Star Wars: The Old Republic ... in the shitter

simplius · May 2013

Originally posted by kartool
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by kartool
Originally posted by Bama1267
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Whitebeards
Originally posted by superniceguy

People who sub obviously like the game, so why so they keep moaning about it?

Because that is what people do? people feel they are entitled by paying 15 bucks a month.

Why do you keep thinking I want it shut down? I think you can see it shutting down, but deny it and pass the thought on to me

Nice try but anyone who has read your psot on these forums know that you are not happy that SWTOR is doing well.

I am not biased at all. Even Blind Freddy can see that SWTOR is doomed UNLESS BIOWARE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

No you are not biased at all.

Saying that SWTOR is fine and dandy WILL DO NOTHING AT ALL and kill the game for sure

I see now you are pretending as someone who actually cares for the game? is that what you are trying to tell us now?

I am going to snip rest of the post because i don't want to get into SWG debate here. But what you do is not what one would call an "effort to improve the game'. All you do is spread doom and gloom constantly and have given ZERO constructive feedback.

I never ever thought 'hey this guy really have some nice ideas to improve the game' or 'he really cares about SWTOR and want to see it improve' even once after reading your posts since SWTOR release.

Honestly, i just didn't roll out of the back of the truck so you are not fooling me here with 'i just want to see SWTOR become a better game' act.

I've given plenty of feedback, but then just get dumb responses "game is good as it is" or "it is not a sandbox" when other theme park games still get suggested features.

I also suggested at one time to at least be able to repeat some of the content.

It may not seem like I am being constructive because there are so many posts defending the game, and attacking me. On the SWTOR forums even looking at the negative posts, I could not see anybody defending the game as much as here

If they can make the game better than why not? But the bottom line is they are not. The NGE was crap, but that did not stand still, they added in tonnes of content after the NGE. If they did not I would not have played that either. If EA/BW was in charge with SWG, it would not have had Beast Master, no camps, no atmospheric flight, no chronicles, no heroics, no seasonal events, no GCW/GCW2, no Death Troopers theme park, no Meatlump theme park, but it would have gotten loads and loads and loads more TCG

Anyway I think you are just trolling me now to post more negativity on your behalf - you seem to be lovin' it

People like me and Whitebeards are not defending the game we are just calling you out on your motives behind your posts, doom and gloom bringer of death, you are blind to your own motives while others are seeing straight through them, you only have to look at your avatar to get a jist of them but its driven home once you start to read your overly negative posts.

None of my posts are negative, What I say is what it is of SWTOR

If I want my DVD player to play Blu Rays does that mean I am being negative of my DVD player? No. A DVD player can not play DVDs. A DVD player can never play Blu Rays. People like you accept the DVD player for what it is and do not want it to play Blu Ray. What I do then is go and buy a Blu Ray player which can then play Blu Rays

I go play STO and LOTRO instead which gives me what I want.

The difference though with SWTOR and a DVD player is that SWTOR is a MMO and can be enhanced and changed.

If SWTOR can be enhanced like any other MMO then great, but EA seems super reluctant in doing so.

Whatever you write is just your opinion, not what it is. Please stop thinking that your opinion is superior to others.

Sure it's his opinion .... shared by millions of other users. And while his opinion may not be superior it may be shared by a much higher percentage than those that oppose it.

So you've spoken to every single person who has ever played SWTOR, got their opinion and now have a spreadsheet or something that clearly show millions of people share superniceguys opinion, right? How much higher is the percentage? Is it 60%, 76%? How long did it take you to gather and compile all this information? I"m personally dying to see the results, please post them asap.

the numbers are there , 500k on your side

the rest of the World is on our side

count them , if you want to

You're stating the entire population of the world has played SWTOR and voiced an opinion about it? Millions, rest of the world... it's all made up bullshit to try and support an opinion. It's not my job to prove your claims, I just think it's funny how many people on this site confuse opinion with fact. 500k subs, plus the f2p players actually make SWTOR pretty successful regardless of how you feel about the game.

no,,im saying, that most of the World isnt paying, or playing swtor

and if you want to Count the F2Pers as well, okay,,put it up against WoTs 50 mio accounts, and call it a success?

