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Cryptic proves there is gaming niche for everything.
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Just like there are millions of fans of Beiber, Niki Minaj and Ke$ha.
Make flashy graphics, excessive pay 2 win cash shop, 'cool' animations with a "play for free tag" and you'll see countless users paying $200 tag because it'd advertised as D&D franchise(which is so far away from actual D&D it might as well be COD, they bought a license though 
). Embrace the exploiters who ruin the economy in 3 easy steps(nvm, 'punish' them with 48 hour ban), because some of those are still paying customers and leave the game to casuals because they're level 23 and they don't see how economy is relevent to the game. "I can aqcuire anything in the game without paying" is their most likely line of defense. They don't realise the faulty logic in that.
Slap the "open beta" tag so whichever screw-ups happen they always blame it on beta status. Never mind that "open-beta" tag is completely meaningless in F2P, once they introduce no wipe and payment models. They can name it "soft-closed-omega-pi" that wouldn't change a thing. It's nothing but a cheap gimmick. Their "open beta" status lasts 3+ years in their other games. It is completely meaningless. It's too bad if you spent cash to support the devs. Now the cash you spent is worth a tiny fraction what it was, when you did. Because banning anyone is bad for the revenue.
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Played the game all the way to end...got most of the glory armor and didn't pay a dime. You are trying to make it sound worse than it really is.
Except people got exactly what they were told they would get. When you buy Zen, you get 100 Zen per dollar, when you buy a Founder's Pack, you get everything on the list as advertised, and despite the exploit the Zen/AD exchange rate is still between 50 to 500 AD per Zen - exactly like it was before the exploit. The exploit and rollback policy are technically unrelated.
I don't support Cryptic (haven't in a long while) and I think it's great people are looking for refunds, but I see this massive sense of entitlement and outrage is driving people to handle refund/chargeback requests improperly (not asking in the right places, not giving billing support an appropriate amount of time to respond, giving unjustified reasons, etc.); this gives PWE plenty of room to contest chargebacks, which they can win given the reasons above, and that will just plain suck.
I can't help but think this is part of PWE's business strategy: lure impulsive people in to squander a lot of money, because they're also the type who are too impulsive to file a proper refund request, wait three business days, then going filing for a chargeback (either with a refund rejection or non-response as evidence they're justified in reversing the charge).
Except that they clearly did not make an MMO for fans of D&D. This pile of garbage is a F2P cash shop grab that is relying on an IP to carry it through. About every aspect of the game is not D&D and about the only similarity is the names and that's bout it, everything is is an MMO bastardization.
Cryptic did in fact deceive the consumers for those expect a D&D MMO.
yeah because being able to exploit and make lots of AD and also PL yourself thru the use of the foundry isn't really bad at all
I'm not denying that, which is partially why I'm glad people are looking for refunds, but that just distracts from the point that Cryptic/PWE technically delivered on what was purchased.
You don't buy Zen specifically for Neverwinter Online. You buy it from PWE's store and they've fulfilled their obligation to you by delivering the purchased amount of Zen to you account; whatever you choose to do with it (that is, which game you decide to spend it on) is not PWE's responsibility. PWE can very easily contest chargebacks specifically related to Zen, especially if the customer a) already spent it all buying Astral Diamonds and b) didn't try to get a refund through proper channels.
As for the Founder's Pack (personal opinion of spending $200 on basically what amounts to a preorder aside), you're not paying for a DnD MMO, you're paying for virtual items. Your expectations may have been you were paying to support a true DnD MMO, but that's not what's being sold. Complaints about the nature of the game, of policies regarding the reaction to exploits, and the speculative effects such policy have on Astral Diamonds are issues with the free part of the game; this has nothing to do with the title, the mount, the exclusive race, the costume, the everything-else-a-pack-includes that people paid for and received.
A credit card issuer representative might be lazy about the details when the initial chargeback request is filed, but those are the details they'll have to go through if PWE decides to contest - and the more people who do chargebacks, the more motivation PWE will have to contest. The only saving grace will be if there aren't enough zeroes in the reversed transactions for PWE to care.
Exploits were rolled back.
And because someone plays the game differently than you it's wrong? I'll agree the initial Foundry xp was a bit high but where it's at now why worry if someone wants to skip the dry "content"?
