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I want to back the project, but..
Arathir86
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I have been burned on numerous occasions by other projects and beta opt-ins, that I don't feel comfortable forking over part of my fortnightly earnings on a game with little to no proof-of-concept.
I'd gladly hand over $180 if It meant I could see my dollars at work and provide constructive feedback in the development process, I would even take pride in the opportunity to do so If given the chance, since I am Indie Game Developer myself who is still struggling with getting the business side of things set up. But unfortunately it seems there are no more Internal Testing pledge Tiers available.
And that is why I wont be backing this project, because while I believe in the team behind it, I won't find myself being burned again.
I'm sure this will come across as egotistical to some whom think that without me such project would be worse off somehow, but that is far from my sentiments and I hope that I don't come across as such with this post.
I could take the 'wait and see' approach like many of you have, and I applaud you for your faith in CSE for, but If the difference of being able to see my dollars at work and being able to actively offer feedback and testing to a genre of gaming I love is only $5, then I would rather not risk my money at all and hope for the best on the project.
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Just as a matter of consistency, and to not show favoritism, shouldn't the MMORPG mods be locking, and asking people to post negative threads about the kickstarter under the kickstarter stickied topic as well?
Everytime someone makes a positive thread about the kickstarter it's locked immediately, and told to post in that other thread.
Would just like to see the same treatment.
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Every little bit counts. If you are really interested, at least think about putting in $25, you get a copy of the game and access to the backer forums.
Also, MJ has said multiple times that active users on the backer forums will have opportunities to get involved in testing.
"For those who want Internal Access it will be relatively simply. Once this game funds participate in our forums. Help us by suggesting things, taking part in polite debate and show us that you are willing to spend the time to help us make Camelot Unchained great. If you can do that, Internal Testing will be waiting for you, I promise."
"Grab whatever tier you love and show us on our forums that you can be helpful to us and you will be able to earn IT access."
I've seen this done in countless threads in years past. This is not some conspiracy to downtrod CU. This site is very inconsistent about everything. I've been banned for stuff when there been times I've done way more "trolling" and nothing happens. Negative threads spur up in every game and really the negativity is VERY light compared to SWTOR and GW2 went through.
And yes the site is a bit biased but that is applied to any game where the mod feels something for the game, like my banning. Because I got into a pissing contest with a Neverwinter advocate after I was provoked where the provoker got nothing, maybe a wee warning, and I got a banned by a mod who was an advocate for Neverwinter.
People like to make scapegoats of why, by the looks of things, their project is failing or is massively underperforming. Human error is the last thing to blame.
@OP well if you put in $180 then you will be involved with the development of the game.. You get in at a very very early stage.
"This is the pledge tier for the player whose primary focus is getting into the game before it’s even a game, and who is excited by helping us test the really boring stuff. Please only choose this tier if you are able to spend time testing, are willing to write detailed bug reports, are willing and able to sign a Non-disclosure Agreement (NDA) and not employed by or working for another company that creates games. You receive all the Warrior rewards and THESE UPGRADES: YOUR FORUM BADGE WILL BE UPGRADED TO DRAGONIUM + INTERNAL TESTING ACCESS + FOUNDER’S DISCOUNT OF 7%. You will also receive a very special "BUG SLAYER" TITLE AND TROPHY. WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REMOVE EARLY ACCESS/BADGES from any backer(s) who don’t meet all of these criteria and change their access to Alpha Testing and/or downgrade their badge with no refund of the pledge tier. Estimated delivery of Internal Testing Access: January 2014."
EDIT: AH now i see that tier sold out.. well it was very limited from the start.. the $250 gets lets you test in aug the same year.
Will you get burnt? well possibly the game is a few years off yet and even that early stage of testing does not start until next year...
I like what MJ is saying he has some amazing ideas but i also know the during a game development process things can change.. but saying that he does not have some big publisher kicking him up the arse trying to get the game out the door as quick as possible..
