Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by Fadeus Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by Fadeus Do yourself a favor and stop trying to defend the NGE.
Lol. You are saying that anyone who enjoys these changes, can't say they are good, because you have decided they are bad?
Nope, I was implying that the points he is using for defense are actually points I would use against the NGE.
However I think I came across abit harsh to ya with it Sidebuster, nothing personal. I am sorry if I offended you, I took it alittle personal when you started saying people were just stubborn about not wanting to give it another try.
So if I say that I think the game is more fun now than before the NGE. How does that make your points stronger?
I have no idea what your talking about and I think your trying to MAKE an arguement out of one that doesn't exhist because you don't like what I said.
Congratulations, you think it's more fun now. Enjoy the game your paying for.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by Fadeus Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by Fadeus Originally posted by Phoenixs Originally posted by Fadeus Do yourself a favor and stop trying to defend the NGE.
Lol. You are saying that anyone who enjoys these changes, can't say they are good, because you have decided they are bad?
Nope, I was implying that the points he is using for defense are actually points I would use against the NGE.
However I think I came across abit harsh to ya with it Sidebuster, nothing personal. I am sorry if I offended you, I took it alittle personal when you started saying people were just stubborn about not wanting to give it another try.
So if I say that I think the game is more fun now than before the NGE. How does that make your points stronger?
I have no idea what your talking about and I think your trying to MAKE an arguement out of one that doesn't exhist because you don't like what I said.
Congratulations, you think it's more fun now. Enjoy the game your paying for.
You said that all should stop defending the NGE. I asked why should I do that?
Thx. I'm not paying for it though. Using the 10 day trail. The game pre CU and after CU sucked so badly that I'm never going to pay for it. Because of the NGE it doesn't suck that much anymore so I got a game to play for 10 days.
[quote]Originally posted by Phoenixs You said that all should stop defending the NGE. I asked why should I do that?
Thx. I'm not paying for it though. Using the 10 day trail. The game pre CU and after CU sucked so badly that I'm never going to pay for it. Because of the NGE it doesn't suck that much anymore so I got a game to play for 10 days.[/b][/quote]
NO, again that is NOT what I said. Perhaps you need to work on your reading or attention skills? When you can actually accurately read what I have said THEN we can debate. Until then however stop posting at me with false accusations and misinformations.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by Phoenixs I understood "Do yourself a favor and stop trying to defend the NGE, everything you are using as an arguement only makes your arguement harder." As stop defending the NGE, your points only make my points stronger.
DAMN IT QUIT RUBBING IT IN! he was talking about me only. Which he was right. It is kinda funny now that I read my own post again. My arguments can be turned around so easily which they were.
And No I don't take offense because it was simpley true and you didn't add any words like noob or fanboi or cheese monkey.
Originally posted by Ragemaster Attention all players! I am a veteran SWG player, having played on and off since release way back in 03. I just wanted to let everyone new know, that all this DOOMSAYING propaganda you hear from players is completely UNTRUE. SWG is NOT dieing , in fact, the new NGE changes, while fundamentelly changing the gameplay of SWG, is for the BETTER. People, naturally, are afriad of change, and would rather stick to the 'old way'. SWG has changed its core game mechanics with the release of NGE or New Game Enhancements. While many people say nge sucks, there are many, including myself, a veteran, who cant believed i played the utter CRAP that is pre NGE. Combat is more fun and action packed, more strategy based, MORE star wars like. The old "take turns" shooting eachother back and forth (think eq with guns) was utter garb and not worthy of the star wars name. THINK ABOUT IT. Now combat is chaotic, unpredicitble, with lasers flying every which way and people going down in tremndous hail of fire. Seriously, how could you NOT like the NGE combat system? As for the jedi class, get a GRIP people. The only people complaining about jedi being a regular profession is those elitist few who had the profession and could wtfpwn most classes in the game 1 on 1. If you havnt learned already, ALPHA classes just dont work in a mmo. To help combat the alpha class, jedi, they made it take a 3-6 month grind to get it! THREE TO SIX MONTHS. Only middle schoolers or low life lamer adults who live in their parents basement could POSSIBLY take on this task and accomplish it with any reasonable amount of time. Devs knew that they couldnt have jedi be alpha anymore, and so changed it to a regular profession. Now casual gamers and average gamers can become jedi, and enjoy the fun of being one of star wars most mythical and legendary characters. The only doomsaying you will hear comes from the ELITIST few who are no longer "ALPHA DOG". As for 30 professions being cut down to 9, well it was needed! Trust me, I was master creature handler (what a joke) and master pistoleer. They removed the proffessions that were bug ridden, unbalanced, and utterely did not fit in star wars universe. No more rancor pets for us! This wanst ment to be pokeman galaxies anyway. SOE has made some bad changes throughout the course of galaxies, however, the choice to implement NGE is probably the best desicision they have EVER made. Nuff said.