I already got my refund, don't plan on revisiting, but don't try to pretend as if the problems weren't addressed and/or fixed.
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there is no legal reason for it, you are trying to over-complicate a very simple strategy that is we call "deceit". this "open beta" is there only too cover the screw ups saying "it is still in beta". how many PWE/AGE/gpotato/galanet/alaplaya published games have you played? or how many f2p games have you played in general? they release their games with shit load of bugs and mess with "open beta" tag so that when they screw up they can say "sorry for this messy beta, here take some of our dickcheese as consolation" and players are become happy with it. you don't need masters in law to understand treachery, you need common sense. but after spending so many years in mmo i realize common sense is a rare thing among mmo players and it is most rare in f2p mmo players.
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You missed some of hte highlighted red part?
Oh and it's my first Free to Play game I personaly enjoy, I can not count 4 month SWtOR because even when it went free to play I subbed for those months. But indeed due to the lack of common sense these day's with certain people it might be hard for such people to understand. Because people tend to twist things into their own favour regardless.
About the foundry. I think what people are referring to is that before it was possible to make a foundry quest with tons of monsters on the edge and push them off. This would get you to 60 in a matter of hours. Not possible to do now.
What I don't get, is why people are saying someone plays NW because the game pretends to be a D&D game. I mean, its f2p, you log in, you check....not D&D, you log off, delete, forget. Or you want to say that some people are forcing themselves to play this game just because it's related to D&D?
I haven't invested a cent into this game, but I got most stuff I would need now, but yeah, I did spend some time getting them instead of just buying them, but that's my choice. I won't hate someone or the game because it allows people who have money and can spend them to get stuff faster and easier. That's what you need money for.
There is some justification for the anger, Cryptic/PWE was offering the Founder's Pack deal before Open Beta with the promise that early adopters can get into the Closed Betas (the more you pay, the earlier you can get in), so some people shelled out $200 thinking they were supporting a completely different product; additionally by marketing the Founder's Pack as a limited time offer (once Founder's Pack ends, things like Hero of the North will go up to $300) it tricked people into thinking they didn't have much time to think about it.
That being said, nobody forced them to buy Founder's Packs before confirming if the game really was everything it suggested it would be. Hopefully they've learned not to believe the hype for such games in the future... or at least don't believe in hype that asks for $200 up front.
What the..?
Do you go around accusing everyone for exploiting even when you don't know anything about them? The leveling is so damn fast in this game what kind of idiot would want to PL?
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What do we have here. Let me guess. You are a fan of D&D and being such. You think you are the authority on what is or isn't D&D? People really need to stop with this. I don't care how many times and/or years you've done something like D&D. At the end of the day you are still nothing more then just a fan. You have no say on what is or isn't when it comes down to any IP. Every bit as stupid as Morrowind fans arguing with Oblivion fans and Skyrim fan.
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Quite a miss informed rant I must say I just partly skimmed over. If it was being graded a teacher for how much you got WRONG, you would quite easily fail the test.
We could argue this, but I can tell from this post here the OP isn't looking for discussion. Its their way or your just wrong, no matter what actual proof you bring to the table.
Perfect game? No. Cash Shop way too overpriced and done poorly? Yes. OP actually making good points? Not at all. Silly Rebecca Black fan obliviously bashing on the Beibs crew!
Forums prove that people on the internet enjoy ranting about what is essentially, nothing of importance.
It also proves that some individuals would prefer to reply with single sentence snark, rather than contribute to a meaningful conversation. Luckily, there's nothing meaningful happening here.
I agree with your assessment that the endgame in poop. Expert poop.
Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
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I don't really want to add fuel to the fire but PWE requires a phone call to both of my banks because of chargebacks (had to call in to see why my payment was denied.)
I've since gotten a refund due to the large exploit (I thoroughly explained to my bank after making the Neverwinter purchase what happened that the game was exploited to the extent I didn't want to play it anymore and I only played it approximately 2 weeks.) The bank understood and accepted my chargeback request. I supplied them a lot of screenshots and links.
So all in all the idea about chargebacks is what your bank is willing to do or willing to listen to-- as they have the ultimate say.
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I would like to see a basis for your argument. It seems very hostile and direct, why are you so bent out of shape over this game? Did it hurt you in some way?
I play Neverwinter, which is actually the first MMO I have enjoyed in a loooooong time. But that's me, I am not going to shove my opinion down your throat so I am not sure why you are trying to shove yours down mine.
Let me address your points, because you are either a hater of the game or you've not played it, or you did not play it enough because some of your points are just plain mute.
1) I wouldn't call the game 'Flashy' but that is subjective, it is however a very tight action rpg combat style. Which, for many that are bored with the tab targeting system from other MMO's might find a breath of fresh air with this one. I personally really enjoy the graphics and combat. That, however did not sway me. I simply wouldn't play it if it was a bad game. I like the graphics in Tera and TSW but I play those sparingly.
2) Please direct me to ANY play to win content. I have not found any yet and I am level 50 (i mainly spend my time in the Foundry). I have spent money in this game, mainly to buy more character slots and I also bought a bag of holding. The cost of which was still cheaper for me than subscribing for a month on some other MMO's out there. Those for me were convenience items. I didn't need them, but I wanted them because I play the game a lot.
In addition I have around 600k AD presently, which I earned by just doing dailies and selling things on the auction house and to other players. I also played the stock market game for a little bit early doors just to get myself around 50k AD which took about 2 hours or so but I stopped because I spend my time in foundry more in the stock exchange.
So please direct me what's play to win for you? If its the 'enchantment' stone success rate item that you can get, you can also purchase those for AD. The AH is littered with them and they aren't that expensive. You don't even have to grind that much.
3) How, is the game so far away from DnD? If you mean by Pen and Paper game, then yes... it is. Its near nigh impossible to implement that system into a virtual world system unless you have invented a holodeck. DnD allows complete immersion and freedom of play to which the DM helps direct that play and improvs the players actions. Saying this is so far away from DnD is just ridiculous. It is as good as saying Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale and Planescape are so far away from DnD because they lack full scale pen and paper immersion. This is a campaign set within the DnD world with nods to combat and interactions towards Dungeons and Dragons 'Next' rule set.
4) Where is your evidence to your argument of exploiters being banned for 48 hours? All we know is that people were perma-banned for exploiting as say Cryptic. They also have a log which they can see the path of AD and Zen. So, they know if someone has taken advantage when they investigate internally. This is completely unfounded with no basis to back up your claim.
5) There is no fault logic in playing the game and not paying. Many do not, this isn't the first Perfect World MMO who boast a consistent player base. Its just some people are smarter than others in knowing how to earn AD to exchange for Zen. Not that it matters really considering you don't need anything of the Zen market. You might as well just save your AD then purchase stuff from other players. I haven't had a problem, why have you been struggling so much to play the game??
6) Open Beta has been mentioned a lot lately, do I think the game will have the 'open beta' marker on it for some time? I do. Do I think I need it? I do. The thing is, the game is at a stage where it is essentially a live product, however there are issues that need to be addressed. These issues are easily found with lots of people playing for an extended time period. So, it makes good business sense to make the game live but inform people that there are still potential issues which is where the Open Beta tag comes into play.
I find it kinda funny that people are getting bent out of shape about it to be honest with you. Path of Exile which is a wonderful game also has the Open Beta marker on it and they also charge their players money for items with the promise of no character wipes. So why does that game differ to this one? I see nothing negative about it being in open beta on their forums.
Well, they addressed it to which they stated that there game would never be 'gold' because it was in a constant state of development and improvement. I can understand that logic. I also find it handy that the game being in open beta tells me that I might experience some issues when playing. It then becomes my choice to invest into it or not. I could easily of said 'I won't play the game until it's live as I don't want to deal with bugs'.
That was also your choice.
All in all, I think you have personal issues with the game and I think your post is ill-informed and biased to yourself with no facts, logic or evidence behind any of your claims.
If you are going to 'bash' on the game, then have some merit or basis behind the attack.
Something that people should really keep in mind is how chargebacks work. When you request a chargeback, you'll get your money (minus a processing fee) immediately, but that isn't the end of the story; the merchant has a window of time to contest the chargeback (something between 30 to 60 days, depends on the bank/issuer's policy), so keep all your evidence at hand and don't be surprised if you're contacted about the chargeback again.