Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
WOW is a clone.
This discussion has been closed.
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Comments
Even though he and you didn't even mention PSO and neither does this website , lol . noobs.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
Believe that if you want. Sine WoW several characteristics of MMOs have changed.
WoW is the most succesful MMO to date, and the reference for all future MMOs.
Blizzard had huge fanbase, but their fanbase was not used to pay monthly fee. So their archivement is historical, and will probably never be surpassed.
Deal with it.
I thought Doom was a sequel in alt universe. Same for C&C, they just didn't nail the franchise thing back then but did some new assets too...
It is a tried-and-true.
Ever notice all you need is a sizable fanbase (any title works, as long as there's enough fans), and creating emotional responses is just that easy?
^^This
^ this
now these players stick to wow becouse other, new mmos are too hard dont have addons that do everything for them (like more action based combat where you need to look around your character and not to look at different numbers on your screen)
While that is true, you should not underestimate the facts, that WoW was pretty much the first game, where it all fitet together.
For me, WoW always had - compared to other MMOs from that time - an excellent software quality.
The game itself was never really for me, my max char is 55 i think, but it was always technically a nice game.
The other MMOs from that time ran pretty choppy ..
WoW copied a lot of stuff from other MMOs. But WoW copied from everywhere not just EQ. They made a much more compelling package than any of the MMOs before WoW. The vast majority of WoW features were improved significantly or have been changed radically. It's not just a blind copy paste. WoW did this brilliantly.
And please point me to one MMO which had a way to level solely through quests? Give me one example! WoW had unique quests each with its own story and the game had thousands of them AT LAUNCH! No other MMO had that. Also I don't think any MMO had talent trees. Although talent trees are copied from Diablo. However, DIablo is a Blizzard game so I guess it was their idea in the first place.
WoW had a seamless world. Correct me if I am wrong but EQ was anything but seamless. WoW made leveling to max level solo on ANY class viable. Rested xp bonus was completely new I think.
If we want to argue about clones, EQ is a clone of RPGs as every single concept in that game is taken from singleplayer/multiplayer RPGs.
WoW was light years ahead of its generation in terms of polish and the smoothness of its engine. I mean EQ series have always run like crap. EQ2 was horrendous! EQ2 and EQ1 starting copying ideas from WoW after its success hehe.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
City of Heroes.
(not really dipping a toe into the direction of your argument, but there were a lot of MMOs rolling out within the same ~2 year-ish period that were heavy on quest content. At least one (CoX) beat wow to press.)
Didn't EQ2 beat wow out of the gate (by a week or so) too?
First, that's a classy comeback, so kudos.
Second, I think you might be right. I guess we tend to say WOW walked in the footsteps of EQ, because among the then reigning MMO models, it was probably closest to EQ instead of UO, DAOC or AC. But it did draw from those games, too. Especially in terms of usabilty, UI, etc, I can't help but see some DAOC and AC2 influence.
Though in the end, while WOW was not exactly a beacon of originality, it'd be going too far to call it a clone. I know I went from those other games to WOW, and it didn't feel like one at all.
Games were released at roughly the same time. How many of city of heroes quests were repeatable>?
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
CoH pre-dated WoW by about 6 months. And all of them.
CoH was the first game I can remember "capping out" a toon on a entirely-solo basis.
Caveat due to imprecise language:
"Repeatable quests"--as used in the early state of MMOs (as in 'repeatable via alts'). Standard to both Vanilla WoW and CoH (and many others)
"Repeatable quests"--as in Dailies? Didn't truly begin appearing in MMOs until ~2007, give or take. Bit earlier if you count the Scourgestones variety (not truly 'dailies' in the modern sense.) Blizzard dailies (aka quest-reward welfare) first appeared toward the end of BC.
WoW beat EQ2 because EQ2 was terrible at launch, and most peoples computers couldn't handle it (hell, it still runs bad thanks to poor design choices, putting everything on the processor). WoW on the other hand was optimised for mid to low end computers and was in a much better state than EQ2.
EQ2 was also a fairly brutal game at launch. You couldn't level past 15 without a group, which deterred a lot of casuals. And there was a harsh death penalty (corpse runs and heavy XP loss).
The game has come a long way since launch, but it wasn't really a great game until just before the Desert of Flames launched.
And Everquest had a lot of players very unhappy with SOE at the time. The intention to split their player base into two games could not have come at a worse time.
I'm certain that if anyone in the industry had reliably predicted the Behemoth, SOE would have done several things very differently in this general time period.
2nd game curse, really. (Not 'second game', technically...Sequel Curse? A lot of studios don't survive their sequel mmos.)
Now search-and-replace EQ with "Doughnut" and WoW with "Donut", for a lesson in evolution of language.
MMOs descended from DIKU MUD.
Have you ever wondered why WoW quest givers have a yellow '!' over their heads?
Yep, DIKU MUD.
Where did corpse runs come from?
Skills, classes, auto attack, on and on, all started with DikuMUD. And the DIKU people probably borrowed heavily from earlier MUDs.
I find it difficult to believe that 'questgivers', in any MUD, had anything over their heads...given that they were text descriptions rather than models.
But whatev. MMOs owe a lot to MUDs, and to single-player games, and to MPBT and AOL and GEnie.
Rather not 'clones', in any reasonable sense of the word.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/QuestGiver
So that explains it. WOW gave the players what they wanted and EQ had a bad group of devs who didn't know their head from a hole in the wall. I do admit that WOW did give the players what they wanted and they did have millions of dollars to pour into the project. And yes the old text based muds heavily influenced the current mmorpg world. A lot of the old DIKU commands are in WOW and EQ. "who" is what you typed to see who was currently playing. "where" typed to see who was in your current area. Emotes were the bread and butter of the DIKU world. The sad thing is I could spend years playing those old text based games and I haven't found a mmorpg that can hold my attention for over three months. Some of those old games also had dailies, pvp gear, quest gear. They were excellent works.
Are you talking about the same Vanilla WoW I played?
Philosophy of MMO Game Design