Originally posted by Silky303 I know Cheapy is presenting fiction as fact because I can read all of the deleted threads he's talking about
Members were not banned as part of some kind of underhand vendetta as he's making out. He is presenting a version of events that simply is not true
My issue isn't the cheapy issue as much as it is the cheating, and nothing other than "we're on it", as a "fix". That no bush "bug" hasn't been a "bug" for a very long time now. And crs knows it.
Then perhaps one should elucidate on the matter, Silky, rather than pointing and calling names.
I don't play the game and I am not privy to experiencing the antics this crowd seems to be getting up to every so often. I can say with confidence however that the antics which spill over to this site has never had me standing in favor of the manner any moderator or administrator behaves with. It's generally painted the moderators there and the people that choose to represent them as a rather cheeky lot with a general agenda, and it's not an image to the comany's benefit.
So point being. If there is a problem with the claims made, if there is a discrepancy that is not addressed properly, then it needs to be elucidated, not to simply be alluded.
If company policy doesn't let one post the actual thread content or quote it directly, then opening up more about the logic behind forum behavior and more clarity on the company's conduct towards issues in the game as they happen would certainly help to clear the air.
It seems that in particular is not happening in a sufficient manner.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
Originally posted by rpw1 There are more than a few haxors in WW II Online and as you said you cannot talk about it in the forums there. Most people know who they are and yet nothing ever gets done about it. I have encountered most in the infantry and armor part of the game. The bush bug hack is quite popular with the tanker crowd.
Sounds exactly like the type of game i have no desire to play.
The fact that the game is even coded in a manner that someone could do something like what that poster was talking about with the AA gun is utterly ridiculous.
You will always encounter headshot scripters and wallhackers in FPS style games, thats unavoidable since those hacks are clientside, but one of the main purposed/advanteges of an MMO is being able to do a ton of the processing server side specifically so people CANT hack.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
It's unfortunate you've come to that conclusion Deivos but understandable given the fact that the majority of posters here actually long to see WWIIOL fail because the game developed in ways they wished it hadn't and for some reason they can't accept this and instead need to constantly attack the game and berate those they feel are responsible - be it the dev team, the GM team or the mid team.
Yeah, tell me about it. I made a video of the physics bug, walked a pak 36 ATG up the side of a church tower and deployed it at the top. Uploaded it to youtube and posted it in the bug forum...
Deleted with no reason given, not even a private message. This was years ago. The bug is still unresolved.
Sad thing is the people who still cheat, even now that stats are down.
I used to get 20mm AA guns on top of blown up buildings all the time. It was the best place to be as a 20mm flak.
Someone in an air squadron admitted to using a cheesy move to deny the other guy a kill. It's not an official exploit or cheating, but it's pretty embarrassing for the squad.
Because a mod was a member of that squad, he scrubbed the thread. I don't care who got banned for whatever else, that's pretty lame.
Originally posted by Hodo I used to get 20mm AA guns on top of blown up buildings all the time. It was the best place to be as a 20mm flak.
Yeah I posted it because there was absolutely no mention of this really strange physics bug. It was deleted though with no explanation.
Of course now it's against the TOS to push a 20mm flak to the top of a building; you get warnings from the GM for "clipping" even though you're sitting in plain view and to get there you do not pass through any barriers or colliders. It's also not like a light flak on a building is unrealistic or provides some kind of game-breaking advantage.
The whole thing is funny now that it's obvious how little testing the guys at CRS did and how little they know about their own game's code. They don't even know their own damage models or physics engine, they can't program some database and get player statistics up yet we'll still get a wall of text from Doc explaining how intricate the game is in some aspect.
Originally posted by Silky303 It's unfortunate you've come to that conclusion Deivos but understandable given the fact that the majority of posters here actually long to see WWIIOL fail because the game developed in ways they wished it hadn't and for some reason they can't accept this and instead need to constantly attack the game and berate those they feel are responsible - be it the dev team, the GM team or the mid team.
Cheapy was banned for posting porn
A bit misleading seeing as most love the game but it is failing because of those things and not in spite of them.
Originally posted by ginzoI'm sure of course the Chinese players cooked up their own hacks as well.
I'm reasonably certain that there are no Chinese players playing this game.
