I also can't compete with other players due to my busy schedule so I wish CCP would give me a pause button that will allow me to pause the game when it's dinner time, or I have to go to work, or when my son is up from his nap. It's not fair that the game favours people that have more than 7 hours a week to play.
In less than 10 minutes of searching I found an untouched belt three jumps from my main trade hub.
I'm looking at all kinds of Scordite, Veldspar, and Plagioclase.
I picked 4 belts at random and of the 4 belts I visited only one was picked clean and another one had a pilot working on it but she had a long way to go. I will also add that the belt that was picked clean had a nice view so it's probably a favorite in this system.
In less than 10 minutes of searching I found an untouched belt three jumps from my main trade hub.
I'm looking at all kinds of Scordite, Veldspar, and Plagioclase.
I picked 4 belts at random and of the 4 belts I visited only one was picked clean and another one had a pilot working on it but she had a long way to go. I will also add that the belt that was picked clean had a nice view so it's probably a favorite in this system.
Server restart is about one hour away.
I call shenanigans on this thread.
I guess that depends on where and what.
I'm based in a relatively quiet highsec system, and scordite is generally gone within a few hours, as it seems to be what appears to be popular around here. The better varieties of other ores tend to disappear very rapidly as well.
In less than 10 minutes of searching I found an untouched belt three jumps from my main trade hub.
I'm looking at all kinds of Scordite, Veldspar, and Plagioclase.
I picked 4 belts at random and of the 4 belts I visited only one was picked clean and another one had a pilot working on it but she had a long way to go. I will also add that the belt that was picked clean had a nice view so it's probably a favorite in this system.
Server restart is about one hour away.
I call shenanigans on this thread.
Nice, sounds like you found a gold mine there. Three out of four asteroids still left. One of them even Plagioclase, which is even more worthless then Veldspar. Make sure you don't tell anyone where it is, keep it all to yourself and make that isk.
I do not see an issue. There are always newbies complaining in chat about not being able to find asteroids, but I never have that problem myself. I mine around a bil a week in high sec with 1 indy account. I occasionally make my combat account help for the fleet booster but not very often since many other activities net me more isk/h. Why don't you try moving your mining operation to a less occupied area of high sec than the one you are currently in. As a hint, cald space gets tore up by mining fleets.
I used to have my mining operation is a section of min space between 2 ice belt systems, but plag/omber was a loss of income so I moved back to Amarr/Khanid space for the scord/pyro belts. I will not give you names of my systems so I suggest you do a bit of scouting yourself. A 5-8 belt system is sufficient for 1-2 account mining in an exhumer/barge all day.
OP....mountains out of molehills son. I can open the star map and determine if there is a high chance or ore to be left by looking at factors such as...ore/mineral price, connected systems, amount of stations in system, jumps from nearest trade hub, travel path. No serious miner wants to contract or freight their minerals 25 jumps to a trade hub or sell their ore at 40% below market value. I see low ore prices as means for me to make even more income by setting up a buy order for 39% below market.
Another hint: if you are scouting and run into a cleaned system...don't bother checking systems within 2 jumps of it as you will most likely be wasting your time.
I am a NA player myself and my play times are a bit different than most, but I am usually on when the server hits downtime. My belts are still pretty full right before reset and are definately jampacked with ore when I get off work at 5pm CDT/CST.
The changes to Ice made that much easier too. It wasn't unusual to have the ice roids to myself for 30m to a couple hours depending on time of day.
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Just did some quick math based on dotlan's info. Empire has roughly 1900 systems. Yeah, I'm thinking you just aren't looking hard enough. Get out of the trade hub/highly populated systems/regions and move to somewhere remote and I bet you'll find all the lolrox you can shoot.
Just did some quick math based on dotlan's info. Empire has roughly 1900 systems. Yeah, I'm thinking you just aren't looking hard enough. Get out of the trade hub/highly populated systems/regions and move to somewhere remote and I bet you'll find all the lolrox you can shoot.
Funny, I am two jumps from a trade hub.
I won't tell you where I am, though. Mostly I end up with Luminous Kernite but there's some Fiery Kernite and Viscous Pyroxeres to grab, too.
Originally posted by qazyman
Well you have a point with the AFK thing,
Missions, Faction Warfare, Incursions, Exploration, I think all of these are more profitable than solo mining.
The best way to make ISK is with other people. Be that mining, or whatever.
Missions only become profitable later and there's a lot of stuff involved to make them profitable (salvaging, for instance). I also always found them very aggravating to do.
FW, possibly. I heard they updated it and it's actually worthwhile now, last time I played it was just PvP and you'd lose ships for no reason. Fun, but not profitable.
Incursions are high level PvE content iirc, not available to a starting player.
Exploration has been bashed left and right for being unprofitable, actually. I believe Odyssey screwed things up.
