"the glass is too big"

itchmon · April 2013

the title is refering to the third option to the glass-partially-full deal. the pessimist sees the glass half empty; the optimist sees it half full. but the realist says "the glass is too big".

this is my opinion of the CU kickstarter... which btw i have backed at the 25 buck level.

i've heard many reasons as to why it will, or wont hit its goal. could it just be that the 2 million goal was too lofty? we'd already be above a 1.5million goal; and even lord british set his goal at 1m. perhaps if the goal were 1m we would have already gotten 2m... because people might not be pledging if they see the goal is unlikely to be reached.

kickstarter and crowd funding are so new, that people have not yet found the way that their expectations actually affect the outcomes... i bet someone with a math-ish brain (perhaps with a psychology degree...) will figure it out soon though.

i still hope it'll pass.....

skyexile · April 2013

1.8m should come in easily in the next 2 days...but 2m it gonna be hard...shes building momentum though.

redcapp · April 2013

Yeah, I've mentioned this a number of times. I still think they would have been better off asking for a lower initial amount and then continuing to raise funds via stretch goals over the duration of the game's development. If it has alreay raised as much as it has, it would definitely have continued to exceed 2m over time. As it stands now, if it does not fund it goes nowhere. That said, I'm not really sure one way or the other; if the game does get a surge like many other projects have in the past it will be fine.

skyexile · April 2013

Originally posted by redcapp
Yeah, I've mentioned this a number of times. I still think they would have been better off asking for a lower initial amount and then continuing to raise funds via stretch goals over the duration of the game's development. If it has alreay raised as much as it has, it would definitely have continued to exceed 2m over time. As it stands now, if it does not fund it goes nowhere. That said, I'm not really sure one way or the other; if the game does get a surge like many other projects have in the past it will be fine.

Yea i agree, i think people might be wary of pledging a project that may not reach its goal because they think they will loose they're money or something...not fully understanding kickstarter.

Popori · April 2013

I think pass or fail the kickstarter did a good job of gauging the potential market for the game. Perhaps try again when more concrete information is available instead of the current "give us money as we pull stuff out of thin air" method going on now.

If this kickstarter not passing is enough for MJ and crew to scrap the whole idea when they're just shy of the goal than perhaps it isn't worth enough to invest in on my side.

Raising 75% + of your (rather large) goal with so little information should be enough motive to continue working on the project for a few more months and renew the campaign when there is more meat to it.

time007 · April 2013

Yeah I feel the same way. They should have just gone with 1 - 1.5 million. Its too bad now, because who knows if it will get funded at 2 mill. I wonder if 2 mill was the bare minimum they needed, it must have been or they wouldn't have done it.

But if 2 mill is above the minimum they needed they should have just made it a stretch goal instead of the starting figure. But yeah i agree with the OP, make it 1 mill or 1.5 mill.

Lawtoween · April 2013

Originally posted by redcapp
Yeah, I've mentioned this a number of times. I still think they would have been better off asking for a lower initial amount and then continuing to raise funds via stretch goals over the duration of the game's development. If it has alreay raised as much as it has, it would definitely have continued to exceed 2m over time. As it stands now, if it does not fund it goes nowhere. That said, I'm not really sure one way or the other; if the game does get a surge like many other projects have in the past it will be fine.

This is my first kickstarter, so I am learning as we go. It was my impression that after the 30 days, pledging is over, no more, cease, desist, all done. Is that not the case? Or by development, are you only referring to the kickstarter phase?

Popori · April 2013

Originally posted by Lawtoween
Originally posted by redcapp
Yeah, I've mentioned this a number of times. I still think they would have been better off asking for a lower initial amount and then continuing to raise funds via stretch goals over the duration of the game's development. If it has alreay raised as much as it has, it would definitely have continued to exceed 2m over time. As it stands now, if it does not fund it goes nowhere. That said, I'm not really sure one way or the other; if the game does get a surge like many other projects have in the past it will be fine.

This is my first kickstarter, so I am learning as we go. It was my impression that after the 30 days, pledging is over, no more, cease, desist, all done. Is that not the case? Or by development, are you only referring to the kickstarter phase?

After a successful kickstarter a lot of devs still accept paypal or 'pledge boosts' through kickstarter. You have to reach your goal on KS, but after the deadline you can still accept money off the record so to speak.

Tuktz · April 2013

Three days is still a lot of time to go from 83% to 100%. I still think it'll make it. Heck if all backers pledged another measley 30$ it would fund.

waynejr2 · April 2013

Originally posted by itchmon
the title is refering to the third option to the glass-partially-full deal. the pessimist sees the glass half empty; the optimist sees it half full. but the realist says "the glass is too big".

this is my opinion of the CU kickstarter... which btw i have backed at the 25 buck level.

i've heard many reasons as to why it will, or wont hit its goal. could it just be that the 2 million goal was too lofty? we'd already be above a 1.5million goal; and even lord british set his goal at 1m. perhaps if the goal were 1m we would have already gotten 2m... because people might not be pledging if they see the goal is unlikely to be reached.

kickstarter and crowd funding are so new, that people have not yet found the way that their expectations actually affect the outcomes... i bet someone with a math-ish brain (perhaps with a psychology degree...) will figure it out soon though.

i still hope it'll pass.....

