Is it a must for GW2 players to download xfire?

risenbones · September 2012

Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by MrNo
It seems the flavor of the moment is xfire this xfire that. To be honest I am sick of tired of people rubbing xfifre in our faces. If this is the case then these players have turned me away from even thinkng about buying GW2 for it seems if this is the kind of comunity that GW2 offers then I dont want to be apart of it.

They need some sort of fact (very misinformed fact at that) to try and prove their game is the greatest game ever. Here some math for these guys. I dont play WoW but according to xfire on Aug 31st WoW had 7361 players playing wow. If WoW had 2 Million people actualy playing that means less then .5% of people actualy use xfire.

What other source of information would we ever use to base facts on that uses less then .5%?

How about every poll ever taken that uses a percentage of less than .5% of the total of people they could ask along with the generally accepted knowledge of those in the know that you never release a poll without knowing what result you want and design the leading questions around it to get the reponce you desire. TV ratings another example that takes a sample of less than 0.5% and uses the information to determine if the show continues and how much money to charge advertisers.

X-fire isn't really that useful to get concrete numbers as there are to many variables involved however it is useful to see trends and right now GW2 is trending pretty high as you would exepct as it's new. I am sure in a month or 2 it will trend down as the newness wears off till it platues and then we can get a general idea on where it sits in the scheme of things of people who play PC games that also use X-fire to track their gameing.

Laughing-man · September 2012

Originally posted by MrNo
I dont use Xfire myself but it seems that some people use Xfire to prove how GW2 is the very best game in the world. Basicly to my understanding it is a trakcing utility that tracks the number of hours people play for the week and which games they play. Personaly I see Xfire as being useless and a joke.

People try to use xfire to suggest gaming trends.

They've done it for nearly every major game since Xfire's release.

This is nothing new.

No, you don't have to use xfire at all, its silly to even suggest that you would, many people are confused because of how highly illogical your question is.

If you did some searching on the forums of this site you'd see that every single game has a thead where people discuss subscription numbers and someone brings up xfire to try to justify why either the game is doing well or poorly.

Karteli · September 2012

Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by MrNo
I dont use Xfire myself but it seems that some people use Xfire to prove how GW2 is the very best game in the world. Basicly to my understanding it is a trakcing utility that tracks the number of hours people play for the week and which games they play. Personaly I see Xfire as being useless and a joke.

People try to use xfire to suggest gaming trends.

They've done it for nearly every major game since Xfire's release.

This is nothing new.

No, you don't have to use xfire at all, its silly to even suggest that you would, many people are confused because of how highly illogical your question is.

If you did some searching on the forums of this site you'd see that every single game has a thead where people discuss subscription numbers and someone brings up xfire to try to justify why either the game is doing well or poorly.

It is a fairly useful tool for guesstimating population and trending. For instance there was a discussion in the SWTOR sub-forum on this about how EA's super servers were BS, and how they manipulate light / standard / heavy / very heavy / full information to shed a favorable light on their game (ie lower caps to reach a higher threshhold, without the population noticably increasing on XFire).

It seems generally OK for comparisons to other games, although there is surely a margin of error .. and it will never accurately yield true subscriber / player numbers .... just a ballpark. But the margin of error can not logically be by a factor of 4 or 5 .. like the disparity between GW2 and WoW. The XFire community though is fragmented and spread out. It's more likely some WoW players that use XFire switched to GW2 (also noted is that some players not using XFire also switch - the distribution is random) .. although that can't be proven, along with any other speculation past, present, or future, coming out of this thread :P

Laughing-man · September 2012

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by MrNo
I dont use Xfire myself but it seems that some people use Xfire to prove how GW2 is the very best game in the world. Basicly to my understanding it is a trakcing utility that tracks the number of hours people play for the week and which games they play. Personaly I see Xfire as being useless and a joke.

People try to use xfire to suggest gaming trends.

They've done it for nearly every major game since Xfire's release.

This is nothing new.

No, you don't have to use xfire at all, its silly to even suggest that you would, many people are confused because of how highly illogical your question is.

If you did some searching on the forums of this site you'd see that every single game has a thead where people discuss subscription numbers and someone brings up xfire to try to justify why either the game is doing well or poorly.

It is a fairly useful tool for guesstimating population and trending. For instance there was a discussion in the SWTOR sub-forum on this about how EA's super servers were BS, and how they manipulate light / standard / heavy / very heavy / full information to shed a favorable light on their game (ie lower caps to reach a higher threshhold, without the population noticably increasing on XFire).

