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but what does that mean? describe player created content. give me a few examples of how players generate content would look.Watch your thoughts; they become words.
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Watch your actions; they become habits.
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Yes, my perfect sandbox game has:
1) Mini games
2) Using rewards as carrot sticks to move from zone to zone
3) max level in a week
STAY out of my game please. Sandbox games do not have MINI GAMES except for games created by players and regulated by players.
I suppose you want our sandbox game to have mail, an auction house, and instanced battlegrounds too? Cross-server dungeon instances? Ugh lol.
SWG's housing and crafting system.
Dark Age of Camelot's RvR.
Ultima Online's everything.
Eve Online's everything.
fk no!
opening the overhead map on a desert planet that Tatooine was supposed to be in the SW lore and see a Manhattan streetmap instead.
"desert planet? All I see is houses!!"
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I'll help out with this:
Player Generated Content FAQ:
1. Sale and purchase of goods:
a) True sandbox would allow you to essentially put up your vendor (shop, purchasable NPC) anywhere on the map. You would need to defend it. You could set up your own prices, your own restrictions of whom may use it, etc.etc. Everything put into the vendor is lootable.
- Acceptable sandbox compromises: Location for your vendor is limited. NPC guards for your sandbox. Competing NPC vendors in major towns. Vendor location is not lootable.
- Unacceptable themepark trash: NPC vendors only with mail systems to transport anywhere in the game.
Content Conclusion: The content would be built around attempting to be a successful vendor. Defending your goods outpost and competing against other players is your content. It requires NOTHING else but that.
2. Player controlled areas:
A game can still have systems that promote sandbox (player developed) content.
For example, any game can have the most rudimentary "power star (shard, tree of life, who cares what it is)" scattered around the map. Guilds or alliances take control of it and they gain power as time progresses.
a) True sandbox experience would allow you to fortify it, purchase NPCs to protect it (or perhaps none at all), put wards on it, build fortifications around it, allow elements of INVESTMENT into the shard to increase its power or to do a whole bunch of fancy things. The possibilities to promote player driven content is enormous.
- Acceptable sandbox compromises: Static bonuses, realm vs. realm control, artificial limits to when it can be attacked
- Unacceptable themepark trash: Shards are instanced, shards reset on a daily basis, shards do nothing at all, shards are token racial or realm eye candy, shards cannot be realistically transferred or taken over, alliances and realms are artificially limited to how many they can take
Content Conclusion: Take a tic-tac-toe map and turn your MMO sandbox into 9 different provinces. Each province has a shard that grants the controlling alliance +10% hit points, +10% experience, and allows you (under the power of the shard, if you so accept) to "tithe" 10% of your divisable loot (read: gold, silver,copper) to that alliance's bank.
At its core, this is not complicated code. No more complicated than what DAOC did with realm bonuses. It could in fact be even simpler. But the content that could be generated with such a system (especially if you have complex guild/alliance options in the game) could keep your average hardcore player busy for years. Far busier than any themepark coding team of 200 could do in a similar amount of time.
Make sense?
I've said it many times since the news was released. If players think that Smed meant a total sandbox game then they are dreaming. Smed said "a sandbox style game" IMO he is talking hybrid with sandbox and themepark features.
I know he said awhile back that the game will be more akin to EQ than EQ2 with classes that are more akin to EQ and Vanguard which has more in common with EQ than EQ2 does.
He also said it would have the vast open world that Vanguard has, hopefully non instanced. He also said that some features from Vanguard could be taken and expanded, Diplomacy and Crafting and Vanguards Targetting system. He also said the classes would be more akin to EQ rather than EQ2.
PVP will be designed from the start.
EQNext will be IMO a hybrid MMO with expanded features from both games and modern features.
Also they are talking about a choice of servers, hard core server with corpse runs and similar set up to EQ.
but what does that mean? describe player created content. give me a few examples of how players generate content would look.I'll help out with this:
Player Generated Content FAQ:
1. Sale and purchase of goods:
a) True sandbox would allow you to essentially put up your vendor (shop, purchasable NPC) anywhere on the map. You would need to defend it. You could set up your own prices, your own restrictions of whom may use it, etc.etc. Everything put into the vendor is lootable.
