1. They can create the greatest game ever made and I still wont be willing to spend $50-70 dollars for it if I wont OWN IT.
2. I don't need a console to bring me sports and TV...that's why I pay for a freaking cable service along with a monthly charge for the damn cable box.
3. Mature? lol...dream on buddy.
Cant wait for the first major storm to come your way, knock out power for several days and you come here and bitch about how your system is locked out and you lost rights to the games you paid for because you were unable to connect to the internet...enjoy dealing with Microsoft support trying to prove you are who you are and getting them to unlock your system and reinstate your games rights, since they are allowing each individual game maker to have their own rules, you are in for some really non-game related fun!
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Here is also another article explaining that Microsoft's policies are almost like Steam's policies. Really some of you are just blowing this way out of proportion.
Here is also another article explaining that Microsoft's policies are almost like Steam's policies. Really some fo you are just blowing this way out of proportion.
Steam has a offline mode, barely functional but still you can play offline for a month and it wouldn't care.Add to that it's sales and it being on a better platform. What's the matter though? Microsoft not paying you until they see a net positive thread?
Here is also another article explaining that Microsoft's policies are almost like Steam's policies. Really some fo you are just blowing this way out of proportion.
Why is it that we have to rely on "Anonymous Xbox Engineer" to get any answers on what they're actually trying to do with their system and policies? Why all the cloak and dagger?
I'm not against MS or the XBone but if your company is catching hell from all angles and you're misunderstood or have good intentions it only makes sense (in my opinion) to run some sort of anti-we suck campaign.
As it stands though, it seems their silence is only reinforcing people's opinions that not all is as it seems and gives people plenty of time to assume the worst.
Here is also another article explaining that Microsoft's policies are almost like Steam's policies. Really some fo you are just blowing this way out of proportion.
Steam has a offline mode, barely functional but still you can play offline for a month and it wouldn't care.Add to that it's sales and it being on a better platform. What's the matter though? Microsoft not paying you until they see a net positive thread?
You can play offline mode on the Xbox One. You will just have to plug in your Ethernet cable to your internet connection once every 24 hours. How difficult is that ? My 360 stayed connected to the internet 24/7....
Here is also another article explaining that Microsoft's policies are almost like Steam's policies. Really some fo you are just blowing this way out of proportion.
Steam has a offline mode, barely functional but still you can play offline for a month and it wouldn't care.Add to that it's sales and it being on a better platform. What's the matter though? Microsoft not paying you until they see a net positive thread?
You can play offline mode on the Xbox One. You will just have to plug in your Ethernet cable to your internet connection once every 24 hours. How difficult is that ? My 360 stayed connected to the internet 24/7....
Ok, once you buy a Xbox One go to the middle of the Sahara and live near an oasis playing Xbox One powered by a Solar panel which also powers the TV and then claim the similarity between it and Steam. Therein lies the point of the majority: Microsoft with Xbox One is trying to sugar coat a retarded set of moves relying on their size as a corporation and the size of their community to take it up the ass like a good group. If the Xbox One had a dedicated offline mode (no checks, just offline) people would be allot more forgiving but nope and add to that the used games shit and the obligatory kinect and they'll have their asses handed to them in this console gen... God willing it will also be the last console generation because consoles in general have just gone expensive custom shit PC with ever more draconian restrictions since the last gen.
This thread is indicative of internet society. Being reasonable, logical and even keeled is not as much fun as being a die hard fan or riding on the hate-wagon. Xbox One won't be perfect, even though we still know very little about it due to poor marketing/pr and the fact that it's 5 months from launch. It is also not as bad as the exaggerations are making it appear to be. Simply, there isn't enough information to even form an educated opinion at this point. The fact that people on both sides will argue the simple statements that I just made........