It seems generally OK for comparisons to other games, although there is surely a margin of error .. and it will never accurately yield true subscriber / player numbers .... just a ballpark. But the margin of error can not logically be by a factor of 4 or 5 .. like the disparity between GW2 and WoW. It's more likely WoW players that use XFire switched to GW2 .. although that can't be proven, along with any other speculation past, present, or future, coming out of this thread :P

As I've stated before in other threads that bring this up. It shows trends among Xfire users. Which is limited in its sampling. The margin for error is unknown how great or small it is, its unreliable and unconfirmable.

Karteli · September 2012

Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by MrNo
I dont use Xfire myself but it seems that some people use Xfire to prove how GW2 is the very best game in the world. Basicly to my understanding it is a trakcing utility that tracks the number of hours people play for the week and which games they play. Personaly I see Xfire as being useless and a joke.

People try to use xfire to suggest gaming trends.

They've done it for nearly every major game since Xfire's release.

This is nothing new.

No, you don't have to use xfire at all, its silly to even suggest that you would, many people are confused because of how highly illogical your question is.

If you did some searching on the forums of this site you'd see that every single game has a thead where people discuss subscription numbers and someone brings up xfire to try to justify why either the game is doing well or poorly.

It is a fairly useful tool for guesstimating population and trending. For instance there was a discussion in the SWTOR sub-forum on this about how EA's super servers were BS, and how they manipulate light / standard / heavy / very heavy / full information to shed a favorable light on their game (ie lower caps to reach a higher threshhold, without the population noticably increasing on XFire).

It seems generally OK for comparisons to other games, although there is surely a margin of error .. and it will never accurately yield true subscriber / player numbers .... just a ballpark. But the margin of error can not logically be by a factor of 4 or 5 .. like the disparity between GW2 and WoW. It's more likely WoW players that use XFire switched to GW2 .. although that can't be proven, along with any other speculation past, present, or future, coming out of this thread :P

As I've stated before in other threads that bring this up. It shows trends among Xfire users. Which is limited in its sampling. The margin for error is unknown how great or small it is, its unreliable and unconfirmable.

The sample seems randomly distrubuted, and not tied to any particular locale, gender, race, game preference or any other known factor. It's not the case where only people in Chicago get polled for some preference, then everyone outside Chicago cries bias. XFire is distrubuted all over, and there is enough sample data points to give relavent findings. The more sample data, the less the error (although it can really never be 100% accurate, granted). But a large sample would put the findings in the 90%+ percentile .. again depending on sample size.)

Heres an interesting article for you about sample size versus margin of error:

Margin of error

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error

That is, unless you can prove that the sample data is corrupted somehow .. In which case I'd like to hear your ideas on why it is. Margin of error is commonly used for predictions and analysis, in anything from sales, to political outcomes. Hardware and software testing also uses principles based on calculating error with a much smaller sample size than available (but still significant).

As an example, if there are 1 trillion different possible configurations that an electronic circuit board could assume, it's not realistic to test them all .. perhaps only testing a million random variations will do instead, yielding a high confidence in the quality of the board, if all tests pass....

Laughing-man · September 2012

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by MrNo
I dont use Xfire myself but it seems that some people use Xfire to prove how GW2 is the very best game in the world. Basicly to my understanding it is a trakcing utility that tracks the number of hours people play for the week and which games they play. Personaly I see Xfire as being useless and a joke.

People try to use xfire to suggest gaming trends.

They've done it for nearly every major game since Xfire's release.

This is nothing new.

No, you don't have to use xfire at all, its silly to even suggest that you would, many people are confused because of how highly illogical your question is.

If you did some searching on the forums of this site you'd see that every single game has a thead where people discuss subscription numbers and someone brings up xfire to try to justify why either the game is doing well or poorly.

It is a fairly useful tool for guesstimating population and trending. For instance there was a discussion in the SWTOR sub-forum on this about how EA's super servers were BS, and how they manipulate light / standard / heavy / very heavy / full information to shed a favorable light on their game (ie lower caps to reach a higher threshhold, without the population noticably increasing on XFire).

It seems generally OK for comparisons to other games, although there is surely a margin of error .. and it will never accurately yield true subscriber / player numbers .... just a ballpark. But the margin of error can not logically be by a factor of 4 or 5 .. like the disparity between GW2 and WoW. It's more likely WoW players that use XFire switched to GW2 .. although that can't be proven, along with any other speculation past, present, or future, coming out of this thread :P

As I've stated before in other threads that bring this up. It shows trends among Xfire users. Which is limited in its sampling. The margin for error is unknown how great or small it is, its unreliable and unconfirmable.

