I guess you're right. That does not mean however that GW2 aspects do not appeal to me...the whole cooking gem craffting exploration thing is mind-boggling. I wouldn't mind just cooking all day long and looking for plants. If only the combat wasn't the majority of the focus...
Here's a thought... why not do just that? Step out of your normal routine in these games and be the only guy who leveled a character to 80 primarily from gathering/cooking. Just as you said, there's not much else to play right now anyway.
I'm going to give it a month or couple of months to see what people are saying...at least that is my plan. You never know, I may pick it up on a whim at the last minute.
I had preordered and played in a couple of BWE's but cancelled. It may be that I was just burned out on gaming though...so I am keeping an open mind.
Personally I hope it suceeds as I would love a good pvp game to play and I love a lot of the concepts and ideas.
When I played though, I couldn't put my finger on it, but it felt too much like a console game to me.
Also, call me skeptical but I can't help but wonder if these forums will look like SWTOR's, AoC's, WAR's etc. etc. etc. a couple of month from now. Remember they were all the end all and be all once too.
That is exactly my point. As soon as people started waking up and calling these games on their BS, everyone just goes "troll, lock.". And then the game rolls around and the cynics are right EVERY SINGLE TIME.
PAST PERFORMANCE NOT INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS
Seriously though, some people will have this reaction. Some people will also be incredibly bummed they missed the "awesome launch period" (note: this is true whether there actually is an "awesome launch" or not).
One important difference between previous releases and GW2 is many of us have already put in well over 100 hours with the game and are basing our impressions/views/feelings on that. I remember SWTOR and TSW and the large number of posts from both Closed and Open Beta Testers crying "Beware, Beware!!!" who were often shouted down by the fanbois.
Where are those many CBT posts for GW2? Simple they don't exist because so many have actually played the game without any NDA. GW2 will certainly not be "the perfect game" for everybody but expect it to do well, very well, because it does deliver on what it promised to for many of us.
OP - I feel for you. It sounds like your tastes aren't "mainstream" and that definitely sucks when looking for a game (especially an MMO since their development costs and chance of failure are so high). There are several people who knowing their tastes I have specifically recommended to them that they stay away from GW2 because it just isn't the style of game they like. Hopefully Archeage, Salem, or The Repopulation are looking good to you?
One reason I truly hope GW2 is successful is because they did take some risks and not make another WoW Clone. I really want that success to carry throughout the industry giving other companies to try new, well-thought-out designs that appeal more to "Sandboxers" as well as other types of gamers.
Yeah, you probably are. Most of us realize that reviews these days arent reviews so much as paid puff pieces.
They can't be critical of a product when their revenues is dependant upon advertising dollars from the same companies producing those products. So reviews = useless.
Yes I agree. I am waiting on honest and mostly user and youtube reviews, not IGN etc...
I gotta say though that the environments in GW2 are simply amazing.
Well most users have already played the game and rate it very highly, if you still can't commit to purchasing the game then i guess this game is just not for you. Gamers are such drama queens it's a game not a life choice, buy it play it like it or hate it.
Originally posted by D3lit3 How is this logic for you - I open up a youtube video full screen 720p. That is pretty much me playing the game. I don't need a physical copy. Hell, I can even pretend I'm clicking the same buttons he is. I don't need personal experience in the game to more or less get a feel for the game.
It's utterly flawed, the funniest part is I actually think you believe that.
Not after watching 1 or 2 videos, mind you.
If a person cannot tell what a game will be like after watching 50+ videos on it, they should be admitted to a hospital. The only thing I have no authority to judge is possibly fluidity and animation, but when I know every location and dungeon for the first 20 lvls by heart why should I play the game? Do you think I'll suddenly form an opinion because I am the one walking or running? The gameplay and graphics will be the exact same.
Based on what you said (and how you interpret the videos you have watched), it doesn't look like you'll like the game even if the metascore is like 9+. Honestly, you should probably just move to another game that you might like more.
There are games I will wait for review on, and ones that have my money at hello. There are also games I back on Kickstarter such as The Repopulation.
Guild Wars 2 had my money the day pre-purchase started and I was willing to gamble we would have a fun game here. The way ArenaNet took care of their Guild Wars community was stellar, and while that game wasn't for everyone, it was quality for it's day. Still is a great little game to tool around in for cheap as hell, even today. I was thinking last night they could almost put it in a browser and stick it on Facebook or the iPad.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
How is this logic for you - I open up a youtube video full screen 720p. That is pretty much me playing the game. I don't need a physical copy. Hell, I can even pretend I'm clicking the same buttons he is. I don't need personal experience in the game to more or less get a feel for the game.
Do you think just because someone is not the driver of a car that makes him ignorant to the make, model, and specs of it? Themepark is very limited and if this Asura youtube guy is killing a fire elemental rest assured if I played I would do the same thing with different skills.
Using the same logic you don't need to ever actually take a vacation, just look at pictures from other people's vacations. Ahhhh smell that ocean air! You don't even need to bother with buying groceries, just look at a picture of a Big Mac until you're not hungry anymore (which can actually work but not because you're full, just nauseated)
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
Originally posted by D3lit3 How is this logic for you - I open up a youtube video full screen 720p. That is pretty much me playing the game. I don't need a physical copy. Hell, I can even pretend I'm clicking the same buttons he is. I don't need personal experience in the game to more or less get a feel for the game.
It's utterly flawed, the funniest part is I actually think you believe that.
Not after watching 1 or 2 videos, mind you.
If a person cannot tell what a game will be like after watching 50+ videos on it, they should be admitted to a hospital. The only thing I have no authority to judge is possibly fluidity and animation, but when I know every location and dungeon for the first 20 lvls by heart why should I play the game? Do you think I'll suddenly form an opinion because I am the one walking or running? The gameplay and graphics will be the exact same.
You can't get a feel for a game by just watching videos of it, it is always different once you experience it from your own point of view. i thought tera looked amazing in the videos i watched but playing it for myself wasn't even half as good. That's like saying i know what sex is like because i've watched porn.
I'm going to give it a month or couple of months to see what people are saying...at least that is my plan. You never know, I may pick it up on a whim at the last minute.
I had preordered and played in a couple of BWE's but cancelled. It may be that I was just burned out on gaming though...so I am keeping an open mind.
Personally I hope it suceeds as I would love a good pvp game to play and I love a lot of the concepts and ideas.
When I played though, I couldn't put my finger on it, but it felt too much like a console game to me.
Also, call me skeptical but I can't help but wonder if these forums will look like SWTOR's, AoC's, WAR's etc. etc. etc. a couple of month from now. Remember they were all the end all and be all once too.
That is exactly my point. As soon as people started waking up and calling these games on their BS, everyone just goes "troll, lock.". And then the game rolls around and the cynics are right EVERY SINGLE TIME.
PAST PERFORMANCE NOT INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS
Seriously though, some people will have this reaction. Some people will also be incredibly bummed they missed the "awesome launch period" (note: this is true whether there actually is an "awesome launch" or not).
One important difference between previous releases and GW2 is many of us have already put in well over 100 hours with the game and are basing our impressions/views/feelings on that. I remember SWTOR and TSW and the large number of posts from both Closed and Open Beta Testers crying "Beware, Beware!!!" who were often shouted down by the fanbois.
Where are those many CBT posts for GW2? Simple they don't exist because so many have actually played the game without any NDA. GW2 will certainly not be "the perfect game" for everybody but expect it to do well, very well, because it does deliver on what it promised to for many of us.
OP - I feel for you. It sounds like your tastes aren't "mainstream" and that definitely sucks when looking for a game (especially an MMO since their development costs and chance of failure are so high). There are several people who knowing their tastes I have specifically recommended to them that they stay away from GW2 because it just isn't the style of game they like. Hopefully Archeage, Salem, or The Repopulation are looking good to you?
One reason I truly hope GW2 is successful is because they did take some risks and not make another WoW Clone. I really want that success to carry throughout the industry giving other companies to try new, well-thought-out designs that appeal more to "Sandboxers" as well as other types of gamers.
All valid points. You're right, it does sound oddly positive around here. Maybe it IS just a very good game.
Originally posted by Sixpax
Originally posted by D3lit3
I guess you're right. That does not mean however that GW2 aspects do not appeal to me...the whole cooking gem craffting exploration thing is mind-boggling. I wouldn't mind just cooking all day long and looking for plants. If only the combat wasn't the majority of the focus...
Here's a thought... why not do just that? Step out of your normal routine in these games and be the only guy who leveled a character to 80 primarily from gathering/cooking. Just as you said, there's not much else to play right now anyway.
A good idea, I didn't know you could do that. I just might.
After playing the beta, I'm 100 percent sure that I will enjoy this game, in some ways the game is sandboxed in some ways it is themepark. I don't plan on buying another mmo any time soon, if there is an SWG2.0 coming out in 2016 right away I'm preordering it.
Also, you can't trust on reviews, you can't trust on sources, you have to trust yourself, and trust what kind of game you like and try it out yourself.
Looking at: The Repopulation Preordering: None Playing: Random Games
Unfortunately I think GW2 PvP mainly consists of how spell X counters skill Y, and it pretty much boils down to two people mashing their 1-5 moving weirdly around. In a perfect world, I would like this to be more tactical, skill, and war based - FPS targeting, flanks, cover, positioning, and ragdoll. However, sometimes I am amazed by the amount of people who played games like Devil May Cry 3 and massively enjoyed those senseless button mashing/numbers flying out of head games while I would look and laugh. So my opinion may be entirely void, but at least I am not harming anyone. But I digress.
Thoughts?
Im sorry, but please specify that you are looking for a modern CONSOLE fps feel. CS, UT99, FEAR, Quake, had none of these things (other than covering and positioning, but these two things were only because the user themselves was creative in finding cover, not hitting X to auto cover and not be able to get hit.). Modern FPS are very dumbed down in my opinion (I pick one up and in an hour I have it mastered and am out getting 2nd/1st on leaderboards), whereas classic (and TRUE) FPS took time, patience, practice, and skill.
And I am not digressing here. I think that if you like current console FPS games, then you should play them. If you want a more intuitive, skillbased experience (that hearkens back to the user being in control), try GW2, you might really enjoy it. As with all games, its really easy to circle-strafe easy enemies; but once skill starts separating itself from casual or "noob" play, with people specializing builds more, etc, you will see a vast difference between the great PVPers and the noob. I'll use UT99 as an example: when it first came out basically everyone played decently, then slowly people started separating themselves, servers settings were built for hardcore and specific play, and skill, intuition and teamwork became the keys. It feels weird comparing GW2 PVP to an FPS, but this is the case, imho.
"I don't like the way this game looks. I want all of you to defend it against my perception."
There have been thousands of games that didn't interest me, that I didn't like the look of, or the feel of. What I did was ignore them and look for something else. I certainly didn't seek people out on each game and ask them why I should play it. Life's too short.
It's more like
"I don't like the combat of this AAA game. I want all of you to join in and kill the hype train once and for all because it is affecting developers ability to make GREAT legendary games. Not good.
Originally posted by TdogSkal
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by Teh_Axi
Originally posted by D3lit3
Thoughts?
I think you're ridiculously opinionated and ignorant, you dismiss things and belittle them just because they don't fit into your very limited view of what is "right". You past judgement on games you obviously have never played then look down those that enjoy them and act like that is perfectly ok, this entire post is just a testament to how small minded you are.
To answer your question however, no you won't like this game.
Please dismiss everything good I said about GW2, and how I acknowledge it is a good game. I belittle the combat because, in comparison to other games that I have played, it is lackluster. Simple.
How do you know the combat is lackluster? Per your own words you have not played it yet. So again how do you know the combat is lackluster? Oh right you do not, you are just a hater. Plan and simple. Nothing more, nothing less.
You should try some common sense and logic for once in your life. Clearly you do not have either as of now.
When I first read your post, I figured, this is a player that does not like themepark games but yet he wants to know if he will like a themepark game. Now I know why. You lack common sense and logic. If you dislike themepark games, they why would you care about knowing more information about a themepark game?
Also Mount and Blade combat is not better than GW2 combat. I have PLAYED BOTH. Skyrim was also a very simple and easy game, no thinking required to beat that game, just follow what the NPCs tell you to do and you will win the game. (not a bad thing but funny people like you see it as sandbox and not what it really is, a themepark without rails)
Mount and Blade combat is easy after you learn how the combat works, it is button mashing like you said you hate but clearly you do not if you like M&B combat. Sure you do not have a skill bar but you do nothing but click your mouse botton to block or attack over and over again while moving around to avoid being hit. Hmmm sounds like GW2 combat to me and again I have played GW2 and know how the combat works, you do not.
Is GW2 the end all be all MMORPG? Nope
Is GW2 for everyone? Nope, you are clearly not who this game was made for. (You also have no idea what kind of game you want but that is another story)
Guild Wars 2 will be my home for many years after playing the beta's and stress tests. $60 for even a month worth of entertainment is beyond a good deal. Lets forget the fact that $60 is nothing in today's world, shit $60 is what it cost to fill up my car when its on E.
How is this logic for you - I open up a youtube video full screen 720p. That is pretty much me playing the game. I don't need a physical copy. Hell, I can even pretend I'm clicking the same buttons he is. I don't need personal experience in the game to more or less get a feel for the game.
Do you think just because someone is not the driver of a car that makes him ignorant to the make, model, and specs of it? Themepark is very limited and if this Asura youtube guy is killing a fire elemental rest assured if I played I would do the same thing with different skills.
Well what you are using is not logic at all, so I dislike what you call logic. Just watching a video is not like you playing at all. You do not know what the guy is doing, or how he got those skills, or why he is using those skills instead of the other ones. You simply do not know because you have not played the game. You cannot get a feel for the game or the combat by watching a video. That is not even logic, its simple common sense.
Using your logic nobody would ever need to test drive a car because I saw someone else driving the car on my 50" HD TV, so its just like me driving it. You are not even riding in the car someone else is driving by just watching a video. You cannot get a feel for the game, the combat, the pace via a video. You can see the animations, the spell effects and a basic understand of how combat works but you cannot know how all the combat works unless you play it.
Lets use your logic again shall we. I watch NHL Hockey highlights on Youtube all the time as I am a huge hockey fan but just because I watched them on Youtube in HD, does not mean I can do what they do or that I am basiclly doing what they are doing because I am watching it on HD.
I stand by my statement that you lack common sense and logic. The only way to know if you are going to like a video game or not is to play the video game. Just like most things in life, unless you try it first hand, you will not know for sure if you like it or not.
For example I loved EQ1, if you go and watch combat video's on EQ1, you will ask yourself how the hell did I like that game, it looks like crap, the combat was slow and borning but in reality I loved EQ1, including the combat and have not found a game like it since playing it for 6+ years.
Common sense and logic state that if you do not like themepark games, then you will not like a newly released themepark game. Its that simple.
How is this logic for you - I open up a youtube video full screen 720p. That is pretty much me playing the game. I don't need a physical copy. Hell, I can even pretend I'm clicking the same buttons he is. I don't need personal experience in the game to more or less get a feel for the game.
Do you think just because someone is not the driver of a car that makes him ignorant to the make, model, and specs of it? Themepark is very limited and if this Asura youtube guy is killing a fire elemental rest assured if I played I would do the same thing with different skills.
Using the same logic you don't need to ever actually take a vacation, just look at pictures from other people's vacations. Ahhhh smell that ocean air! You don't even need to bother with buying groceries, just look at a picture of a Big Mac until you're not hungry anymore (which can actually work but not because you're full, just nauseated)
I never said it was a replacement for playing the game. It is a good way to gauge 80% of what is offered. If I looked at people's vacation pictures I could establish whether it is a good spot or a shithole.
I do need to buy groceries, because it is a necessity. Playing a game is not. The Big Mac is actually a good example, that's what I felt when I watched TERA videos. Nausea.
I pretty much stopped reading when you said $60 is a lot in this day and age. If that is true in your life, IMO you shouldn't bother playing video games. You should be busting your ass to get a better job or figure out how to make cuts in your budget so you can save money. And I'm not saying this to be a jerk, I'm saying it as what I think is good advice.
If, on the other hand, you were just being facetious, that's fine, but then I would ask why you would worry so much about "wasting" $60 on a video game.
It sounds from the rest of your post that GW2 isn't the game for you. Mainly because you don't seem to have much of an attention span or you are extremely jaded with video games. Good luck finding a way to spend your $60.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Playing MMOs is kind of like gambling, because you are essentially gambling your money on something that has a probability to go certain ways.
Well, buying MMOs might be, perhaps. Playing them doesn't seem to involve any strong risks (except long-term risks like heart disease and diabetes).
I look at it as more as a cheap date night. If you can get away with dinner for two in a restaurant in my town for only sixty bones, you're a really cheap date :P
The entertainment budget regularly handles expenditures of this nature, many times a year.
So this week, there's an MMO out. Skip the date, purchase the box. At worst, I've risked a dinner vs N hours of entertainment.
N might be small, but almost certainly longer than dinner. It might be a great deal longer.
If you expect N to be a great deal longer, you will see it differently, undoubtedly. You're created a one-tailed expectation for yourself; the game can perform worse than you expected, but it can't perform better.
Fanboy? Same one-tailed curve...the game can perform worse than you expect (not everything is shiny sparkles), but it can't really perform better than you expect.
Can a pessimist, expecting nothing, escape this trap? Probably not; can anyone really ever expect nothing? Why spend money at all?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I pretty much stopped reading when you said $60 is a lot in this day and age. If that is true in your life, IMO you shouldn't bother playing video games. You should be busting your ass to get a better job or figure out how to make cuts in your budget so you can save money. And I'm not saying this to be a jerk, I'm saying it as what I think is good advice.
If, on the other hand, you were just being facetious, that's fine, but then I would ask why you would worry so much about "wasting" $60 on a video game.
It sounds from the rest of your post that GW2 isn't the game for you. Mainly because you don't seem to have much of an attention span or you are extremely jaded with video games. Good luck finding a way to spend your $60.
Here's a thought... why not do just that? Step out of your normal routine in these games and be the only guy who leveled a character to 80 primarily from gathering/cooking. Just as you said, there's not much else to play right now anyway.
A good idea, I didn't know you could do that. I just might.
Actually, that's supposed to be level 80 JUST from crafting, without gathering or exploring (You get xp for finding new areas you haven't visited)
So there you go. Play it as a pacifist. You don't even have to kill anything in the tutorial (Let other players kill for you).
Walk around without weapons equipped (So you don't accidentally stab a bunny or something), use your utilities for stealth and speed and whatnot.
Explore the world, gather stuff, craft, try and hit 80.
This lets you avoid combat (Which I still think is good, but you don't even like the appearance of it, so I'm not going to bother trying to convince you), but still see the world. It's win/win, or something like that.
"I don't like the way this game looks. I want all of you to defend it against my perception."
There have been thousands of games that didn't interest me, that I didn't like the look of, or the feel of. What I did was ignore them and look for something else. I certainly didn't seek people out on each game and ask them why I should play it. Life's too short.
It's more like
"I don't like the combat of this AAA game. I want all of you to join in and kill the hype train once and for all because it is affecting developers ability to make GREAT legendary games. Not good.
Originally posted by TdogSkal
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by Teh_Axi
Originally posted by D3lit3
Thoughts?
I think you're ridiculously opinionated and ignorant, you dismiss things and belittle them just because they don't fit into your very limited view of what is "right". You past judgement on games you obviously have never played then look down those that enjoy them and act like that is perfectly ok, this entire post is just a testament to how small minded you are.
To answer your question however, no you won't like this game.
Please dismiss everything good I said about GW2, and how I acknowledge it is a good game. I belittle the combat because, in comparison to other games that I have played, it is lackluster. Simple.
How do you know the combat is lackluster? Per your own words you have not played it yet. So again how do you know the combat is lackluster? Oh right you do not, you are just a hater. Plan and simple. Nothing more, nothing less.
You should try some common sense and logic for once in your life. Clearly you do not have either as of now.
When I first read your post, I figured, this is a player that does not like themepark games but yet he wants to know if he will like a themepark game. Now I know why. You lack common sense and logic. If you dislike themepark games, they why would you care about knowing more information about a themepark game?
Also Mount and Blade combat is not better than GW2 combat. I have PLAYED BOTH. Skyrim was also a very simple and easy game, no thinking required to beat that game, just follow what the NPCs tell you to do and you will win the game. (not a bad thing but funny people like you see it as sandbox and not what it really is, a themepark without rails)
Mount and Blade combat is easy after you learn how the combat works, it is button mashing like you said you hate but clearly you do not if you like M&B combat. Sure you do not have a skill bar but you do nothing but click your mouse botton to block or attack over and over again while moving around to avoid being hit. Hmmm sounds like GW2 combat to me and again I have played GW2 and know how the combat works, you do not.
Is GW2 the end all be all MMORPG? Nope
Is GW2 for everyone? Nope, you are clearly not who this game was made for. (You also have no idea what kind of game you want but that is another story)
Guild Wars 2 will be my home for many years after playing the beta's and stress tests. $60 for even a month worth of entertainment is beyond a good deal. Lets forget the fact that $60 is nothing in today's world, shit $60 is what it cost to fill up my car when its on E.
How is this logic for you - I open up a youtube video full screen 720p. That is pretty much me playing the game. I don't need a physical copy. Hell, I can even pretend I'm clicking the same buttons he is. I don't need personal experience in the game to more or less get a feel for the game.
Do you think just because someone is not the driver of a car that makes him ignorant to the make, model, and specs of it? Themepark is very limited and if this Asura youtube guy is killing a fire elemental rest assured if I played I would do the same thing with different skills.
Well what you are using is not logic at all, so I dislike what you call logic. Just watching a video is not like you playing at all. You do not know what the guy is doing, or how he got those skills, or why he is using those skills instead of the other ones. You simply do not know because you have not played the game. You cannot get a feel for the game or the combat by watching a video. That is not even logic, its simple common sense.
Using your logic nobody would ever need to test drive a car because I saw someone else driving the car on my 50" HD TV, so its just like me driving it. You are not even riding in the car someone else is driving by just watching a video. You cannot get a feel for the game, the combat, the pace via a video. You can see the animations, the spell effects and a basic understand of how combat works but you cannot know how the combat works unless you play it.
Lets use your logic again shall we. I watch NHL Hockey highlights on Youtube all the time as I am a huge hockey fan but just because I watched them on Youtube in HD, does not mean I can do what they do or that I am basiclly doing what they are doing because I am watching it on HD.
I stand by my statement that you lack common sense and logic. The only way to know if you are going to like a video game or not is to play the video game. Just like most things in life, unless you try it first hand, you will not know for sure if you like it or not.
For example I loved EQ1, if you go and watch combat video's on EQ1, you will ask yourself how the hell did I like that game, it looks like crap, the combat was slow and borning but in reality I loved EQ1, including the combat and have not found a game like it since playing it for 6+ years.
Common sense and logic state that if you do not like themepark games, then you will not like a newly released themepark game. Its that simple.
Let us use my logic to explain your logic. Let's say you saw someone else test drive a car on TV.
If I watched 50 videos with full commentary on the Nissan 350z, you're saying I would still not have the right to an opinion until I drove it? Maybe, however those 50 videos have determined whether I want to drive it or not...based on the horsepower, accessibility, and looks. Of course I wouldn't know the pace and handling but the commentary usually tells you that.
You say you watch NHL highlights. First of all, that is a horrible comparison as that is a real life sport. It its ok to watch something digital of somebody playing something digital. DO YOU GET IT? I am watching somebody else play something that they are watching themselves. Real life comparisons have no role here. Second, those highlights would show you the scores of both teams, the main highlights of the game, and the players. Thus, you pretty much know how the game went.
If I watched 50 videos with full commentary on the Nissan 350z, you're saying I would still not have the right to an opinion until I drove it? Maybe, however those 50 videos have determined whether I want to drive it or not...based on the horsepower, accessibility, and looks. Of course I wouldn't know the pace and handling but the commentary usually tells you that.
I'm actually not going to argue with you about whether or not GW2 appeals to your taste, but I will say I think you're off on saying you don't think it has tactics.
I guess I'd be willing to argue with you on whether it's a spam clickfest, it's just that I figure even if I managed to fight through THAT obstacle, you still wouldn't like the look of the combat itself from an aesthetics viewpoint, so why should I even bother? Not going to try a semi-difficult argument just so I can bump into an insurmountable one.
Why is there this madness going on with analogies?
It helps to play the game to get a feel for the combat.
It helps to get a general perspective on how the game operates by watching videos.
Both things serve a purpose and both corners have a point. However, I don't take anyone's opinion about combat seriously if they have only watched videos.
Some random that has only watched videos and then states that the combat "pretty much boils down to two people mashing their 1-5 moving weirdly around" doesn't affect my opinion in the least. And it only serves to prove how little you were able to gather from watching the videos.
GW2 is not a Sandbox, though honestly, "sandbox" MMOs are largely pretty awful or too PvP focused, imho. EVE is undoubtedly the best, and it is a massive time sink that has a learning curve akin to a tidal wave -- not exactly how I want to start a new game.
You want an MMO where you can go build a cabin in the woods. That's great and all, but there are zero MMOs like that AFAIK. Certainly none where the world has any sort of depth. I mean, I like sandbox games, but I prefer ones where I don't feel that the world is made out of cardboard cutouts and where I don't have to invest my life into it. Eh, such games don't exist as MMOs (and are pretty rare outside of MMOs).
So if you don't want a Themepark, then I suggest you avoid GW2, because it's a next generation Themepark where the rides are more seemlessly blended into the world. It's more immersive, but that doesn't make it less of a Themepark.
Though, sounds like you are extremely picky about games. Doesn't seem like you enjoy most action titles if Devil May Cry is just mindless button-mashing to you. Doesn't seem like you enjoy a lot of Sandboxes, if too much freedom is overwhelming. Doesn't seem like you enjoy themeparks at all. I really don't see how you'll like GW2 unless you are completely wrong about your own preferences.
