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Optimization and Performance
Andorhal
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in Guild Wars 2
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/bill-freist-talks-optimization-and-performance/
tl;dr to come
tl;dr
- Bill Freist: Quality Assurance Department
- His job: Making sure the game works on as many computer configs as possible
- A driver version can make a difference of up to 20 FPS
- Issues that are fixed are adden to the KB
- On a machine with a core i5 processor w/ auto-detected settings:
- Highest FPS is on a AMD Radeon HD 7970 card
- Lowest FPS is on an Intel HD 3000 card
- And then he proceeds to tell you to go through the regular support channels
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That is a nice post by ANet. My only issue is that, running a FX-4170 (4.2ghz) with 16gigs of DDR3 (1600) and a 7970 and I feel with Shadows Low, FXAA off, but everything else maxed at 1400x900 @ 75hz (vsync on), I should not be dropping below 60 FPS during PvE (understandable in WvWvW due to the shear number of models) but I seem to be dropping as low as 40 FPS.
The only ideas that comes to my mind about why I am having such poor performance with all this hardware is optimization or the AMD FX series of CPUs really do not perform at all. Which, if that is the case, I will have to spend another $600+ to replace the mobo, new CPU, and Heatsink/Fan.
The reasoning behind my suggestion is that I can reduce the resolution down to 1024x768 and I gain no FPS, which sounds like my CPU is maxed out.
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I think your bottleneck assesment is correct. In practice, AMD CPUs end up performing on par with intel chips that have half the number of cores. It looks like you are essentially using a Core 2 Duo.
I'm wondering if it's my CPU that is the problem for me too, because when I switched between best performance and auto-detect there was no FPS change... but also when I checked CPU usage it was below 50%, so I'm not so sure that is the issue either.
I also have a quad core AMD but of a different model... A8-3850.
Turn vsync off..
I have ran the game on all 3 of my systems, I'll list from worst to best -
worst :
AMD Athlon 64 x2 Dual Core 3800 CPU
4gig ram
1gig GT 240
average 15-25fps
good:
FX 4100
Radeon 7870
8gig ram
average fps 35-45 but it dipped significantly in the oddest places...
Best:
i5 3570k oc'ed to 4.2
Radeon 7970
8gig ram
average FPS 60-75
on my best system I don't recall dipping under 45fps unless it was a gigantic battle in WvW.
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My PC Specs:
i5-3570k oc'ed @4.2GHz
8GB 1600 RAM
GTX670 oc'ed @ 1.25Ghz
Samsung 830 SSD.
so i5 can run it if you have a good video card . but in the future they will also become obsolete
here is the kicker when I put the 7970 into the AMD machine the FPS improved by like 5-10 FPS soooo ya...
But when I took the 7870 card and put it into the Ivy Bridge machine I barely lost 10 FPS :P go figure.
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My PC Specs:
i5-3570k oc'ed @4.2GHz
8GB 1600 RAM
GTX670 oc'ed @ 1.25Ghz
Samsung 830 SSD.
thats just not true. intel CPUs perform better because of their design architecture not because # of cores. actually my AMD1100t outperforms comparable pricepoint Intel CPUs in heavily multithreaded applications. but even if what you said was true it wouldnt explain his low performance because # of cores does not scale well with performance in videogames. tests have shown that past 2 cores, adding more cores has a small impact on FPS. also past 3.5 ghz todays games dont run significantly better with more CPU clock. check Toms Hardware for their articles on this. past 2 cores at 3.5 ghz, the GPU is far more impacting on FPS. over 4 hours of tonights beta stresstest, my AMD1100t @4.0 with a 6950 at 1600x1050 logged 41-78 FPS with all settings on High except shadows on low. personally i think Zyllos' issue is either drivers or something else not mentioned. especially with him running a 7970 at only 1400x900
It's pathetic for the game to even be below 100fps @ 1080p when running a Radeon 700 or a Nvidia 600 series gpu. Graphically the game is a complete turd, there's no excuse for it be so un-optimized outside of WvWvW.