- Acceptable sandbox compromises: Location for your vendor is limited. NPC guards for your sandbox. Competing NPC vendors in major towns. Vendor location is not lootable.
- Unacceptable themepark trash: NPC vendors only with mail systems to transport anywhere in the game.
Content Conclusion: The content would be built around attempting to be a successful vendor. Defending your goods outpost and competing against other players is your content. It requires NOTHING else but that.
2. Player controlled areas:
A game can still have systems that promote sandbox (player developed) content.
For example, any game can have the most rudimentary "power star (shard, tree of life, who cares what it is)" scattered around the map. Guilds or alliances take control of it and they gain power as time progresses.
a) True sandbox experience would allow you to fortify it, purchase NPCs to protect it (or perhaps none at all), put wards on it, build fortifications around it, allow elements of INVESTMENT into the shard to increase its power or to do a whole bunch of fancy things. The possibilities to promote player driven content is enormous.
- Acceptable sandbox compromises: Static bonuses, realm vs. realm control, artificial limits to when it can be attacked
- Unacceptable themepark trash: Shards are instanced, shards reset on a daily basis, shards do nothing at all, shards are token racial or realm eye candy, shards cannot be realistically transferred or taken over, alliances and realms are artificially limited to how many they can take
Content Conclusion: Take a tic-tac-toe map and turn your MMO sandbox into 9 different provinces. Each province has a shard that grants the controlling alliance +10% hit points, +10% experience, and allows you (under the power of the shard, if you so accept) to "tithe" 10% of your divisable loot (read: gold, silver,copper) to that alliance's bank.
At its core, this is not complicated code. No more complicated than what DAOC did with realm bonuses. It could in fact be even simpler. But the content that could be generated with such a system (especially if you have complex guild/alliance options in the game) could keep your average hardcore player busy for years. Far busier than any themepark coding team of 200 could do in a similar amount of time.
Make sense?
so basically you're saying sandbox player generated content is just crafting, pvp and politics. no wonder most sandbox mmos fail.. there has to be more than that.. i hope Smed and the SOE team arent just blowing hot air and they have more, better plans than that.Watch your thoughts; they become words.
Watch your words; they become actions.
Watch your actions; they become habits.
Watch your habits; they become character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.
Lao-Tze
yea, sony is a rather small companie, they better get some crowd fundin first if they wanna release a game.
lol. you guys are weird.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
The keyword is sandbox-STYLE, which means it won't be a sandbox at all.
I have been saying this since the news broke "sandbox style" imo means hybrid.
Hybrid means sandbox and themepark features.
We know the world will be open and seamless, will it follow Vanguard and pre LDON EQ for non instanced dungeons, i hope so.
ArcheAge is Hybrid and is looking pretty sweet.
I was right up with him to the point where he said that SWTOR is going to be dominate force for a long time. It made me question everything he said before and if he knows what he is talking about.
When I wake up, the real nightmare begins
In regards to EQNext getting it's own forums/hype meter....
Once the game has an official logo, website, and all that jazz we'll be sure to add a listing.
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maybe it will maybe not.
im playing only sci-fi
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I more meant the shops and governments that sprang up, not the unlimited placement, unlimited placement doesn't quite work, I agree. Needs more limitations.
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PVPIRL, may I recommend a simple ear as a trophy for PKing? That was always enough for me back in D2. Well, hardcore D2 so nevermind
But still it isn't a bad trophy. I think 1 item off peoples body would be OK as well but that just depends how easy it is to spawn camp... Or maybe the item would only drop once every 30 minutes or so.
Why not both? In you I used to collect people's heads, hearts, as well as some loot :P
Look at PS2 to see what kind of open world we're dealing with (day/night, lighting, physics, etc.) as there are a ton of videos out there. Keep an eye out for "player built forts" to see there can be structures made from local resources. Also see if PS2 brings in changing weather systems.
