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hadz
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Well woopee! EVE has another pcu record...and who said they only announce them on multiples of 1000.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/4118
It appears they've achieved the marvelous feat of hitting 17,816 users on line at one time.
Can't wait till they hit 17,817 and make another announcement!! 
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considering this game is one of the ONLY mmorpgs who has NEVER experienced a drop in subscriptions and players online. This is a major achievement.
I mean....how many MMORPGs that are 3 years old can mention the fact that there playerbase is constantly growing versus constantly decreasing (whether it is in large amounts or little by little).
Considering this game started with 5 people in Iceland with no mega financial publisher to back them up or some major godly like DEV to spear head the project, EVE is one helluva success story. Eve represents the reality that a small group of guys can make a decent mmorpg without the executive suits of some major publishing company who knows only money.
Now, their staff has tripled and their base of operations have opened offices in Europe and in the United States. Hell....this company should be mentioned in the Forbes Magazine of success. lol, I like to see 5 of you come together and pull something like this off.
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eve has been out 3 years? wow I never noticed that lol.
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wow, took them 3 years to reach 17k people online at the same time? didn't wow had 200k people online at the first weekend after european release?
altough, still a good job growing so big considering they started with 5 people, never knew that, thanks for the info
tough i would expect more players now that their so big. but it still hardly gets over the 70k subscribers.
200K people yes, but not on the same server.
I find 17K an impressive number on 1 server, especially when you can communicate and meet eachother with everyone there whenever you want.
maybe ill go back to Eve Online i havent played it in awhile, mainly due to SWG but now thats dead so i got nothing better to play
200K people yes, but not on the same server.
I find 17K an impressive number on 1 server, especially when you can communicate and meet eachother with everyone there whenever you want.
i don't think that really countst in this new EVE record, since its just a matter of having less servers and raise the cap. fact still stays it had 17k people online, same server or not.
First of all, we're talking 17k people in a single server, something that traditional MMORPGs who offer seperate servers cannot support. From a technical point of view, it is an amazing thing.
Secondly, Blizzard was a well known company with many hardcore fans for their RTS titles. Not that WoW's success is any less amazing, but considering that CCP had no previous released titles and EVE is keeping an inceasing number of subscriptions since its release, they are quite successful. And it's not often that an MMORPG that exists for quite some long time is able to have such a good, steady increase in subscriptions.
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Blizzard had millions of dollars to pour into Advertising. CCP had about 1/20 of that.
And how many fans did blizzard have before WoW and how many fans did the Warcraft series geenrate before WoW? CCP (EVE) was a group of 5 guys. They never made a game before and they did it all from scratch in Iceland. WoW has a freakin multi-million dollar staff base to work with with headquarters all over the place
EVE didnt do too shabby, IMO
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First of all, we're talking 17k people in a single server, something that traditional MMORPGs who offer seperate servers cannot support. From a technical point of view, it is an amazing thing.
Secondly, Blizzard was a well known company with many hardcore fans for their RTS titles. Not that WoW's success is any less amazing, but considering that CCP had no previous released titles and EVE is keeping an inceasing number of subscriptions since its release, they are quite successful. And it's not often that an MMORPG that exists for quite some long time is able to have such a good, steady increase in subscriptions.
to be really honest, i think 3 years should be more then enough to give your company a good name, especialy after so many advertising. i find it quite funny they only reach 17k people online (i really don't care if its on the same server or not) after all those advertisements, fanboy advertisements on this forum and being overhyped all the way to #1 rank.
"And how many fans did blizzard have before WoW and how many fans did the Warcraft series geenrate before WoW? CCP (EVE) was a group of 5 guys. They never made a game before and they did it all from scratch in Iceland. WoW has a freakin multi-million dollar staff base to work with with headquarters all over the place"
yes, but EVE now also has offices in multiple country's and is now also a big company. and for how long has EVE been running? 3 years? WoW is still pretty new. you will never hear me say it isn't impressive growing from 5 man to a big company, but now that they are a big company, i would expect a lot more.