The problem with a lot of these is that they would greatly benefit from easy starting capital. Mining gives you that. I finally have the money to afford all sorts of ships, implants, etc., and all I am doing is parking a ship and reading a book. Whereas otherwise I'd have to spam boring as fuck missions for forever to get even close to that amount of money.
I left a corp recently due to disagreements with the leadership and there's another one I am looking at, I'm sure they wouldn't mind a skilled Retriever pilot who could pilot bigger ships in a few hours (just see no point solo mining in a Hulk, brr).
Originally posted by Malcanis
Invention? Manufacturing?
Don't you kinda need minerals for those? And starting capital?
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In less than 10 minutes of searching I found an untouched belt three jumps from my main trade hub.
I'm looking at all kinds of Scordite, Veldspar, and Plagioclase.
I picked 4 belts at random and of the 4 belts I visited only one was picked clean and another one had a pilot working on it but she had a long way to go. I will also add that the belt that was picked clean had a nice view so it's probably a favorite in this system.
Server restart is about one hour away.
I call shenanigans on this thread.
Nice, sounds like you found a gold mine there. Three out of four asteroids still left. One of them even Plagioclase, which is even more worthless then Veldspar. Make sure you don't tell anyone where it is, keep it all to yourself and make that isk.
Putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "la-la-la-la" isn't going to make those belts disappear.
Another person here has also confirmed that there are full belts in high sec just waiting for you to pack up your stuff and move.
You can't compete with the people in your system and instead of migrating to another system like the game was designed you blame the game for not being balanced? How about you stop fighting the game and find your place in the universe and not ask the universe to accommodate you?
Packing up and having to move around is exactly how the game should be. Competing against others for roids the same way you compete against others for everything else. bigbuddz example is a perfect example of how the game should be. However its not, at least for those "in the right timezone."
As I said, my wife is from Europe. I've spent a lot of time there with her. I've played EVE while I was there and mining over there is like having the asteroids handed you on a silver platter. No need to set up a POS or a freighter to dump ore, no need to look for systems that haven't already been mined out. Simply undock, mine. Mined it all out? No problem, jump over one system, mine. The logistics is Way easier then it is for a north American player. The spawning system should be moved to a system independent of downtime so everyone is on equal footing instead of this asteroid welfare program largely favoring one group of players.
I will agree with the OP that NA players are at a disadvantage when it comes to mining. Since you have to go off the beaten path you make lower isk due to higher overhead. Trade hubs pay top dollar & remote systems pay pennies so you have to refine and move it to maximize profit. Either you take time from mining to move it or pay a freight service like red frog (a corp a highly suggest using to freight). High sec price atm is 700K + 500k a jump. It eats into the profits quick as you have to go farther out.
Maybe putting it on a similar spawn system like ice works now with smaller roid spawns to discourage botters just hanging in 1 system would be a good idea.
I do see both sides of the coin in this matter. While I do not think it is a major imbalance, it could def be fine tuned.
EDIT:
The OP didn't change my mind it was the non-insightful posts that made me revisit the issue. If you do not know anything about mining don't waste your time responding.
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Good for you. This isn't about null sec though.
I find plenty of asteroids. Hop around different systems, find one that's not used as much.
Really, I hear this a lot, so what are these ephemeral activities that bring you more ISK than mining does? While also allowing you to be semi-AFK?
And don't say missioning.
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Currently playing: GW2, EVE
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I also can't compete with other players due to my busy schedule so I wish CCP would give me a pause button that will allow me to pause the game when it's dinner time, or I have to go to work, or when my son is up from his nap. It's not fair that the game favours people that have more than 7 hours a week to play.
Invention? Manufacturing?
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Well you have a point with the AFK thing,
Missions, Faction Warfare, Incursions, Exploration, I think all of these are more profitable than solo mining.
The best way to make ISK is with other people. Be that mining, or whatever.
In less than 10 minutes of searching I found an untouched belt three jumps from my main trade hub.
I'm looking at all kinds of Scordite, Veldspar, and Plagioclase.
I picked 4 belts at random and of the 4 belts I visited only one was picked clean and another one had a pilot working on it but she had a long way to go. I will also add that the belt that was picked clean had a nice view so it's probably a favorite in this system.
Server restart is about one hour away.
I call shenanigans on this thread.
I guess that depends on where and what.
I'm based in a relatively quiet highsec system, and scordite is generally gone within a few hours, as it seems to be what appears to be popular around here. The better varieties of other ores tend to disappear very rapidly as well.
Nice, sounds like you found a gold mine there. Three out of four asteroids still left. One of them even Plagioclase, which is even more worthless then Veldspar. Make sure you don't tell anyone where it is, keep it all to yourself and make that isk.
I do not see an issue. There are always newbies complaining in chat about not being able to find asteroids, but I never have that problem myself. I mine around a bil a week in high sec with 1 indy account. I occasionally make my combat account help for the fleet booster but not very often since many other activities net me more isk/h. Why don't you try moving your mining operation to a less occupied area of high sec than the one you are currently in. As a hint, cald space gets tore up by mining fleets.
I used to have my mining operation is a section of min space between 2 ice belt systems, but plag/omber was a loss of income so I moved back to Amarr/Khanid space for the scord/pyro belts. I will not give you names of my systems so I suggest you do a bit of scouting yourself. A 5-8 belt system is sufficient for 1-2 account mining in an exhumer/barge all day.
OP....mountains out of molehills son. I can open the star map and determine if there is a high chance or ore to be left by looking at factors such as...ore/mineral price, connected systems, amount of stations in system, jumps from nearest trade hub, travel path. No serious miner wants to contract or freight their minerals 25 jumps to a trade hub or sell their ore at 40% below market value. I see low ore prices as means for me to make even more income by setting up a buy order for 39% below market.
Another hint: if you are scouting and run into a cleaned system...don't bother checking systems within 2 jumps of it as you will most likely be wasting your time.
I am a NA player myself and my play times are a bit different than most, but I am usually on when the server hits downtime. My belts are still pretty full right before reset and are definately jampacked with ore when I get off work at 5pm CDT/CST.
The changes to Ice made that much easier too. It wasn't unusual to have the ice roids to myself for 30m to a couple hours depending on time of day.
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Funny, I am two jumps from a trade hub.
I won't tell you where I am, though.
Mostly I end up with Luminous Kernite but there's some Fiery Kernite and Viscous Pyroxeres to grab, too.
Missions only become profitable later and there's a lot of stuff involved to make them profitable (salvaging, for instance). I also always found them very aggravating to do.
FW, possibly. I heard they updated it and it's actually worthwhile now, last time I played it was just PvP and you'd lose ships for no reason. Fun, but not profitable.
Incursions are high level PvE content iirc, not available to a starting player.
Exploration has been bashed left and right for being unprofitable, actually. I believe Odyssey screwed things up.
The problem with a lot of these is that they would greatly benefit from easy starting capital. Mining gives you that. I finally have the money to afford all sorts of ships, implants, etc., and all I am doing is parking a ship and reading a book. Whereas otherwise I'd have to spam boring as fuck missions for forever to get even close to that amount of money.
I left a corp recently due to disagreements with the leadership and there's another one I am looking at, I'm sure they wouldn't mind a skilled Retriever pilot who could pilot bigger ships in a few hours (just see no point solo mining in a Hulk, brr).
Don't you kinda need minerals for those? And starting capital?
Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
Currently playing: GW2, EVE
Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?
Putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "la-la-la-la" isn't going to make those belts disappear.
Another person here has also confirmed that there are full belts in high sec just waiting for you to pack up your stuff and move.
You can't compete with the people in your system and instead of migrating to another system like the game was designed you blame the game for not being balanced? How about you stop fighting the game and find your place in the universe and not ask the universe to accommodate you?
Packing up and having to move around is exactly how the game should be. Competing against others for roids the same way you compete against others for everything else. bigbuddz example is a perfect example of how the game should be. However its not, at least for those "in the right timezone."
As I said, my wife is from Europe. I've spent a lot of time there with her. I've played EVE while I was there and mining over there is like having the asteroids handed you on a silver platter. No need to set up a POS or a freighter to dump ore, no need to look for systems that haven't already been mined out. Simply undock, mine. Mined it all out? No problem, jump over one system, mine. The logistics is Way easier then it is for a north American player. The spawning system should be moved to a system independent of downtime so everyone is on equal footing instead of this asteroid welfare program largely favoring one group of players.
I will agree with the OP that NA players are at a disadvantage when it comes to mining. Since you have to go off the beaten path you make lower isk due to higher overhead. Trade hubs pay top dollar & remote systems pay pennies so you have to refine and move it to maximize profit. Either you take time from mining to move it or pay a freight service like red frog (a corp a highly suggest using to freight). High sec price atm is 700K + 500k a jump. It eats into the profits quick as you have to go farther out.
Maybe putting it on a similar spawn system like ice works now with smaller roid spawns to discourage botters just hanging in 1 system would be a good idea.
I do see both sides of the coin in this matter. While I do not think it is a major imbalance, it could def be fine tuned.
EDIT:
The OP didn't change my mind it was the non-insightful posts that made me revisit the issue. If you do not know anything about mining don't waste your time responding.
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Present: Current offerings are low quality or soloable
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Those trade hubs only became trade hubs because of the migration effect I talked about above which is fostered by the lack of resources.
As far as I see the system is working.