Not anymore, but some hacks appeared for sale soon after the china project. I mean you can't just toss around the code like they did(apparently for little financial gain) without consequences.
It's no matter because players are using F2P accounts to spy even more now. Lone riflemen sitting out in the middle of nowhere on most attacks, looking at their map.
Those that had a negative viewpoint on china were held in the same regard as many pointing out "negative" issues here. "Xenophobia" And look where we are now.
Well gents, figured I would try and chime in here abit, first time posting here and some good reading as the discussions that have gone on good or bad, still give some insight on how players feel or like to see.
Wall of text to follow.
Appologies to mrcheapy if you may feel I am responding here to single you out, not the case as I need to start somewhere and figured this is as good as any to start off with.
Many of you know me ingame, been with this since day 1, and progressed through many of the different aspects that the game provided over the years, and yes even the frustration it can cause, just like any other game out there with the dynamics and human error that comes to play as a MMORPG.
And yes I am a RAT Assistaint Game Manager, or as some of you have called...a fake RAT, but thats ok...my heart belongs to the community and the efforts of the High Commands, and the company itself on what this game provides and what it can bring.
Now on topic.
To respond to the OP,
It needs to be cleared that when a game is published and its goal is to provide a true enviorment of being a player run game, such as Battleground Europe, and with the continued interaction of players needing to communicate with other players, ingame and out of game, there has to be a proper set of rules or ToS so that the community itself doesnt implode, and we have seen some very dramatic flame wars kick off, and due to some of the seriousness of some of those threads action would have to be taken so a player or players dont openly feel abused by others....sadly this does happen, due to the nature of the internet and or a players frustration.....hence why our Moderation teams, be it a side MOD or Forum MOD has to keep an eye on situation.
Now one of the requirments we have and ask to be enforced is that open posting of names of players whom others feel are cheating, exploiting , griefing etc etc is not allowed.....This is out of respect not only for the poster, but the accused, only because of the consequences that can happen. What we find is alot...and yes a large percentage of reports we follow are based mainly on perception by the player who thinks another is cheating and the issue was actually client side rendering, lag, player conection loss ,etc etc...there are many variables that could be involved.......and the end result was a player was openly and or wrongly accused and now has been smeared in the public forums and the accuser is now or could be looked at as a trouble maker, whiner etc etc....now to be honost, we do come across the player who is purpposly disrupting game play for others or a side useing various means, and this is a very small percentage, and also due to the nature of the beast, it does take some time to get those who are lucky enough to have yet to be caught....time will only tell.
With the reports we do get, and we get them in various ways,to include pms to us, emails or ingame reports, we have to make sure the report is accurate and not a report falsly accussing another out of rage or animosity, and this may take some time or sometimes it is confirmed immeadiatly and the proper action is taken....but the bottomline to that is, we have to confirm this with our own investigations with our resources and or Game Moderators so we are 100% sure an innocent player/customer is not wrongly recieveing a Ban, Warning or other action. Its not that we dont believe the reports, but we must take action to properly confirm due to how player perception can be and its proper customer service.
Now its understandable that some feel they may have been wronged, due to them recieveing a BAN or WARN within the forums or game for posting/chatting information about a possible cheat/cheater, exploiter or griefer. Especially when they feel they are helping the game. ( we do have a proper procedure for players to make reports for followup and investigating ) but sadly when even that player, even tho they may have good intentions, does this and continually recieves messages advising them to not do this, the end result may end in a TEMP BAN .
I know some here posting I have been involved with ingame and other actions out of game, and nothing is more frustrating from my experience is having to take appropriate action on another player, mainly because there are other means available and provided, now granted the player who made the report and community will most likely never see the end result or explanaition on why a certain action was taken, this is to help protect the player who violated ToS....some may not agree with this, but that is out of the best interest for all the customers.
I know some here will take what I am saying and possibly twist it because I am part of CRS..or a fake RAT S!, or just will not believe what is being said, thats ok as we must accept its just how things are and understand that sometimes you have better luck beating your head against a brick wall, and once again human nature.
I will stop here and take a rest S!, and if you got through that wall of text...huge respects to you S!
Not trying to be problematic or insulting on what may appear to be obvious with the pic you posted, we have seen this and definantly frustrating to see, also our MODs , GMs AGMs have seen plenty of replies by players that purposly try and get a rise out of others by saying such things in replies, I am not saying you are wrong or right on this matter, just trying to give you a explanation ...and believe it or not things are looked into as we still need solid evidence other than a post due to that reason of it possibly being a player replying like a sarcastic ass.