Ultra settings on TSW my rig gets 80-120fps consistently when questing, and minimum 40-60fps in a zerg in Fusang. And that game absolutely blows GW2 out of the water graphically. It's basically 2012 vs 2004 visually.
Well considering TSW uses the exact same engine as AoC, yeah, we expect it to run well. Do you not remember how horrible it was for optimization when AoC launched? Give it time.
I7 Extreme 950 2.6 Ghz Turbo to 2.9 Ghz
Radeon HD 4850
6 Gig memory
60 FPS on high settings in most quite zone's
45 FPS in WvW where 50 players are present
5 FPS when 200 players present
Medium setteings
60 FPS quite zone's
50/45 FPS in WvW with 50 players
25 FPS in WvW with 200 players
Low Setting
60 FPS in quite zone's
60/50 FPS in Wvw with 50 payers
30/35 FPS in WvW with 200 players
Game could be abit better optimized, but iam sure Arenanet is working their butts off to improve everything.
They alse addes a few new grahic options, + beta extended 1 hour to test a little more stuff.
Is the game ready for launch ? No it will not - Will it be playable ? Yes it will
It looks like the game is still pretty CPU dependent, because I have the same video card and was getting 10-15 fps with maybe 50 players around in WvW at lowest settings 1360x768 resolution. The big difference here is your CPU.
One other odd thing I noticed is that when I tried the integrated graphics of my A8-3850 I had pretty much the same performance and it is considerably less powerful than the 4850.
Something fishy is definitely going on.
Maybe some sort of issues between my CPU and the game idk.
Software, Bios, ISP and Configuration in achieving performance in games is your point because without it hardware is nothing!
More cores mean nothing if the game is not optimized to use more than 2-4 cores so 6-8 cores is just a waste!
Some GPU's will out perform last series ( ATI 6xxx vs 7xxx) may do better than others, depends on the game.
Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5164689#5164689
Not a GW fanboi, but different engines, software, bios, and platform preferance makes a difference!
On certain Games my AMD/ATI build beats my friends Intel/Nvidia Build and vice versa!
On FFXIV his build beats mine but in BF3 I beat him! The word is optimization!
Just as the saying goes no 2 ppl are a like! same can be said for builds!
Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5164689#5164689
Hehe, sort of figured that AMD(ATI) cards would perform better on GW2 since, GW1 had ATI (AMD) logos all over their boxes :P.
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Pretty ridiculous if you have to have the latest cpu generation of one brand to play.
I went from a AM2+ socket 2.8Ghz quad core, 6gb 800Mhz ram...
To Intel i5-2500K, 16GB 1600 Mhz ram...
Running with an AMD HD6970. The change in performance was like day and night. It's now running very smooth.
Also, for those of you with performance issues. Make sure you don't have any forced graphics settings in Catalyst Control Center etc. I remember playing around there and one of those settings had me down to 15-25 FPS. Can't remember which one it was.
Congratulations, the I5-2500k is an excellent processor. I got my sister one of those processors and a motherboard bundled for 320$ and she loves it.
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Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
YMMV- they've obviously done good optimization for a lot of computers because I've seen lots of posts commenting on how much people's performance increased between BWE's. I've got a 4-year old laptop with pretty mediocre hardware that performs better than you're getting, so it's obviously an issue with specific hardware configurations that the game has problems with, not a global optimization issue like you're claiming.
No it's not my Q9400 (which is a few years old now) never went over 70% (ON ALL cores) the only limiting factor in the game is GPU which climbs as high as 100% (and then the performance drops occur) You should either start using a different program to check your GPU usage (my 5850 was at 100%) or post a few screenshots of that 30% GPU because judging by my experience on ALL STRESS TESTS so far it is a lie. I also posted my own % in another thread to prove my point. So pics or lies
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums