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Great thread about processor performance. Intels i5 and AMD's equivalant

KumateKumate Member Posts: 69
in Guild Wars 2

Here is a great thread on todays processors and the performance to cost ratio.  I currently own a i5 760 that I overclocked to 4.4mhz.  Looking at this thread and the actual performance increases I would get from spending more for a top of the line i5 or i7 it would be a waste of money.  I think I will hold off for intels or AMD's next batch of processors before I change course.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/23246

 

It is worth your time if you don't know about CPU's, they pretty much give you charts that show what you gain. 

P.S.  If you do not have a processor that is on that list and are looking to upgrade, do not buy the first or second general of i5's because the third generation are basically the same price but no longer 2-3 years old.  I just wanted to ensure that people understand they put the older i5's on there just to compare, and even thou they perform great still to this day, you will be better served just getting the third gen i5 because besides the processor the motherboards and ram capabilities also were improved the last few years and you wont have some of those options on the older motherboards that are required to support the i5 760 or i5 2500k.

 

I mainly posted this because GW2 is CPU intensive so these will give you the best performance for the buck.  I do think that graphic drivers and future patches will make the FPS a non issue in the long run thou.

 

Comments

  • LostarLostar Member UncommonPosts: 891

    I have an i5 760..

    I never overclock, not even sure I'd know how to go about it other than it's a BIOS thing...I think?  I am too scared I'd fry my CPU.

    But that's besides the point.  I thought Intel i5's and i7's had some automatic overclocking feature so manual overclocking is unnecessary?

  • ShiroRyuujinShiroRyuujin Member Posts: 13
    Originally posted by Lucrecia

    I have an i5 760..

    I never overclock, not even sure I'd know how to go about it other than it's a BIOS thing...I think?  I am too scared I'd fry my CPU.

    But that's besides the point.  I thought Intel i5's and i7's had some automatic overclocking feature so manual overclocking is unnecessary?

    They do indeed have the turbo, but you can overclock it to be even faster then that if you like, I just got an i5 3570k to replace my old Q9400 (was OC'd to 3.2GHz) and I have my i5 OC'd to 4.2 GHz (it's normall 3.4 with 3.8 boost) and it's so much faster....

  • LostarLostar Member UncommonPosts: 891

    ooo well alright then...

     

    Any guides for complete oc newbies like myself out there?

  • ShiroRyuujinShiroRyuujin Member Posts: 13

    It really depends on your processor and motherboard, on my old Q9400 wasn't unlock so I had to use the bio's preset OC %'s, but on my new motherboard (Asrock Z77 extreme 4), it let me tweak every little thing about my processor, it has an amazing bios really.

     

    Edit- It also depends on your cooler as well.

  • LostarLostar Member UncommonPosts: 891

    I have an EVGA P55 motherboard

     

    SO I guess since I know my i5 760 can be OCed I should look at my motherboard's instructions?

  • ShiroRyuujinShiroRyuujin Member Posts: 13

    http://www.overclockers.com/3-step-guide-overclock-core-i3-i5-i7/

     

    http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=340264

     

    These might help you, the second one is specifically for the CPU just below yours.

  • TribovineTribovine Member UncommonPosts: 10
    Originally posted by Kumate

    I currently own a i5 760 that I overclocked to 4.4mhz.   

     

    I'm sure you meant 4.4GHz.  

    Personally I'm running the Intel Core i7-3930K processor (Sandy Bridge 6Core) and enjoy the processing power for multitasking.  I also notice a positive difference between my last 2-core processor and this CPU when playing multi-threaded games and running close to the same core frequencies (so only core/thread count was changed).

    Overall I'm happy with the i7 performance and glad I upgraged.

