OMG yes. I don't believe there's a single AAA sandbox right now like Ultima Online (or in general). I've tried every one that's out there, and most of them, to be honest, SUCK. Most of the so-called sandbox games out there now aren't even close to AAA titles. The graphics and gameplay sucks, they are full of bugs, let alone completely unfinished, unpolished, stable, etc. (good example, Mortal Online. What a piece of trash).
There are WAY too many theme-parks, and most are exactly the same with just a new coat of graphics. None of them have any exploration. It's just a fairly linear romp from one predefined area to the next that puts me to sleep...The monsters are ALWAYS in the exact same place, especially all those instances which are identical each time you run them, which I find mindless and boring. Then there's that rush to "end-game" which I absolutely hate, nor understand.. but I guess if the game offers nothing else, that's what players do.
Don't even get me started on the never ending stream of Asian-made games that almost identical in design and gameplay, just with slightly different graphics. Most are unpolished and the gameplay mechanics are terrible. Talk about mindless cookie-cutter garbage. Bleah. Wow, another game that lets be choose between tank/fighter, thief/ranger, priest, and mage. What a new concept! By all means, keep churning out games like this over and over again. Zzzzzzz.
I'd bring back an open world game like Ultima Online, with a 2013+ engine, graphics, sound, etc, and add dynamic events like Rift and other games have added. There's a reason why UO is STILL running.
I'd add a real sense of danger as well, that most new games lack completely. For example, I tried Neverwinter and found it completely mindless and challenge-less. I liked GW2 more, mostly for the exploration aspects, but again, it's easy-mode. You can solo most of the outside areas, if not all, and I never ever felt like I was in danger of dying, and if I did, I didn't care because there's almost no penalty for it.
Most games now have PVE just to get your toon ready for PVP. I think that's a terrible design. I mean, awful. The PVE should be a great alternative to PVP that people can choose to enjoy over PVP, instead of just using it to get strong enough for PVP. A player should also be able to do both, where both types of play are challenging. True coop gameplay is great too, and most games now focus on soloing, with groups only needed for instances. Puke.
I'd create a living, breathing world, where you can do anything you want, with the main focus put back on exploration and discovery, which is almost never the same twice. I grew up on RPG's that let you explore and find new areas, monsters, treasure, etc. I can't find a single AAA game that offers that (maybe Eve, but I didn't care for it. Way too boring for me).
I'd remove mindless ganker/griefer pvp completely, but allow pvp (I won't elaborate how right now, but I have many thoughts about this in mind). You can't go around the world and beat the shit out of a baby and then take it's pacifier without prison, a mob of people ripping you apart, and so on. Also, there's no gain in the real world from beating up a child, then stealing every worthless item they have on them... so, I'm not sure why this is allowed in any video game. I'd allow players to be somewhat immoral, but I'd introduce morality systems, like reputation, bounties, even npcs that hunt you down like the animal you are, that have been done before, but never implemented very well. I did always like a criminal element in games, which could even have their own town, hideout, etc.
I'd make herds of creatures roaming the countryside. They would vigorously protect their young ones, just like in the real world. The creatures would vary wildly, again, like UO. Some could use teamwork to defeat you, poison you, immobilize you, and even hunt, which I NEVER see in video games. I'd like to roam around the countryside being stalked by creatures or humanoids that pick up your scent, track you in other ways, etc. A real sense of danger.
I'd allow intelligent humanoid npcs to build forts, structures, traps, communities, that you could either attack, steal from, barter with, etc, including reputation systems, faction building, etc. If you worked for a certain village, cult, etc, you could get new skills found nowhere else in the game, get an npc from the villiage to help you or work for you, etc.
I'd also add destructible environments than can be repaired by enemies, players, etc. I see NONE of this in games. I'd like to be able to take over a fort with fellow players, and take control of it. I'd like to see mobs do the same thing. You could visit a fort being attacked by NPC's fighting for control of it, and each time you go there, it could be abandoned, owned my different intelligent races, etc.
These are just a few of my ideas. I don't want to spill them all.
