder in PvP then by all means play WoW, noone will care to see you go. But like Aerowyn already stated, stop spewing misinformation to everyone and calling it factual. We know you don't like the game, so why do you bother to come on these forums to tell us?
Originally posted by palulalula She really can't kill any skilled player in wow, in fact i can't remember when she killed anyone. But how for heaven she got so many kills in gw2 beta pvp if is gw2 so much about skills???
Seriously only skill WoW takes is putting on all of your grind reward armor and mashing a few buttons.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
And you're judging this based on what exactly?
based on PvPing since 2002 and playing all 3 gw2 BWEs.
Let's do a quick comparison with WoW which is a game with low skill cap as well.
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = gw2 easier
wow no downed state, gw2 yes downed state = gw2 easier
wow has resource management, gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
wow has cc diminishing returns , gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
etc..
ok....
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = WoW easier to keep someone locked down
WoW no downed state, gw2 downed state = WoW easier to finish off opponents
WoW has resource management, GW2 does also = Same
WoW CC has diminishing returns, GW2 doesn't = WoW has a shitty mechanic
sort of pointless he could watch the videos posted earlier in the thread and see himself but like the other threads he isn't here for a discussion.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Originally posted by otinanai123 The skill cap in gw2 is the lowest I've seen in an MMO(yes, even lower than WoW, which I never thought was possible). This is both bad and good. It will attract many casual players and PvEers but it will also drive away the PvPers. The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport.
And you're judging this based on what exactly?
based on PvPing since 2002 and playing all 3 gw2 BWEs.
Let's do a quick comparison with WoW which is a game with low skill cap as well.
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = gw2 easier
wow no downed state, gw2 yes downed state = gw2 easier
wow has resource management, gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
wow has cc diminishing returns , gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
etc..
ok....
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = WoW easier to keep someone locked down
WoW no downed state, gw2 downed state = WoW easier to finish off opponents
WoW has resource management, GW2 does also = Same
WoW CC has diminishing returns, GW2 doesn't = WoW has a shitty mechanic
sort of pointless he could watch the videos posted earlier in the thread and see himself but like the other threads he isn't here for a discussion.
Ever notice that he always skips useful information, then argues with people who just bash him instead then wonders why he's hated. I'm shocked that the admins haven't straight up banned him by now since he gets his post editted and blocked so often.
Without the need for specific gear and learning a rotation, a player can adapt very quickly in skill based pvp.
I prefer action combat pvp over learning rotation pvp. The main reason is that rotation pvp always has a set of pivot points based on your competition. They are similar to If Then sub routines. If player x does this Then do y or If player x does something else Then do w and so on.
For some players this is not great pvp. If they can't adjust to the competition they often just resort to a default rotation or worse just pop everything without any reason or purpose.
Maybe the person in question is just a GW2 savant? It does not matter really. I do not like WOW pvp. Gear is the main factor, and skill difficult to determine based on the variables involved.
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = WoW easier to keep someone locked down
WoW no downed state, gw2 downed state = WoW easier to finish off opponents
WoW has resource management, GW2 does also = Same
WoW CC has diminishing returns, GW2 doesn't = WoW has a shitty mechanic
sort of pointless he could watch the videos posted earlier in the thread and see himself but like the other threads he isn't here for a discussion.
I just think it's silly that the exact points he lists can actually make WoW look easier than GW2. I actually like WoW a lot and the truth of it is that they play a lot different. There will be extremely skilled players playing both games.
Yeah. I'm thinking she has finally found a game and profession that fits her playstyle and since there is no gear grind in sPvP, she doesn't have to wonder if it's skill or gear determining her level of success/failure. Your girlfriend has skillz in this game! So be happy for her!
BTW, I think the only pvpers who aren't going to like GW2 sPvP are those who think they are good PvPers in other games due to a gear grind advantage. For every person who shines in GW2 PvP, free of the yoke of a PvP stat gear grind, there will be those who find the discovery that they aren't very skilled after all a bit of a let down.
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not sure why you continually feel the need to spread false information on the game
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
yes i am quoteing my self why.
any one who plays WoW and some that do not know that you can look up the status of any player in the game, that info could show the OP right or wrong
to me it is now to late to give the info as they are eather trying to find the rigth info witch they sould have had right away or it is all made up.
Because all his threads and posts get blocked and editted and his voice needs to be heard by the heavens themselves. This post itself will probly be editted and people will miss the reference.
"The biggest con is that there is no way in hell this game will become an e-sport." I'm copying that because I feel like this will be editted, but lets see if you are right or not. I'm pretty positive it will become an e-sport due to GW history and the basis behind the design of this game.