I agree, i have played SWG since release, and the nge has definitly got me back into the game, i really like the changes, as well as most of my friends who play Combat is MUCH more fun, and i like how the proffessions work now, overall, its just alot more fun, which is why i play games..lol
Originally posted by sidebuster Originally posted by Phoenixs I understood "Do yourself a favor and stop trying to defend the NGE, everything you are using as an arguement only makes your arguement harder." As stop defending the NGE, your points only make my points stronger. DAMN IT QUIT RUBBING IT IN! he was talking about me only. Which he was right. It is kinda funny now that I read my own post again. My arguments can be turned around so easily which they were. And No I don't take offense because it was simpley true and you didn't add any words like noob or fanboi or cheese monkey.
Originally posted by sidebuster Originally posted by Phoenixs I understood "Do yourself a favor and stop trying to defend the NGE, everything you are using as an arguement only makes your arguement harder." As stop defending the NGE, your points only make my points stronger. DAMN IT QUIT RUBBING IT IN! he was talking about me only. Which he was right. It is kinda funny now that I read my own post again. My arguments can be turned around so easily which they were. And No I don't take offense because it was simpley true and you didn't add any words like noob or fanboi or cheese monkey.
Cheese Monkey?!!?!?!
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
How can you tell when it's a SOE employee, simple, they quote directly from SOE publications! Not to mention they left no gap, no true opinion expressed. It's like a sales pitch from a greasy haired used car salesman.
My personal favorite is regarding the Jedi. Sorry, the Jedi are complaining cuz they had to work for a long time to get it, as for the rest. Just those complaining cuz in the Star Wars environment, at this timeline is non-existent! Yes there were "force-sensitive", but no trained Jedi outside of Obi-Wan and Yoda, and they were both in exile, well hidden from Palpatine and Vadar.
But now they can attempt to suck more money out of people by trying to push "new strategy" guides at your local game centers. Seems the old ones aren't worth much.
Originally posted by MutantBeingX But now they can attempt to suck more money out of people by trying to push "new strategy" guides at your local game centers. Seems the old ones aren't worth much.
The strategy guides are done by Prima, not SOE. And most MMORPG strategy guides become worthless over time. There's been no less than four different City of Heroes guides - they now come in binders so you can just buy strategy guide expansions.
I realize you were just being facetious, but there's better ways to be a smart ass than to look like a dumb ass.
Originally posted by Reahreic SURE YET I CANT BE A PIKEMAN UNLESS I WAHT TO GO JEDI FUCK THIS I NEVER DID WANT TO BE A RANGED PROFF AND NOW I CANT USE PIKES NO THANKS
ALL COMBAT CLASSES CAN USE ALL WEAPONS. I JUST USED A PIKE AS A SMUGGLER JUST FINE.
Originally posted by Fadeus Gee, another brand new person to the site claiming to be a veteran SWG player. Who would have thought? BTW, paragraphs my friend, give them a try.
I am a new person to MMORPG.com, but I AM a veteran SWG player. Dont believe me? Look me up on Naritus, name Oiwik Kalmor. or go on the swg official forums and find some of my posts floating about in the Naritus galaxy board. Reg date is indeed 2003. If that doesnt satisfy you, i can link you a screenie of my veteran reward message when I get home from work.
Originally posted by Wakizashi The "true" fans like the original release version in short, because that is what they payed to play. Not any other versions of the game. Very glib interpretation yes, but any more complexity and it loses its focus.
Exactly, in my opinion it just isnt right to completely overhaul the game mechanics like this in an ongoing game. I personally devoted nearly three years of my life to the game as it was. Its not a matter of being afraid of change, but in these cases the changes should be more incremental than sweeping. If they were determined to do these things, as they clearly were, they should have made a new game. Clear and simple, I paid for one game and they turned it into another and this goes way beyond the disclaimer that "gameplay may change over time". This wasnt change this was a complete destruction of the game and insertion of a new kids version of the game.
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
If i am being honest, i dont know why many of you are complaining so much about the game. What is wrong with it i ask? i think that even after the change it is still a great mmorpg, i mean u can fly in space and shoot things, not many other rpgs allow this oh and the 9 profession thing isnt all bad, i mean the only really point in having so many different professions was for individuality, which yes you do definately need in an mmorpg but cmon! the 9 professions that are left are still great ones to have. So i hope that swg manages to hang on it has the potential for a gr8 game, SOE just needs to get it right.
If you fail to succeed, destroy all evidence that proved you tried!
Originally posted by Machin If i am being honest, i dont know why many of you are complaining so much about the game. What is wrong with it i ask? i think that even after the change it is still a great mmorpg, i mean u can fly in space and shoot things, not many other rpgs allow this oh and the 9 profession thing isnt all bad, i mean the only really point in having so many different professions was for individuality, which yes you do definately need in an mmorpg but cmon! the 9 professions that are left are still great ones to have. So i hope that swg manages to hang on it has the potential for a gr8 game, SOE just needs to get it right.
Some people play games to accumulate. Whether it be wealth, power, prestige, stuff, or whatever, they enjoy a game only so long as they are gaining something. When a big change hits, positive or negative, that stuff that they've accumulated's value changes, and if it goes down in any way (even moderately), it is a bad thing. Sometimes "nerfs", as they are called, are required for balance lest the system run into an out of control buff spiral (buffed Jedi, now have to buff Bounty Hunter, oh no, Jedi need to be buffed now). That's okay with them, but the loss of something they distinctly believe to be theirs, even if it is something as stupid as a pistol, is a travesty that cuts through to their very self image. It cuts deep and they just can't move on. It's really quite sad.
Some people play games to accumulate. Whether it be wealth, power, prestige, stuff, or whatever, they enjoy a game only so long as they are gaining something. When a big change hits, positive or negative, that stuff that they've accumulated's value changes, and if it goes down in any way (even moderately), it is a bad thing. Sometimes "nerfs", as they are called, are required for balance lest the system run into an out of control buff spiral (buffed Jedi, now have to buff Bounty Hunter, oh no, Jedi need to be buffed now). That's okay with them, but the loss of something they distinctly believe to be theirs, even if it is something as stupid as a pistol, is a travesty that cuts through to their very self image. It cuts deep and they just can't move on. It's really quite sad.
Originally posted by Machin If i am being honest, i dont know why many of you are complaining so much about the game. What is wrong with it i ask? i think that even after the change it is still a great mmorpg, i mean u can fly in space and shoot things, not many other rpgs allow this oh and the 9 profession thing isnt all bad, i mean the only really point in having so many different professions was for individuality, which yes you do definately need in an mmorpg but cmon! the 9 professions that are left are still great ones to have. So i hope that swg manages to hang on it has the potential for a gr8 game, SOE just needs to get it right.