This thread is indicative of internet society. Being reasonable, logical and even keeled is not as much fun as being a die hard fan or riding on the hate-wagon. Xbox One won't be perfect, even though we still know very little about it due to poor marketing/pr and the fact that it's 5 months from launch. It is also not as bad as the exaggerations are making it appear to be. Simply, there isn't enough information to even form an educated opinion at this point. The fact that people on both sides will argue the simple statements that I just made........
Don't know what you are talking about. There are plenty level headed people expressing their opinions in this thread. Maybe your problem is that you only see the negative posts?
Here is also another article explaining that Microsoft's policies are almost like Steam's policies. Really some fo you are just blowing this way out of proportion.
Steam has a offline mode, barely functional but still you can play offline for a month and it wouldn't care.Add to that it's sales and it being on a better platform. What's the matter though? Microsoft not paying you until they see a net positive thread?
You can play offline mode on the Xbox One. You will just have to plug in your Ethernet cable to your internet connection once every 24 hours. How difficult is that ? My 360 stayed connected to the internet 24/7....
Actually I'm glad you brought this up The Xbox One has been pushing developers to house at least some of the game data on the cloud. I don't mean save data, I mean things like AI, assets, and etc. What this means is that while playing your single player game offline you may lose something as minor as the foliage to things that would be much more important. It all depends on what the developer decided to put on the cloud.
So yes, lol you can play in offline mode as long as you connect to the internet once every 24 hours. Though some games will have less quality, while others will be unplayable.
Microsoft's big issue was they didn't explain the stuff clearly they just posted it on their website while focusing on their games for e3 and god knows how people feel about looking for information. Why go to their main site when I can trust what others say including their competition!
Microsoft's big issue is that restricting loaning, trading and re-selling of games is a terribly policy regardless if the final decision is up to the developers/publishers or not. Microsoft is the one who decided to build that option into their system.
Consumers really need to start showing companies that we want to own what we pay for. A really good start is boycotting the XBone to send a message.
Why get the PS4 instead? The DRM, online verification, and region lock aren't factors to me. The hardware is nearly identical, or practically so and the price points aren't that far off from each other if you consider the Sony version of Kinect. The premium services cost roughly the same. The free game selection for the PS4 appeals to me , as does the Windows integration with the XB1.
I agree much of it is similar except
- no renting games on X1
- no streaming media without premium services (PN+ is not required for netflix, etc)
- x1 is unable to play games unless internet connected every 24 hrs
(making it an issue for any traveling w X1 where internet access is limited/absent)
-sounds like used/rented games can be played on X1 to me
-I keep a live gold sevice because I like to support platforms I enjoy
-I can't remember the last time I had an internet ready device that I didn't keep connected, that and I don't travel to play video games so the last point doesn't bother me
I'm in the same boat as Betaguy I've had a life-long boycott on sony electronics after 2 PS2 consoles and an Emerson dvd player filled with sony guts died shortly after purchasing them. I've owned many sony products before that and all of them seemed to have a short lifespan, so I simply don't buy them anymore.
Why get the PS4 instead? The DRM, online verification, and region lock aren't factors to me. The hardware is nearly identical, or practically so and the price points aren't that far off from each other if you consider the Sony version of Kinect. The premium services cost roughly the same. The free game selection for the PS4 appeals to me , as does the Windows integration with the XB1.
I agree much of it is similar except
- no renting games on X1
- no streaming media without premium services (PN+ is not required for netflix, etc)
- x1 is unable to play games unless internet connected every 24 hrs
(making it an issue for any traveling w X1 where internet access is limited/absent)
-sounds like used/rented games can be played on X1 to me
-I keep a live gold sevice because I like to support platforms I enjoy
-I can't remember the last time I had an internet ready device that I didn't keep connected, that and I don't travel to play video games so the last point doesn't bother me
I'm in the same boat as Beta guy I've had a life-long boycott on sony electronics after 2 PS2 consoles and an Emerson dvd player filled with sony guts died shortly after purchasing them. I've owned many sony products before that and all of them seemed to have a short lifespan, so I simply don't buy them anymore.