The sample seems randomly distrubuted, and not tied to any particular locale, gender, race, game preference or any other known factor. It's not the case where only people in Chicago get polled for some preference, then everyone outside Chicago cries bias. XFire is distrubuted all over, and there is enough sample data points to give relavent findings. The more sample data, the less the error (although it can really never be 100% accurate, granted). But a large sample would put the findings in the 90%+ percentile .. again depending on sample size.)

Heres an interesting article for you about sample size versus margin of error:

Margin of error

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error

That is, unless you can prove that the sample data is corrupted somehow .. In which case I'd like to hear your ideas on why it is. Margin of error is commonly used for predictions and analysis, in anything from sales, to political outcomes.

This debate has occured more times than I can count, I'm not here to make it.

There is a large number of unknowns, lets leave it at that so we don't vastly derail this thread.

An argument for another time, perhaps the past.

MrNo · September 2012

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by MrNo
I dont use Xfire myself but it seems that some people use Xfire to prove how GW2 is the very best game in the world. Basicly to my understanding it is a trakcing utility that tracks the number of hours people play for the week and which games they play. Personaly I see Xfire as being useless and a joke.

People try to use xfire to suggest gaming trends.

They've done it for nearly every major game since Xfire's release.

This is nothing new.

No, you don't have to use xfire at all, its silly to even suggest that you would, many people are confused because of how highly illogical your question is.

If you did some searching on the forums of this site you'd see that every single game has a thead where people discuss subscription numbers and someone brings up xfire to try to justify why either the game is doing well or poorly.

It is a fairly useful tool for guesstimating population and trending. For instance there was a discussion in the SWTOR sub-forum on this about how EA's super servers were BS, and how they manipulate light / standard / heavy / very heavy / full information to shed a favorable light on their game (ie lower caps to reach a higher threshhold, without the population noticably increasing on XFire).

It seems generally OK for comparisons to other games, although there is surely a margin of error .. and it will never accurately yield true subscriber / player numbers .... just a ballpark. But the margin of error can not logically be by a factor of 4 or 5 .. like the disparity between GW2 and WoW. It's more likely WoW players that use XFire switched to GW2 .. although that can't be proven, along with any other speculation past, present, or future, coming out of this thread :P

As I've stated before in other threads that bring this up. It shows trends among Xfire users. Which is limited in its sampling. The margin for error is unknown how great or small it is, its unreliable and unconfirmable.

The sample seems randomly distrubuted, and not tied to any particular locale, gender, race, game preference or any other known factor. It's not the case where only people in Chicago get polled for some preference, then everyone outside Chicago cries bias. XFire is distrubuted all over, and there is enough sample data points to give relavent findings. The more sample data, the less the error (although it can really never be 100% accurate, granted). But a large sample would put the findings in the 90%+ percentile .. again depending on sample size.)

Heres an interesting article for you about sample size versus margin of error:

Margin of error

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error

That is, unless you can prove that the sample data is corrupted somehow .. In which case I'd like to hear your ideas on why it is. Margin of error is commonly used for predictions and analysis, in anything from sales, to political outcomes.

TY for the link. So it seems that only a small percent of GW2 players rely on Xfire and that people should not take these stats seriously. This makes me feel better that the these minute people that do use Xfire do not repersent the GW2 community as a whole.

Karteli · September 2012

Originally posted by Laughing-man

This debate has occured more times than I can count, I'm not here to make it.

There is a large number of unknowns, lets leave it at that so we don't vastly derail this thread.

An argument for another time, perhaps the past.

Lol .. well this thread didn't have much substance to it anyways, so, make it the future, and I'll look forward to it ..

myxaplix · September 2012

There is Xfire associated with GW2?

Hybridvampyr · September 2012

I Have this Xfire and it wont recognize GW2 for some reason. No idea why. Anyone have any clue?

Jackdog · September 2012

Originally posted by Gaborik

I dont play WoW but according to xfire on Aug 31st WoW had 7361 players playing wow. If WoW had 2 Million people actualy playing that means less then .5% of people actualy use xfire.

What other source of information would we ever use to base facts on that uses less then .5%?

another fact is the first couple of weeks of August before GW2 released WoW had twice as many players according to XFire.

BTW political parties, manufacturers etc use a sample of 1000 people or even less in focus groups for thier information on how well their product or candidate is doing.