Its tuff seriously, for any game out there to try and prove, as in this matter if its being done on purpose or a connection issue, as the player could respond saying that, and we have to take his word due to now there is no solid proof and some doubt until we can get something solid.
I dont want to sound like I am saying you dont know what you are talking about, or that we ignore such issues, and we would hope that more would believe what we try and put across on dealing with issues like this, but due to how perception is made, and being able to protect the customer, wrong or right, we have to follow a certain procedures.
This most likely is not the answer you wanted, and its not like I stated to belittle the issue you posted about.
Not trying to be problematic or insulting on what may appear to be obvious with the pic you posted, we have seen this and definantly frustrating to see, also our MODs , GMs AGMs have seen plenty of replies by players that purposly try and get a rise out of others by saying such things in replies, I am not saying you are wrong or right on this matter, just trying to give you a explanation ...and believe it or not things are looked into as we still need solid evidence other than a post due to that reason of it possibly being a player replying like a sarcastic ass.
Its tuff seriously, for any game out there to try and prove, as in this matter if its being done on purpose or a connection issue, as the player could respond saying that, and we have to take his word due to now there is no solid proof and some doubt until we can get something solid.
I dont want to sound like I am saying you dont know what you are talking about, or that we ignore such issues, and we would hope that more would believe what we try and put across on dealing with issues like this, but due to how perception is made, and being able to protect the customer, wrong or right, we have to follow a certain procedures.
This most likely is not the answer you wanted, and its not like I stated to belittle the issue you posted about.
can someone translate this
My Babel fish went insane trying to make heads or tails of it....
Lexfire is wrong. we have e-mailed, screen shotted, video recorded and even referenced stats for proof of cheaters (see Thief's method for figuring out plug pulling) for at least the 2+ some change years I've been flying in this game and not one f'n response or action was taken because of it. We have people who openly admit to pulling the plug and exploiting the timeout bug and still no action is taken. It's bad enough that CRS refuses to acknowledge this but what's even worse and the reason I am done with this game is that the community doesn't care. People who do this should be exiled from the game as they are a cancer on the community.
They play it off as accidentally ramming the ground or another airplane when in reality it was an advantageous and convenient way out of a situation where they were 99.9% gonna die. They claim "CTD" when they disconnect after dying. Or even worse they openly admit to either and still play this game. If CRS is really keeping them around for the money factor, I will gladly cancel that out by unsubbing myself, as I have.
First leak of at least a couple dozen from the mod forums. This one is in regards to cheating and how the GMs don't believe certain things are a TOS. Image is too large to post so please click.
More will be coming out. The next subject will be regarding Antwerp.
First leak of at least a couple dozen from the mod forums. This one is in regards to cheating and how the GMs don't believe certain things are a TOS. Image is too large to post so please click.
More will be coming out. The next subject will be regarding Antwerp.
Dayum, did the mods delete your link that quick? I clicked it, refreshed page, and its gone.
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My issue isn't the cheapy issue as much as it is the cheating, and nothing other than "we're on it", as a "fix". That no bush "bug" hasn't been a "bug" for a very long time now. And crs knows it.
That I take issue with.
Then perhaps one should elucidate on the matter, Silky, rather than pointing and calling names.
I don't play the game and I am not privy to experiencing the antics this crowd seems to be getting up to every so often. I can say with confidence however that the antics which spill over to this site has never had me standing in favor of the manner any moderator or administrator behaves with. It's generally painted the moderators there and the people that choose to represent them as a rather cheeky lot with a general agenda, and it's not an image to the comany's benefit.
So point being. If there is a problem with the claims made, if there is a discrepancy that is not addressed properly, then it needs to be elucidated, not to simply be alluded.
If company policy doesn't let one post the actual thread content or quote it directly, then opening up more about the logic behind forum behavior and more clarity on the company's conduct towards issues in the game as they happen would certainly help to clear the air.
It seems that in particular is not happening in a sufficient manner.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
I don't even know why they deleted the thread.
It's one guy admitting to something that's not even an official exploit, just a jerk thing to do. More of a matter of chivalry.