There are a lot of stipulations for used games. Used games will be administered and available through Microsoft-approved retailer locations. You will not be able to trade games on eBay, mom and pop outlets or Amazon anymore.
Game rentals will not be available at launch. They are considering possibilities with some of their partners but as of right now Microsoft has said there will be no game rentals at Xbox Ones launch. Possibility of rentals is something they are looking into though.
Your PS2 experience seems to be pretty similar to many 360 owners. Red ring of death was a pretty common thing and god help you if the system got moved, bumped into, or anything while it was on with a disk in it lol. Though I would have picked a different system than the PS2, its regarded pretty highly in the world of consoles and for good reason.
Also for those that keep stating "You can share your games online with up to 10 people." current thing flying around right now is that you are going to need a Xbox Live Gold Family plan membership and those "family members" you are sharing with are going to have to be part of that plan. So yes, you will be able to share your Xbox One games with those you choose to include in the family plan lol.
A rumor flying around is that only the master account will be able to share its games library with the others. This however is simply a rumor from a single source so I'm not sure how much stock I would put in it.
We will have to see how this all plays out, but as I said before the devils in the details and Microsoft has been trying very hard to hide all of the details the more details that come out the easier it is to see why they are trying to hide the details.
I will not be buying it. I won't be buying ANY console gaming system ever again.
Oh yes, My wife and I bought a Gamecube years ago for the kids, some of them now own much better systems, but I am not interested.
I don't like how console games are made, I don't like how they "play" and "feel", I don't agree with how they are sold, and I honestly don't think I have much in common with Console Gamers.... they usually play their games for far different reasons why I play MMOs.
In fact I am opposed to Devs who are supposedly MMO Devs using ideas from console gaming in MMOs.... I think the genres should be kept as seperate as possible.
Which brings to mind my complaint with this website.... why in the world are console games even being talked about on a MMO website? Lot's of People better be glad I don't own this site, if I bought it tomorrow much would change around here.
But I don't make the rules around here do I? For most of you it's probably a good thing.
-1 to any mention of console gaming on this website.
Damn over 300 post on this thread. Sorry if someon has said what I am about to say but I never buy used games and I never sell my games. So really I am not affected by all that legal stuff and I do always have a internet contection. I do work hard and pay for all my stuff. I wont blame hard working developers if they want to keep people from trading in games. Its their right and you as a buyer have the right to not buy stuff from them. I have boycotted EA since they bought the NFL license and it dont bug me one bit. I dont care if others choose to buy thier stuff I just know I wont. I do perfer what XBOX1 is doing over PS4. I like the fact that the game gets downloaded onto the system or onto the cloud (whatever it is). Not to sound lazy but I wont have to pull out all of the game disc to play and then put them away. Saves me from making a mess or getting sloppy when I am in a hurry. Also great that I know my brother who lives in another house wont have to borrow my game I can share it with him over the cloud. With the good comes some bad and with the bad comes some good. Thats just life. I am one of those guys though that does remember the original xbox getting bashed for choosing to only support broadband and look how that turned out. I think they might just be the guys to lead us into the next thing. I like that they have the guts (or stupidity depending on your point of view) to take the chances they are taking on the 24 hour rule and some of the other stuff. Someones gotta have a set of balls to break out of the same old same old. Plus I have had my gamertag since day 1 of xbox live. I dont plan on not playing on the best online gaming service.
Here is also another article explaining that Microsoft's policies are almost like Steam's policies. Really some fo you are just blowing this way out of proportion.
Steam has a offline mode, barely functional but still you can play offline for a month and it wouldn't care.Add to that it's sales and it being on a better platform. What's the matter though? Microsoft not paying you until they see a net positive thread?
You can play offline mode on the Xbox One. You will just have to plug in your Ethernet cable to your internet connection once every 24 hours. How difficult is that ? My 360 stayed connected to the internet 24/7....