My game would be generic mmorpg except I would implement atleast these features in it:
- No bop or boe items
- some low level items would be useful at higher level
- some low level items would be extremely imbalanced to their level
- some items would require only attributes(str,dex,int etc.) and no levels.
- No automatic character attributes. You have to place them yourself and make choices.
- attributes determines what kind of character you are and which skills and items you could learn/wear
- every "class" would have some extremely useful active skills that gets unlocked at certain level so that people would enjoy reaching those milestones. (for example vanilla wow had mostly boring skills for many of the classes compared to what I was used to having with earlier mmorpgs)
- passive skills could be leveled up and they wouldn't be meaningless(swords skill, magic, bows. etc) . These would be mini milestones with active skills and character levels. Some items requires passive skill level.
-tradeskills(cooking, harvesting, mining, building lots of lots of things,all kinds of crafting). I would include lots of customization possibilites through crafting. mounts could be replaced with crafted steam cars which would be very expensive. Yeah something like that.
- atleast one zone would be exclusively for low and mid level characters where there will be both pvp and pve content with increased drop rates
- whatever needed to have player based economy without too much inflation
- some very rare and useful drops you could find with small group or alone.
- wow style pve progression with some mediocre to very hard instances at max level just ilke in vanilla wow
- guilds could earn pve and pvp points. best guilds in server would get added benefits. these points could be lost depending if a guild starts to function badly in these activities.
Wouldn't even require that much. I'd say that 10 million is sufficient allready to produce a AAA-MMO.
That wasn't the question, though.
Could you produce a AAA MMO on a budget of $100 million?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
You get experienced coders who have worked on other titles.
You get them to work for you because you offer them a chance to make a great game, and when they find out they don't have to compromise their ideas in order to meet money deadlines, they will flock to you!
I think your being far too pessimistic.
No more pessimistic than you are idealistic.
Coming from someone who crys about every game, because its not perfect, or solo enough.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
You get experienced coders who have worked on other titles.
You get them to work for you because you offer them a chance to make a great game, and when they find out they don't have to compromise their ideas in order to meet money deadlines, they will flock to you!
I think your being far too pessimistic.
No more pessimistic than you are idealistic.
Coming from someone who crys about every game, because its not perfect, or solo enough.
Going to call you on that one. Seriously, dude... it's one thing to make stuff up and try to get away with it, but it's another to try to pull that off when anyone can look through my post history and see your just lying out your ass. Uncalled for.
Would be great if you could link something to support that or post a retraction.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
30 million on customer support and post-release features/expansions
40 million on marketing
It will be out in 2.5 years. Bam!
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I think I could pick a team that could produce a AAA MMO. My part would be the money and an idea and that would be it though.
If we're not saying actually programming one ourselves, then I agree with this. Have an idea and funding, and you will get people to take you seriously enough to hear you out and get interested. If you're overseeing the project, it's more about project management than about technical skills. You don't need to micromanage every detail if you hire the right people for the project.
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You get experienced coders who have worked on other titles.
You get them to work for you because you offer them a chance to make a great game, and when they find out they don't have to compromise their ideas in order to meet money deadlines, they will flock to you!
I think your being far too pessimistic.
No more pessimistic than you are idealistic.
Coming from someone who crys about every game, because its not perfect, or solo enough.
Going to call you on that one. Seriously, dude... it's one thing to make stuff up and try to get away with it, but it's another to try to pull that off when anyone can look through my post history and see your just lying out your ass. Uncalled for.
Would be great if you could link something to support that or post a retraction.
Referring mainly to the thread about "group play over solo play", perhaps your memory is failing you.
Your pessimism is common knowledge to anyone who frequents these boards.
30 million on customer support and post-release features/expansions
40 million on marketing
It will be out in 2.5 years. Bam!
Is that for your MMO or your campaign for world domination?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
You get experienced coders who have worked on other titles.
You get them to work for you because you offer them a chance to make a great game, and when they find out they don't have to compromise their ideas in order to meet money deadlines, they will flock to you!
I think your being far too pessimistic.
No more pessimistic than you are idealistic.
Coming from someone who crys about every game, because its not perfect, or solo enough.
Going to call you on that one. Seriously, dude... it's one thing to make stuff up and try to get away with it, but it's another to try to pull that off when anyone can look through my post history and see your just lying out your ass. Uncalled for.
Would be great if you could link something to support that or post a retraction.
Referring mainly to the thread about "group play over solo play", perhaps your memory is failing you.
Your pessimism is common knowledge to anyone who frequents these boards.
So... no links to me crying a game isn't perfect or that it isn't solo enough? Well, I knew that was the case, aaaand I probably should have guessed you wouldn't man up and apologize, so let's get back on topic and lay off the ad hominems, especially when they're just made up bullshit.
Cheers!
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
First step, target a player audience and focus on making the best game for them, and not a game for everyone. Don't compromise Your main ideas and principles, but stay open enough to make the changes needed. Chase the elusive fun factor and have your target audience in sight at all times.
I guess it is a matter of surrounding yourself with the right people, and that is probably one of the hardest parts because You will not really know if they were the right people till the project succeed or fail. Anyways, hand me the money and I will let you know in 3 years time.
First step, target a player audience and focus on making the best game for them, and not a game for everyone. Don't compromise Your main ideas and principles, but stay open enough to make the changes needed. Chase the elusive fun factor and have your target audience in sight at all times.
I guess it is a matter of surrounding yourself with the right people, and that is probably one of the hardest parts because You will not really know if they were the right people till the project succeed or fail. Anyways, hand me the money and I will let you know in 3 years time.
The target audience seems to be the one that went out the window post-WOW. Prior to that, it seemed MMOs were more focused on who they were designed for. I think one of the biggest problems is the temptation to expand things a bit in each direction because jsut a little broader scope means a much wider net to cast, however that usually waters down the core gameplay so that it no longer appeals even to that specific audience.
Puzzle Pirates, Furcadia, EVE, ATITD, There, SWG, Project Entropia... all the pre-2004 MMOs seemed to have a particular type of player at the core of their vision. Not so much anymore.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
OMG yes. I don't believe there's a single AAA sandbox right now like Ultima Online (or in general). I've tried every one that's out there, and most of them, to be honest, SUCK. Most of the so-called sandbox games out there now aren't even close to AAA titles. The graphics and gameplay sucks, they are full of bugs, let alone completely unfinished, unpolished, stable, etc. (good example, Mortal Online. What a piece of trash).
There are WAY too many theme-parks, and most are exactly the same with just a new coat of graphics. None of them have any exploration. It's just a fairly linear romp from one predefined area to the next that puts me to sleep...The monsters are ALWAYS in the exact same place, especially all those instances which are identical each time you run them, which I find mindless and boring. Then there's that rush to "end-game" which I absolutely hate, nor understand.. but I guess if the game offers nothing else, that's what players do.
Don't even get me started on the never ending stream of Asian-made games that almost identical in design and gameplay, just with slightly different graphics. Most are unpolished and the gameplay mechanics are terrible. Talk about mindless cookie-cutter garbage. Bleah. Wow, another game that lets be choose between tank/fighter, thief/ranger, priest, and mage. What a new concept! By all means, keep churning out games like this over and over again. Zzzzzzz.
I'd bring back an open world game like Ultima Online, with a 2013+ engine, graphics, sound, etc, and add dynamic events like Rift and other games have added. There's a reason why UO is STILL running.
I'd add a real sense of danger as well, that most new games lack completely. For example, I tried Neverwinter and found it completely mindless and challenge-less. I liked GW2 more, mostly for the exploration aspects, but again, it's easy-mode. You can solo most of the outside areas, if not all, and I never ever felt like I was in danger of dying, and if I did, I didn't care because there's almost no penalty for it.
Most games now have PVE just to get your toon ready for PVP. I think that's a terrible design. I mean, awful. The PVE should be a great alternative to PVP that people can choose to enjoy over PVP, instead of just using it to get strong enough for PVP. A player should also be able to do both, where both types of play are challenging. True coop gameplay is great too, and most games now focus on soloing, with groups only needed for instances. Puke.