Flying in space is cool, but the lack of the 'land' game concerns me. And I say lack because it is greatly decreased. No decay on everything for crafters, lack of efficent buffs for the entainers to hand out basicaly removes their reason to be there. Sure you can build ships and buildings, but since those don't decay it will only be a matter of time until those are gone as options as well. Meanwhle the interface really leaves much to be desired. I rather liked the old F# key system. It worked out well, a lot better then selecting the special move and then right clicking to make it work. The problem with combat was never with the interface, just ballance. And the NGE turns the ballance upside down suddenly the commando is king and the Jedi is a common class that gets killed in combat very easly. I tried both of them on the demo and the Commando can shoot his way out of everything while the Jedi is doomed to fighting everything at close range while everyone else shoots him or her. Utlimatly there are more problems then this, but since I just played the demo and then deleted it 24 hours later I could not go into depth about them at this time. Maybe in a few months when everything settles down I'll try again. And that means after they balance out the NGE, and after the servers get stablized (IE Rumors of Consolidation and Japanize servers shut down). Meanwhile I'll keep on reading the boards, checking out the news on it, but from what I have seen the NGE may not be the saving grace that many people thought it would be. <End of Late Night Rant>
"Some people play games to accumulate. Whether it be wealth, power, prestige, stuff, or whatever, they enjoy a game only so long as they are gaining something. When a big change hits, positive or negative, that stuff that they've accumulated's value changes, and if it goes down in any way (even moderately), it is a bad thing. Sometimes "nerfs", as they are called, are required for balance lest the system run into an out of control buff spiral (buffed Jedi, now have to buff Bounty Hunter, oh no, Jedi need to be buffed now). That's okay with them, but the loss of something they distinctly believe to be theirs, even if it is something as stupid as a pistol, is a travesty that cuts through to their very self image. It cuts deep and they just can't move on. It's really quite sad."
Well this may be true for some people but I wouldn't say it was the majority. I had so much time and energy invested in this game. I had a profession that I worked hard to attain and was proud of my accomplishment. I had weapons and resources that I had also worked to acquire. I had helped build a community, a cyber town with real people behind the avatars. People I cared about. But the thing that bound us all together was the love of Star Wars and the complexity of SWG. It may not have been a game for casual players or those with short attention spans. Maybe that is why it wasn't as successful as it could have been. IMO it was like chess is to checkers. Is checkers fun? Sure. Is chess more challenging? You bet.
SWG in it's orginal form had so much potential. Even after the CU the dream of what it could be was still there. With the NGE that dream is officially dead. It is now ordinary and mainstream. The only thing that makes it different is that it's Star Wars. Had they just fixed the original it could have been amazing. But they decided to use a band aid (CU) instead and the patient died. Now we have franken-SWG (NGE). The scope and depth is now gone. Were people bitching pre-CU, post-CU and post-NGE? Sure. Did they represent the feelings of most players? No. Could the game be better? Of course. Did most veterans feel the CU was the wrong solution? Yes. Did many go along with it? Yes. Whether you like the NGE or not it isn't the vision that was SWG. If you like the NGE then game on more power to you. But I for one can't get the love back after all that has happened. The lies, broken promises and the killing of the dream. Was SWG struggling? Yes. Could it have been prevented if they would have listened to their community? Possibly. This leads to the crux of why I believe many veterans are so disgusted. They love the game and many feel that if our ideas had been heeded things might have been different. Now we'll never know. /shrug /sigh
Originally posted by Jheron "Some people play games to accumulate. Whether it be wealth, power, prestige, stuff, or whatever, they enjoy a game only so long as they are gaining something. When a big change hits, positive or negative, that stuff that they've accumulated's value changes, and if it goes down in any way (even moderately), it is a bad thing. Sometimes "nerfs", as they are called, are required for balance lest the system run into an out of control buff spiral (buffed Jedi, now have to buff Bounty Hunter, oh no, Jedi need to be buffed now). That's okay with them, but the loss of something they distinctly believe to be theirs, even if it is something as stupid as a pistol, is a travesty that cuts through to their very self image. It cuts deep and they just can't move on. It's really quite sad." Well this may be true for some people but I wouldn't say it was the majority. I had so much time and energy invested in this game. I had a profession that I worked hard to attain and was proud of my accomplishment. I had weapons and resources that I had also worked to acquire. I had helped build a community, a cyber town with real people behind the avatars. People I cared about. But the thing that bound us all together was the love of Star Wars and the complexity of SWG. It may not have been a game for casual players or those with short attention spans. Maybe that is why it wasn't as successful as it could have been. IMO it was like chess is to checkers. Is checkers fun? Sure. Is chess more challenging? You bet. SWG in it's orginal form had so much potential. Even after the CU the dream of what it could be was still there. With the NGE that dream is officially dead. It is now ordinary and mainstream. The only thing that makes it different is that it's Star Wars. Had they just fixed the original it could have been amazing. But they decided to use a band aid (CU) instead and the patient died. Now we have franken-SWG (NGE). The scope and depth is now gone. Were people bitching pre-CU, post-CU and post-NGE? Sure. Did they represent the feelings of most players? No. Could the game be better? Of course. Did most veterans feel the CU was the wrong solution? Yes. Did many go along with it? Yes. Whether you like the NGE or not it isn't the vision that was SWG. If you like the NGE then game on more power to you. But I for one can't get the love back after all that has happened. The lies, broken promises and the killing of the dream. Was SWG struggling? Yes. Could it have been prevented if they would have listened to their community? Possibly. This leads to the crux of why I believe many veterans are so disgusted. They love the game and many feel that if our ideas had been heeded things might have been different. Now we'll never know. /shrug /sigh
Well said, it is as if they have coded away the very soul of the game. If they were determined to put out an online arcade game, they should have made it an entirely seperate game.
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
Originally posted by Ragemaster Attention all players! I am a veteran SWG player, having played on and off since release way back in 03. I just wanted to let everyone new know, that all this DOOMSAYING propaganda you hear from players is completely UNTRUE. SWG is NOT dieing , in fact, the new NGE changes, while fundamentelly changing the gameplay of SWG, is for the BETTER. People, naturally, are afriad of change, and would rather stick to the 'old way'. SWG has changed its core game mechanics with the release of NGE or New Game Enhancements. While many people say nge sucks, there are many, including myself, a veteran, who cant believed i played the utter CRAP that is pre NGE. Combat is more fun and action packed, more strategy based, MORE star wars like. The old "take turns" shooting eachother back and forth (think eq with guns) was utter garb and not worthy of the star wars name. THINK ABOUT IT. Now combat is chaotic, unpredicitble, with lasers flying every which way and people going down in tremndous hail of fire. Seriously, how could you NOT like the NGE combat system? As for the jedi class, get a GRIP people. The only people complaining about jedi being a regular profession is those elitist few who had the profession and could wtfpwn most classes in the game 1 on 1. If you havnt learned already, ALPHA classes just dont work in a mmo. To help combat the alpha class, jedi, they made it take a 3-6 month grind to get it! THREE TO SIX MONTHS. Only middle schoolers or low life lamer adults who live in their parents basement could POSSIBLY take on this task and accomplish it with any reasonable amount of time. Devs knew that they couldnt have jedi be alpha anymore, and so changed it to a regular profession. Now casual gamers and average gamers can become jedi, and enjoy the fun of being one of star wars most mythical and legendary characters. The only doomsaying you will hear comes from the ELITIST few who are no longer "ALPHA DOG". As for 30 professions being cut down to 9, well it was needed! Trust me, I was master creature handler (what a joke) and master pistoleer. They removed the proffessions that were bug ridden, unbalanced, and utterely did not fit in star wars universe. No more rancor pets for us! This wanst ment to be pokeman galaxies anyway. SOE has made some bad changes throughout the course of galaxies, however, the choice to implement NGE is probably the best desicision they have EVER made. Nuff said.
Well you got my attention with the first 3 words and then lost it with the rest of the rubbish you wrote.
Originally posted by admriker444 I might have suspected a SOE employee posting this except it was so poorly written. And sorry, but Im not buying your snake oil. Taking combat from dozens of specialized attack moves which required thought down to left mouse or right mouse is pretty dumbed down. SOE should change this to Battlefront 2.5 and mmorpg.com should remove it from the list. This game no longer qualifies as a mmorpg.
The new game seams to be geared to six year olds, maybe thats where soe thinks the money is, and that might explain the post being poorly written.
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Originally posted by Shayde
See, that's filled with misconceptions.
Yeah I know, some one already pointed that out so I am gonna shut my mouth about it for now on.
Lol. You are saying that anyone who enjoys these changes, can't say they are good, because you have decided they are bad?
Nope, I was implying that the points he is using for defense are actually points I would use against the NGE.
However I think I came across abit harsh to ya with it Sidebuster, nothing personal. I am sorry if I offended you, I took it alittle personal when you started saying people were just stubborn about not wanting to give it another try.
So if I say that I think the game is more fun now than before the NGE. How does that make your points stronger?
I have no idea what your talking about and I think your trying to MAKE an arguement out of one that doesn't exhist because you don't like what I said.
Congratulations, you think it's more fun now. Enjoy the game your paying for.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Lol. You are saying that anyone who enjoys these changes, can't say they are good, because you have decided they are bad?
Nope, I was implying that the points he is using for defense are actually points I would use against the NGE.
However I think I came across abit harsh to ya with it Sidebuster, nothing personal. I am sorry if I offended you, I took it alittle personal when you started saying people were just stubborn about not wanting to give it another try.
So if I say that I think the game is more fun now than before the NGE. How does that make your points stronger?
I have no idea what your talking about and I think your trying to MAKE an arguement out of one that doesn't exhist because you don't like what I said.
Congratulations, you think it's more fun now. Enjoy the game your paying for.
You said that all should stop defending the NGE. I asked why should I do that?
Thx. I'm not paying for it though. Using the 10 day trail. The game pre CU and after CU sucked so badly that I'm never going to pay for it. Because of the NGE it doesn't suck that much anymore so I got a game to play for 10 days.
[quote]Originally posted by Phoenixs
You said that all should stop defending the NGE. I asked why should I do that?
Thx. I'm not paying for it though. Using the 10 day trail. The game pre CU and after CU sucked so badly that I'm never going to pay for it. Because of the NGE it doesn't suck that much anymore so I got a game to play for 10 days.[/b][/quote]
NO, again that is NOT what I said. Perhaps you need to work on your reading or attention skills? When you can actually accurately read what I have said THEN we can debate. Until then however stop posting at me with false accusations and misinformations.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I understood "Do yourself a favor and stop trying to defend the NGE, everything you are using as an arguement only makes your arguement harder."
As stop defending the NGE, your points only make my points stronger.
DAMN IT QUIT RUBBING IT IN! he was talking about me only. Which he was right. It is kinda funny now that I read my own post again. My arguments can be turned around so easily which they were.
And No I don't take offense because it was simpley true and you didn't add any words like noob or fanboi or cheese monkey.
I agree, i have played SWG since release, and the nge has definitly got me back into the game, i really like the changes, as well as most of my friends who play
Combat is MUCH more fun, and i like how the proffessions work now, overall, its just alot more fun, which is why i play games..lol
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Then I understood it wrong.
Cheese Monkey?!!?!?!
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
How can you tell when it's a SOE employee, simple, they quote directly from SOE publications! Not to mention they left no gap, no true opinion expressed. It's like a sales pitch from a greasy haired used car salesman.
My personal favorite is regarding the Jedi. Sorry, the Jedi are complaining cuz they had to work for a long time to get it, as for the rest. Just those complaining cuz in the Star Wars environment, at this timeline is non-existent! Yes there were "force-sensitive", but no trained Jedi outside of Obi-Wan and Yoda, and they were both in exile, well hidden from Palpatine and Vadar.
But now they can attempt to suck more money out of people by trying to push "new strategy" guides at your local game centers. Seems the old ones aren't worth much.
I realize you were just being facetious, but there's better ways to be a smart ass than to look like a dumb ass.
SURE YET I CANT BE A PIKEMAN UNLESS I WAHT TO GO JEDI FUCK THIS I NEVER DID WANT TO BE A RANGED PROFF AND NOW I CANT USE PIKES NO THANKS
ALL COMBAT CLASSES CAN USE ALL WEAPONS. I JUST USED A PIKE AS A SMUGGLER JUST FINE.
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
If i am being honest, i dont know why many of you are complaining so much about the game. What is wrong with it i ask? i think that even after the change it is still a great mmorpg, i mean u can fly in space and shoot things, not many other rpgs allow this
oh and the 9 profession thing isnt all bad, i mean the only really point in having so many different professions was for individuality, which yes you do definately need in an mmorpg but cmon! the 9 professions that are left are still great ones to have. So i hope that swg manages to hang on it has the potential for a gr8 game, SOE just needs to get it right.
If you fail to succeed, destroy all evidence that proved you tried!
Flying in space is cool, but the lack of the 'land' game concerns me. And I say lack because it is greatly decreased. No decay on everything for crafters, lack of efficent buffs for the entainers to hand out basicaly removes their reason to be there. Sure you can build ships and buildings, but since those don't decay it will only be a matter of time until those are gone as options as well. Meanwhle the interface really leaves much to be desired. I rather liked the old F# key system. It worked out well, a lot better then selecting the special move and then right clicking to make it work. The problem with combat was never with the interface, just ballance. And the NGE turns the ballance upside down suddenly the commando is king and the Jedi is a common class that gets killed in combat very easly. I tried both of them on the demo and the Commando can shoot his way out of everything while the Jedi is doomed to fighting everything at close range while everyone else shoots him or her. Utlimatly there are more problems then this, but since I just played the demo and then deleted it 24 hours later I could not go into depth about them at this time. Maybe in a few months when everything settles down I'll try again. And that means after they balance out the NGE, and after the servers get stablized (IE Rumors of Consolidation and Japanize servers shut down). Meanwhile I'll keep on reading the boards, checking out the news on it, but from what I have seen the NGE may not be the saving grace that many people thought it would be. <End of Late Night Rant>
"Some people play games to accumulate. Whether it be wealth, power, prestige, stuff, or whatever, they enjoy a game only so long as they are gaining something. When a big change hits, positive or negative, that stuff that they've accumulated's value changes, and if it goes down in any way (even moderately), it is a bad thing. Sometimes "nerfs", as they are called, are required for balance lest the system run into an out of control buff spiral (buffed Jedi, now have to buff Bounty Hunter, oh no, Jedi need to be buffed now). That's okay with them, but the loss of something they distinctly believe to be theirs, even if it is something as stupid as a pistol, is a travesty that cuts through to their very self image. It cuts deep and they just can't move on. It's really quite sad."
Well this may be true for some people but I wouldn't say it was the majority. I had so much time and energy invested in this game. I had a profession that I worked hard to attain and was proud of my accomplishment. I had weapons and resources that I had also worked to acquire. I had helped build a community, a cyber town with real people behind the avatars. People I cared about. But the thing that bound us all together was the love of Star Wars and the complexity of SWG. It may not have been a game for casual players or those with short attention spans. Maybe that is why it wasn't as successful as it could have been. IMO it was like chess is to checkers. Is checkers fun? Sure. Is chess more challenging? You bet.
SWG in it's orginal form had so much potential. Even after the CU the dream of what it could be was still there. With the NGE that dream is officially dead. It is now ordinary and mainstream. The only thing that makes it different is that it's Star Wars. Had they just fixed the original it could have been amazing. But they decided to use a band aid (CU) instead and the patient died. Now we have franken-SWG (NGE). The scope and depth is now gone. Were people bitching pre-CU, post-CU and post-NGE? Sure. Did they represent the feelings of most players? No. Could the game be better? Of course. Did most veterans feel the CU was the wrong solution? Yes. Did many go along with it? Yes. Whether you like the NGE or not it isn't the vision that was SWG. If you like the NGE then game on more power to you. But I for one can't get the love back after all that has happened. The lies, broken promises and the killing of the dream. Was SWG struggling? Yes. Could it have been prevented if they would have listened to their community? Possibly. This leads to the crux of why I believe many veterans are so disgusted. They love the game and many feel that if our ideas had been heeded things might have been different. Now we'll never know. /shrug /sigh
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
Well you got my attention with the first 3 words and then lost it with the rest of the rubbish you wrote.
SOE = NGE = Death of SWG
Simple as, nuff said.
Former Mayor of Genesis City, Lok
Farstar Server
The new game seams to be geared to six year olds, maybe thats where soe thinks the money is, and that might explain the post being poorly written.
Ebe ------ SWG -- ShadowFire -- Closed
Ann ----- SWG -- ShadowFire -- Closed
Zoo'xu -- SWG -- ShadowFire -- Closed
If you want to read a well written review of the NGE then check this out:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=36175