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Xfire general thread.

krakra70krakra70 Member Posts: 122
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Anything goes. Have at it.

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  • RefMinorRefMinor Member UncommonPosts: 3,452

    The XFire numbers which were collected daily for SWTOR correlated pretty well with the reports from EA to their shareholders over a period of 6 months.

    They also showed larger drops around the 2 and 4 month periods when single and 3 month subs expired. They even showed the peaks when the trial weekends were originally on offer, peaks which declined over time as people stopped using the free trial in such large numbers.

    You cannot use XFire to predict actual population numbers or to compare populations between games but anyone denying their statistical relevance in showing the population trend for a single game is, quite frankly, a fool.

  • RefMinorRefMinor Member UncommonPosts: 3,452

    I guess this lack of response shows it only matters if the figures are about the nay-nayers game of choice.

    My game is in decline, XFire sucks.

  • RefMinorRefMinor Member UncommonPosts: 3,452
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki

    X-fire has lost its majority backing when it was exposed that WoW is tanking pretty fast on xfire, of course also compared to other MMORPGs. Now that WoW dropped pretty close to those "failed WoW clones" as the kids call other MMORPGs games the WoW fanbois called "dead" or "close to dead" just few months  ago its rather selfdefeating for them to continue spamming xifrestats and proclamations of doom into those other games forums.

    So no matter how long naive and clueless fools want to insist on the "accuracy" of xfire survey results and statistics "in specific situations" like trendtracking in specific arbitrary timeframes (common excuse to avoid logical conflicts with contradicting real data) and endless attempts to "educate" the 1 out of 20 bystander who dont already know how surveys work and explain how relevant all that survey stuff is, despite the fact x-fire is not even a suvey programm, nor willing or intending to taking surveys in first place, in the end effectively xfire is not really a matter anymore just for it will now be shunned by all sides with few exceptions.

     

    You see... stuff like "hurr look at xfire!!!! GW2 is dying!!! DURRR YO WOW KILLA FAILED!!" when 3 days later their favorite game is down to the same spot just looks kinda dumb.

    And yet games companies pay XFire for the statistical data it gathers.

  • RefMinorRefMinor Member UncommonPosts: 3,452
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki

    X-fire has lost its majority backing when it was exposed that WoW is tanking pretty fast on xfire, of course also compared to other MMORPGs. Now that WoW dropped pretty close to those "failed WoW clones" as the kids call other MMORPGs games the WoW fanbois called "dead" or "close to dead" just few months  ago its rather selfdefeating for them to continue spamming xifrestats and proclamations of doom into those other games forums.

    So no matter how long naive and clueless fools want to insist on the "accuracy" of xfire survey results and statistics "in specific situations" like trendtracking in specific arbitrary timeframes (common excuse to avoid logical conflicts with contradicting real data) and endless attempts to "educate" the 1 out of 20 bystander who dont already know how surveys work and explain how relevant all that survey stuff is, despite the fact x-fire is not even a suvey programm, nor willing or intending to taking surveys in first place, in the end effectively xfire is not really a matter anymore just for it will now be shunned by all sides with few exceptions.

     

    You see... stuff like "hurr look at xfire!!!! GW2 is dying!!! DURRR YO WOW KILLA FAILED!!" when 3 days later their favorite game is down to the same spot just looks kinda dumb.

    And yet games companies pay XFire for the statistical data it gathers.

    You make it sound like that contradicts the reality there are countless fools, who have no clue or are willfully ignorant enough about what they are proclaiming or argueing when its comes to their xfire speculation.

    Not at all, there are fools on both sides, those who deny all relevance and those who argue it is perfect.

  • DarkmothDarkmoth Member Posts: 174
    Originally posted by RefMinor

    You cannot use XFire to predict actual population numbers or to compare populations between games but anyone denying their statistical relevance in showing the population trend for a single game is, quite frankly, a fool.

    There at least two good reasons to discount Xfire trend data (unless backed up by corroborating sources):

    1. Xfire is a self-selecting population - Xfire users aren't necessarily "average" users. The behavior of a specific sub-population in a game isn't indicative of the behavior of the wider population. So, for example, if PvPers flee a game but are replaced by casuals, that is very different from everyone fleeing the game.

    Didn't Xfire start out as a way to connect FPS players? If so, people who run it are significantly different than the run-of-the-mill MMO player.

    2. Xfire is 3rd party software, and so from patch to patch the number of people using it for a game depends on the quality of the interface between Xfire and that game. For example, WoW patch 5.04 broke Xfire for 32-bit systems:

    http://forums.xfire.com/showthread.php/265346-WoW-detection-after-patch-5-04

    You will notice that this breakage essentially coincided with GW2's launch. How good is a tool if it's unreliable when you most want to use it's data? Not very, I'd say.

  • QuirhidQuirhid Member UncommonPosts: 6,230
    Here's the crux: It measures XFire users.

    I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910

    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by Sukiyaki X-fire has lost its majority backing when it was exposed that WoW is tanking pretty fast on xfire, of course also compared to other MMORPGs. Now that WoW dropped pretty close to those "failed WoW clones" as the kids call other MMORPGs games the WoW fanbois called "dead" or "close to dead" just few months  ago its rather selfdefeating for them to continue spamming xifrestats and proclamations of doom into those other games forums. So no matter how long naive and clueless fools want to insist on the "accuracy" of xfire survey results and statistics "in specific situations" like trendtracking in specific arbitrary timeframes (common excuse to avoid logical conflicts with contradicting real data) and endless attempts to "educate" the 1 out of 20 bystander who dont already know how surveys work and explain how relevant all that survey stuff is, despite the fact x-fire is not even a suvey programm, nor willing or intending to taking surveys in first place, in the end effectively xfire is not really a matter anymore just for it will now be shunned by all sides with few exceptions.   You see... stuff like "hurr look at xfire!!!! GW2 is dying!!! DURRR YO WOW KILLA FAILED!!" when 3 days later their favorite game is down to the same spot just looks kinda dumb.
    And yet games companies pay XFire for the statistical data it gathers.


    We don't get to see that data though. That would be interesting information to see.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

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