Sounds exactly like the type of game i have no desire to play.
The fact that the game is even coded in a manner that someone could do something like what that poster was talking about with the AA gun is utterly ridiculous.
You will always encounter headshot scripters and wallhackers in FPS style games, thats unavoidable since those hacks are clientside, but one of the main purposed/advanteges of an MMO is being able to do a ton of the processing server side specifically so people CANT hack.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Cheapy was banned for posting porn
SWG > Aces High > WWIIOL
See that brought plenty of clarity right there. Definitely more understandable now.
Thank ye. XD
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
poor kid is gonna go blind and get carpel tunnel by the time he hits 30
I used to get 20mm AA guns on top of blown up buildings all the time. It was the best place to be as a 20mm flak.
So much crap, so little quality.
Cheapy?
He managed to get banned...again..!
Someone in an air squadron admitted to using a cheesy move to deny the other guy a kill. It's not an official exploit or cheating, but it's pretty embarrassing for the squad.
Because a mod was a member of that squad, he scrubbed the thread. I don't care who got banned for whatever else, that's pretty lame.
Yeah I posted it because there was absolutely no mention of this really strange physics bug. It was deleted though with no explanation.
Of course now it's against the TOS to push a 20mm flak to the top of a building; you get warnings from the GM for "clipping" even though you're sitting in plain view and to get there you do not pass through any barriers or colliders. It's also not like a light flak on a building is unrealistic or provides some kind of game-breaking advantage.
The whole thing is funny now that it's obvious how little testing the guys at CRS did and how little they know about their own game's code. They don't even know their own damage models or physics engine, they can't program some database and get player statistics up yet we'll still get a wall of text from Doc explaining how intricate the game is in some aspect.
A bit misleading seeing as most love the game but it is failing because of those things and not in spite of them.
I'm reasonably certain that there are no Chinese players playing this game.
Not anymore, but some hacks appeared for sale soon after the china project. I mean you can't just toss around the code like they did(apparently for little financial gain) without consequences.
It's no matter because players are using F2P accounts to spy even more now. Lone riflemen sitting out in the middle of nowhere on most attacks, looking at their map.
I was banned twice for posting in thrance's NO CHEATING GUIZ thread and then banned 5 times for posting porn in OT.
I was refering to the China project. Once the game launched there I'm sure it was open season on its code.
I hope it was good pron Cheapy.
The China Project had "FAIL" written all over it.
What a FN shame.
Those that had a negative viewpoint on china were held in the same regard as many pointing out "negative" issues here. "Xenophobia" And look where we are now.
http://kfsone.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/wwiiol-china/
SWG > Aces High > WWIIOL
Well gents, figured I would try and chime in here abit, first time posting here and some good reading as the discussions that have gone on good or bad, still give some insight on how players feel or like to see.
Wall of text to follow.
Appologies to mrcheapy if you may feel I am responding here to single you out, not the case as I need to start somewhere and figured this is as good as any to start off with.
Many of you know me ingame, been with this since day 1, and progressed through many of the different aspects that the game provided over the years, and yes even the frustration it can cause, just like any other game out there with the dynamics and human error that comes to play as a MMORPG.
And yes I am a RAT Assistaint Game Manager, or as some of you have called...a fake RAT, but thats ok...my heart belongs to the community and the efforts of the High Commands, and the company itself on what this game provides and what it can bring.
Now on topic.
To respond to the OP,
It needs to be cleared that when a game is published and its goal is to provide a true enviorment of being a player run game, such as Battleground Europe, and with the continued interaction of players needing to communicate with other players, ingame and out of game, there has to be a proper set of rules or ToS so that the community itself doesnt implode, and we have seen some very dramatic flame wars kick off, and due to some of the seriousness of some of those threads action would have to be taken so a player or players dont openly feel abused by others....sadly this does happen, due to the nature of the internet and or a players frustration.....hence why our Moderation teams, be it a side MOD or Forum MOD has to keep an eye on situation.