And how did you know she was fighting against a skilled GW2 player? This was in beta so she was probably fighting against a newbie like herself too. In structured PvP you are buffed to level 80 and all your skills and traits are unlocked, so everyone is on even footing. In WoW as you've stated, she was probably fighting a player with better gear
Pretty much this. You could join any random pug sPVP and destroy anyone with almost any spec because people were still learning. I'd also wager that a large number of players went in with whatever pre-loaded spec they were given and didn't even bother to make a proper build.
Tournaments are a completely different animal.
Also keep in mind the OP has been trolling GW2 for a while now.
based on PvPing since 2002 and playing all 3 gw2 BWEs.
Let's do a quick comparison with WoW which is a game with low skill cap as well.
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = gw2 easier
wow no downed state, gw2 yes downed state = gw2 easier
wow has resource management, gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
wow has cc diminishing returns , gw2 doesn't = gw2 easier
etc..
my review of GW2
Are they actually trying into making GW2 an e-sport? Does not seem fast paced enough to make for an interesting e-sport though.
Wow's level in vanilla was I believe 60, now 85 i believe
Lotro's level cap atm is 75
Rift's level cap is 60
Guild war's 1 level cap is 20
Guild war's 2 level cap is 80
Age of conan level cap is 80
Please do some research before spouting of with BS. Have a nice day.
so all these guys from Arena Junkies,Dragon season etc who follow the game for the pvp are idiots and you are the pro pvper who knows evrything right?
Its just nice to see a couple actually play games together. Hopefully that will catch on..and by catch on I mean me meeting a super gamer geek girl lol.
Not sure OP, might be gear or just that everyone is starting off rather average in GW2 until the mechanics are learned. WoW has had more time for people to learn things and put skill on gear.
more videos showing the start of the eSport
http://www.youtube.com/user/GuildSource/videos?view=0
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
ok....
WoW's cc ~8 sec, GW2's ~2-3 = WoW easier to keep someone locked down
WoW no downed state, gw2 downed state = WoW easier to finish off opponents
WoW has resource management, GW2 does also = Same
WoW CC has diminishing returns, GW2 doesn't = WoW has a shitty mechanic
*golf clap* Man, thats what makes this game easier. So your first point and your last point really kind of correlate, there is limited cc in GW2 and it doesnt last longer, thus it needs no diminishing returns like in WoW.
WoW has no dodge mechanic, gw2 does = WoW easier
WoW has specific specs designed for PvP, gw2 doesn't = WoW easier
WoW has PvP specific gear with a PvP specific stat, gw2 doesn't = WoW easier
I can go on as well. Your points honestly don't make the game sound anymore easier than mine do. All you are doing is stating points that GW2 doesn't have that WoW does. Honestly, if you feel WoW is harder in PvP then by all means play WoW, noone will care to see you go. But like Aerowyn already stated, stop spewing misinformation to everyone and calling it factual. We know you don't like the game, so why do you bother to come on these forums to tell us?
Seriously only skill WoW takes is putting on all of your grind reward armor and mashing a few buttons.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
sort of pointless he could watch the videos posted earlier in the thread and see himself but like the other threads he isn't here for a discussion.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Ever notice that he always skips useful information, then argues with people who just bash him instead then wonders why he's hated. I'm shocked that the admins haven't straight up banned him by now since he gets his post editted and blocked so often.
you know what... skill and mmo shouldn't be in the same sentence.
Without the need for specific gear and learning a rotation, a player can adapt very quickly in skill based pvp.
I prefer action combat pvp over learning rotation pvp. The main reason is that rotation pvp always has a set of pivot points based on your competition. They are similar to If Then sub routines. If player x does this Then do y or If player x does something else Then do w and so on.
For some players this is not great pvp. If they can't adjust to the competition they often just resort to a default rotation or worse just pop everything without any reason or purpose.
Maybe the person in question is just a GW2 savant? It does not matter really. I do not like WOW pvp. Gear is the main factor, and skill difficult to determine based on the variables involved.
I just think it's silly that the exact points he lists can actually make WoW look easier than GW2. I actually like WoW a lot and the truth of it is that they play a lot different. There will be extremely skilled players playing both games.
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
Yeah. I'm thinking she has finally found a game and profession that fits her playstyle and since there is no gear grind in sPvP, she doesn't have to wonder if it's skill or gear determining her level of success/failure. Your girlfriend has skillz in this game! So be happy for her!
BTW, I think the only pvpers who aren't going to like GW2 sPvP are those who think they are good PvPers in other games due to a gear grind advantage. For every person who shines in GW2 PvP, free of the yoke of a PvP stat gear grind, there will be those who find the discovery that they aren't very skilled after all a bit of a let down.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"