FACT: 500k of over 2 mio sold boxes,,success rate 25%

FACT:roughly 2 mio like this game, but not enough to pay for it

when they start giving away their product FOR FREE, then you know theyre in trouble

FREE isnt a quality stamp,,its the opposite

and, often used by the suits , to lure in new customers

simplius · May 2013

Originally posted by ktanner3
No kidding. I guess every MMO but WOW is a miserable failure since none of them topped WOW. /sarcasm off

Some of you guys crack me up.

everything is relative

they fail on the same level, as an ordinary guy taking a swing at mike Tyson

but this game wasnt supposed to be ordinary, was it?

this was supposed to be THE TITLE MATCH

the jedi went to the floor in the first round, and the panda didnt even break a sweat

you can still have the jedi as your friend

but most other people dont consider him a jedi , after that performance

cgplayer · May 2013

Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by Slappy1
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by keithian

That is not true, if there is a decent thread about SWTOR I rarely post against SWTOR. eg I have not posted in the Road Map thread. What do you expect in this thread? I almost did a thread myself last week to say about all the negativity with 2.1 but Karteli beat me to it! If it was not for this thread these SWTOR forums would have been dead, as they were for a few days before it was posted.

This is so TRUE!!! Look at yours, Karteli, Simp and a few others history. You guys post the same stuff on every single SWTOR post. Copy/paste all day long,regurgitate each others sentences. When there are no active posts in the forum for SWTOR you guys search under the game list for SWTOR and post on something that has had no activity for days just to continue your weird awkward obsession with a VIDEO GAME!!.

/signed lol

/signed as well

It got to the point that nobody is taking you seriously guys. You lost all creditability. Every post is a repeat of something you already posted long long time ago. Same old s......

Honestly just stop it.

/signed as well.

Why is it that almost all hate thread's concerning Swtor have Karteli attached to them?It's just pathetic.

/signed. This has to be a record for signage over posters. Maybe this site can do what they did for SWG and make a separate sub forum for the butthurt crybabies who can't stop posting the same drivel. I suggest calling it "TOR P.U"

I agree 100%. It would be nice if MMORPG took notice that people are getting sick and tired of reading the same crap on every SWTOR by the same 5 people. MMORPG should step up and do something its been over 1 1/2 already! Unfortunately those who /signed will be the ones who will get slapped on the hand.

junzo316 · May 2013

I have recently resubbed and have been pleasantly surprised at the amount of players online. It seems there are more now than a month after launch. Enjoying myself with the new features and such. 2.1 did not disappoint, at least it didn't for me. I enjoy all the new cosmetic items. (CONFESSION) Although I did purchase new Cathar race, I haven't made one yet. I'm one of those peeps with disposable incomes, and if I'm enjoying a game, I'll throw more money into it. So, in my opinion as a subbed player, the game isn't in the shitter. I must also note, I sub to at least two to three diff games at a time, so I must be really enjoying it if I continue my sub.

ignore_me · May 2013

Originally posted by cgplayer
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by Slappy1
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by keithian

That is not true, if there is a decent thread about SWTOR I rarely post against SWTOR. eg I have not posted in the Road Map thread. What do you expect in this thread? I almost did a thread myself last week to say about all the negativity with 2.1 but Karteli beat me to it! If it was not for this thread these SWTOR forums would have been dead, as they were for a few days before it was posted.

This is so TRUE!!! Look at yours, Karteli, Simp and a few others history. You guys post the same stuff on every single SWTOR post. Copy/paste all day long,regurgitate each others sentences. When there are no active posts in the forum for SWTOR you guys search under the game list for SWTOR and post on something that has had no activity for days just to continue your weird awkward obsession with a VIDEO GAME!!.

/signed lol

/signed as well

It got to the point that nobody is taking you seriously guys. You lost all creditability. Every post is a repeat of something you already posted long long time ago. Same old s......

Honestly just stop it.

/signed as well.

Why is it that almost all hate thread's concerning Swtor have Karteli attached to them?It's just pathetic.

/signed. This has to be a record for signage over posters. Maybe this site can do what they did for SWG and make a separate sub forum for the butthurt crybabies who can't stop posting the same drivel. I suggest calling it "TOR P.U"

I agree 100%. It would be nice if MMORPG took notice that people are getting sick and tired of reading the same crap on every SWTOR by the same 5 people. MMORPG should step up and do something its been over 1 1/2 already! Unfortunately those who /signed will be the ones who will get slapped on the hand.

Nah, I've received many warnings and temporary bans. They're like medals of public service. The Star Wars mod for WoW created discontents by being what it is.

I like your solidarity though, made me laugh

Calerxes · May 2013

Originally posted by si

None of my posts are negative, What I say is what it is of SWTOR

If I want my DVD player to play Blu Rays does that mean I am being negative of my DVD player? No. A DVD player can not play DVDs. A DVD player can never play Blu Rays. People like you accept the DVD player for what it is and do not want it to play Blu Ray. What I do then is go and buy a Blu Ray player which can then play Blu Rays

I go play STO and LOTRO instead which gives me what I want.

The difference though with SWTOR and a DVD player is that SWTOR is a MMO and can be enhanced and changed.

If SWTOR can be enhanced like any other MMO then great, but EA seems super reluctant in doing so.

Whatever you write is just your opinion, not what it is. Please stop thinking that your opinion is superior to others.

Sure it's his opinion .... shared by millions of other users. And while his opinion may not be superior it may be shared by a much higher percentage than those that oppose it.

So you've spoken to every single person who has ever played SWTOR, got their opinion and now have a spreadsheet or something that clearly show millions of people share superniceguys opinion, right? How much higher is the percentage? Is it 60%, 76%? How long did it take you to gather and compile all this information? I"m personally dying to see the results, please post them asap.

the numbers are there , 500k on your side

the rest of the World is on our side

count them , if you want to

You're stating the entire population of the world has played SWTOR and voiced an opinion about it? Millions, rest of the world... it's all made up bullshit to try and support an opinion. It's not my job to prove your claims, I just think it's funny how many people on this site confuse opinion with fact. 500k subs, plus the f2p players actually make SWTOR pretty successful regardless of how you feel about the game.

no,,im saying, that most of the World isnt paying, or playing swtor

and if you want to Count the F2Pers as well, okay,,put it up against WoTs 50 mio accounts, and call it a success?

FACT: 500k of over 2 mio sold boxes,,success rate 25%

FACT:roughly 2 mio like this game, but not enough to pay for it

when they start giving away their product FOR FREE, then you know theyre in trouble

FREE isnt a quality stamp,,its the opposite

and, often used by the suits , to lure in new customers

Originally posted by simplius

Originally posted by ktanner3
No kidding. I guess every MMO but WOW is a miserable failure since none of them topped WOW. /sarcasm off

Some of you guys crack me up.

everything is relative

they fail on the same level, as an ordinary guy taking a swing at mike Tyson

but this game wasnt supposed to be ordinary, was it?

this was supposed to be THE TITLE MATCH

the jedi went to the floor in the first round, and the panda didnt even break a sweat

you can still have the jedi as your friend

but most other people dont consider him a jedi , after that performance

You really need to calm down your posts are incoherent and meaningless, it is only a game, also were are those numbers you were getting?

superniceguy · May 2013

Originally posted by Calerxes

For every 4 or more people to play SWTOR, 1 will really like it (Over 75% of 2million people quit the game within the first year of a game supposedly to last at least 10 years)

My opinion is not unique, when will you accept the fact that SWTOR is crap? I accept that you like crap games

I accepted that SWG was crap to many other people and let them have their fun dissing it.

More made up data, how many people play TOR at the moment free and sub? come back to me when you know the cold hard truth and links to back it up.

How should I know? Ea are not straight with the numbers, but what I said is all viable with what they stated

The game launched with 2 million, with 1.7 million subs, then 1.3 million, then above 500K when F2P was announced, and who knows what it was like when F2P hit. I unsubbed when F2P hit, otherwise I may have stayed subbed (from time to time).

So that means there was less than 500K subs when F2P hit, especially if you think BW stated that they had more subs since F2P (how could they have more subs since F2P if they are now "just under 500K" If they had more than 500K subs at F2P then that means the subs have dropped), therefore SWTOR lost over 75% of players from Dec 2011 to Nov 2012. So not made up data at all.

Last month it was just under 500K which no doubt included my sub to get Makeb which is no longer valid (and I can say with complete confidence that others would have done the same too), and they said they had 1.7 million new accounts (which does not mean they are all playing it) This is what you asked me for but is irrelevant to what I posted which you claimed to be made up data to Sevenstar. You are the one making things up and twisting stuff

You are still basing your "facts" on data you have no concrete evidence about, as you even say yourself EA are vague with numbers, you are guessing they didn't have x amount of subs at a certain time so its just as valid as me saying that subs have grown as I've counted 5k players on my server at peak, times that by 20 servers equals 100k concurrent players, times that by the common only 10% of playerbase play concurrently and you have 1 million players and that will be shown in this quarters accounts. See easy isn't it so stop quoting inconclusive data as fact and that millions back you up, it only makes you look like you have an agenda which quite honestly you have. Also your sub was replaced by me as I re-subbed about 3 weeks ago after letting my sub go last August 2012 and I can say with complete confidence that others have done the same.

What I said of what you highlighted in orange is 100% accurate. We know the game launched with "more than 2 million" and we know that the subs rose since F2P "Sub number still growing"

What we do not know is how many more people bought the game between launch and F2P.

Now the following is made up data:

They could have sold up to about 3 million, and had about 200k subs at F2P, that means they could have lost about 93% of players from launch. Maybe I should start saying OTT thing then, and start saying that over 90% players quit the game. It is quite possible but it truly is made up data though.