Getr over it , the king has been knocked off his throne after 8 years

itsbigmike · September 2012

haven't used xfire since CS 1.6, don't know why anyone still uses that, 10 years outdated

Syno23 · September 2012

Originally posted by MrNo
It seems the flavor of the moment is xfire this xfire that. To be honest I am sick of tired of people rubbing xfire in our faces. If this is the case then these players have turned me away from even thinkng about buying GW2 for it seems if this is the kind of comunity that GW2 offers then I dont want to be apart of it.

I've logged over 111 hours into Xfire. Xfire owns WoW in GW2 right now. Hale yes!

Jackdog · September 2012

Originally posted by itsbigmike
haven't used xfire since CS 1.6, don't know why anyone still uses that, 10 years outdated

so who is arguing that XFire is a good program? It stil does nopt cahnge the fact that as of the first week of August there were twice as many WoW players using it than there are now

Phry · September 2012

Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by Gaborik

I dont play WoW but according to xfire on Aug 31st WoW had 7361 players playing wow. If WoW had 2 Million people actualy playing that means less then .5% of people actualy use xfire.

What other source of information would we ever use to base facts on that uses less then .5%?

another fact is the first couple of weeks of August before GW2 released WoW had twice as many players according to XFire.

BTW political parties, manufacturers etc use a sample of 1000 people or even less in focus groups for thier information on how well their product or candidate is doing.

Getr over it , the king has been knocked off his throne after 8 years

I have a beach front property in southern kansas, on a clear day you can see the eiffel tower, yours for a very reasonable price!

Requiem1066 · September 2012

Never used it and never will ... xfire who ?

Jackdog · September 2012

Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by Gaborik

I dont play WoW but according to xfire on Aug 31st WoW had 7361 players playing wow. If WoW had 2 Million people actualy playing that means less then .5% of people actualy use xfire.

What other source of information would we ever use to base facts on that uses less then .5%?

another fact is the first couple of weeks of August before GW2 released WoW had twice as many players according to XFire.

BTW political parties, manufacturers etc use a sample of 1000 people or even less in focus groups for thier information on how well their product or candidate is doing.

Getr over it , the king has been knocked off his throne after 8 years

I have a beach front property in southern kansas, on a clear day you can see the eiffel tower, yours for a very reasonable price!

can you see the ninja pandas frome there LOL

Kakkzooka · September 2012

No, XFire is not required to play GW2, and, yes, XFire is a strong indicator of the relative health of any particular game that it tracks.

JimmyYO · September 2012

Xfire is not even remotely as popular as people pretend. I've never met a person in real life that uses Xfire and I have quite a few gamer friends.

MrNo · September 2012

Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by Gaborik

I dont play WoW but according to xfire on Aug 31st WoW had 7361 players playing wow. If WoW had 2 Million people actualy playing that means less then .5% of people actualy use xfire.

What other source of information would we ever use to base facts on that uses less then .5%?

another fact is the first couple of weeks of August before GW2 released WoW had twice as many players according to XFire.

BTW political parties, manufacturers etc use a sample of 1000 people or even less in focus groups for thier information on how well their product or candidate is doing.

Getr over it , the king has been knocked off his throne after 8 years

Sorry you seem to be in the minority with a handful of other Xfire users that feel WoW has been knocked off the number one spot. Xfire will never represent true stats and for this matter not a official game program that is reconized by the gaming comunity at large. So if you can come up with more then Xfire saying that GW2 is now number one I might give your statement some more thought.

superniceguy · September 2012

Originally posted by MrNo
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by Gaborik

I dont play WoW but according to xfire on Aug 31st WoW had 7361 players playing wow. If WoW had 2 Million people actualy playing that means less then .5% of people actualy use xfire.

What other source of information would we ever use to base facts on that uses less then .5%?

another fact is the first couple of weeks of August before GW2 released WoW had twice as many players according to XFire.

BTW political parties, manufacturers etc use a sample of 1000 people or even less in focus groups for thier information on how well their product or candidate is doing.

Getr over it , the king has been knocked off his throne after 8 years

Sorry you seem to be in the minority with a handful of other Xfire users that feel WoW has been knocked off the number one spot. Xfire will never represent true stats and for this matter not a official game program that is reconized by the gaming comunity at large. So if you can come up with more then Xfire saying that GW2 is now number one I might give your statement some more thought.

If you look at the statistics graph of WOW on Xfire, it took a sudden nosedive on the date GW2 got released, showing that loads of players switched from WOW to play GW2.

But if it is not GW2, then what else would have made loads of players stop playing WOW on that date?

1 person who switches from WOW to GW2, can make the difference between the two double.

Currently GW2 is knocked off the #1 spot, but will it stay that way long term? Only time will tell, stay tuned to Xfire for the answers!

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