I honestly don't know what your "problem" is. Are you trying to compare CCP to Blizzard, and if yes then why? Fact is both companies run successful games that their playerbase love, what's the problem with that?
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Nice, 3 years and the player count is not falling? How does it come? Are most Eve players hardcore fans or does the game constantly get fresh blood?
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Not a big fan of Eve myself but I think what CCP has done with the company and the quality of the product is something to be admired.
Why anyone would have a problem with them announcing their success, I have no idea. It stands to be a wonderful way to attract new players, instill pride in the player base and presents itself as an example to what a small group with wonderful asperations can accomplish.
All the power to them.
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I honestly don't know what your "problem" is. Are you trying to compare CCP to Blizzard, and if yes then why? Fact is both companies run successful games that their playerbase love, what's the problem with that?
the Huge ammount of EVE Fanboys,thats my problem. there has been a time where EVE was advertised in close to every topic while bashing other games. yes i'm comparing EVE to World of Warcraft's Numbers. even tough the fanboys have advertised and praising their game to heavens, the game is still struggling with lower numbers. Blizzard and WoW was just the first that came to mind, i could have also picked another company and another game. i just used them to show those numbers are more or less a joke COMPARED (<--important) to other games, even tough EVE has been advertised in loads of topics and curently is #1 rank on this site.
Oh my, not again
Hadz (and any likeminded), if you don't like the announcements of EVE player numbers, then simply ignore news related to EVE, simple as that. The bbq that is started each time after such a news is starting to get as old as the "EVE crusaders".
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Sounds like a personal issue to me.
And stop referring to anyone who likes a game a fanboy. That is trolling, pure and simple.
If you loathingly hate EVE in an unhealthy way then that is your personal social problem.
Just dont post it here on the forums. It only starts and flamings. And yes, you are about to start one.
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First of all, we're talking 17k people in a single server, something that traditional MMORPGs who offer seperate servers cannot support. From a technical point of view, it is an amazing thing.
Secondly, Blizzard was a well known company with many hardcore fans for their RTS titles. Not that WoW's success is any less amazing, but considering that CCP had no previous released titles and EVE is keeping an inceasing number of subscriptions since its release, they are quite successful. And it's not often that an MMORPG that exists for quite some long time is able to have such a good, steady increase in subscriptions.
to be really honest, i think 3 years should be more then enough to give your company a good name, especialy after so many advertising. i find it quite funny they only reach 17k people online (i really don't care if its on the same server or not) after all those advertisements, fanboy advertisements on this forum and being overhyped all the way to #1 rank.
"And how many fans did blizzard have before WoW and how many fans did the Warcraft series geenrate before WoW? CCP (EVE) was a group of 5 guys. They never made a game before and they did it all from scratch in Iceland. WoW has a freakin multi-million dollar staff base to work with with headquarters all over the place"
yes, but EVE now also has offices in multiple country's and is now also a big company. and for how long has EVE been running? 3 years? WoW is still pretty new. you will never hear me say it isn't impressive growing from 5 man to a big company, but now that they are a big company, i would expect a lot more.
the highest amount of ppl on a wow server is 4k i think compare that too 17 k and u see the picture , and wow dont got 4 mil subscribers anymore alot of ppl had quit but they dont count them
Funny...that's exactly what I said when I saw the announcement. Oh my, not again.
C'mon you've got to admit that it's ridiculous making announcements when all you've done is break your own record by a couple of hundred people. I wouldn't have a problem if they announced it when they broke through the 18,000 barrier (or more appropriately the 20,000 barrier). But to have it announced as a news item in mmorpg.com is a bit of a joke just for an extra couple of hundred people. I doubt it would even make it as a news announcement on ANY OTHER mmorpg related site.
(Oh, and I know it's your website and forums and all mods but I posted this in General for a reason...it's about a NEWS ITEM not about the game EVE. It's your decision to move it, but I feel it's the wrong decision.)
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First of all, CCP still only has 1 office in Iceland. They recently moved their office but I think it's still in Iceland. The servers are in London but that's not their office.
Second of all, 17,000 players on one server is impressive. If it was so easy to accomplish, other MMORPGs would have long ago done the same.
Lastly, subscriber numbers do not indicate the quality of a game. Let's cite several real-life examples. How many people play CounterStrike? Now how many people play Red Orchestra? Big difference in number of players, but Red Orchestra is in no way a crappy game just because not many players play it (it won the Make Something Unreal contest after all). Same thing with Starcraft and Rise of Nations and Civilization 4.
The general trend seems to be that the simpler the game and the more arcade-y it is, the more it draws out the casual gaming crowd. However, that does not mean games who don't have as many players suck.
If you are going to bash EVE Online for its fanboys, you'll have to bash every other game's fanboys too. EVE has no more and possibly less fanboys than other MMORPGs.
Eve is actually fresh and groundbreaking. There is no other game like Eve. WoW is a me-too copy of every other RPG/Fantasy game that has ever been out for the past 15 years.
Magic swords fairydust blah blah blah.
The fact is the vast majority of MMORPG players like having everything handed to them with no risk.
Think about it. You can't fail at WoW. It is not possible to fail at WoW. No matter how inept you are, you WILL make 60, you WILL get a mount and you WILL have a body full of blue/purple stuff. And NOBODY can ever ever ever take anything from you, no matter how many times they kill you, no matter what happens, you will ALWAYS be a man-god.
That is WoW.
Fact is Eve has a low playerbase because its not for everybody. It's an adult game with an adult theme.
I've had corpmates quit Eve after losing their battleship, you should hear them, it's funny hearing someone on teamspeak after they lost a ship, it's like they want to cry. Of course from a third-party prospective you know it's no big deal to lose a ship, but for some people it just hits them very hard and they can't handle it, so they cry and run off to go play WoW.
One of the Corp Directors was actually a RL female, she played the game for like 2 years, almost all that time spent in 0.0 but one day someone killed her Thorax and I guess she couldn't handle it anymore. She sounded upset on TS then one day she posted on the boards that she was moving to WoW.
Eve is an adult game with an adult theme. Not everybody can handle it.
Me personally I love it to death, it's the best game out, its rating is not only well deserved but it's underrated. Anybody can make a sword/sorcery game for 2000 people. But there is only 1 Eve, nobody else has a 17000 player server, nobody else has this kind of rich open pvp, nobody else has this kind of rich crafting and industry, its just awesome in every dept.
Some people say it's slow, but those are carebears who think they need 40 million SP to fight.
Listen. If you don't fight with 250k sp, you won't fight with 40 mil sp either. You are scared of conflict, and will always be scared.
A 250k sp player in a cheap frigate who knows what he is doing is a bigger asset than a 40mil sp player who is afraid to undock because he might lose his 4 billion isk Navy Raven and a headfull of +4 implants.
Fact is, if you have brains and balls, you can be a player in Eve in the first week.
But like I said, its not for everybody. Most people can't handle Eve.
And that's fine. For those people, I recommend....tadaaaaa...World of Warcraft.
Great game WoW. Played it for a couple months, it was fun as hell, but leaves you with a hollow feelings, because theres no challenge, no winners and no losers, nothing to fight for.
Yeah, I supose a privately run company who is netting millions of dollars every year off of their work must be "struggling" especialy when they have to make special airline arrangements to get peoples flight into Iceland for a 3 day fanfest which only talks about the game the produce.
I mean, wow, must suck for them , eh ?
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Great game WoW. Played it for a couple months, it was fun as hell, but leaves you with a hollow feelings, because theres no challenge, no winners and no losers, nothing to fight for.
Sorry...but what the hell does this have to do with my OP...it's just mindless blather about EVE and more mindless blathering WoW-bashing. Did I mention WoW in my OP...no. The point of this thread is the boring-repetitiveness of proclaiming new SELF-MADE (and self-broken) artificial records over and over again.
It's fair enough that they do it on their own site, but I really think that there's a problem (an objectivity problem IMHO) when they continually make it onto this site in the form of "newsworthy" articles. The "news" article I was referring to seems to have disappeared from the site though (at least off the front page of links) and so maybe my point has been realised. (EDIT: Nah, it hasn't it just got pushed off quickly by a bunch of other links)
Your issue is with this site and their "news" articles not EvE if what your saying above is true. Take it up with them.
One other thing, the 17k broken barrier, is impressive, technically. CCP have every right to crow about it.
Another thing. CCP's "marketing" of this game has been extremely low key. In fact it has been almost non-existent, in comparative terms, to the marketing of most other MMO. Especially the likes of DAoC, WoW, EQ etc.
It has been said by CCP themselves that this has been a result of two things : (1)this is the way they want it ~ they make a very decent living/profit as is, and (2) they don't have the financial clout to push it much further anyway. Most people who actaully find the game do so from word of mouth or on-line forums. The largest market for MMO is in the US and the Far East. The largest player base for EvE is Europe.
Recently, in conjunction with hardware upgrades, CCP are starting to increase their marketing campaign, offering 14 day free trials, they have had some extra exposure in gaming mags, etc. This has attracted newer players to the game, which is why they are getting new records (more people playing, hardware that can handle the increase in players) and they are looking to promote the game in the Far East.
This is a 3 year old game now, however, if your brutally honest about it, you could say it has been a 3 year Beta, allbeit a very good one. It stands up to any other MMO out there in terms of graphics and sound. The gameplay is still, and if anything more, deep than ever. I am guessing that with the next release (Red Moon Rising) it will get even better. This will attract even more players.
I get the feeling CCP are almost at the point where they have enough of their own financial clout to promote this game a lot more than they have done now, and like any business, they will do so to increase players and revenue. Going by the last 3 years though, they will do this at a pace to suit them, not anyone else, while retaining the qualoty and stability that has kept the playerbase over the last 3 years while increasing the amount of new subscribers. It also comes at a point where a lot of gamers are simply getting sick and tired of the same old stuff from fantasy MMO, and are activley looking for a different MMO. They find out about EvE from online forums such as this...and the circle repeats. The main difference being that those who play the game more often than not stay with the game, for a very long period of time compared to other MMO. Years, not months.
I don't know if your simply an attention seeking troll, or have some sort of grudge against CCP, the game EvE itself, or it's playerbase. Whatever the reason behind your post, it makes you look pretty stupid, as you have very little idea of the technical acheivement, and just how groundbreaking it is, and that is why it is Newsworthy. It does get tiring when these news articles pop up all the time, but then again, the record keeps getting broken on a regular basis. If you object so strongly to them, take it up with this site, or stop reading them. Either way, stop trolling.
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1. I posted this in the GENERAL forums originally (and MMORPG.COM moved it here) it was not addressed to EVE or EVE gamers. My problem (as I've clarified in this thread) is with the record being announced all the time. I'd much rather they'd left this thread in General, but I have to resign myself to being silenced and howled down on this topic by the mods and or the rabid EVE fans.
2. My opinion of the game EVE isn't the issue here. (I don't think it's good or interesting, and I don't think there is much of a technical achievement in having 17,000 on one server at one time, seeing as there isn't any real interaction with the environment at all, and 200 people in one spot crashes the server anyway)
3. CCP is a great success story, and I don't have any problem with them.
4. I have no problem with EVE players, until they start slamming the maturity, intelligence and overall integrity of people who don't like EVE (for whatever reason); EVE players seem to get intensely agravated when they hear someone doesn't like their game, and it's THEM who look stupid in most posts, with their vindictive ridicule of non EVE-lovers.
5. I had shut-up on the EVE topic, until the "news" article came out proclaiming a tiny and incremental "so-called" record. And I will shut-up about it again...now...mainly because it's just wasting my breath.