I'd create a living, breathing world, where you can do anything you want, with the main focus put back on exploration and discovery, which is almost never the same twice. I grew up on RPG's that let you explore and find new areas, monsters, treasure, etc. I can't find a single AAA game that offers that (maybe Eve, but I didn't care for it. Way too boring for me).
I'd remove mindless ganker/griefer pvp completely, but allow pvp (I won't elaborate how right now, but I have many thoughts about this in mind). You can't go around the world and beat the shit out of a baby and then take it's pacifier without prison, a mob of people ripping you apart, and so on. Also, there's no gain in the real world from beating up a child, then stealing every worthless item they have on them... so, I'm not sure why this is allowed in any video game. I'd allow players to be somewhat immoral, but I'd introduce morality systems, like reputation, bounties, even npcs that hunt you down like the animal you are, that have been done before, but never implemented very well. I did always like a criminal element in games, which could even have their own town, hideout, etc.
I'd make herds of creatures roaming the countryside. They would vigorously protect their young ones, just like in the real world. The creatures would vary wildly, again, like UO. Some could use teamwork to defeat you, poison you, immobilize you, and even hunt, which I NEVER see in video games. I'd like to roam around the countryside being stalked by creatures or humanoids that pick up your scent, track you in other ways, etc. A real sense of danger.
I'd allow intelligent humanoid npcs to build forts, structures, traps, communities, that you could either attack, steal from, barter with, etc, including reputation systems, faction building, etc. If you worked for a certain village, cult, etc, you could get new skills found nowhere else in the game, get an npc from the villiage to help you or work for you, etc.
I'd also add destructible environments than can be repaired by enemies, players, etc. I see NONE of this in games. I'd like to be able to take over a fort with fellow players, and take control of it. I'd like to see mobs do the same thing. You could visit a fort being attacked by NPC's fighting for control of it, and each time you go there, it could be abandoned, owned my different intelligent races, etc.
These are just a few of my ideas. I don't want to spill them all.
I'll probably never see a game like this. So sad.
This is a positively brilliant idea for a game. I would love to play this!
I would love to implement a game that mixes the best of all the games I love which would be UO+DaoC+WaR plus other fun elements from other games which aren't great as a whole but I like some aspects like WoW. If I had the funds I could totally make it work.
You know, given $100 million you probably could. you would essentially become the backer.
Then you would do a little research figure out what you needed to start such a project, depending upon what your background was you would either hire a business manager or be the business manager. For this little experiment, I could be the business manager based on my background.
I'd get all the nuts and bolts such as payroll, becoming a corporation, H.R., finding a space and taking care of the lease (you know the nuts and bolts non-fun stuff) etc together and you would then hire the appropriate people to actually manage and run the game design and building.
You would have to do this in conjunction with your first hire who would be the person who actually knew what a game design team was supposed to be.
So essentially you would figure out your role, small or large and hire the people who could make this happen.
If you were an artist and were good you could be on the art team, maybe spearhead the art design. Since I'm a composer I would probably take care of all the music.
This could be done.
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Nobody here could produce a better mmo than what is being produced unless you've had experience in the industry, i am not surprised that people on this site think they could though. know it all's much.
OMG yes. I don't believe there's a single AAA sandbox right now like Ultima Online (or in general). I've tried every one that's out there, and most of them, to be honest, SUCK. Most of the so-called sandbox games out there now aren't even close to AAA titles. The graphics and gameplay sucks, they are full of bugs, let alone completely unfinished, unpolished, stable, etc. (good example, Mortal Online. What a piece of trash).
There are WAY too many theme-parks, and most are exactly the same with just a new coat of graphics. None of them have any exploration. It's just a fairly linear romp from one predefined area to the next that puts me to sleep...The monsters are ALWAYS in the exact same place, especially all those instances which are identical each time you run them, which I find mindless and boring. Then there's that rush to "end-game" which I absolutely hate, nor understand.. but I guess if the game offers nothing else, that's what players do.
