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What F2P restriction do you hate the most?

FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,050
in Star Wars: The Old Republic

For me it comes down to the limit of only two character slots per server for F2P and Preferred customers.

 

My second choice would be the locking of the side action bars.  You definitely need all of the action bars at the higher levels.

 

 

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  • KoukikidKoukikid Member Posts: 28
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

     locking of the side action bars

     

     

    Hands down this.

  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,749

    Nice one, Frodo :)

    Same for me, I made a few mocking comments about these two myself. They seem to notice the slot problem and there will be character slot purchase in CMarket, so I'm fine with that. (2 slots became some sort of standard in f2p models)

    I guess the quickbar restriction is still leading the chart of stupid decisions.  I had at least 3 /3.5 full bars, and they're planning to give subscribers +2 (for a total of 6 bars) so they know in some classes even the 4 bar was a bit tight. And they restrict it for f2p/preferred to 1, and after the massive LOL they raised it to 2... Lame. But it's not a restriction to hate, it's more for the laugh it's so lame :)

     

    I might add to the list the "no bank / no mail / no direct trade" if TOR would be a real ( :) ) mmo, but since the returnees mostly will play it for the story, as a singleplayer game, it's not a hard limit. If you only level to the cap and stop, there's no need to hoarding stuff, you can just vendor trash everything.

    The other limits are mostly common f2p restrictions. So I guess none of TOR's restriction is for hating. This model is aiming for the actual subscribers, milking them more through the Cartel Market. It's not for bringing an influx of new players.

  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Member Posts: 937

    The whole system is really restrictive across the board so it's difficult to pick out a single aspect of it.

    I guess if I had to pick one thing it would be the extremely low cap on credits.

    If someone wanted to play as an FTP, they can't even try and navigate the hoops and barriers put into place by grinding out credits. There seems to be no way to compensate for the Draconian restrictions other then spending a lot for second class unlocks, or paying an inflated weekly subscription, or subscribing.

  • ZinzanZinzan Member UncommonPosts: 1,351
    Originally posted by tiefighter25

    The whole system is really restrictive across the board so it's difficult to pick out a single aspect of it.

    I guess if I had to pick one thing it would be the extremely low cap on credits.

    If someone wanted to play as an FTP, they can't even try and navigate the hoops and barriers put into place by grinding out credits. There seems to be no way to compensate for the Draconian restrictions other then spending a lot for second class unlocks, or paying an inflated weekly subscription, or subscribing.

    This ^^.

    SWTOR isn't F2P, it's a limited trial/Cannon-Fodder system same as PS designed to make you pay through the nose.

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  • WalterWhiteWalterWhite Member UncommonPosts: 411
    All the restrictions put upon players who bought the game in the first place. These people paid good money for a sub par game, paid a subscription fee but get nothing back when it goes F2P. The least they should get is to keep all their old characters.
  • SwaneaSwanea Member UncommonPosts: 2,401
    Originally posted by Scummyman
    All the restrictions put upon players who bought the game in the first place. These people paid good money for a sub par game, paid a subscription fee but get nothing back when it goes F2P. The least they should get is to keep all their old characters.

    I didn't get to in LotrO, would be nice, but makes sense that if I'm not subbing or paying for it that I can't.

     

    We wouldn't want the company to make any sort of profits off this, now would we.

  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,749
    Originally posted by Scummyman
    All the restrictions put upon players who bought the game in the first place. These people paid good money for a sub par game, paid a subscription fee but get nothing back when it goes F2P. The least they should get is to keep all their old characters.

    You will keep your old characters - at least for a while until they figure it out how to take it from you in a subsequent patch :)

    mmoguy43 posted a link earlier of a dulfy article, where Blaine Christine said:

    "Subscribers will still have 12 character slots available on a single server. F2P players will have 2 (as will Preferred). At Launch, we are not enforcing the penalty on subscribers who convert to Free-to-Play, but we will in a subsequent patch. A further wrinkle is that if you have more than two and you delete characters at Launch, you will not get that slot back. Example: I have 10 characters as a subscriber this November, but in December I cancel my subscription. When I login, I can still use all 10 characters (for now), but I cannot create new ones and if I delete one, I will have 9 and not be able to create another until I go down to 1. Make sense?"