     

  • hotixhotix Member UncommonPosts: 130
    I have an I7 as well, and it runs the game pretty smoothe. Was getting like 90 fps in WvWvW. I need an exuse to upgrade video card though only pushing a 470.
  • ShiroRyuujinShiroRyuujin Member Posts: 13
    I almost got an i7 the 3770k, but seeing as how I mostly just game and i7 have 0 performance over i5's in games I couldn't justify the extra $120 or so.  The i7's and 6-8 core cpu's are nice for heavily threaded applications though.
  • KenFisherKenFisher Member UncommonPosts: 5,035
    Great info OP... very helpful.  I'm long past due for a replacement.
    Ken Fisher - Semi retired old fart Network Administrator, now working in Network Security.  I don't Forum PVP.  If you feel I've attacked you, it was probably by accident.  When I don't understand, I ask.  Such is not intended as criticism.
  • xposeidonxposeidon Member Posts: 384
    What I'm wondering is how the heck to overclock my processor, I'm afraid I might fry it when I tweak it and restart my computer.

    Remember... all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.

  • TribovineTribovine Member UncommonPosts: 10
    Originally posted by xposeidon
    What I'm wondering is how the heck to overclock my processor, I'm afraid I might fry it when I tweak it and restart my computer.

     

    You can start by identifying the CPU and motherboard you have in your system and google for OC info.  Many new motherboards have built-in BIOS capabilities that enable overclocking in some form or fashion.  Sometimes it is buried in "Advanced" features or options.  

     

  • xposeidonxposeidon Member Posts: 384
    Originally posted by Tribovine
    Originally posted by xposeidon
    What I'm wondering is how the heck to overclock my processor, I'm afraid I might fry it when I tweak it and restart my computer.

     

    You can start by identifying the CPU and motherboard you have in your system and google for OC info.  Many new motherboards have built-in BIOS capabilities that enable overclocking in some form or fashion.  Sometimes it is buried in "Advanced" features or options.  

     

     

    thas the motherboard i have and I have a i5 2500k cpu with an evo cooler attached to it, I did research it a while ago but kept coming with this long guides and things u must do before and after, and they try to scare you so I was like... I'll do this another time don't need it yet, but now I keep reading of great FPS increase in GW2 and ah well you know.

    So if anyone has a simple guide that could help or has this same setup some tips would be good.

    Remember... all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.

  • ShiroRyuujinShiroRyuujin Member Posts: 13
    You'd have to find a guide to overclock that one, but you should feel relieved as k processors are unlocked and meant to be overclocked so you shouldn't worry too much about frying it, also if by evo you meant the 212 evo then you could easily OC that to 4.5ish range and the temp should hardly go up.
  • xposeidonxposeidon Member Posts: 384
    Originally posted by ShiroRyuujin
    You'd have to find a guide to overclock that one, but you should feel relieved as k processors are unlocked and meant to be overclocked so you shouldn't worry too much about frying it, also if by evo you meant the 212 evo then you could easily OC that to 4.5ish range and the temp should hardly go up.

     Oh man guess I'll be busy at work today then. Yea i meant the 212 evo, I did buy this with OC in mind for the future, guess it's time.

    Remember... all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.

  • ShiroRyuujinShiroRyuujin Member Posts: 13
    Woo! Should be fun, I have the 3570k which is just the ivybridge version of the 2500k and I OC'd mine from 3.4GHz to 4.2GHz on the 212 evo and my idle temp went from about 32-33 to about 35 (haven't paid attention to/tested enough to see load temp), but sandybridges (your 2500k) run cooler then ivybridges so you should be fine to a 4.2-4.4ish range with little effort.
  • TribovineTribovine Member UncommonPosts: 10
    Originally posted by xposeidon
    Originally posted by Tribovine
    Originally posted by xposeidon
    What I'm wondering is how the heck to overclock my processor, I'm afraid I might fry it when I tweak it and restart my computer.

     

    You can start by identifying the CPU and motherboard you have in your system and google for OC info.  Many new motherboards have built-in BIOS capabilities that enable overclocking in some form or fashion.  Sometimes it is buried in "Advanced" features or options.  

     

     

    thas the motherboard i have and I have a i5 2500k cpu with an evo cooler attached to it, I did research it a while ago but kept coming with this long guides and things u must do before and after, and they try to scare you so I was like... I'll do this another time don't need it yet, but now I keep reading of great FPS increase in GW2 and ah well you know.

    So if anyone has a simple guide that could help or has this same setup some tips would be good.

