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Abuz0rAbuz0r Member UncommonPosts: 550
in Darkfall: Unholy Wars

Why are so many people upset that they delayed the release of the game.

1) You haven't paid any money for anything yet.

2) If they release the game before it's ready, you'll compare it to Age of Conans buggy release.

3) If the classes are imbalanced you'll complain about that.

4) If the game won't load on certain hardware get ups people will call AV scammers.

5) If there are exploits because of a lack of beta testing, people will hate AV forever.

 

Unlike most of the people I've seen comments by, I took the time to read the explanation made by AV.

I run my own company and when I make a decision like this it is very painful.  Keep in mind 1 thing, AV owes you nothing, you don't own share in their company, you haven't given them your money for this product yet.  Just because you WANT the game NOW doesn't mean they can add extra hours in the day and add extra days in the week to make sure the game gets out in the amount of time they want it to.

AV is in business to please people, keep subs, and make money.  Players are in the business to be entertained, PvP and pay money for the time they have fun.  All the crying I've seen about this delay in release sounds like the same people who call and yell at me if UPS delivers their package a day late.  Get a life already.

 

OKOK I'm tryint to understand peoples anger.  Do you honestly think that AV is sitting on the game saying "LOL let's delay it and see them get mad LOLLOL!OL!OL!OL! We aren't making any money but they're mad this is great!!!"

  Do you honestly think that?

Put on your patient hat, and hope for the best product, and find something else to do while you wait.

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  • Justin9820Justin9820 Member Posts: 49
    People are not all that mad about the delay. People are mad because of the time and way they were told. Aventurine waited until pretty much launch day to say "we will give you beta in 6 days and launch eventually".
  • asmkm22asmkm22 Member Posts: 1,788
    This game will be about as relevant in the MMO industry as the first versions was, so I don't think it matters much either way.

    You make me like charity

  • fascismfascism Member UncommonPosts: 428
    I wouldnt say people are mad. Most of what im reading is of disapointment or humor.
  • TheJodaTheJoda Member UncommonPosts: 605
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    Why are so many people upset that they delayed the release of the game.

    1) You haven't paid any money for anything yet.

    2) If they release the game before it's ready, you'll compare it to Age of Conans buggy release.

    3) If the classes are imbalanced you'll complain about that.

    4) If the game won't load on certain hardware get ups people will call AV scammers.

    5) If there are exploits because of a lack of beta testing, people will hate AV forever.

     

    Unlike most of the people I've seen comments by, I took the time to read the explanation made by AV.

    I run my own company and when I make a decision like this it is very painful.  Keep in mind 1 thing, AV owes you nothing, you don't own share in their company, you haven't given them your money for this product yet.  Just because you WANT the game NOW doesn't mean they can add extra hours in the day and add extra days in the week to make sure the game gets out in the amount of time they want it to.

    AV is in business to please people, keep subs, and make money.  Players are in the business to be entertained, PvP and pay money for the time they have fun.  All the crying I've seen about this delay in release sounds like the same people who call and yell at me if UPS delivers their package a day late.  Get a life already.

     

     

     

    .....So in "your" business do you lie to your customer base??

     

    ....Being Banned from MMORPG's forums since 2010, for Trolling the Trolls!!!

  • Abuz0rAbuz0r Member UncommonPosts: 550
    Originally posted by TheJoda
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    Why are so many people upset that they delayed the release of the game.

    1) You haven't paid any money for anything yet.

    2) If they release the game before it's ready, you'll compare it to Age of Conans buggy release.

    3) If the classes are imbalanced you'll complain about that.

    4) If the game won't load on certain hardware get ups people will call AV scammers.

    5) If there are exploits because of a lack of beta testing, people will hate AV forever.

     

    Unlike most of the people I've seen comments by, I took the time to read the explanation made by AV.

    I run my own company and when I make a decision like this it is very painful.  Keep in mind 1 thing, AV owes you nothing, you don't own share in their company, you haven't given them your money for this product yet.  Just because you WANT the game NOW doesn't mean they can add extra hours in the day and add extra days in the week to make sure the game gets out in the amount of time they want it to.

    AV is in business to please people, keep subs, and make money.  Players are in the business to be entertained, PvP and pay money for the time they have fun.  All the crying I've seen about this delay in release sounds like the same people who call and yell at me if UPS delivers their package a day late.  Get a life already.