The internet is not the main problem it's the restrictions! But if you want to go there there are roughly around 80-100 million people without proper broadband service. Also there was a report that the 360 had around 75 million sold but only 37 million were ever connected (registred) at one point.
It's like The Iphone yeah its nice and all but it is tooo restrictive for me Took mine back and got myself an Android. In the end its M$ system so let them have it. Believe me if Sony would have done the same then i would have totaly skipped this generation of consoles since I have a custom built PC.
Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!
Originally posted by martinorules Damn over 300 post on this thread. Sorry if someon has said what I am about to say but I never buy used games and I never sell my games. So really I am not affected by all that legal stuff and I do always have a internet contection. I do work hard and pay for all my stuff. I wont blame hard working developers if they want to keep people from trading in games. Its their right and you as a buyer have the right to not buy stuff from them. I have boycotted EA since they bought the NFL license and it dont bug me one bit. I dont care if others choose to buy thier stuff I just know I wont. I do perfer what XBOX1 is doing over PS4. I like the fact that the game gets downloaded onto the system or onto the cloud (whatever it is). Not to sound lazy but I wont have to pull out all of the game disc to play and then put them away. Saves me from making a mess or getting sloppy when I am in a hurry. Also great that I know my brother who lives in another house wont have to borrow my game I can share it with him over the cloud. With the good comes some bad and with the bad comes some good. Thats just life. I am one of those guys though that does remember the original xbox getting bashed for choosing to only support broadband and look how that turned out. I think they might just be the guys to lead us into the next thing. I like that they have the guts (or stupidity depending on your point of view) to take the chances they are taking on the 24 hour rule and some of the other stuff. Someones gotta have a set of balls to break out of the same old same old. Plus I have had my gamertag since day 1 of xbox live. I dont plan on not playing on the best online gaming service.
Even if you don't support game rental places, many people rely on them as its cheaper to do. from The NES up until the PS2. I had over 50 games for each system (except my Gamecube has 20 right now). This generation saw me in the beginning getting burnt by a 60.00 usd game that has only 4-5 hours of full gameplay. When I discovered gamefly it became heaven to me. No longer did i have to get burnt by a developer. If a game is really good and long I'll purchase it ( Darsksiders 2, Slycooper, Last of Us, Drake series, Lost planet and countless others). If a game is short like ( Call A Doodie, Battlefield, Gears of War, and Ect) then why spend my money on it? And yes I know those games are played due to their Multiplayer experience ( I don't play for multiplayer anymore since Socom).
In the end what will happen to your games? What will you do when they no longer support that cloud structure once the new console XB2 comes out? Will you have to pay a seperate fee? Why is M$ is soo secreative? Why do M$ think they are Hip like Apple?
Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!
Also for those that keep stating "You can share your games online with up to 10 people." current thing flying around right now is that you are going to need a Xbox Live Gold Family plan membership and those "family members" you are sharing with are going to have to be part of that plan. So yes, you will be able to share your Xbox One games with those you choose to include in the family plan lol.
A rumor flying around is that only the master account will be able to share its games library with the others. This however is simply a rumor from a single source so I'm not sure how much stock I would put in it.
We will have to see how this all plays out, but as I said before the devils in the details and Microsoft has been trying very hard to hide all of the details the more details that come out the easier it is to see why they are trying to hide the details.
So...
The link I shared in my previous post was straight from the xbox web site so it's not rumor or speculation, on selling and lending/sharing physical games:
Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.
Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.
In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.
As for your personal game library:
Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing,you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.
Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.
It doesn't look like they're trying to hide the details, instead people are spreading rumors and others are clinging to them rather than searching out the info for themselves.
There is a LOT of selective information being given hiding flat out LIES.
Can you still buy discs? Yes, but it only installs it onto your HD and still locks that disc to YOU.
Can you still let a friend barrow your game? Yes, IF he has been on your friends list for 30 days but you can only loan the game ONCE. YES, ONCE. Its limited to 10 to FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE ON YOUR XBOX ACCOUNT!
Can you still sell your game to a retailer? Yes, IF that game maker signed a deal with that store to allow it and you know damn well that those companies are going to demand money for that store to be able to do it, making them NOT want to do it because the price of the used games will end up higher than new ones.
Must you be connected to the internet 24/7? NO. But you MUST connected once every 24 hours or your systems and games become LOCKED DOWN. You get hit with a major storm that knocks power out in your area for more than 24 hours and you will face a NIGHTMARE getting your system unlocked and have to jump though an UNKNOWN amount of hoops to get your games back because the LEASES for each game is up to each individual game maker and some may require you to fully prove who you are and that you are the ACTUAL person that bought the game. Factor in that you more than likely are going to have a good amount of games and will have to contact many companies...lol.
You can say being connected to the internet is easy and means nothing...turns out, it does because anyone can lose power at any point and time...hell, first time someone hacks into MS's servers and shuts it down you are all going to be boned and I GARUNTEE you that they are going to be DoS bombed like mad once it goes live because of their attempting to remove all ownership rights away from consumers.
You guys are in for a nightmare and I am SO GLAD for it because you are so willing to give up your rights to massive corporate greed.
Those who give up their liberties no longer deserve them.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
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1. They can create the greatest game ever made and I still wont be willing to spend $50-70 dollars for it if I wont OWN IT.
2. I don't need a console to bring me sports and TV...that's why I pay for a freaking cable service along with a monthly charge for the damn cable box.
3. Mature? lol...dream on buddy.
Cant wait for the first major storm to come your way, knock out power for several days and you come here and bitch about how your system is locked out and you lost rights to the games you paid for because you were unable to connect to the internet...enjoy dealing with Microsoft support trying to prove you are who you are and getting them to unlock your system and reinstate your games rights, since they are allowing each individual game maker to have their own rules, you are in for some really non-game related fun!
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Here is the game licensing for the Xbox One. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license
Here is also another article explaining that Microsoft's policies are almost like Steam's policies. Really some of you are just blowing this way out of proportion.
http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions
"You are all going to poop yourselves." BillMurphy
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone."
Just wanted to post this for those not in the know.
The first MMO you loved will always be the best. You will never get that feeling back stop trying.
I do not watch TV.
I do not like American Football.
I do not want Kinect.
I do not want to pay for the Kinect.
I do not want to talk to my console.
I do not want to be watched by my console.
I do not want Smart glass.
I do not want an always on console.
I do not want to fiddle with DRM to give my games to someone.
I do not want MS to limit the Indie titltes that are allowed on the console.
I do not want a console that will not work outside of the 21 supported countries.
I do not want a console that forces me to install each and every game and has a hard drive that I cannot take out.
I do not want a console that in the background has 3, THREE, OS's to make it work.
I do not want a console made and advertised by people who don't know anything about it.
I do not want a console that forces me to pay for the privilage to play games online.
I do not want games that play themselves.
I do not want a console that is advertised as doing everything.
I want a console to play games the second I put the BD in. Period.
Steam has a offline mode, barely functional but still you can play offline for a month and it wouldn't care.Add to that it's sales and it being on a better platform. What's the matter though? Microsoft not paying you until they see a net positive thread?
Why is it that we have to rely on "Anonymous Xbox Engineer" to get any answers on what they're actually trying to do with their system and policies? Why all the cloak and dagger?
I'm not against MS or the XBone but if your company is catching hell from all angles and you're misunderstood or have good intentions it only makes sense (in my opinion) to run some sort of anti-we suck campaign.
As it stands though, it seems their silence is only reinforcing people's opinions that not all is as it seems and gives people plenty of time to assume the worst.
You can play offline mode on the Xbox One. You will just have to plug in your Ethernet cable to your internet connection once every 24 hours. How difficult is that ? My 360 stayed connected to the internet 24/7....