And I'm not sure why you are saying Skyrim has a better combat system. Skyrim's combat had basically no depth. Sure, it was better than previous ES titles, but it isn't like any of them had good combat. Bethesda just isn't very good at combat systems generally (it would seem), though Skyrim was a step up. But if you can't enjoy games that don't have FPS combat...then yeah, again, GW2 is not for you.
For what it is worth, movement and tactics matter in games like GW2 with PvP -- oh, but I guess if it isn't an FPS then running behind something or avoid an attack is "moving wierdly around". Heck, they even matter in WoW though not as much. But you give the distinct impression that the interface and targeting system are deal-breakers.
At this point, besides potentially Mount and Blade, I'm somewhat curious as to what games you've actually liked. You've seemed to have eliminated the vast majority of games out there.
I have a closet full of game boxes collecting dust...RIFT, WoW, AoC, SWTOR, to name a few MMO's, not to mention all of the RPG, stategy, simulation, etc...all of which I paid for and tried. Most I've given up on for one reason or another - However, I can assure you it was NEVER because of a video or review created by someone else.
I play video games in most of my spare time. I don't go to movies, go to nightclubs, or spend my money on much else, so $60 every couple of months is worth the enjoyment.
I'm not waiting for reviews to be specific to the OP. I have pre-purchased my copy of GW2 and even had some time from my busy schedule at work to play in the stress test yesterday. It was fun and I can see staying for awhile...until Elder Scrolls MMO release.
Personally, I am kind of tired of the same 'ol MMO game. I long for the next MMO that feels like EQ1 or vanilla WoW did years ago. Not in mechanics, but generates the same, "I think about playing all day" effect. I don't even know what that looks like, but I'm not a game developer - I will know it when I play it.
I pretty much have $20 a month burning a hole in my pocket every month for something awesome to occupy my time and allow me to connect with my gaming friends. If that's GW2 for a while...then so be it.
However, I would never take someone else's word for it.
The only review that matters to me is my own. With that said, I've played the game and found it brilliant and absolutely worth the one time fee of $60.
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Here's a thought... why not do just that? Step out of your normal routine in these games and be the only guy who leveled a character to 80 primarily from gathering/cooking. Just as you said, there's not much else to play right now anyway.
PAST PERFORMANCE NOT INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS
Seriously though, some people will have this reaction. Some people will also be incredibly bummed they missed the "awesome launch period" (note: this is true whether there actually is an "awesome launch" or not).
One important difference between previous releases and GW2 is many of us have already put in well over 100 hours with the game and are basing our impressions/views/feelings on that. I remember SWTOR and TSW and the large number of posts from both Closed and Open Beta Testers crying "Beware, Beware!!!" who were often shouted down by the fanbois.
Where are those many CBT posts for GW2? Simple they don't exist because so many have actually played the game without any NDA. GW2 will certainly not be "the perfect game" for everybody but expect it to do well, very well, because it does deliver on what it promised to for many of us.
OP - I feel for you. It sounds like your tastes aren't "mainstream" and that definitely sucks when looking for a game (especially an MMO since their development costs and chance of failure are so high). There are several people who knowing their tastes I have specifically recommended to them that they stay away from GW2 because it just isn't the style of game they like. Hopefully Archeage, Salem, or The Repopulation are looking good to you?
One reason I truly hope GW2 is successful is because they did take some risks and not make another WoW Clone. I really want that success to carry throughout the industry giving other companies to try new, well-thought-out designs that appeal more to "Sandboxers" as well as other types of gamers.
Well most users have already played the game and rate it very highly, if you still can't commit to purchasing the game then i guess this game is just not for you. Gamers are such drama queens it's a game not a life choice, buy it play it like it or hate it.
Not after watching 1 or 2 videos, mind you.
If a person cannot tell what a game will be like after watching 50+ videos on it, they should be admitted to a hospital. The only thing I have no authority to judge is possibly fluidity and animation, but when I know every location and dungeon for the first 20 lvls by heart why should I play the game? Do you think I'll suddenly form an opinion because I am the one walking or running? The gameplay and graphics will be the exact same.
So... just... wait for the reviews?
Based on what you said (and how you interpret the videos you have watched), it doesn't look like you'll like the game even if the metascore is like 9+. Honestly, you should probably just move to another game that you might like more.
There are games I will wait for review on, and ones that have my money at hello. There are also games I back on Kickstarter such as The Repopulation.
Guild Wars 2 had my money the day pre-purchase started and I was willing to gamble we would have a fun game here. The way ArenaNet took care of their Guild Wars community was stellar, and while that game wasn't for everyone, it was quality for it's day. Still is a great little game to tool around in for cheap as hell, even today. I was thinking last night they could almost put it in a browser and stick it on Facebook or the iPad.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Using the same logic you don't need to ever actually take a vacation, just look at pictures from other people's vacations. Ahhhh smell that ocean air! You don't even need to bother with buying groceries, just look at a picture of a Big Mac until you're not hungry anymore (which can actually work but not because you're full, just nauseated)
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
You can't get a feel for a game by just watching videos of it, it is always different once you experience it from your own point of view. i thought tera looked amazing in the videos i watched but playing it for myself wasn't even half as good. That's like saying i know what sex is like because i've watched porn.