Now one of the requirments we have and ask to be enforced is that open posting of names of players whom others feel are cheating, exploiting , griefing etc etc is not allowed.....This is out of respect not only for the poster, but the accused, only because of the consequences that can happen. What we find is alot...and yes a large percentage of reports we follow are based mainly on perception by the player who thinks another is cheating and the issue was actually client side rendering, lag, player conection loss ,etc etc...there are many variables that could be involved.......and the end result was a player was openly and or wrongly accused and now has been smeared in the public forums and the accuser is now or could be looked at as a trouble maker, whiner etc etc....now to be honost, we do come across the player who is purpposly disrupting game play for others or a side useing various means, and this is a very small percentage, and also due to the nature of the beast, it does take some time to get those who are lucky enough to have yet to be caught....time will only tell.
With the reports we do get, and we get them in various ways,to include pms to us, emails or ingame reports, we have to make sure the report is accurate and not a report falsly accussing another out of rage or animosity, and this may take some time or sometimes it is confirmed immeadiatly and the proper action is taken....but the bottomline to that is, we have to confirm this with our own investigations with our resources and or Game Moderators so we are 100% sure an innocent player/customer is not wrongly recieveing a Ban, Warning or other action. Its not that we dont believe the reports, but we must take action to properly confirm due to how player perception can be and its proper customer service.
Now its understandable that some feel they may have been wronged, due to them recieveing a BAN or WARN within the forums or game for posting/chatting information about a possible cheat/cheater, exploiter or griefer. Especially when they feel they are helping the game. ( we do have a proper procedure for players to make reports for followup and investigating ) but sadly when even that player, even tho they may have good intentions, does this and continually recieves messages advising them to not do this, the end result may end in a TEMP BAN .
I know some here posting I have been involved with ingame and other actions out of game, and nothing is more frustrating from my experience is having to take appropriate action on another player, mainly because there are other means available and provided, now granted the player who made the report and community will most likely never see the end result or explanaition on why a certain action was taken, this is to help protect the player who violated ToS....some may not agree with this, but that is out of the best interest for all the customers.
I know some here will take what I am saying and possibly twist it because I am part of CRS..or a fake RAT S!, or just will not believe what is being said, thats ok as we must accept its just how things are and understand that sometimes you have better luck beating your head against a brick wall, and once again human nature.
I will stop here and take a rest S!, and if you got through that wall of text...huge respects to you S!
here you go lexfire
a player admitted it
Not trying to be problematic or insulting on what may appear to be obvious with the pic you posted, we have seen this and definantly frustrating to see, also our MODs , GMs AGMs have seen plenty of replies by players that purposly try and get a rise out of others by saying such things in replies, I am not saying you are wrong or right on this matter, just trying to give you a explanation ...and believe it or not things are looked into as we still need solid evidence other than a post due to that reason of it possibly being a player replying like a sarcastic ass.
Its tuff seriously, for any game out there to try and prove, as in this matter if its being done on purpose or a connection issue, as the player could respond saying that, and we have to take his word due to now there is no solid proof and some doubt until we can get something solid.
I dont want to sound like I am saying you dont know what you are talking about, or that we ignore such issues, and we would hope that more would believe what we try and put across on dealing with issues like this, but due to how perception is made, and being able to protect the customer, wrong or right, we have to follow a certain procedures.
This most likely is not the answer you wanted, and its not like I stated to belittle the issue you posted about.
can someone translate this
My Babel fish went insane trying to make heads or tails of it....
Lexfire is wrong. we have e-mailed, screen shotted, video recorded and even referenced stats for proof of cheaters (see Thief's method for figuring out plug pulling) for at least the 2+ some change years I've been flying in this game and not one f'n response or action was taken because of it. We have people who openly admit to pulling the plug and exploiting the timeout bug and still no action is taken. It's bad enough that CRS refuses to acknowledge this but what's even worse and the reason I am done with this game is that the community doesn't care. People who do this should be exiled from the game as they are a cancer on the community.
They play it off as accidentally ramming the ground or another airplane when in reality it was an advantageous and convenient way out of a situation where they were 99.9% gonna die. They claim "CTD" when they disconnect after dying. Or even worse they openly admit to either and still play this game. If CRS is really keeping them around for the money factor, I will gladly cancel that out by unsubbing myself, as I have.
First leak of at least a couple dozen from the mod forums. This one is in regards to cheating and how the GMs don't believe certain things are a TOS. Image is too large to post so please click.
More will be coming out. The next subject will be regarding Antwerp.
Dayum, did the mods delete your link that quick? I clicked it, refreshed page, and its gone.
The Deep Web is sca-ry.