Don't even get me started on the never ending stream of Asian-made games that almost identical in design and gameplay, just with slightly different graphics. Most are unpolished and the gameplay mechanics are terrible. Talk about mindless cookie-cutter garbage. Bleah. Wow, another game that lets be choose between tank/fighter, thief/ranger, priest, and mage. What a new concept! By all means, keep churning out games like this over and over again. Zzzzzzz.
I'd bring back an open world game like Ultima Online, with a 2013+ engine, graphics, sound, etc, and add dynamic events like Rift and other games have added. There's a reason why UO is STILL running.
I'd add a real sense of danger as well, that most new games lack completely. For example, I tried Neverwinter and found it completely mindless and challenge-less. I liked GW2 more, mostly for the exploration aspects, but again, it's easy-mode. You can solo most of the outside areas, if not all, and I never ever felt like I was in danger of dying, and if I did, I didn't care because there's almost no penalty for it.
Most games now have PVE just to get your toon ready for PVP. I think that's a terrible design. I mean, awful. The PVE should be a great alternative to PVP that people can choose to enjoy over PVP, instead of just using it to get strong enough for PVP. A player should also be able to do both, where both types of play are challenging. True coop gameplay is great too, and most games now focus on soloing, with groups only needed for instances. Puke.
I'd create a living, breathing world, where you can do anything you want, with the main focus put back on exploration and discovery, which is almost never the same twice. I grew up on RPG's that let you explore and find new areas, monsters, treasure, etc. I can't find a single AAA game that offers that (maybe Eve, but I didn't care for it. Way too boring for me).
I'd remove mindless ganker/griefer pvp completely, but allow pvp (I won't elaborate how right now, but I have many thoughts about this in mind). You can't go around the world and beat the shit out of a baby and then take it's pacifier without prison, a mob of people ripping you apart, and so on. Also, there's no gain in the real world from beating up a child, then stealing every worthless item they have on them... so, I'm not sure why this is allowed in any video game. I'd allow players to be somewhat immoral, but I'd introduce morality systems, like reputation, bounties, even npcs that hunt you down like the animal you are, that have been done before, but never implemented very well. I did always like a criminal element in games, which could even have their own town, hideout, etc.
I'd make herds of creatures roaming the countryside. They would vigorously protect their young ones, just like in the real world. The creatures would vary wildly, again, like UO. Some could use teamwork to defeat you, poison you, immobilize you, and even hunt, which I NEVER see in video games. I'd like to roam around the countryside being stalked by creatures or humanoids that pick up your scent, track you in other ways, etc. A real sense of danger.
I'd allow intelligent humanoid npcs to build forts, structures, traps, communities, that you could either attack, steal from, barter with, etc, including reputation systems, faction building, etc. If you worked for a certain village, cult, etc, you could get new skills found nowhere else in the game, get an npc from the villiage to help you or work for you, etc.
I'd also add destructible environments than can be repaired by enemies, players, etc. I see NONE of this in games. I'd like to be able to take over a fort with fellow players, and take control of it. I'd like to see mobs do the same thing. You could visit a fort being attacked by NPC's fighting for control of it, and each time you go there, it could be abandoned, owned my different intelligent races, etc.
These are just a few of my ideas. I don't want to spill them all.
I'll probably never see a game like this. So sad.
This is a positively brilliant idea for a game. I would love to play this!
I would love to implement a game that mixes the best of all the games I love which would be UO+DaoC+WaR plus other fun elements from other games which aren't great as a whole but I like some aspects like WoW. If I had the funds I could totally make it work.
Happy, do you happen to have a thread/post where you detail your Sandboxish PvP ideas? I'd be interested to see what you have in mind. PM me if you'd like. I'm one of those guys who enjoys PvP when done right, especially open world type PvP. I'd like to know what others think about it, on a (possibly) more intellectual level.
There's a 100 page notebook on my desk filled with any MMO related ideas that randomly pop into my head.
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Strongest trait: making maps. Made a bunch of them in any game that allowed it, including cashgrabwinter. Have done extensive research into environment design. My maps are the most realistic and good looking, bla bla bla.