Having said that though, looking again at the official statement of the recent call with EA, they say that "And the number of subscriptions has stabilized at just under half a million." They do not say the subs have risen at all, since F2P. Seems I got confused with the many people claiming they rose

So perhaps then that they were higher than 500K at F2P, and the subs have dropped, since F2P?

If the subs have increased since F2P, then I am 100% accurate in saying "For every 4 or more people to play SWTOR, 1 will really like it (Over 75% of 2million people quit the game within the first year of a game supposedly to last at least 10 years)" as for subs to have increased they had to have been below "just under" 500K. 2 million (at least) down to 500K (at most) is 75%. With more people buying the game and subs being below 500K, that makes it "over 75%"

If subs have dropped since F2P, then I may not be 100% accurate but pretty close, although could be depending on how many subs there were at F2P, plus how many more people bought the game after launch.

So did subs actually rise or fall since F2P? (not the "free" people as these are completely unknown and irrelevant to the statement you claim to be made up, and even EA differentiate the two)

itgrowls · May 2013

Originally posted by simplius
and it doesnt help them , that STO have actually delivered on some of their promises

their expansion is quite enjoyable,,and really FREE

swtor is in the shitter...yes....and, sadly, it isnt even SITTING on the shitter

when the stench becomes unbearable, one of the suits will flush it out

Gotta say I noticed this too. Lots of immigrants from SWTOR were in Zone chat last night in ESD talking about this very thing.

I was quite impressed with the Romulan expansion.

SWTOR didn't attract me back due to the very nature of their Freemium model. There was no incentive for a player like me.

jinxit · May 2013

Originally posted by sexypanda198
Tired companies like SOE and EA ruining things. yes i'm aware it is bioware but we all know what EA does to most products. For those who would like star wars galaxies what company would you like to make it if it happened.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/113420/

cgplayer · May 2013

Originally posted by itgrowls
Originally posted by simplius
and it doesnt help them , that STO have actually delivered on some of their promises

their expansion is quite enjoyable,,and really FREE

swtor is in the shitter...yes....and, sadly, it isnt even SITTING on the shitter

when the stench becomes unbearable, one of the suits will flush it out

Gotta say I noticed this too. Lots of immigrants from SWTOR were in Zone chat last night in ESD talking about this very thing.

I was quite impressed with the Romulan expansion.

SWTOR didn't attract me back due to the very nature of their Freemium model. There was no incentive for a player like me.

So let me get this straight...you guys bash Swtor because it has not lived up to your supreme expectation and has not delivered on promises you THOUGHT would be in the game? But yet STO is awesome now because after THREE YEARS they finally released the Romulan faction?

And to the "has no incentive for player like me" well I don't think any game wants player like you. Feeling entitled to get everything for FREE is crap, its crap in real life its crap in Video Games. Games companies are out to make money get over it, just like get over the fact that SWTOR is going to be around for a long time nothing the Fab 5 can do about that.

cgplayer · May 2013

Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by keithian

That is not true, if there is a decent thread about SWTOR I rarely post against SWTOR. eg I have not posted in the Road Map thread. What do you expect in this thread? I almost did a thread myself last week to say about all the negativity with 2.1 but Karteli beat me to it! If it was not for this thread these SWTOR forums would have been dead, as they were for a few days before it was posted.

This is so TRUE!!! Look at yours, Karteli, Simp and a few others history. You guys post the same stuff on every single SWTOR post. Copy/paste all day long,regurgitate each others sentences. When there are no active posts in the forum for SWTOR you guys search under the game list for SWTOR and post on something that has had no activity for days just to continue your weird awkward obsession with a VIDEO GAME!!.

/signed lol

/signed as well

It got to the point that nobody is taking you seriously guys. You lost all creditability. Every post is a repeat of something you already posted long long time ago. Same old s......

Honestly just stop it.

Glad to see you all agree that the game is dead. That is basically what I was saying!

Karteli only beat me because I was admiring how dead the forums are because the game is dead, and I did not want to go resurrecting them. The only threads that get posted here are doom and gloom threads, which attract me, because the game is dead.

If the game is not dead, then honestly just start it (with non doom and gloom threads which do not attract me)

Sorry buddy they were not signing your part. They were signing the part that called you a LIAR, called you and your friends pathetic, sad, and have lost all creditability on this site. They were signing that we all know you guys activate SWTOR post when they have been dead for days just to keep your weird awkward obsession going.

The only threads that get posted here are doom and gloom threads, which attract me, because the game is dead.

MMORPG I would think this is an admission to TROLLING!!!! Or its an admission that he has a very sad miserable life or both, but still lets go with TROLLING. Do something about this people are getting sick and tired of it.

bubaluba · May 2013

It is so simple. Try to log on almost any server and you will find at least 3 instance full on space station. Now you can try the same with , for example gw2, rift exct.. and you will find empty city

superniceguy · May 2013

Originally posted by cgplayer
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by keithian

That is not true, if there is a decent thread about SWTOR I rarely post against SWTOR. eg I have not posted in the Road Map thread. What do you expect in this thread? I almost did a thread myself last week to say about all the negativity with 2.1 but Karteli beat me to it! If it was not for this thread these SWTOR forums would have been dead, as they were for a few days before it was posted.

This is so TRUE!!! Look at yours, Karteli, Simp and a few others history. You guys post the same stuff on every single SWTOR post. Copy/paste all day long,regurgitate each others sentences. When there are no active posts in the forum for SWTOR you guys search under the game list for SWTOR and post on something that has had no activity for days just to continue your weird awkward obsession with a VIDEO GAME!!.

/signed lol

/signed as well

It got to the point that nobody is taking you seriously guys. You lost all creditability. Every post is a repeat of something you already posted long long time ago. Same old s......

Honestly just stop it.

Glad to see you all agree that the game is dead. That is basically what I was saying!

Karteli only beat me because I was admiring how dead the forums are because the game is dead, and I did not want to go resurrecting them. The only threads that get posted here are doom and gloom threads, which attract me, because the game is dead.

If the game is not dead, then honestly just start it (with non doom and gloom threads which do not attract me)

Sorry buddy they were not signing your part. They were signing the part that called you a LIAR, called you and your friends pathetic, sad, and have lost all creditability on this site. They were signing that we all know you guys activate SWTOR post when they have been dead for days just to keep your weird awkward obsession going.

The only threads that get posted here are doom and gloom threads, which attract me, because the game is dead.

MMORPG I would think this is an admission to TROLLING!!!! Or its an admission that he has a very sad miserable life or both, but still lets go with TROLLING. Do something about this people are getting sick and tired of it.

Then why quote me?

The threads attract me but it is not trolling as I discuss the facts as stated by EA/BW, and try and put it into proper perspective. Even when I reiterate negative stuff from what BW/EA say, people still deny it and respond in an irrational manner.

I give up, I will still state the facts, but I am not going to bother trying to correct people from now on, when they will not accept the truth.

I still want a SW MMO to play, and will do whatever to try and get my desires across. Currently SWTOR is our only hope, unless EA can now do another one at the same time, but until then I will be fighting to get SWTOR up to awesomeness

Calerxes · May 2013

Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Calerxes

For every 4 or more people to play SWTOR, 1 will really like it (Over 75% of 2million people quit the game within the first year of a game supposedly to last at least 10 years)

My opinion is not unique, when will you accept the fact that SWTOR is crap? I accept that you like crap games

I accepted that SWG was crap to many other people and let them have their fun dissing it.

More made up data, how many people play TOR at the moment free and sub? come back to me when you know the cold hard truth and links to back it up.

How should I know? Ea are not straight with the numbers, but what I said is all viable with what they stated

The game launched with 2 million, with 1.7 million subs, then 1.3 million, then above 500K when F2P was announced, and who knows what it was like when F2P hit. I unsubbed when F2P hit, otherwise I may have stayed subbed (from time to time).

So that means there was less than 500K subs when F2P hit, especially if you think BW stated that they had more subs since F2P (how could they have more subs since F2P if they are now "just under 500K" If they had more than 500K subs at F2P then that means the subs have dropped), therefore SWTOR lost over 75% of players from Dec 2011 to Nov 2012. So not made up data at all.

Last month it was just under 500K which no doubt included my sub to get Makeb which is no longer valid (and I can say with complete confidence that others would have done the same too), and they said they had 1.7 million new accounts (which does not mean they are all playing it) This is what you asked me for but is irrelevant to what I posted which you claimed to be made up data to Sevenstar. You are the one making things up and twisting stuff

You are still basing your "facts" on data you have no concrete evidence about, as you even say yourself EA are vague with numbers, you are guessing they didn't have x amount of subs at a certain time so its just as valid as me saying that subs have grown as I've counted 5k players on my server at peak, times that by 20 servers equals 100k concurrent players, times that by the common only 10% of playerbase play concurrently and you have 1 million players and that will be shown in this quarters accounts. See easy isn't it so stop quoting inconclusive data as fact and that millions back you up, it only makes you look like you have an agenda which quite honestly you have. Also your sub was replaced by me as I re-subbed about 3 weeks ago after letting my sub go last August 2012 and I can say with complete confidence that others have done the same.

What I said of what you highlighted in orange is 100% accurate. We know the game launched with "more than 2 million" and we know that the subs rose since F2P "Sub number still growing"

What we do not know is how many more people bought the game between launch and F2P.

Now the following is made up data:

They could have sold up to about 3 million, and had about 200k subs at F2P, that means they could have lost about 93% of players from launch. Maybe I should start saying OTT thing then, and start saying that over 90% players quit the game. It is quite possible but it truly is made up data though.

Having said that though, looking again at the official statement of the recent call with EA, they say that "And the number of subscriptions has stabilized at just under half a million." They do not say the subs have risen at all, since F2P. Seems I got confused with the many people claiming they rose

So perhaps then that they were higher than 500K at F2P, and the subs have dropped, since F2P?

If the subs have increased since F2P, then I am 100% accurate in saying "For every 4 or more people to play SWTOR, 1 will really like it (Over 75% of 2million people quit the game within the first year of a game supposedly to last at least 10 years)" as for subs to have increased they had to have been below "just under" 500K. 2 million (at least) down to 500K (at most) is 75%. With more people buying the game and subs being below 500K, that makes it "over 75%"

If subs have dropped since F2P, then I may not be 100% accurate but pretty close, although could be depending on how many subs there were at F2P, plus how many more people bought the game after launch.

So did subs actually rise or fall since F2P? (not the "free" people as these are completely unknown and irrelevant to the statement you claim to be made up, and even EA differentiate the two)

Look SNG you do not have any facts about the amount of players playing at any time you have vague circa numbers issued by EA and you then go on to litter your post with If's, Could's and being confused about what you read, saying basically I was wrong with my first theory. You've also stated that EA are not wholly truthful with their numbers but you then use those same numbers to formulate a premise, you cannot have it both ways, which is the whole problem with your argument on a fundamental level. If you start at a wrong premise your conclusion will always be wrong which it is because you don't have any hard facts about real numbers then and you sure do not have any hard numbers about the playerbase now, (even though I gave you figures taken directly from server and you only have to log in, its a FREE game after all and count them yourself if you really are that interested, but you are not because you would have done this already). Your whole argument boils down to TOR is dying, players are leaving in droves because they think the game is crap and I told you so, though many other posters see it but you constantly try to put forth your "facts" as truth when they clearly are not and you are twisting them to fit your biased opinion.

Please just leave this forum and let the fans have solace in knowing that the game they enjoy has stabilized, EA/Bioware are actively working on improving the game and they are communicating their future plans. Your doom mongering does absolutely nothing to help improve the game as you don't want it improved the way it is being improved you just want SWG back.

Calerxes · May 2013

Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by keithian

That is not true, if there is a decent thread about SWTOR I rarely post against SWTOR. eg I have not posted in the Road Map thread. What do you expect in this thread? I almost did a thread myself last week to say about all the negativity with 2.1 but Karteli beat me to it! If it was not for this thread these SWTOR forums would have been dead, as they were for a few days before it was posted.

This is so TRUE!!! Look at yours, Karteli, Simp and a few others history. You guys post the same stuff on every single SWTOR post. Copy/paste all day long,regurgitate each others sentences. When there are no active posts in the forum for SWTOR you guys search under the game list for SWTOR and post on something that has had no activity for days just to continue your weird awkward obsession with a VIDEO GAME!!.

/signed lol

/signed as well

It got to the point that nobody is taking you seriously guys. You lost all creditability. Every post is a repeat of something you already posted long long time ago. Same old s......

Honestly just stop it.

Glad to see you all agree that the game is dead. That is basically what I was saying!

Karteli only beat me because I was admiring how dead the forums are because the game is dead, and I did not want to go resurrecting them. The only threads that get posted here are doom and gloom threads, which attract me, because the game is dead.

If the game is not dead, then honestly just start it (with non doom and gloom threads which do not attract me)

You are now admitting you are trolling and reveal the claims you are accused of and have been denying all along, brilliant just brilliant SNG you just proved to the whole boards exactly your motives behind all your posts for the past year or so *golf clap* from the horses mouth guys you cannot get more authentic than that. Superniceguy OH! the irony Freud would have a field day with that little nugget.

noncley · May 2013

Originally posted by jpnz
It certainly is in the 'shitter' and is losing players left and right! OMG!

Hang on.... didn't EA say that SWTOR's F2P went great and that they were making money etc etc? LOLWUT?

What EA says happened and what actually happened are always - ALWAYS! - the opposite.

superniceguy · May 2013

Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by keithian

That is not true, if there is a decent thread about SWTOR I rarely post against SWTOR. eg I have not posted in the Road Map thread. What do you expect in this thread? I almost did a thread myself last week to say about all the negativity with 2.1 but Karteli beat me to it! If it was not for this thread these SWTOR forums would have been dead, as they were for a few days before it was posted.

This is so TRUE!!! Look at yours, Karteli, Simp and a few others history. You guys post the same stuff on every single SWTOR post. Copy/paste all day long,regurgitate each others sentences. When there are no active posts in the forum for SWTOR you guys search under the game list for SWTOR and post on something that has had no activity for days just to continue your weird awkward obsession with a VIDEO GAME!!.

/signed lol

/signed as well

It got to the point that nobody is taking you seriously guys. You lost all creditability. Every post is a repeat of something you already posted long long time ago. Same old s......

Honestly just stop it.

Glad to see you all agree that the game is dead. That is basically what I was saying!

Karteli only beat me because I was admiring how dead the forums are because the game is dead, and I did not want to go resurrecting them. The only threads that get posted here are doom and gloom threads, which attract me, because the game is dead.

If the game is not dead, then honestly just start it (with non doom and gloom threads which do not attract me)

You are now admitting you are trolling and reveal the claims you are accused of and have been denying all along, brilliant just brilliant SNG you just proved to the whole boards exactly your motives behind all your posts for the past year or so *golf clap* from the horses mouth guys you cannot get more authentic than that. Superniceguy OH! the irony Freud would have a field day with that little nugget.

I am not admitting to trolling at all, in fact I am admitting to the opposite. I post in these threads to say why I think game is "in the shitter", and what needs to be done to make me want to play. One reason was because at the time there was no road map, then you come on and attack me saying I am bonkers or something. If you had not done that plus your many attacking posts afterwards then I would have been impressed with the BW, and thought about playing the game, but your responses have annoyed me to no end and I want to dislike SWTOR still. You are the one trolling by saying none of what I think matters one bit, and now this thread is one big farce, with us bickering between each other. I say something, and you then call it BS, and start going on about something else. 1) I replied saying I could not post as do not have a sub, then you start antagonising with saying I was saying the game will be dead and SWG resurrected which I never said in the post you quoted 2) When I said about the numbers, you asked me to get links about numbers now, but I was on about numbers during the P2P only era - You are the one who was constantly getting me replying, and now telling me leave this forum - that is just rich.

Luckily the official forums did not get this bad as BW saw the problem that people were saying, which this thread is about, and they promised to see what they could do so people do not feel ripped off. "With that being said we have definitely heard your frustrations around Game Updates and the value you feel as a subscriber. I don't have details today but we are continuing to look at options moving forward to make sure that you don't feel that way." If BW saw this thread they would not do anything to improve the situation as it is now no longer constructive, because you lot can not handle any negative feedback, yet BW can.

If I posted "This is lame, SWTOR suxxors" in the Road Map thread, then that would be trolling. These "in the shitter" threads are the best place to post our frustrations about the game, without having to troll decent threads, and I believe I have posted constructively

eddieg50 · May 2013

"Hey mate did you know that TOR is dead" "He bleedin is, no I didn't know, when did he die" "Oh years ago mate, seemed like everyone hated him and he just gave up and died away" " Your bleepin blippen, holy cow isn't that TOR over there and he looks healthy as a horse" "but I heard from these guys" "Yea but there he is, healthy as a horse, it looks like the guys who told you that are as smart as a horses arse"

funcon · May 2013

I haven't played this dump of a game in 9 months. Is it any better now?

Thebigbopper · May 2013

Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by keithian

That is not true, if there is a decent thread about SWTOR I rarely post against SWTOR. eg I have not posted in the Road Map thread. What do you expect in this thread? I almost did a thread myself last week to say about all the negativity with 2.1 but Karteli beat me to it! If it was not for this thread these SWTOR forums would have been dead, as they were for a few days before it was posted.

This is so TRUE!!! Look at yours, Karteli, Simp and a few others history. You guys post the same stuff on every single SWTOR post. Copy/paste all day long,regurgitate each others sentences. When there are no active posts in the forum for SWTOR you guys search under the game list for SWTOR and post on something that has had no activity for days just to continue your weird awkward obsession with a VIDEO GAME!!.

/signed lol

/signed as well

It got to the point that nobody is taking you seriously guys. You lost all creditability. Every post is a repeat of something you already posted long long time ago. Same old s......

Honestly just stop it.

Glad to see you all agree that the game is dead. That is basically what I was saying!

Karteli only beat me because I was admiring how dead the forums are because the game is dead, and I did not want to go resurrecting them. The only threads that get posted here are doom and gloom threads, which attract me, because the game is dead.

If the game is not dead, then honestly just start it (with non doom and gloom threads which do not attract me)

The game is far from dead. It is expanding now in regards to players. I can tell because I now sometimes see 5 versions of fleet on the server I play rather than 4. The server always feels alive with players so you are far from correct.

ktanner3 · May 2013

Originally posted by cgplayer
Originally posted by itgrowls
Originally posted by simplius
and it doesnt help them , that STO have actually delivered on some of their promises

their expansion is quite enjoyable,,and really FREE

swtor is in the shitter...yes....and, sadly, it isnt even SITTING on the shitter

when the stench becomes unbearable, one of the suits will flush it out

Gotta say I noticed this too. Lots of immigrants from SWTOR were in Zone chat last night in ESD talking about this very thing.

I was quite impressed with the Romulan expansion.

SWTOR didn't attract me back due to the very nature of their Freemium model. There was no incentive for a player like me.

So let me get this straight...you guys bash Swtor because it has not lived up to your supreme expectation and has not delivered on promises you THOUGHT would be in the game? But yet STO is awesome now because after THREE YEARS they finally released the Romulan faction?

What's really hilarious is them thinking that STO is even on any AAA MMO's radar. I doubt EA or anyone else cares about what STO is doing. It's small potatoes.Plus the romulans aren't really their own faction, They have to align with the Federation or the Klingons. So fans that have been asking for a true romulan faction are still waiting.

And to the "has no incentive for player like me" well I don't think any game wants player like you. Feeling entitled to get everything for FREE is crap, its crap in real life its crap in Video Games. Games companies are out to make money get over it, just like get over the fact that SWTOR is going to be around for a long time .

Also ironic when you consider that STO is trying to grab money from you every which way you turn. Want the best stuff for the new expansion? Pay us. Want to open up all those lockboxes you've been looting? Pay us. Want to fly something different? Pay us. Want to look like Kirk? Pay us.

Not that I have any problem with that. But don't turn around and claim STO is better because it's free. It isn't.

Gravarg · May 2013

simplius · May 2013

Originally posted by eddieg50
"Hey mate did you know that TOR is dead" "He bleedin is, no I didn't know, when did he die" "Oh years ago mate, seemed like everyone hated him and he just gave up and died away" " Your bleepin blippen, holy cow isn't that TOR over there and he looks healthy as a horse" "but I heard from these guys" "Yea but there he is, healthy as a horse, it looks like the guys who told you that are as smart as a horses arse"

healthy as a horse? maybe ... horses get Health issues too,,sooner or later

if its that healthy,,make a race against PANDAs horse,,thats the fastest in the World

FYI, DYING is not the same , as DEAD

congratz, on taking the human IQ Down to this level

simplius · May 2013

Originally posted by cgplayer
Originally posted by itgrowls
Originally posted by simplius
and it doesnt help them , that STO have actually delivered on some of their promises

their expansion is quite enjoyable,,and really FREE

swtor is in the shitter...yes....and, sadly, it isnt even SITTING on the shitter

when the stench becomes unbearable, one of the suits will flush it out

Gotta say I noticed this too. Lots of immigrants from SWTOR were in Zone chat last night in ESD talking about this very thing.

I was quite impressed with the Romulan expansion.

SWTOR didn't attract me back due to the very nature of their Freemium model. There was no incentive for a player like me.

So let me get this straight...you guys bash Swtor because it has not lived up to your supreme expectation and has not delivered on promises you THOUGHT would be in the game? But yet STO is awesome now because after THREE YEARS they finally released the Romulan faction?

And to the "has no incentive for player like me" well I don't think any game wants player like you. Feeling entitled to get everything for FREE is crap, its crap in real life its crap in Video Games. Games companies are out to make money get over it, just like get over the fact that SWTOR is going to be around for a long time nothing the Fab 5 can do about that.

forgive me, for believing, that over 6 years Work would result in a good product

forgive me, for wanting to play an EPIC star wars mmo

forgive me, for believing, that 3 of the big names ,,EA, bioware , and star wars , would make a good cocktail

STO always had the core gameplay, they just had problems on getting the bugs out

STO almost DIED , because of those bugs,,only a robust F2P model, and P2W, saved it

i didnt defend STO back then because they did deserve most of the hate

and EAware deserve it even more

Olgark · May 2013

Its all in line with EA's new market strategy to be honest. They think microtransactions are the way of the future and they are going to be putting it into all new releases.

Battlefield 4 you will be buying armour, weapons and other military hardware through a in game store with real money. You think this is a jest or a joke, wait till it happens. I read the EA statement on this earlier this year.

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