All valid points. You're right, it does sound oddly positive around here. Maybe it IS just a very good game.
A good idea, I didn't know you could do that. I just might.After playing the beta, I'm 100 percent sure that I will enjoy this game, in some ways the game is sandboxed in some ways it is themepark. I don't plan on buying another mmo any time soon, if there is an SWG2.0 coming out in 2016 right away I'm preordering it.
Also, you can't trust on reviews, you can't trust on sources, you have to trust yourself, and trust what kind of game you like and try it out yourself.
Looking at: The Repopulation
Preordering: None
Playing: Random Games
Im sorry, but please specify that you are looking for a modern CONSOLE fps feel. CS, UT99, FEAR, Quake, had none of these things (other than covering and positioning, but these two things were only because the user themselves was creative in finding cover, not hitting X to auto cover and not be able to get hit.). Modern FPS are very dumbed down in my opinion (I pick one up and in an hour I have it mastered and am out getting 2nd/1st on leaderboards), whereas classic (and TRUE) FPS took time, patience, practice, and skill.
And I am not digressing here. I think that if you like current console FPS games, then you should play them. If you want a more intuitive, skillbased experience (that hearkens back to the user being in control), try GW2, you might really enjoy it. As with all games, its really easy to circle-strafe easy enemies; but once skill starts separating itself from casual or "noob" play, with people specializing builds more, etc, you will see a vast difference between the great PVPers and the noob. I'll use UT99 as an example: when it first came out basically everyone played decently, then slowly people started separating themselves, servers settings were built for hardcore and specific play, and skill, intuition and teamwork became the keys. It feels weird comparing GW2 PVP to an FPS, but this is the case, imho.
Well what you are using is not logic at all, so I dislike what you call logic. Just watching a video is not like you playing at all. You do not know what the guy is doing, or how he got those skills, or why he is using those skills instead of the other ones. You simply do not know because you have not played the game. You cannot get a feel for the game or the combat by watching a video. That is not even logic, its simple common sense.
Using your logic nobody would ever need to test drive a car because I saw someone else driving the car on my 50" HD TV, so its just like me driving it. You are not even riding in the car someone else is driving by just watching a video. You cannot get a feel for the game, the combat, the pace via a video. You can see the animations, the spell effects and a basic understand of how combat works but you cannot know how all the combat works unless you play it.
Lets use your logic again shall we. I watch NHL Hockey highlights on Youtube all the time as I am a huge hockey fan but just because I watched them on Youtube in HD, does not mean I can do what they do or that I am basiclly doing what they are doing because I am watching it on HD.
I stand by my statement that you lack common sense and logic. The only way to know if you are going to like a video game or not is to play the video game. Just like most things in life, unless you try it first hand, you will not know for sure if you like it or not.
For example I loved EQ1, if you go and watch combat video's on EQ1, you will ask yourself how the hell did I like that game, it looks like crap, the combat was slow and borning but in reality I loved EQ1, including the combat and have not found a game like it since playing it for 6+ years.
Common sense and logic state that if you do not like themepark games, then you will not like a newly released themepark game. Its that simple.
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I never said it was a replacement for playing the game. It is a good way to gauge 80% of what is offered. If I looked at people's vacation pictures I could establish whether it is a good spot or a shithole.
I do need to buy groceries, because it is a necessity. Playing a game is not. The Big Mac is actually a good example, that's what I felt when I watched TERA videos. Nausea.
I pretty much stopped reading when you said $60 is a lot in this day and age. If that is true in your life, IMO you shouldn't bother playing video games. You should be busting your ass to get a better job or figure out how to make cuts in your budget so you can save money. And I'm not saying this to be a jerk, I'm saying it as what I think is good advice.
If, on the other hand, you were just being facetious, that's fine, but then I would ask why you would worry so much about "wasting" $60 on a video game.
It sounds from the rest of your post that GW2 isn't the game for you. Mainly because you don't seem to have much of an attention span or you are extremely jaded with video games. Good luck finding a way to spend your $60.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!
Well, buying MMOs might be, perhaps. Playing them doesn't seem to involve any strong risks (except long-term risks like heart disease and diabetes).
I look at it as more as a cheap date night. If you can get away with dinner for two in a restaurant in my town for only sixty bones, you're a really cheap date :P
The entertainment budget regularly handles expenditures of this nature, many times a year.
So this week, there's an MMO out. Skip the date, purchase the box. At worst, I've risked a dinner vs N hours of entertainment.
N might be small, but almost certainly longer than dinner. It might be a great deal longer.
If you expect N to be a great deal longer, you will see it differently, undoubtedly. You're created a one-tailed expectation for yourself; the game can perform worse than you expected, but it can't perform better.
Fanboy? Same one-tailed curve...the game can perform worse than you expect (not everything is shiny sparkles), but it can't really perform better than you expect.
Can a pessimist, expecting nothing, escape this trap? Probably not; can anyone really ever expect nothing? Why spend money at all?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
This ^
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Actually, that's supposed to be level 80 JUST from crafting, without gathering or exploring (You get xp for finding new areas you haven't visited)
So there you go. Play it as a pacifist. You don't even have to kill anything in the tutorial (Let other players kill for you).
Walk around without weapons equipped (So you don't accidentally stab a bunny or something), use your utilities for stealth and speed and whatnot.
Explore the world, gather stuff, craft, try and hit 80.
This lets you avoid combat (Which I still think is good, but you don't even like the appearance of it, so I'm not going to bother trying to convince you), but still see the world. It's win/win, or something like that.
Let us use my logic to explain your logic. Let's say you saw someone else test drive a car on TV.
If I watched 50 videos with full commentary on the Nissan 350z, you're saying I would still not have the right to an opinion until I drove it? Maybe, however those 50 videos have determined whether I want to drive it or not...based on the horsepower, accessibility, and looks. Of course I wouldn't know the pace and handling but the commentary usually tells you that.
You say you watch NHL highlights. First of all, that is a horrible comparison as that is a real life sport. It its ok to watch something digital of somebody playing something digital. DO YOU GET IT? I am watching somebody else play something that they are watching themselves. Real life comparisons have no role here. Second, those highlights would show you the scores of both teams, the main highlights of the game, and the players. Thus, you pretty much know how the game went.
I'm actually not going to argue with you about whether or not GW2 appeals to your taste, but I will say I think you're off on saying you don't think it has tactics.
I guess I'd be willing to argue with you on whether it's a spam clickfest, it's just that I figure even if I managed to fight through THAT obstacle, you still wouldn't like the look of the combat itself from an aesthetics viewpoint, so why should I even bother? Not going to try a semi-difficult argument just so I can bump into an insurmountable one.
its a one time fee of 60$... if you cant afford 60$ for a video game.. then you should probably reevaluate your job.
Why is there this madness going on with analogies?
It helps to play the game to get a feel for the combat.
It helps to get a general perspective on how the game operates by watching videos.
Both things serve a purpose and both corners have a point. However, I don't take anyone's opinion about combat seriously if they have only watched videos.
Some random that has only watched videos and then states that the combat "pretty much boils down to two people mashing their 1-5 moving weirdly around" doesn't affect my opinion in the least. And it only serves to prove how little you were able to gather from watching the videos.
GW2 is not a Sandbox, though honestly, "sandbox" MMOs are largely pretty awful or too PvP focused, imho. EVE is undoubtedly the best, and it is a massive time sink that has a learning curve akin to a tidal wave -- not exactly how I want to start a new game.
You want an MMO where you can go build a cabin in the woods. That's great and all, but there are zero MMOs like that AFAIK. Certainly none where the world has any sort of depth. I mean, I like sandbox games, but I prefer ones where I don't feel that the world is made out of cardboard cutouts and where I don't have to invest my life into it. Eh, such games don't exist as MMOs (and are pretty rare outside of MMOs).
So if you don't want a Themepark, then I suggest you avoid GW2, because it's a next generation Themepark where the rides are more seemlessly blended into the world. It's more immersive, but that doesn't make it less of a Themepark.
Though, sounds like you are extremely picky about games. Doesn't seem like you enjoy most action titles if Devil May Cry is just mindless button-mashing to you. Doesn't seem like you enjoy a lot of Sandboxes, if too much freedom is overwhelming. Doesn't seem like you enjoy themeparks at all. I really don't see how you'll like GW2 unless you are completely wrong about your own preferences.
And I'm not sure why you are saying Skyrim has a better combat system. Skyrim's combat had basically no depth. Sure, it was better than previous ES titles, but it isn't like any of them had good combat. Bethesda just isn't very good at combat systems generally (it would seem), though Skyrim was a step up. But if you can't enjoy games that don't have FPS combat...then yeah, again, GW2 is not for you.
For what it is worth, movement and tactics matter in games like GW2 with PvP -- oh, but I guess if it isn't an FPS then running behind something or avoid an attack is "moving wierdly around". Heck, they even matter in WoW though not as much. But you give the distinct impression that the interface and targeting system are deal-breakers.
At this point, besides potentially Mount and Blade, I'm somewhat curious as to what games you've actually liked. You've seemed to have eliminated the vast majority of games out there.
I have a closet full of game boxes collecting dust...RIFT, WoW, AoC, SWTOR, to name a few MMO's, not to mention all of the RPG, stategy, simulation, etc...all of which I paid for and tried. Most I've given up on for one reason or another - However, I can assure you it was NEVER because of a video or review created by someone else.
I play video games in most of my spare time. I don't go to movies, go to nightclubs, or spend my money on much else, so $60 every couple of months is worth the enjoyment.
I'm not waiting for reviews to be specific to the OP. I have pre-purchased my copy of GW2 and even had some time from my busy schedule at work to play in the stress test yesterday. It was fun and I can see staying for awhile...until Elder Scrolls MMO release.
Personally, I am kind of tired of the same 'ol MMO game. I long for the next MMO that feels like EQ1 or vanilla WoW did years ago. Not in mechanics, but generates the same, "I think about playing all day" effect. I don't even know what that looks like, but I'm not a game developer - I will know it when I play it.
I pretty much have $20 a month burning a hole in my pocket every month for something awesome to occupy my time and allow me to connect with my gaming friends. If that's GW2 for a while...then so be it.
However, I would never take someone else's word for it.
If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand.
Have you really looked at video's of a game, and never been surprised that its different when you actually play? Never?
Combat is GW2 is extremely fun, but some aspects may not come through in videoes.