  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Member Posts: 937
    Originally posted by Swanea
    Originally posted by Scummyman
    All the restrictions put upon players who bought the game in the first place. These people paid good money for a sub par game, paid a subscription fee but get nothing back when it goes F2P. The least they should get is to keep all their old characters.

    I didn't get to in LotrO, would be nice, but makes sense that if I'm not subbing or paying for it that I can't.

     

    We wouldn't want the company to make any sort of profits off this, now would we.

    There will be ways in game to earn various amounts of Turbine points. In theory, you could never spend a penny in the store but still acquire enough Turbine Points to purchase everything you would want. It would take a great deal of effort, but it would be possible.

    In contrast, subscribers will be able to earn points in game plus they will be given an additional 500 points per month for being a subscriber.

    -Rick Heaton, LOTRO community Manager

  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Member Posts: 937
    Originally posted by Po_gg
    Originally posted by Scummyman
    All the restrictions put upon players who bought the game in the first place. These people paid good money for a sub par game, paid a subscription fee but get nothing back when it goes F2P. The least they should get is to keep all their old characters.

    You will keep your old characters - at least for a while until they figure it out how to take it from you in a subsequent patch :)

    mmoguy43 posted a link earlier of a dulfy article, where Blaine Christine said:

    "Subscribers will still have 12 character slots available on a single server. F2P players will have 2 (as will Preferred). At Launch, we are not enforcing the penalty on subscribers who convert to Free-to-Play, but we will in a subsequent patch. A further wrinkle is that if you have more than two and you delete characters at Launch, you will not get that slot back. Example: I have 10 characters as a subscriber this November, but in December I cancel my subscription. When I login, I can still use all 10 characters (for now), but I cannot create new ones and if I delete one, I will have 9 and not be able to create another until I go down to 1. Make sense?"

    Always with the penalties, either now or the near future.

    Subscribe now or loose your free cartwl coins.

    Return now or loose your charcters.

    Stick, stick, stick, little carrot.

    And they're constantly amazed that they have a lack of subscribers problem.

  • ThumbtackJThumbtackJ Member UncommonPosts: 669
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    For me it comes down to the limit of only two character slots per server for F2P and Preferred customers.

     

    My second choice would be the locking of the side action bars.  You definitely need all of the action bars at the higher levels.

     

     

    Same two as you for me. 

     

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  • negativf4kknegativf4kk Member UncommonPosts: 381

    I had a sub for 5 month. Have two 50 lvl chars.and couple in a middle. Charecter restriction for old subscribers is just stupid.

    I rather resub to TSW then come back to restricted F2P of SWTOR.

    I might play on a new acc, just for the story, if they fix some graphic bugs.

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  • miramira2miramira2 Member UncommonPosts: 76
    Originally posted by Scummyman
    All the restrictions put upon players who bought the game in the first place. These people paid good money for a sub par game, paid a subscription fee but get nothing back when it goes F2P. The least they should get is to keep all their old characters.

    This, and the restriction put on Purple items (the latter is a dealbreaker, just as it was for EQ2 and Vanguard)

  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 158
    XP penalty by far. Makes it 100% unplayable for me. The only good thing with the game is the class stories and to get to those you need to level. It's like being constantly punished every step I take if I dont get normal XP. It's annoying enough that you are able to buy XP boosts so leveling speed can get completely unfair, but to actually go out and punish F2P instead of giving subscribers more XP is the biggest no no in my book.
  • TeknoBugTeknoBug Member UncommonPosts: 2,156

    Originally posted by Koukikid
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins  locking of the side action bars    
    Hands down this.

    This x2.

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  • RoxtarrRoxtarr Member CommonPosts: 1,122
    I have to admit, some of the F2P changes are baffling.  Action bars? This is what happens when a game was never intended to be free to play.  What are they going to monotoze next...the mini map? It's like a store going out of business where they even sell the bathroom sinks.  Seems a bit over the top to me.

    If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
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  • JyiigaJyiiga Member UncommonPosts: 1,187

    I can not pick just one. After having a developer tell me that people not paying add value to their p2p game (gw2) and the fact that nothing in their shop is required for me to play.. EA/Bioware is just gonna step off a cliff with their F2P options. 

    UI Limitations

    Warzone Limitations

    Flashpoint Limitations

    Item Limitations

    The list just goes on forever, in short... I think everyone in charge over there is gd moron at this point. 

  • RednecksithRednecksith Member Posts: 1,238
    Definitely the locking of the action bars. Most idiotic restriction I've ever seen / heard of in an F2P game. Blocking basic game functionality for the sake of profit sounds about right for EA though.
  • meddyckmeddyck Member UncommonPosts: 1,282
    I hate the "complementary" cartel coins... but only if you pay them another $15 to subscribe for another month. Either give the coins for free to people who previously paid for the game or don't. Requiring another $15 to get free coins is just crap.

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  • mmoguy43mmoguy43 Member UncommonPosts: 2,770

    1. 2 hotbars. By lvl 30 you will be feeling the pain.

    2. 350k credits cap. This will prevent you from getting MANY of the legacy perk upgrades and will likely make the purchase of unlocks out of reach.

    3. Lockboxes can't be aquired making the slicing crew skill useless and treasure hunting partially usless. Can't even accept them as quest rewards (link) which makes the credit grind for non-subscribers even worse.

     

    I don't know I sort of hate them all. EA's plan is make players feel the pain all over if they don't want to feel it in their wallet.

  • Greymantle4Greymantle4 Member UncommonPosts: 809
    Originally posted by TeknoBug

     

    Originally posted by Koukikid
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins  locking of the side action bars    
    Hands down this.
    This x2.

     

    The same.

  • mochipixelsmochipixels Member UncommonPosts: 144

    The restrictions that made me do a double-take were the XP, UI and the mind-bogglingly contrived hide-helmet restriction.

    You have to pay....to hide your helmet.  *sigh*

  • BelgaraathBelgaraath Member UncommonPosts: 3,204

    I would have to agree with the OP. Those two annoy me the worst. 

    I'm still not sure if I'll come back with these restrictions as to be a subscriber, I want the things I wrote to them about to be addressed which is more around making the cities/world feel more alive like in GW2 (inluding day/night cycles and other environmental aesthetics) and making the game feel more social so that the fleet is not the center of everything.

    I may subscribe for one month, not sure. I barely have time for GW2 and I'm still enjoying that game even if the mid levels feel barren sometimes.

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  • defector1968defector1968 Member UncommonPosts: 469

    of course the UI restrictions are the most hateful, its obvious why

    if some1 knows ..... the f2p players can they get CC with any way? didnt read anything about it.

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  • SomeOldBlokeSomeOldBloke Member UncommonPosts: 2,167
    I can't pick just one, their whole free2play model is rediculous. If they hadn't wasted all their money during developemnt they wouldn't be trying to niclel and dime us now in attempt to make a profit.
  • tiefighter25tiefighter25 Member Posts: 937
    Originally posted by defector1968

    of course the UI restrictions are the most hateful, its obvious why

    if some1 knows ..... the f2p players can they get CC with any way? didnt read anything about it.

    No. Cartel Coins are not obtainable in game in any form or fashion. (Unlike LOTRO or GW2). That's the bad news.

    The good news is that EA is holding off on the unlock left hand turn so as not to have to make 3 consecutive right hand turns.

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