     

     

     

    .....So in "your" business do you lie to your customer base??

     

    I say their package will be delivered on 12/23.  Then UPS loads it on the wrong truck, and doesn't deliver it until the 26th.  Am I a liar?  Trust me I'm the guy who gets yelled at.

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Member Posts: 1,788
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by TheJoda
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    Why are so many people upset that they delayed the release of the game.

    1) You haven't paid any money for anything yet.

    2) If they release the game before it's ready, you'll compare it to Age of Conans buggy release.

    3) If the classes are imbalanced you'll complain about that.

    4) If the game won't load on certain hardware get ups people will call AV scammers.

    5) If there are exploits because of a lack of beta testing, people will hate AV forever.

     

    Unlike most of the people I've seen comments by, I took the time to read the explanation made by AV.

    I run my own company and when I make a decision like this it is very painful.  Keep in mind 1 thing, AV owes you nothing, you don't own share in their company, you haven't given them your money for this product yet.  Just because you WANT the game NOW doesn't mean they can add extra hours in the day and add extra days in the week to make sure the game gets out in the amount of time they want it to.

    AV is in business to please people, keep subs, and make money.  Players are in the business to be entertained, PvP and pay money for the time they have fun.  All the crying I've seen about this delay in release sounds like the same people who call and yell at me if UPS delivers their package a day late.  Get a life already.

     

     

     

    .....So in "your" business do you lie to your customer base??

     

    I say their package will be delivered on 12/23.  Then UPS loads it on the wrong truck, and doesn't deliver it until the 26th.  Am I a liar?

    I think a better analogy would be that you say their package will be delivered on 12/23, but on 12/22 you let them know that you haven't even shipped it out yet.

    You make me like charity

  • fascismfascism Member UncommonPosts: 428
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by TheJoda
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    Why are so many people upset that they delayed the release of the game.

    1) You haven't paid any money for anything yet.

    2) If they release the game before it's ready, you'll compare it to Age of Conans buggy release.

    3) If the classes are imbalanced you'll complain about that.

    4) If the game won't load on certain hardware get ups people will call AV scammers.

    5) If there are exploits because of a lack of beta testing, people will hate AV forever.

     

    Unlike most of the people I've seen comments by, I took the time to read the explanation made by AV.

    I run my own company and when I make a decision like this it is very painful.  Keep in mind 1 thing, AV owes you nothing, you don't own share in their company, you haven't given them your money for this product yet.  Just because you WANT the game NOW doesn't mean they can add extra hours in the day and add extra days in the week to make sure the game gets out in the amount of time they want it to.

    AV is in business to please people, keep subs, and make money.  Players are in the business to be entertained, PvP and pay money for the time they have fun.  All the crying I've seen about this delay in release sounds like the same people who call and yell at me if UPS delivers their package a day late.  Get a life already.

     

     

     

    .....So in "your" business do you lie to your customer base??

     

    I say their package will be delivered on 12/23.  Then UPS loads it on the wrong truck, and doesn't deliver it until the 26th.  Am I a liar?  Trust me I'm the guy who gets yelled at.

    Is that really what you think happened here?

  • Abuz0rAbuz0r Member UncommonPosts: 550
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by TheJoda
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    Why are so many people upset that they delayed the release of the game.

    1) You haven't paid any money for anything yet.

    2) If they release the game before it's ready, you'll compare it to Age of Conans buggy release.

    3) If the classes are imbalanced you'll complain about that.

    4) If the game won't load on certain hardware get ups people will call AV scammers.

    5) If there are exploits because of a lack of beta testing, people will hate AV forever.

     

    Unlike most of the people I've seen comments by, I took the time to read the explanation made by AV.

    I run my own company and when I make a decision like this it is very painful.  Keep in mind 1 thing, AV owes you nothing, you don't own share in their company, you haven't given them your money for this product yet.  Just because you WANT the game NOW doesn't mean they can add extra hours in the day and add extra days in the week to make sure the game gets out in the amount of time they want it to.

    AV is in business to please people, keep subs, and make money.  Players are in the business to be entertained, PvP and pay money for the time they have fun.  All the crying I've seen about this delay in release sounds like the same people who call and yell at me if UPS delivers their package a day late.  Get a life already.

     

     

     

    .....So in "your" business do you lie to your customer base??