George Carlin said the glass is too big. The glass is full is the realist answer.

skyexile · April 2013

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by itchmon the title is refering to the third option to the glass-partially-full deal. the pessimist sees the glass half empty; the optimist sees it half full. but the realist says "the glass is too big". this is my opinion of the CU kickstarter... which btw i have backed at the 25 buck level. i've heard many reasons as to why it will, or wont hit its goal. could it just be that the 2 million goal was too lofty? we'd already be above a 1.5million goal; and even lord british set his goal at 1m. perhaps if the goal were 1m we would have already gotten 2m... because people might not be pledging if they see the goal is unlikely to be reached. kickstarter and crowd funding are so new, that people have not yet found the way that their expectations actually affect the outcomes... i bet someone with a math-ish brain (perhaps with a psychology degree...) will figure it out soon though. i still hope it'll pass.....

George Carlin said the glass is too big. The glass is full is the realist answer.

while you're arguing about if the glass if half full, half empty, too big or too small, i took your glass of water. [mod edit]

redcapp · April 2013

Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by itchmon
the title is refering to the third option to the glass-partially-full deal. the pessimist sees the glass half empty; the optimist sees it half full. but the realist says "the glass is too big".

this is my opinion of the CU kickstarter... which btw i have backed at the 25 buck level.

i've heard many reasons as to why it will, or wont hit its goal. could it just be that the 2 million goal was too lofty? we'd already be above a 1.5million goal; and even lord british set his goal at 1m. perhaps if the goal were 1m we would have already gotten 2m... because people might not be pledging if they see the goal is unlikely to be reached.

kickstarter and crowd funding are so new, that people have not yet found the way that their expectations actually affect the outcomes... i bet someone with a math-ish brain (perhaps with a psychology degree...) will figure it out soon though.

i still hope it'll pass.....

George Carlin said the glass is too big. The glass is full is the realist answer.

The glass is mostly empty, regardless of the gases and fluids within.

tropik · April 2013

Kickstarters have huge peaks on the first and last day so i'm thinking it will pass. It says on the kickstarter page that 81% of projects that raised more than 20% of their goal were successfully funded.

Duvall_Lobo · April 2013

There is always that pest 19%. It will be close.

skyexile · April 2013

wtf 20k already not even 2 hours into today with only 33 backers, do the maths.

meddyck · April 2013

I too believe it would have been done even better at a lower funding goal with more stretch goals. People would have gotten excited when it funded and those on the fence would have wanted to get in on the action once they knew the game was going to happen. Still it has a good chance of funding anyway, so there's not much point in debating what ifs yet.

Myrdynn · April 2013

if its close, I am sure some "insider" can kick it over and they can recop it via after funding

Zinzan · April 2013

Originally posted by skyexile
wtf 20k already not even 2 hours into today with only 33 backers, do the maths.

All the high tier pledges are taken, you do the math and tell us how many actual people need to pledge at the lower tiers to hit the target?

Unknown · April 2013

Originally posted by Zinzan
Originally posted by skyexile
wtf 20k already not even 2 hours into today with only 33 backers, do the maths.

All the high tier pledges are taken, you do the math and tell us how many actual people need to pledge at the lower tiers to hit the target?

I think it's more than five.

SpottyGekko · April 2013

Originally posted by Zinzan
Originally posted by skyexile
wtf 20k already not even 2 hours into today with only 33 backers, do the maths.

All the high tier pledges are taken, you do the math and tell us how many actual people need to pledge at the lower tiers to hit the target?

The top 4 tiers were all 100% sold, but then a new tier suddenly opened at $3,251. And 5 out of the 10 spots in that tier were sold within hours of the tier opening.

I don't really know the KS rules, but it appears that new tiers can be added when needed, so there's no danger of the top tiers being "sold-out" unless MJ wants them to be so.

Ziftylrhavic · April 2013

Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by Zinzan
Originally posted by skyexile
wtf 20k already not even 2 hours into today with only 33 backers, do the maths.

All the high tier pledges are taken, you do the math and tell us how many actual people need to pledge at the lower tiers to hit the target?

The top 4 tiers were all 100% sold, but then a new tier suddenly opened at $3,251. And 5 out of the 10 spots in that tier were sold within hours of the tier opening.

I don't really know the KS rules, but it appears that new tiers can be added when needed, so there's no danger of the top tiers being "sold-out" unless MJ wants them to be so.

Regardless of what tier is still available, you can give $10 000 (which i believe is the maximum you can pledge) and take the $5 tier.

Is the glass half full or half empty? It depend on the situation. If you are filling it it's half full, if you are drinking it it's half empty.

Kyleran · April 2013

Originally posted by skyexile

Originally posted by redcapp
Yeah, I've mentioned this a number of times. I still think they would have been better off asking for a lower initial amount and then continuing to raise funds via stretch goals over the duration of the game's development. If it has alreay raised as much as it has, it would definitely have continued to exceed 2m over time. As it stands now, if it does not fund it goes nowhere. That said, I'm not really sure one way or the other; if the game does get a surge like many other projects have in the past it will be fine.

Yea i agree, i think people might be wary of pledging a project that may not reach its goal because they think they will loose they're money or something...not fully understanding kickstarter.

I realize it's somewhat self defeating, but I'm in this category, not because I'm concerned that I'll lose money (you should never pledge what you can't afford to lose) rather I'm just not going to spend the time (however small) to go through the process of pledging if, as you said, it's not likely to fund.

Couple that with the fact I'm really only considering supporting the game based on the fact I like the principles behind this sort of user funded effort, and am not in fact all that excited about the actual game due to some of it's core design features.

So sure, if it's close, I'll toss in some cash in the final day or so to help out, but otherwise I'll sit it out.

Daizedd · April 2013

OP says: "The glass is too big"

Nope, its just right...

See you on the backers forums if you backed, cuz this baby's gonna fund.

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