- Multi tiered subscription model, or different Power levels, where the higher you are the more options you have in how you play the game. Lowest level would be free to play and can only play as a lowly soldier, the highest Power level could play as a Nobel Lord and own land, conquer more lands and build castles.
- 5 Factions, 4 factions fighting over the remains of the declining Empire faction
- Clearly defined main goals for each faction, and multiple sub goals that will increase the factions overall strength once achieved. Include the ability for each faction to subvert other factions goals in some way.
- Large land battles that can only occur once certain conditions are met, such as when certain faction goals are achieved.
- Diplomacy with non-aligned races or groups. The non-aligned groups can switch sides if your faction is not careful.
- Will make group play the norm not the exception.
- Crafting
- The Vassal function that will allow internal faction alignments to Noble Lords. A faction element within your own overall faction. These factions can also compete for resources in the world.
- Real economy, with limited resources being produced and fought over.
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OMG yes. I don't believe there's a single AAA sandbox right now like Ultima Online (or in general). I've tried every one that's out there, and most of them, to be honest, SUCK. Most of the so-called sandbox games out there now aren't even close to AAA titles. The graphics and gameplay sucks, they are full of bugs, let alone completely unfinished, unpolished, stable, etc. (good example, Mortal Online. What a piece of trash).
There are WAY too many theme-parks, and most are exactly the same with just a new coat of graphics. None of them have any exploration. It's just a fairly linear romp from one predefined area to the next that puts me to sleep...The monsters are ALWAYS in the exact same place, especially all those instances which are identical each time you run them, which I find mindless and boring. Then there's that rush to "end-game" which I absolutely hate, nor understand.. but I guess if the game offers nothing else, that's what players do.
Don't even get me started on the never ending stream of Asian-made games that almost identical in design and gameplay, just with slightly different graphics. Most are unpolished and the gameplay mechanics are terrible. Talk about mindless cookie-cutter garbage. Bleah. Wow, another game that lets be choose between tank/fighter, thief/ranger, priest, and mage. What a new concept! By all means, keep churning out games like this over and over again. Zzzzzzz.
I'd bring back an open world game like Ultima Online, with a 2013+ engine, graphics, sound, etc, and add dynamic events like Rift and other games have added. There's a reason why UO is STILL running.
I'd add a real sense of danger as well, that most new games lack completely. For example, I tried Neverwinter and found it completely mindless and challenge-less. I liked GW2 more, mostly for the exploration aspects, but again, it's easy-mode. You can solo most of the outside areas, if not all, and I never ever felt like I was in danger of dying, and if I did, I didn't care because there's almost no penalty for it.
Most games now have PVE just to get your toon ready for PVP. I think that's a terrible design. I mean, awful. The PVE should be a great alternative to PVP that people can choose to enjoy over PVP, instead of just using it to get strong enough for PVP. A player should also be able to do both, where both types of play are challenging. True coop gameplay is great too, and most games now focus on soloing, with groups only needed for instances. Puke.
I'd create a living, breathing world, where you can do anything you want, with the main focus put back on exploration and discovery, which is almost never the same twice. I grew up on RPG's that let you explore and find new areas, monsters, treasure, etc. I can't find a single AAA game that offers that (maybe Eve, but I didn't care for it. Way too boring for me).
I'd remove mindless ganker/griefer pvp completely, but allow pvp (I won't elaborate how right now, but I have many thoughts about this in mind). You can't go around the world and beat the shit out of a baby and then take it's pacifier without prison, a mob of people ripping you apart, and so on. Also, there's no gain in the real world from beating up a child, then stealing every worthless item they have on them... so, I'm not sure why this is allowed in any video game. I'd allow players to be somewhat immoral, but I'd introduce morality systems, like reputation, bounties, even npcs that hunt you down like the animal you are, that have been done before, but never implemented very well. I did always like a criminal element in games, which could even have their own town, hideout, etc.
I'd make herds of creatures roaming the countryside. They would vigorously protect their young ones, just like in the real world. The creatures would vary wildly, again, like UO. Some could use teamwork to defeat you, poison you, immobilize you, and even hunt, which I NEVER see in video games. I'd like to roam around the countryside being stalked by creatures or humanoids that pick up your scent, track you in other ways, etc. A real sense of danger.
I'd allow intelligent humanoid npcs to build forts, structures, traps, communities, that you could either attack, steal from, barter with, etc, including reputation systems, faction building, etc. If you worked for a certain village, cult, etc, you could get new skills found nowhere else in the game, get an npc from the villiage to help you or work for you, etc.
I'd also add destructible environments than can be repaired by enemies, players, etc. I see NONE of this in games. I'd like to be able to take over a fort with fellow players, and take control of it. I'd like to see mobs do the same thing. You could visit a fort being attacked by NPC's fighting for control of it, and each time you go there, it could be abandoned, owned my different intelligent races, etc.
These are just a few of my ideas. I don't want to spill them all.
I'll probably never see a game like this. So sad.
My game would be generic mmorpg except I would implement atleast these features in it:
- No bop or boe items
- some low level items would be useful at higher level
- some low level items would be extremely imbalanced to their level
- some items would require only attributes(str,dex,int etc.) and no levels.
- No automatic character attributes. You have to place them yourself and make choices.
- attributes determines what kind of character you are and which skills and items you could learn/wear
- every "class" would have some extremely useful active skills that gets unlocked at certain level so that people would enjoy reaching those milestones. (for example vanilla wow had mostly boring skills for many of the classes compared to what I was used to having with earlier mmorpgs)
- passive skills could be leveled up and they wouldn't be meaningless(swords skill, magic, bows. etc) . These would be mini milestones with active skills and character levels. Some items requires passive skill level.
-tradeskills(cooking, harvesting, mining, building lots of lots of things,all kinds of crafting). I would include lots of customization possibilites through crafting. mounts could be replaced with crafted steam cars which would be very expensive. Yeah something like that.
- atleast one zone would be exclusively for low and mid level characters where there will be both pvp and pve content with increased drop rates
- whatever needed to have player based economy without too much inflation
- some very rare and useful drops you could find with small group or alone.
- wow style pve progression with some mediocre to very hard instances at max level just ilke in vanilla wow
- guilds could earn pve and pvp points. best guilds in server would get added benefits. these points could be lost depending if a guild starts to function badly in these activities.
- first person view possible
- no tab targeting
- harsh penalties for dying in some zones
- alignment system
yup sounds good
That wasn't the question, though.
Could you produce a AAA MMO on a budget of $100 million?
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"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Yes.
Now where is my money?
Coming from someone who crys about every game, because its not perfect, or solo enough.
Exactly, and look at how many peeps we got here who think it would be impossible.
I have never seen so much pessimism on any board here at MMORPG, and that's saying a lot!!
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Going to call you on that one. Seriously, dude... it's one thing to make stuff up and try to get away with it, but it's another to try to pull that off when anyone can look through my post history and see your just lying out your ass. Uncalled for.
Would be great if you could link something to support that or post a retraction.
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"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Sure.
2 million on coding and architecture
28 million on artwork and polish
30 million on customer support and post-release features/expansions
40 million on marketing
It will be out in 2.5 years. Bam!
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If we're not saying actually programming one ourselves, then I agree with this. Have an idea and funding, and you will get people to take you seriously enough to hear you out and get interested. If you're overseeing the project, it's more about project management than about technical skills. You don't need to micromanage every detail if you hire the right people for the project.
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Referring mainly to the thread about "group play over solo play", perhaps your memory is failing you.
Your pessimism is common knowledge to anyone who frequents these boards.
Is that for your MMO or your campaign for world domination?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
So... no links to me crying a game isn't perfect or that it isn't solo enough? Well, I knew that was the case, aaaand I probably should have guessed you wouldn't man up and apologize, so let's get back on topic and lay off the ad hominems, especially when they're just made up bullshit.
Cheers!
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
First step, target a player audience and focus on making the best game for them, and not a game for everyone. Don't compromise Your main ideas and principles, but stay open enough to make the changes needed. Chase the elusive fun factor and have your target audience in sight at all times.
I guess it is a matter of surrounding yourself with the right people, and that is probably one of the hardest parts because You will not really know if they were the right people till the project succeed or fail. Anyways, hand me the money and I will let you know in 3 years time.
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The target audience seems to be the one that went out the window post-WOW. Prior to that, it seemed MMOs were more focused on who they were designed for. I think one of the biggest problems is the temptation to expand things a bit in each direction because jsut a little broader scope means a much wider net to cast, however that usually waters down the core gameplay so that it no longer appeals even to that specific audience.
Puzzle Pirates, Furcadia, EVE, ATITD, There, SWG, Project Entropia... all the pre-2004 MMOs seemed to have a particular type of player at the core of their vision. Not so much anymore.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
This is a positively brilliant idea for a game. I would love to play this!
I would love to implement a game that mixes the best of all the games I love which would be UO+DaoC+WaR plus other fun elements from other games which aren't great as a whole but I like some aspects like WoW. If I had the funds I could totally make it work.
Why would I need to? I just got 100 million dollars handed to me because I said I'd make an MMO.
LOLing all the way to the bank... wait... isn't that what they do now?
You know, given $100 million you probably could. you would essentially become the backer.
Then you would do a little research figure out what you needed to start such a project, depending upon what your background was you would either hire a business manager or be the business manager. For this little experiment, I could be the business manager based on my background.
I'd get all the nuts and bolts such as payroll, becoming a corporation, H.R., finding a space and taking care of the lease (you know the nuts and bolts non-fun stuff) etc together and you would then hire the appropriate people to actually manage and run the game design and building.
You would have to do this in conjunction with your first hire who would be the person who actually knew what a game design team was supposed to be.
So essentially you would figure out your role, small or large and hire the people who could make this happen.
If you were an artist and were good you could be on the art team, maybe spearhead the art design. Since I'm a composer I would probably take care of all the music.
This could be done.
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Happy, do you happen to have a thread/post where you detail your Sandboxish PvP ideas? I'd be interested to see what you have in mind. PM me if you'd like. I'm one of those guys who enjoys PvP when done right, especially open world type PvP. I'd like to know what others think about it, on a (possibly) more intellectual level.
It is moderately difficult to make a fun multi-player persistent world game with a fraction of the cost (under a mil USD).
It takes lots of vision, time, effort, will, and basic leadership skills.
Oh, you also need to know how online games are built technically.
But totally doable. There are many of us that have done it. You can to.
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There's a 100 page notebook on my desk filled with any MMO related ideas that randomly pop into my head.
My coding experience: I know how to change font size in html
Strongest trait: making maps. Made a bunch of them in any game that allowed it, including cashgrabwinter. Have done extensive research into environment design. My maps are the most realistic and good looking, bla bla bla.
No, I couldn't.
My Game would include:
- A Dark Fantasy world at war
- Multi tiered subscription model, or different Power levels, where the higher you are the more options you have in how you play the game. Lowest level would be free to play and can only play as a lowly soldier, the highest Power level could play as a Nobel Lord and own land, conquer more lands and build castles.
- 5 Factions, 4 factions fighting over the remains of the declining Empire faction
- Clearly defined main goals for each faction, and multiple sub goals that will increase the factions overall strength once achieved. Include the ability for each faction to subvert other factions goals in some way.
- Large land battles that can only occur once certain conditions are met, such as when certain faction goals are achieved.
- Diplomacy with non-aligned races or groups. The non-aligned groups can switch sides if your faction is not careful.
- Mounted combat.
- Classes: Noble Lords, Combat Healers, Warriors, Rangers (Scouts), Soldiers, Wizards.
- Will make group play the norm not the exception.
- Crafting
- The Vassal function that will allow internal faction alignments to Noble Lords. A faction element within your own overall faction. These factions can also compete for resources in the world.
- Real economy, with limited resources being produced and fought over.
My Game would NOT include
- Mindless Grinding