Ok, once you buy a Xbox One go to the middle of the Sahara and live near an oasis playing Xbox One powered by a Solar panel which also powers the TV and then claim the similarity between it and Steam. Therein lies the point of the majority: Microsoft with Xbox One is trying to sugar coat a retarded set of moves relying on their size as a corporation and the size of their community to take it up the ass like a good group. If the Xbox One had a dedicated offline mode (no checks, just offline) people would be allot more forgiving but nope and add to that the used games shit and the obligatory kinect and they'll have their asses handed to them in this console gen... God willing it will also be the last console generation because consoles in general have just gone expensive custom shit PC with ever more draconian restrictions since the last gen.
This thread is indicative of internet society. Being reasonable, logical and even keeled is not as much fun as being a die hard fan or riding on the hate-wagon. Xbox One won't be perfect, even though we still know very little about it due to poor marketing/pr and the fact that it's 5 months from launch. It is also not as bad as the exaggerations are making it appear to be. Simply, there isn't enough information to even form an educated opinion at this point. The fact that people on both sides will argue the simple statements that I just made........
Don't know what you are talking about. There are plenty level headed people expressing their opinions in this thread. Maybe your problem is that you only see the negative posts?
Actually I'm glad you brought this up
The Xbox One has been pushing developers to house at least some of the game data on the cloud. I don't mean save data, I mean things like AI, assets, and etc. What this means is that while playing your single player game offline you may lose something as minor as the foliage to things that would be much more important. It all depends on what the developer decided to put on the cloud.
So yes, lol you can play in offline mode as long as you connect to the internet once every 24 hours. Though some games will have less quality, while others will be unplayable.
Microsoft's big issue is that restricting loaning, trading and re-selling of games is a terribly policy regardless if the final decision is up to the developers/publishers or not. Microsoft is the one who decided to build that option into their system.
Consumers really need to start showing companies that we want to own what we pay for. A really good start is boycotting the XBone to send a message.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license
-sounds like used/rented games can be played on X1 to me
-I keep a live gold sevice because I like to support platforms I enjoy
-I can't remember the last time I had an internet ready device that I didn't keep connected, that and I don't travel to play video games so the last point doesn't bother me
I'm in the same boat as Betaguy I've had a life-long boycott on sony electronics after 2 PS2 consoles and an Emerson dvd player filled with sony guts died shortly after purchasing them. I've owned many sony products before that and all of them seemed to have a short lifespan, so I simply don't buy them anymore.
There are a lot of stipulations for used games. Used games will be administered and available through Microsoft-approved retailer locations. You will not be able to trade games on eBay, mom and pop outlets or Amazon anymore.
Game rentals will not be available at launch. They are considering possibilities with some of their partners but as of right now Microsoft has said there will be no game rentals at Xbox Ones launch. Possibility of rentals is something they are looking into though.
Your PS2 experience seems to be pretty similar to many 360 owners. Red ring of death was a pretty common thing and god help you if the system got moved, bumped into, or anything while it was on with a disk in it lol. Though I would have picked a different system than the PS2, its regarded pretty highly in the world of consoles and for good reason.
Also for those that keep stating "You can share your games online with up to 10 people." current thing flying around right now is that you are going to need a Xbox Live Gold Family plan membership and those "family members" you are sharing with are going to have to be part of that plan. So yes, you will be able to share your Xbox One games with those you choose to include in the family plan lol.
A rumor flying around is that only the master account will be able to share its games library with the others. This however is simply a rumor from a single source so I'm not sure how much stock I would put in it.
We will have to see how this all plays out, but as I said before the devils in the details and Microsoft has been trying very hard to hide all of the details the more details that come out the easier it is to see why they are trying to hide the details.
So...
I will not be buying it. I won't be buying ANY console gaming system ever again.
Oh yes, My wife and I bought a Gamecube years ago for the kids, some of them now own much better systems, but I am not interested.