At the end of the day its your money if you dont want to risk it then dont.. its totally up to you
That makes no sense at all. Because you waited too long to get one of the $180 limited tier that has been announced to be serverely limited since the Kickstarter went live, you won't donate at all? You do realize the only difference between being in the IT tier and an alpha tier is in the IT tier you get to stress test the login process, the graphics engine, and other not very exciting parts of the game? It's not going to be a place where you actually are playing a game and giving feedback on classes, progression, crafting, etc. Any backer regardless of tier is going to get access to the backers' forum where you can give input to the devs. If you really like the game concept and would have donated $180 to it if that tier wasn't sold out and aren't just trolling us, then you should buy one of the other tiers that has not sold out because you will get the same chance to give your thoughts that you would have gotten from the IT tier.
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That does come off rather selfish and self serving. Let me ask you? What harm would it been to lower your pledge so at least you can feel that you did "try" to support a project you yourself said you believe in? You state that you are a indie dev yourself so you should know that even a small amount goes a long way. And just to be fully honest I have not backed CU. But I am curious to see if a idea of this caliber can make it even if MJ has stated there is no place for my gaming style. It just seems counterproductive for you personally to stand on the sideline just because you failed to catch the pledge level you were hoping for.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
to be honest if that is not picked up withen the next 30 mins i will take it
Wohooo.... It is still open. He must be fast to Get it, or perhaps he need a bit more confirmation like if his ideas will be implemented in the game or not etc.....
just something to note for the OP
"MJ Notes: This is easily the most controversial of all tiers because of its Internal Testing status. I cannot stress enough how I hope that we will not sell this tier out and that even if we do, it won’t be repeated because of my fear that we will have some people who will buy this access just to play and not to test. That is why this tier is limited to 500 and why I’ve tried to discourage people from signing up for it."
Not a Troll.
But thank you for pointing out that a spot had opened up! ^_^
And again, I know my initial post must have sounded selfish, but you have to realise I am doing this for myself and as much as I am for CSE & MJ's Team. The one thing I have learned about the Game Industry is that getting the experience, let alone your foot in the door, is the hardest part to getting a career in making games.
So I hope you understand why this is the Tier I was interested in the most, and not any others...
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Haha, im an Artist/Designer/DeskJockey.
I leave the coding to the genuises, I'm just the guy who tells the programmers "It's broken again!" while I'm busy making stuff look pretty...
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WOOOOO well done thanks good to have you on board
, if you got some free time go check out the Comments section it's basically a chat room 
Like i mentionned in the about same exact thread just next to this one :
i really think mmos should all be Niche. mmoprg players ask for so many different things, that besides WoW, wich is the exception, we cannot honestly expect to have everything everyone is expecting from an mmoprg. But since WoW had/has so much success, it falsely became a "standard objective" as well.
Just to mention a few specific subjects that even among CU fans is very debated :
- CC (duration, style of CC etc)
- archers
- stealth
- numbers of classes
- PvP only
- lack of PvE
each of those subjects will have an impact on how may backers / players CU ends up having.
most mmorpg players are the worst kind of players, we have very specific things that if they're or they're not in a game, we simply wont play it. we keep asking for a mmorpg that really fits our needs, but our needs are so specific that no mmorpg can actually offer everything we want.
So...all mmorpgs should be niche, and we should, as players, ask less from one single mmorpg, because frankly we will never have EXACTLY what we want it in a one game only.
So, as far as i am concerned, CU is the closest thing i want from an mmo, not EXACTLY, but close enough for me to pledge, to participate the best i can in its evolution / creation.
If i wait to have the EXACT mmo i want, i'll end up not playing any until i die most likely.
I wont say pledge, i wont say dont pledge, to anyone. but pledge if CU sounds good enough for you to give it a chance, because waiting on the perfect one now THAT would be a waste.
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Excellent was glad to help
This is the tier I am pledged to as well!
Yep, glad everything worked out.
I've never pledged money to a kickstarter, but to me... this one is a no-brainer if you're into the kickstarter thingee.