     

    I say their package will be delivered on 12/23.  Then UPS loads it on the wrong truck, and doesn't deliver it until the 26th.  Am I a liar?

    I think a better analogy would be that you say their package will be delivered on 12/23, but on 12/22 you let them know that you haven't even shipped it out yet.

    So you want them to ship you a defective product? So you can cry about that?

  • Cstahler92Cstahler92 Member Posts: 93
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by TheJoda
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    Why are so many people upset that they delayed the release of the game.

    1) You haven't paid any money for anything yet.

    2) If they release the game before it's ready, you'll compare it to Age of Conans buggy release.

    3) If the classes are imbalanced you'll complain about that.

    4) If the game won't load on certain hardware get ups people will call AV scammers.

    5) If there are exploits because of a lack of beta testing, people will hate AV forever.

     

    Unlike most of the people I've seen comments by, I took the time to read the explanation made by AV.

    I run my own company and when I make a decision like this it is very painful.  Keep in mind 1 thing, AV owes you nothing, you don't own share in their company, you haven't given them your money for this product yet.  Just because you WANT the game NOW doesn't mean they can add extra hours in the day and add extra days in the week to make sure the game gets out in the amount of time they want it to.

    AV is in business to please people, keep subs, and make money.  Players are in the business to be entertained, PvP and pay money for the time they have fun.  All the crying I've seen about this delay in release sounds like the same people who call and yell at me if UPS delivers their package a day late.  Get a life already.

     

     

     

    .....So in "your" business do you lie to your customer base??

     

    I say their package will be delivered on 12/23.  Then UPS loads it on the wrong truck, and doesn't deliver it until the 26th.  Am I a liar?  Trust me I'm the guy who gets yelled at.

    You're a liar if you send them a statement the day before it is supposed to arrive saying "Oh... we haven't even put it in the packaging yet." You keep doing that and believe it or not your company is going to go under. The problem is that it was supposed to be out today, they delay it, and then tell us they don't even have a build for beta yet. it is a lie in the sense that you delayed the truth until the last possible minute.

  • Cstahler92Cstahler92 Member Posts: 93
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by TheJoda
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    Why are so many people upset that they delayed the release of the game.

    1) You haven't paid any money for anything yet.

    2) If they release the game before it's ready, you'll compare it to Age of Conans buggy release.

    3) If the classes are imbalanced you'll complain about that.

    4) If the game won't load on certain hardware get ups people will call AV scammers.

    5) If there are exploits because of a lack of beta testing, people will hate AV forever.

     

    Unlike most of the people I've seen comments by, I took the time to read the explanation made by AV.

    I run my own company and when I make a decision like this it is very painful.  Keep in mind 1 thing, AV owes you nothing, you don't own share in their company, you haven't given them your money for this product yet.  Just because you WANT the game NOW doesn't mean they can add extra hours in the day and add extra days in the week to make sure the game gets out in the amount of time they want it to.

    AV is in business to please people, keep subs, and make money.  Players are in the business to be entertained, PvP and pay money for the time they have fun.  All the crying I've seen about this delay in release sounds like the same people who call and yell at me if UPS delivers their package a day late.  Get a life already.

     

     

     

    .....So in "your" business do you lie to your customer base??

     

    I say their package will be delivered on 12/23.  Then UPS loads it on the wrong truck, and doesn't deliver it until the 26th.  Am I a liar?

    I think a better analogy would be that you say their package will be delivered on 12/23, but on 12/22 you let them know that you haven't even shipped it out yet.

    So you want them to ship you a defective product? So you can cry about that?

    I'd rather get a notice a week before instead of the day of. Saying "We don't have a build yet for beta." is saying "Oh... we've known for week that it won't come out today.... but fuck you."

  • Dantae87Dantae87 Member Posts: 166
    ppl are just unpatient by nature. they want things now! I for one hope they delay it again till mid 2013 so they can release a fully polished game with next to no bugs...

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  • fascismfascism Member UncommonPosts: 428
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by asmkm22
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by TheJoda
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    Why are so many people upset that they delayed the release of the game.

    1) You haven't paid any money for anything yet.

    2) If they release the game before it's ready, you'll compare it to Age of Conans buggy release.

    3) If the classes are imbalanced you'll complain about that.

    4) If the game won't load on certain hardware get ups people will call AV scammers.

    5) If there are exploits because of a lack of beta testing, people will hate AV forever.