I don't like how console games are made, I don't like how they "play" and "feel", I don't agree with how they are sold, and I honestly don't think I have much in common with Console Gamers.... they usually play their games for far different reasons why I play MMOs.
In fact I am opposed to Devs who are supposedly MMO Devs using ideas from console gaming in MMOs.... I think the genres should be kept as seperate as possible.
Which brings to mind my complaint with this website.... why in the world are console games even being talked about on a MMO website? Lot's of People better be glad I don't own this site, if I bought it tomorrow much would change around here.
But I don't make the rules around here do I? For most of you it's probably a good thing.
-1 to any mention of console gaming on this website.
The internet is not the main problem it's the restrictions! But if you want to go there there are roughly around 80-100 million people without proper broadband service. Also there was a report that the 360 had around 75 million sold but only 37 million were ever connected (registred) at one point.
It's like The Iphone yeah its nice and all but it is tooo restrictive for me Took mine back and got myself an Android. In the end its M$ system so let them have it. Believe me if Sony would have done the same then i would have totaly skipped this generation of consoles since I have a custom built PC.
Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5164689#5164689
Even if you don't support game rental places, many people rely on them as its cheaper to do. from The NES up until the PS2. I had over 50 games for each system (except my Gamecube has 20 right now). This generation saw me in the beginning getting burnt by a 60.00 usd game that has only 4-5 hours of full gameplay. When I discovered gamefly it became heaven to me. No longer did i have to get burnt by a developer. If a game is really good and long I'll purchase it ( Darsksiders 2, Slycooper, Last of Us, Drake series, Lost planet and countless others). If a game is short like ( Call A Doodie, Battlefield, Gears of War, and Ect) then why spend my money on it? And yes I know those games are played due to their Multiplayer experience ( I don't play for multiplayer anymore since Socom).
In the end what will happen to your games? What will you do when they no longer support that cloud structure once the new console XB2 comes out? Will you have to pay a seperate fee? Why is M$ is soo secreative? Why do M$ think they are Hip like Apple?
Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!
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The link I shared in my previous post was straight from the xbox web site so it's not rumor or speculation, on selling and lending/sharing physical games:
In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.
As for your personal game library:
It's all layed out in the link http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license
It doesn't look like they're trying to hide the details, instead people are spreading rumors and others are clinging to them rather than searching out the info for themselves.
There is a LOT of selective information being given hiding flat out LIES.
Can you still buy discs? Yes, but it only installs it onto your HD and still locks that disc to YOU.
Can you still let a friend barrow your game? Yes, IF he has been on your friends list for 30 days but you can only loan the game ONCE. YES, ONCE. Its limited to 10 to FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE ON YOUR XBOX ACCOUNT!
Can you still sell your game to a retailer? Yes, IF that game maker signed a deal with that store to allow it and you know damn well that those companies are going to demand money for that store to be able to do it, making them NOT want to do it because the price of the used games will end up higher than new ones.
Must you be connected to the internet 24/7? NO. But you MUST connected once every 24 hours or your systems and games become LOCKED DOWN. You get hit with a major storm that knocks power out in your area for more than 24 hours and you will face a NIGHTMARE getting your system unlocked and have to jump though an UNKNOWN amount of hoops to get your games back because the LEASES for each game is up to each individual game maker and some may require you to fully prove who you are and that you are the ACTUAL person that bought the game. Factor in that you more than likely are going to have a good amount of games and will have to contact many companies...lol.
http://mashable.com/2013/06/07/xbox-one-used-games/
You can say being connected to the internet is easy and means nothing...turns out, it does because anyone can lose power at any point and time...hell, first time someone hacks into MS's servers and shuts it down you are all going to be boned and I GARUNTEE you that they are going to be DoS bombed like mad once it goes live because of their attempting to remove all ownership rights away from consumers.
You guys are in for a nightmare and I am SO GLAD for it because you are so willing to give up your rights to massive corporate greed.
Those who give up their liberties no longer deserve them.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson