IT seems like the content this game offers, which others absolutely love, is not for you. I'm really happy for you because you already know and are sure this game isn't for you. You don't have to spend any money or monthly expense. You can move onto something else without any consequences.
On the other hand, to play devil's advocate.... guildhests, when you complete them for the first time give a GIGANTIC XP bonus and some nice gil. They are ideal for little time spend, big reward to any class that is leveling up.
Hunter's log is one of the shining aspects of FFXIV. I don't know any whos doesn't like it. It gives you VERY BIG XP bonuses for completion. So much so, that you can take a class from lvl 1 to 10 just by doing the hunting log.
You don't like dungeons even though you've only seen 5 of a possible 17 available at launch. You don't like to grind Dungeons but maybe prefer class quests or story quests. Dungeons also offer you gear and the chests drop Allamigan pieces which can be traded for gil.
Regardless, maybe your'e just tired of themepark mmos. Maybe the FF selling point of story, immersion, music and polish is not your cup of tea. I wish you the best of luck. As for me, this is the game i've been waiting for years. I'm really happy about release being less than two months away.
Good luck finding that mmo that captures your imagination as FFXIV has done to me.
Hear hear! Got it in one! Love every aspect of the game thus far. I also agree that the Hunting log is one of my favorite parts of the game. I'm one of the people who bought FFXIV 1.0 and was sorely disappointed. Haden't touched it again in 2 years. Then out of the blue one of my friends told me about the ARR remake. I wasn't very interested in it but I signed up for beta any way. Not like I had anything to lose by doing so any way and I had grown tired of my other MMO. Then came the wonderful day I had gotten my invite for Phase 2 of the beta. I've been madly in love with the game ever since.
On a side note for those of you in beta. We have an EXTENDED beta session coming up! Tomorrow July 10th 2AM PDT (Wednesday) and runs till the usual Sunday 2AM PDT. See you in Eorzea!
Originally posted by mastergravy it will be F2P before the 1 year marker.
It won't be F2P because Yoshi-P said that if it ever got to that point he'd close down the game.
Not all MMORPGs can go F2P because that is then the end of the game. All you will get are shallow GW2 style updates which satiate you like eating a single peanut or a single potato chip.
Everyone is acting like this is a bold new model for online games when really what we've been looking at is an over saturation of the market which has divided the MMORPG fanbase out way too much
You want it to go F2P because that is the only kind of MMO that you play. And you probably play a new F2P MMO every week because none of them satisfy you.
Name one F2P game that has consistently released full featured, premium, world changing expansions. F2P as in either a conversion from subscription or F2P from the start. Also this goes for B2P. Guild Wars 1 was an exception and exceptional for what it was.
Talk about inflated egos. I guess they learned nothing from first failure? being stubborn and rigid never works well in this industry.
I hope he is man of his word because in current market when MMOS are failing left and right, a game has to be really extraordinary to survive on P2P model. And FFXIV isn't it.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Talk about inflated egos. I guess they learned nothing from first failure? being stubborn and rigid never works well in this industry.
I hope he is man of his word because in current market when MMOS are failing left and right, a game has to be really extraordinary to survive on P2P model. And FFXIV isn't it.
No you have it backwards a game has to be extremely bad to be F2P. P2P game is not going to survive if it releases unfinished with no endgame and no real improvements made on a regular basis so it fails. That is why you pay subscriptions is for that constant flow of content and improvements. Some will claim F2P has updates but I will counter that 90 percent of those updates are to the cash shop not to actual game content or improvements.
F2P is not the answer to the horrible MMO market we have had for years it is the CAUSE. Failed subscription based games fail because idiots think they can pass this F2P quality game off on real gamers.
Talk about inflated egos. I guess they learned nothing from first failure? being stubborn and rigid never works well in this industry.
I hope he is man of his word because in current market when MMOS are failing left and right, a game has to be really extraordinary to survive on P2P model. And FFXIV isn't it.
Yoshi-P never actually said that, but yeah, why not believe a random person on the internet?
To throw some facts around, you know what makes FFXIV special? It's released on PS3, home of the franchise and the Japanese play it exclusively. P2P saved!
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Talk about inflated egos. I guess they learned nothing from first failure? being stubborn and rigid never works well in this industry.
I hope he is man of his word because in current market when MMOS are failing left and right, a game has to be really extraordinary to survive on P2P model. And FFXIV isn't it.
No you have it backwards a game has to be extremely bad to be F2P. P2P game is not going to survive if it releases unfinished with no endgame and no real improvements made on a regular basis so it fails. That is why you pay subscriptions is for that constant flow of content and improvements. Some will claim F2P has updates but I will counter that 90 percent of those updates are to the cash shop not to actual game content or improvements.
F2P is not the answer to the horrible MMO market we have had for years it is the CAUSE. Failed subscription based games fail because idiots think they can pass this F2P quality game off on real gamers.
Bad and good is all subjective. Good games go F2P too. Are you telling me not a single 'good' game has released since WOW? because if P2P is all that is needed to prove that game is good than WOW is best MMO ever made.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
For the amount of effort and time they put in just to revamp the game and listening to their players, I would imagine they will continue to put in that effort to make sure us fans enjoy the game. My personal opinion is that I can see this game having a full mmorpg life just like XI has had.
These threads always pop up at the launch of a new game as well as "it will go F2P". This game will last and it will not go F2P in the words of taylor swift "like ever"!
For those flaming me on my stance on leve quest timers, why are you for them? Why are you so against removing them? It was the single worst feature in FFXIV to only do 8 leves in 32 hours. Why is it any better to only do 3 leves every 12 hours? If you do the math its pretty much exactly the same. Why is SE so against players doing leves? Why must the force them to do dungeons? (Ill say it again, hunting logs wont cut it for content, its a one trick pony per class that has it, not enough to grind out levels)
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing. PS3
Originally posted by Wicoa These threads always pop up at the launch of a new game as well as "it will go F2P". This game will last and it will not go F2P in the words of taylor swift "like ever"!
Bold claims..we will see how it goes in 6 months. First month alone will tell us how many stay after free time is over and sub kicks in.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
For me it's an excellent mmorpg with an extreme amount of attention to detail. I don't think it will have any trouble lasting in this market as a P2P title.
I believe that the P2P model isnt what is dead. I don't think it ever did die. Look at SWTOR. The game releases as single player RPG you can play with others running around. It was buggy, incomplete, I can go on. But in short, the game itself had issues. So, Instead of doing what Squeenix did and say. "Sorry guys, we effed up" EA says. "Welp, it's a bad economy and the subscription model is a dying model". No it isn't. Your game just sucks. (As a long term sub based game)
If you have a game that is worth playing consistently over a long period of time then a subscription model is viable. If you have short term or transient player base that comes and goes, then no, it's not.
Either way, in order to make money, you still need a quality product to offer 1st. You can't pump out a pile of garbage all hyped to the moon and back and then blame the business model when it fails. Well, OK, you can kinda blame the business model since you thought you could actually charge money for that crap in the 1st place.
Anyway, I tried the open beta for the original 14 with a friend who was a long time 11 player. We both felt the game was un playable then.
He, being a long time FF player got 2 beta keys. He shared one with me. I reluctantly signed up for it. I was not really looking at this game for any reason other than I had a friend who was going to play it.
Well, was I ever surprised. After a beta weekend, I was left wanting more. The depth of the game is not initially visible in the early sages of the game. But as you develop, more and more, little by little, there is a depth about FF 14 that slowly reveals itself.
I'm pre ordering this one. I do anticipate playing it long term. If for no other reason than it will be the only MMO on the market with a subscription and no cash shop and probably for as long as it remains that way.
Originally posted by Malvious Everyone will play it for about a month then hop back to wow. Only the true FF fans will stick to it just because its FF.
Every current MMO player you mean. Everyone else will stick to XIV because they don't give a crap about WoW, they only give a crap about an FF MMO. Or they quit and play no MMO's.
The biggest mistake people make on these forums is assume that ARR has to pull from the pool of existing MMO players like every generic MMO does. The FF fanbase is huge, and this game delivers to them. MMO players can be left to bitch in their little cave.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Originally posted by Squeak69 ask me six months after the game is fully released,predicting something like that for a game while its in beta still is almost impossible to predict.
It is? When was it impossible to predict that a game was either utter crap and would have a bad launch in beta, likely leading to its demise? It was easily predictable for v1.0, and if Square hadn't dumped massive resources into fixing it, it would be gone long ago.
In terms of just being around, even MMOs with crappy launches stick around and even get some development even if they stagnate (e.g., Vanguard). It takes a lot for an MMO to actually die (APB?) since as long as some people are playing and paying it's likely bringing in cash at the expense of leaving a server on.
However in terms of being developed for 10 years, this is Square and, as stated, they dumped a crapton into fixing it. The main problem with the beta right now is that it's not release: the quality of the v2 beta is so much more than any other beta I've played I could easily see them getting away with just saying "here" and patching up the rest in coming months. (And with Phase 4 around the corner, that's basically what they're going to do.)
Unless they're dumb and simply decide to stop developing it, it'll be around for awhile. Since they spent enough to revive v1, I can't really see them dropping it anytime soon.
Originally posted by Malvious Everyone will play it for about a month then hop back to wow. Only the true FF fans will stick to it just because its FF.
Why would anyone go back to Wow? Its the only game on the market where nothing you do in end game matter. You don't have to beat lich king to fight death wing. Any endgame gear you get will be replaced by greens a few months from when you get it. No one appreciated the environment because we just fly over everything. If a new class comes out you have to dump everything from you old toon and start a new one just to play it. They just recently allowed players to keep their mounts while making a new alt.
I'm sorry but Wow is a dying game.
I know this because I have a good buddy who's entire family plays WoW. His father, aunt, 2 uncles and a couple of cousins. They have been playing together for over 7 years. But anytime a new mmo comes out that sounds promising they leave as a group and try it. SWTOR is an example. However the game stank. So they went back to Wow.
But I am going to invite them all to FFXIV. A game that is 2-3 dollars cheaper a month. That's a minimum of $120 a year they would save between themselves.
With a deeper crafting system and the fact they need 8 instead of 10 people to do a lot of endgame. The ability to level every job and craft on one character. A light years better character creation system, better graphics, ability to play with a controller. (nothing like being able to relax on couch and play an mmo with both hands on your lap).
Like SWTOR you have companions that fight along side you. The vast improvement though is that you can change their class between tank, DD or healer on the fly! So if you and two buddies want to take on something tough bring your chocobos and you've got a party of 6!
Another benefit is you can mix and match abilities from other classes to whatever class you chose to play. This will add incredible depth to PvP not seen in other themeparks.
Also FFXIV has more jobs and classes at release than any other mmo ever. 8 classes suited for solo and pvp, and 9 jobs suited more for partying and endgame.
Different from Wow especially is you don't have to hang out in a city street like a homeless person when youre relaxing. FFXIV allows you to buy land and build a house using the crafter. These houses come in three different sizes. You also have the ability to have youre entire guild share the house together! This means that instead of having a guild vault in the city, you have it there in the privacy of your house. A house that you can place trophies from endgame bosses you have defeated within it to show off to others you invite there.
I realize a lot of people not as familiar with FFXIV ARR as myself don't see the longevity of this mmo. But there are so many vast differences and improvement between this mmo and all others. Its almost not even fair to compare them at this point.
If they were ever planning to make this game f2p they would have already done it. They wouldn't have wasted time rebuilding the game from the ground up. They would have slapped a cash shop on the old game and milked it for what they could. I am looking at you SWTOR. They are not holding on to P2P in the desperate hope that it will make them more money because everyone already knows that f2p generates much more in short term profit. They have broader plans for this game. Plans which include consoles. Plans that include the ongoing franchise. Plans which include a steadier more predictable revenue stream that has longer term viability. In buying stocks, not everyone goes for the fast growth speculative stocks. Some people are more interested in income, blue chip or defensive stocks depending on their goals. Some people play for the long game.
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Unless Yoshi retires/resigns or gets fired/laid off? lol
Anyways to the OPs question.
Yes. I think is going to last. They put love and attention into this game.
It looks gorgeous and it takes old ideas and adds quite a few twists and innovations.
Its a fantastic start already. So with updates its only going to get better.
My fear? High end content ending up being a gear/token grind.
MMORPG Gamers/Developers need a reality check!
ask me six months after the game is fully released,
predicting something like that for a game while its in beta still is almost impossible to predict.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Hear hear! Got it in one! Love every aspect of the game thus far. I also agree that the Hunting log is one of my favorite parts of the game. I'm one of the people who bought FFXIV 1.0 and was sorely disappointed. Haden't touched it again in 2 years. Then out of the blue one of my friends told me about the ARR remake. I wasn't very interested in it but I signed up for beta any way. Not like I had anything to lose by doing so any way and I had grown tired of my other MMO. Then came the wonderful day I had gotten my invite for Phase 2 of the beta. I've been madly in love with the game ever since.
On a side note for those of you in beta. We have an EXTENDED beta session coming up! Tomorrow July 10th 2AM PDT (Wednesday) and runs till the usual Sunday 2AM PDT. See you in Eorzea!
God I hope so. I don't personally f2p as a failure.
No matter how cynical you become, its never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin
Talk about inflated egos. I guess they learned nothing from first failure? being stubborn and rigid never works well in this industry.
I hope he is man of his word because in current market when MMOS are failing left and right, a game has to be really extraordinary to survive on P2P model. And FFXIV isn't it.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
No you have it backwards a game has to be extremely bad to be F2P. P2P game is not going to survive if it releases unfinished with no endgame and no real improvements made on a regular basis so it fails. That is why you pay subscriptions is for that constant flow of content and improvements. Some will claim F2P has updates but I will counter that 90 percent of those updates are to the cash shop not to actual game content or improvements.
F2P is not the answer to the horrible MMO market we have had for years it is the CAUSE. Failed subscription based games fail because idiots think they can pass this F2P quality game off on real gamers.
Yoshi-P never actually said that, but yeah, why not believe a random person on the internet?
To throw some facts around, you know what makes FFXIV special? It's released on PS3, home of the franchise and the Japanese play it exclusively. P2P saved!
Bad and good is all subjective. Good games go F2P too. Are you telling me not a single 'good' game has released since WOW? because if P2P is all that is needed to prove that game is good than WOW is best MMO ever made.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3
Bold claims..we will see how it goes in 6 months. First month alone will tell us how many stay after free time is over and sub kicks in.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Fine, we'll compromise. I'll get my way & you'll find a way to be okay with that.
Oh the irony of this statement.
I believe that the P2P model isnt what is dead. I don't think it ever did die. Look at SWTOR. The game releases as single player RPG you can play with others running around. It was buggy, incomplete, I can go on. But in short, the game itself had issues. So, Instead of doing what Squeenix did and say. "Sorry guys, we effed up" EA says. "Welp, it's a bad economy and the subscription model is a dying model". No it isn't. Your game just sucks. (As a long term sub based game)
If you have a game that is worth playing consistently over a long period of time then a subscription model is viable. If you have short term or transient player base that comes and goes, then no, it's not.
Either way, in order to make money, you still need a quality product to offer 1st. You can't pump out a pile of garbage all hyped to the moon and back and then blame the business model when it fails. Well, OK, you can kinda blame the business model since you thought you could actually charge money for that crap in the 1st place.
Anyway, I tried the open beta for the original 14 with a friend who was a long time 11 player. We both felt the game was un playable then.
He, being a long time FF player got 2 beta keys. He shared one with me. I reluctantly signed up for it. I was not really looking at this game for any reason other than I had a friend who was going to play it.
Well, was I ever surprised. After a beta weekend, I was left wanting more. The depth of the game is not initially visible in the early sages of the game. But as you develop, more and more, little by little, there is a depth about FF 14 that slowly reveals itself.
I'm pre ordering this one. I do anticipate playing it long term. If for no other reason than it will be the only MMO on the market with a subscription and no cash shop and probably for as long as it remains that way.
Two thumbs way up. lol
Every current MMO player you mean. Everyone else will stick to XIV because they don't give a crap about WoW, they only give a crap about an FF MMO. Or they quit and play no MMO's.
The biggest mistake people make on these forums is assume that ARR has to pull from the pool of existing MMO players like every generic MMO does. The FF fanbase is huge, and this game delivers to them. MMO players can be left to bitch in their little cave.
both a predictable and stupid statement.
All die, so die well.
It is? When was it impossible to predict that a game was either utter crap and would have a bad launch in beta, likely leading to its demise? It was easily predictable for v1.0, and if Square hadn't dumped massive resources into fixing it, it would be gone long ago.
In terms of just being around, even MMOs with crappy launches stick around and even get some development even if they stagnate (e.g., Vanguard). It takes a lot for an MMO to actually die (APB?) since as long as some people are playing and paying it's likely bringing in cash at the expense of leaving a server on.
However in terms of being developed for 10 years, this is Square and, as stated, they dumped a crapton into fixing it. The main problem with the beta right now is that it's not release: the quality of the v2 beta is so much more than any other beta I've played I could easily see them getting away with just saying "here" and patching up the rest in coming months. (And with Phase 4 around the corner, that's basically what they're going to do.)
Unless they're dumb and simply decide to stop developing it, it'll be around for awhile. Since they spent enough to revive v1, I can't really see them dropping it anytime soon.
Why would anyone go back to Wow? Its the only game on the market where nothing you do in end game matter. You don't have to beat lich king to fight death wing. Any endgame gear you get will be replaced by greens a few months from when you get it. No one appreciated the environment because we just fly over everything. If a new class comes out you have to dump everything from you old toon and start a new one just to play it. They just recently allowed players to keep their mounts while making a new alt.
I'm sorry but Wow is a dying game.
I know this because I have a good buddy who's entire family plays WoW. His father, aunt, 2 uncles and a couple of cousins. They have been playing together for over 7 years. But anytime a new mmo comes out that sounds promising they leave as a group and try it. SWTOR is an example. However the game stank. So they went back to Wow.
But I am going to invite them all to FFXIV. A game that is 2-3 dollars cheaper a month. That's a minimum of $120 a year they would save between themselves.
With a deeper crafting system and the fact they need 8 instead of 10 people to do a lot of endgame. The ability to level every job and craft on one character. A light years better character creation system, better graphics, ability to play with a controller. (nothing like being able to relax on couch and play an mmo with both hands on your lap).
Like SWTOR you have companions that fight along side you. The vast improvement though is that you can change their class between tank, DD or healer on the fly! So if you and two buddies want to take on something tough bring your chocobos and you've got a party of 6!
Another benefit is you can mix and match abilities from other classes to whatever class you chose to play. This will add incredible depth to PvP not seen in other themeparks.
Also FFXIV has more jobs and classes at release than any other mmo ever. 8 classes suited for solo and pvp, and 9 jobs suited more for partying and endgame.
Different from Wow especially is you don't have to hang out in a city street like a homeless person when youre relaxing. FFXIV allows you to buy land and build a house using the crafter. These houses come in three different sizes. You also have the ability to have youre entire guild share the house together! This means that instead of having a guild vault in the city, you have it there in the privacy of your house. A house that you can place trophies from endgame bosses you have defeated within it to show off to others you invite there.
I realize a lot of people not as familiar with FFXIV ARR as myself don't see the longevity of this mmo. But there are so many vast differences and improvement between this mmo and all others. Its almost not even fair to compare them at this point.
All die, so die well.
It will for some, but once the next MMO comes out most will flock to that it's like a pattern now days with gamers......
Then we can have this thread all over again once TESO,Wildstar, EQN, etc.etc.etc.. comes out.........
I like the game and do plan on playing it but any of the ones listed above are also gonna be getting my attention.....