     

    I only had a few minutes to look but I would start with this guide.. It looks decent.

    http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1578110

    Keep in mind that overclocking the clocks will not "kill" your CPU or computer.  If your thermal solution is not sufficient in cooling the CPU (or system) then it will throttle or thermal trip (shut down) before damage can be done in Intel CPUs.  

    Over voltaging your hardware can kill them.  If you stay within 5% of the nominal voltages you should be safe.  The 1.4V recommended in the thread attached appears decent in this case but if you are concerned then I would stay within the 5% limits for voltages.  Again, no guarantees on this one but there is alot of folk (including me) that do it successfully.

    As the person who posted above said, the Intel CPU you have is very capable of overclocking and ASUS does a great job in their motherboards and BIOS to help overclocking.

    Hope that helps.

     

  • KumateKumate Member Posts: 69
    Originally posted by Lucrecia

    ooo well alright then...

     

    Any guides for complete oc newbies like myself out there?

    The i5 760 is very easy to overclock and it does make a huge difference.  The i5 760 with turbo boost normally only goes to around 3.4-3.6 safely.  Because it also overclocks your ram as well.  Ram is a big limitation on how far turbo boost can go.  But if you do it manually you can just overclock the CPU and not the ram.  I have my mine to 4.4 but you need an after market cooler to ensure your not going to fry it.  The stock cooler wont cut it.  Also some silver thermal paste is a must also to help with the cooling.

    Your board is fine to O/C.  If you have the rest I used this guide when I did mine.  I also knew a bit on voltage and so on.  Having a decent power supply is key too, one that is rated bronze or better because the more stable the current going thru the more stable the processor.

     

    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265587-29-overclock

    With all that said...overclocking is really safe.  If you mess up you can just reset your motherboard (hit the button or take out the little battery for a few seconds) and it will bring everything back to default.  You just need to make small steps up..dont go right for the glory right away.  If you do that you should be fine.  I would stick to around 4.1-4.2 when you get it and either run primse95 benhcmark to ensure its stable..or just play at that speed for awhile.  IF no issues then can try for 4.4 or so.

  • Unknown

    I have an i7 920 OC'ed to 4 Ghz I haven't bothered to tweak but probably could get it to 4.2Ghz.  Its factory clock is 2.66Ghz and it was quite easy to clock it faster than most current ivybridges go.

    I might be missing a few bells and whistles but its going pretty good for a 3 year old rig.

  • Unknown
    Originally posted by Kumate
    Originally posted by Lucrecia

    ooo well alright then...

     

    Any guides for complete oc newbies like myself out there?

    The i5 760 is very easy to overclock and it does make a huge difference.  The i5 760 with turbo boost normally only goes to around 3.4-3.6 safely.  Because it also overclocks your ram as well.  Ram is a big limitation on how far turbo boost can go.  But if you do it manually you can just overclock the CPU and not the ram.  I have my mine to 4.4 but you need an after market cooler to ensure your not going to fry it.  The stock cooler wont cut it.  Also some silver thermal paste is a must also to help with the cooling.

    Your board is fine to O/C.  If you have the rest I used this guide when I did mine.  I also knew a bit on voltage and so on.  Having a decent power supply is key too, one that is rated bronze or better because the more stable the current going thru the more stable the processor.

     

    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265587-29-overclock

    With all that said...overclocking is really safe.  If you mess up you can just reset your motherboard (hit the button or take out the little battery for a few seconds) and it will bring everything back to default.  You just need to make small steps up..dont go right for the glory right away.  If you do that you should be fine.  I would stick to around 4.1-4.2 when you get it and either run primse95 benhcmark to ensure its stable..or just play at that speed for awhile.  IF no issues then can try for 4.4 or so.

    I OC'd my rig mainly to get my memory going faster.  Getting it from 1066 to 1866 is a large improvement, much more than the mucking around with the CPU.

    The only thing is that since my mother board is old I am lacking SATA 3 for faster solid state drive.  But in most real world applications you just aren't enough loading stuff in the right way to see that much if a difference between 3gb/s and 6 gb/s.

    When a new architecture comes out with significant gains then I will reuse my fast RAM, fast gcard and fast SSD but until then trying to go for much more CPU/Moboard won't do much.

     

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