     

    Unlike most of the people I've seen comments by, I took the time to read the explanation made by AV.

    I run my own company and when I make a decision like this it is very painful.  Keep in mind 1 thing, AV owes you nothing, you don't own share in their company, you haven't given them your money for this product yet.  Just because you WANT the game NOW doesn't mean they can add extra hours in the day and add extra days in the week to make sure the game gets out in the amount of time they want it to.

    AV is in business to please people, keep subs, and make money.  Players are in the business to be entertained, PvP and pay money for the time they have fun.  All the crying I've seen about this delay in release sounds like the same people who call and yell at me if UPS delivers their package a day late.  Get a life already.

     

     

     

    .....So in "your" business do you lie to your customer base??

     

    I say their package will be delivered on 12/23.  Then UPS loads it on the wrong truck, and doesn't deliver it until the 26th.  Am I a liar?

    I think a better analogy would be that you say their package will be delivered on 12/23, but on 12/22 you let them know that you haven't even shipped it out yet.

    So you want them to ship you a defective product? So you can cry about that?

    bro they dont even have a product

  • Abuz0rAbuz0r Member UncommonPosts: 550

    See you guys just don't get it.  Your justification is that AV owes something to you.  Like they OWE it to you to give you a product on 12/12/12.  You aren't their customer yet, they haven't accepted your money. 

    Until you've given them your money you have no justification.

    To the arguments above.  If someone pays me for a product and I fail to ship it, they deserve to yell at me.  If I tell a person that I will ship them something on 12/12/12 and they can pay for it after they get it, and I fail to ship it, maybe they won't buy from me anymore, but they have no right to yell at me, as they've paid me nothing.

  • Cstahler92Cstahler92 Member Posts: 93
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    See you guys just don't get it.  Your justification is that AV owes something to you.  Like they OWE it to you to give you a product on 12/12/12.  You aren't their customer yet, they haven't accepted your money. 

    Until you've given them your money you have no justification.

    To the arguments above.  If someone pays me for a product and I fail to ship it, they deserve to yell at me.  If I tell a person that I will ship them something on 12/12/12 and they can pay for it after they get it, and I fail to ship it, maybe they won't buy from me anymore, but they have no right to yell at me, as they've paid me nothing.

    Great business model. Go try out "Oh... we don't owe you shit. " model and see how far it gets you.

     

    Spoiler alert:

    Not very.

  • fascismfascism Member UncommonPosts: 428
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    See you guys just don't get it.  Your justification is that AV owes something to you.  Like they OWE it to you to give you a product on 12/12/12.  You aren't their customer yet, they haven't accepted your money. 

    Until you've given them your money you have no justification.

    To the arguments above.  If someone pays me for a product and I fail to ship it, they deserve to yell at me.  If I tell a person that I will ship them something on 12/12/12 and they can pay for it after they get it, and I fail to ship it, maybe they won't buy from me anymore, but they have no right to yell at me, as they've paid me nothing.

    i dont think anyone believes AV owes them anything. I think that they believe AV are liars.

  • SeronysSeronys Member UncommonPosts: 51
    Originally posted by Justin9820
    People are not all that mad about the delay. People are mad because of the time and way they were told. Aventurine waited until pretty much launch day to say "we will give you beta in 6 days and launch eventually".

    Exactly what you stated here... i'm not mad that there is a delay, infact i'd rather there would be a delay if the game isn't prepared, it's AVs general lack of communication that is frustrating. And for the record i bought and played DF for just over 2 years, so yes i did contribute to AV. All they need to do is stop lying, say they're launching it in january, and there ya go.

    oh and as someone who has played DF for a while.

     

    OKOK I'm tryint to understand peoples anger.  Do you honestly think that AV is sitting on the game saying "LOL let's delay it and see them get mad LOLLOL!OL!OL!OL! We aren't making any money but they're mad this is great!!!"

     

    yes i really do think thats what boss tasos is saying. Have you heard of funhulks?

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Member Posts: 1,788
    Originally posted by Abuz0r

    See you guys just don't get it.  Your justification is that AV owes something to you.  Like they OWE it to you to give you a product on 12/12/12.  You aren't their customer yet, they haven't accepted your money. 

    Until you've given them your money you have no justification.