EQ2 is another place to look regarding the tech that should be migrated into EQN and built in from the start. Level scaling, dungeon building, and SoEMote to name a few. There is a feature now where anyone on you friends list can come talk to you rather than being in a group. You are a walking point of audio/video signals. Baring limits on concurrent conversations this tells be you could have zone or custom channels. The ability to also "talk" to NPCs rather than click? SJ already alluded to spellcasting with SOEMote so I wouldn't see why not. Read the SoE Live notes about everything coming to EQ2, most notably from a sandbox perspective being able to modify stats and add visual features for a specific piece.
EQN will not be a complete sandbox I don't think but I do think that even the parts that aren't will be less redundant than what we're dealing with now.
Houses in SWG before Hurricane Katrina would go *poof* when a house was abandoned and maintenance ran out. While $OE much later proved it could handle house pack ups, lack of solid management and decision making didn't allow continuous auto pack-up of houses that were abandoned (and/or inactive accounts of say 60+ days or more) outside player cities except for the rare player event of forced pack-up events that allowed players to call air strikes on abanddoned structures for tokens (limit 10 per day).
So yeah, revisiting the concept of SWG housing would definitely be exciting IF $OE has actually learned something from SWG on controlling urban sprawl.
Yeah, Vanguard or SWG is okay with me, as much as i dont mind EQ2 housing it's less appealing because it's instanced. Perhaps they could have both, owning a house in a city ike freeport would be instanced, outside the cities then non instanced.
Daoc is instanced pvp in shared zones away from the rest of the world zones. It isn't anything close to sandbox pvp. In a sandbox the entire world is open to pvp. RvR has always been just an attempt to similate open world pvp. It was a way to coddle players enough to give them a sense of protection while leveling and provide a big playground to trick them into thinking it was risky or real.
You stay sassy!
Again, we're all engaged in mental masterbation as to to what the final product will resemble. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Right now, I just wish the launch of PS2 and following month or so of newness to be over with; so Smed stops flooding my twitter with PS2 nonsense, and EQN can move into it's place as the SOE main effort.
I'm not asking for a playalble demo, hell, not even asking for screenshots. Gimmme a logo, some offical forums, maybe start engaging with the public a bit more. Only time will bring that, unfortunately. I enjoy being a part of this EQN circle jerk as much as anybody else posting here, but I honestly don't know how much we can predict when you have people like "Smokejumper" alluding to far out shit such as "spell weaving" via motion capture web cam. dafuq. What the fuck are they working on in there?!
I've never wanted a "leak" or anon insider so bad for anything lol. SOE Bradley Manning please stand up, we promise not to reveal your identity
There are areas of the world where pvp is flagged and areas of the world where it isn't. But NOTHING IS INSTANCED. even the leveling pvp in the battlegrounds is not instanced but takes place in fully persistent mini zones. The dungeons aren't instanced either, they work much like darkfall but without pvp flagged (except for darkness falls where pvp is flagged).
Instancing means having separate copies of stuff for groups of players. Daoc doesn't have this at all, there is one and one only of every single world asset in the game.
DAOC HAS ZERO INSTANCES
It's an open world, instance free themepark with some sandbox elements - housing, darkness falls, and semi sandbox elements - rvr territory control, powerful crafting.
Reading all smeds comments you have to think that they will be focusing on player generated content. He has said numerous times that they cant keep up with gamers. So what systems are out there that feature player generated content?
pvp, crafting, structure building, terrirory control, economies. How do you focus on player generated content without pvp in some incarnation? I dont think you can really.
That being said there are some things i am sure will be in the game
dungeons, raids, classes
but what i think will happen is that they wont have instances, raids wont give out phat l33t, and classes will be alot more flexible than ever seen before. I also think there will be the possibility of FPS combat and concentration on the first person view.
all in all i think we have alot to look forward to. For most of us all this sounds great, but for the pve purists, i realy do think that it is time to stat thinking a little differently.