    To the arguments above.  If someone pays me for a product and I fail to ship it, they deserve to yell at me.  If I tell a person that I will ship them something on 12/12/12 and they can pay for it after they get it, and I fail to ship it, maybe they won't buy from me anymore, but they have no right to yell at me, as they've paid me nothing.

    Of course they don't owe us anything.  We don't owe them anything either though, so it's a two-way street.  I'd much rather have people vocalize their disapproval of how AV handled the issue rather than just sit back and take it in the rear without complaint.  The fact that they don't owe us anything means nothing when it's the developer's bottom line at stake.  If they see enough people complaining, they might just start to act like a professional developer.  If no one complains, they'll just keep acting like amateurs.

    So feel free to defend them.

    You make me like charity

  • Cstahler92Cstahler92 Member Posts: 93
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    [mod edit]

    I love how "I'd like to be respected by a company I have taken interest in." is a childish argument. They KNEW it wasn't coming out on this day for at least a week. The delay is not what is pissing people off. It is the disregard for their fan base and potential buyers that is pissing people off.

  • dinamsdinams Member Posts: 1,362

    People will always complain

    Especially on mmorpg.com

    "It has potential"
    -Second most used phrase on existence
    "It sucks"
    -Most used phrase on existence

  • fascismfascism Member UncommonPosts: 428
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    [mod edit]

    Im gonna cry about something brotaytoe, today its this, but that fact doesnt make what you are posting make any real sense, and yes I live with my mom, but that doesnt mean your counter arguements are anything but invalid. Your posts devolved quickly from "you dont understand, I run a buisness let me tell you how entitled you arent" to petty unsults and spray and pray mark missing capslock fury. Try and understand peoples postions and form arguements from there bro .

  • Abuz0rAbuz0r Member UncommonPosts: 550
    Originally posted by Cstahler92
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by Cstahler92
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
     

    I love how "I'd like to be respected by a company I have taken interest in." is a childish argument. They KNEW it wasn't coming out on this day for at least a week. The delay is not what is pissing people off. It is the disregard for their fan base and potential buyers that is pissing people off.

    [mod edit]

    [mod edit]

    When you said they KNEW << emphasis on the caps ... that's the same as them doing it on purpose.  What makes you think they owe you something?

  • Cstahler92Cstahler92 Member Posts: 93
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by Cstahler92
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
    Originally posted by Cstahler92
    Originally posted by Abuz0r
     

    I love how "I'd like to be respected by a company I have taken interest in." is a childish argument. They KNEW it wasn't coming out on this day for at least a week. The delay is not what is pissing people off. It is the disregard for their fan base and potential buyers that is pissing people off.

    [mod edit]

    [mod edit]

    When you said they KNEW << emphasis on the caps ... that's the same as them doing it on purpose.  What makes you think they owe you something?

    They didn't release the info  on purpose. that much is clear considering that they don't even have a Beta Build yet and it is possibly coming out next Monday. They don't owe me money, but they owe me a better time frame. I'm thinking about investing my money in to their game, I have talked about it amongst my friends, and I have spent time looking in to it. The veyr elast they could have done is "12/12/12 launch date is not happening. We are sorry about the delay and will bring further information later." I give them my respect by advertising them among my group, my guild, and putting in time to look in to the game and so do MANY other people. We don't deserve their respect or the effort of 2 sentences?

  • jdlamson75jdlamson75 Member UncommonPosts: 1,010
    I've been talking to a bunch of my clannies, and I, for one, am not in the least bit upset or surprised.  I expect AV to delay a few times, and am ok with the beta thing.  I don't expect to get into the beta right away if there are limitations on beta players, and I'm ok with that.  I'll play the game eventually.
  • jdnewelljdnewell Member UncommonPosts: 2,237

    Just reading your posts and general ideas of how a company should have handled something like this makes me doubt you run your own business.

    Maybe they dont " owe" anyone anything. But any business should at least communicate with their existing and potential customers , especially about a product that will be delayed. Waiting until the day before launch to tell people there is a delay - Again- and then not even having a beta client ready.... Which means they knew the game was not ready weeks ago, is just poor business any way you cut it.

    Maybe you should try the " We dont owe you shit" approach to your supposed company and see how that works for ya.

  • BetakodoBetakodo Member UncommonPosts: 333

    Flash back to what Darkfall's original release was like. Delay, silence, crap communication.

    I liked it when people called Tasos a liar back then.

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