Im chatting to a guy who is at SOE Live at the moment. He stood up and asked them if they planned on toning down the cartoony style. He got a big round of applause. The SOE Devs looked taken aback by the reaction and said "Nothing is set in stone at this point".
So, there is hope for it yet if enough people kick up a fuss.
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I think the round table is more about the game direction as opposed to allow major changes like changing art direction.
They are NOT going to change the art direction at this point.
This, the rendering system isnt going to change and the art style isnt going to change, this I can guarantee. While I understand some people may not like it ( I personally love the art style and direction ) and I understand people have the right to vent and discuss what they dont like, this is one of those "deal with it" moments, either dont play the game or live with it, this will not change from now till release.
Personally I like the character model they chose to use. With the direction they took it will age very well. However the Kerra are just... odd. If you compare models akin to the style there using in other games like it, youll notice the humans and various races all look very alike. However the Kerra lack bone structure under there facial skin, making for a very odd set of expressions. Fix that and I think you have it made.
I agree. If they hadn't shown the Kerran and went with an Ogre or something more "manly", maybe the backlash wouldn't of been so strong for some. Think most are used to Kerran being more like panthers/tigers with more of a human body with a cat head on top and less like lions. The lion's long face seemed odd, but maybe they will offer various big cat styles. Still think it looked great for what it was, just a bit too "Next" for many.
The graphics for the game are set, they look good and are what the majority of players will like (check net for results from surveys regarding graphic styles in games).
It's a nice art style and looks good, can't wait to get my hands on it.
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Im chatting to a guy who is at SOE Live at the moment. He stood up and asked them if they planned on toning down the cartoony style. He got a big round of applause. and said "Nothing is set in stone at this point".
So, there is hope for it yet if enough people kick up a fuss.
...the SOE Devs looked taken aback by the reaction....that right there tells me they did not do all of the appropriate due diligence (i.e. current EQ/EQ2 player base focus groups) when determining the appropriate direction to take with EQNs art style.
Originally posted by Presbytier No they don't the art style was chosen to enable the game to look good for years to come; not to mention a change in art style would set the game back quite a bit.
False statement because the game already looks like its 8 years old. So this notion of stylized art ages better is complete bullshit.
I think the round table is more about the game direction as opposed to allow major changes like changing art direction.
They are NOT going to change the art direction at this point.
It's unfortunate that this is still coming up and that is why I need to quote Sovrath.
"They are NOT going to change the art direction at this point" this is something people need to get into their head. Just because you don't enjoy the art direction doesn't mean they would change the entire game around the minority of people who seem to be "uncomfortable" with seeing an art direction that we see in games such as Bioshock Infinite.
It was a decision made by the creators of EQNext and they've based their game around it. It really is a situation of "put up or shut up" at this point.
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SoE is trying to shake up the genre and push forward, which many companies have not been trying to do. It's been the same stale environment for a long time.
So long as I can make a Kerran that is closer to the concept art than the asset shown at soe live, no problem here.
The Everquest landmark tool is ok, but I would like to see them release a tool similar to the character creator that they released for eq2 prior to the live date.
I think the round table is more about the game direction as opposed to allow major changes like changing art direction.
They are NOT going to change the art direction at this point.
It's unfortunate that this is still coming up and that is why I need to quote Sovrath.
"They are NOT going to change the art direction at this point" this is something people need to get into their head. Just because you don't enjoy the art direction doesn't mean they would change the entire game around the minority of people who seem to be "uncomfortable" with seeing an art direction that we see in games such as Bioshock Infinite.
It was a decision made by the creators of EQNext and they've based their game around it. It really is a situation of "put up or shut up" at this point.
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SoE is trying to shake up the genre and push forward, which many companies have not been trying to do. It's been the same stale environment for a long time.
I hope they do do a poll on this for the hell of it.I think the OP will not like the result though going by results on similar polls around the net.
But I would say the Artstyle was chosen for technical reasons so that it would run smoothly on a wider range of computers and still be able to use procedural graphics,emergent AI and world wide destructibility(temporary and permanent) in a seamless world.Aging well would be a bonus but not the major reason it was chosen. because that is subjective.
Im chatting to a guy who is at SOE Live at the moment. He stood up and asked them if they planned on toning down the cartoony style. He got a big round of applause. The SOE Devs looked taken aback by the reaction and said "Nothing is set in stone at this point".
So, there is hope for it yet if enough people kick up a fuss.
Well, the first step in change is realizing that change needs to be made. I'd love to hear their commentary about all the community feedback.
I happen to like the environmental art quite a bit. I was honestly taken aback by how they did the Kerran, but I did like the look of the human. Could there be tweaks? Absolutely. The game as a whole interests me the most, so I will be playing regardless.
Im chatting to a guy who is at SOE Live at the moment. He stood up and asked them if they planned on toning down the cartoony style. He got a big round of applause. The SOE Devs looked taken aback by the reaction and said "Nothing is set in stone at this point".
So, there is hope for it yet if enough people kick up a fuss.
If true, that quote basically means "We aim to please"*
*Within reason
Making a complete u-turn on the art style is completely unreasonable. It might be possible to "tone it down" a little in some areas but that will be the most you will get.
Art style is very important (not gameplay important, but its still a big part of the expirience)
There's been at best "mixed" reaction to the art style in EQN, and obvious a lot of it has been very negative. The style has been compared to WoW, Wildstar, Firefall..etc
Smed and Georgeonsen were adamant about making sure we knew the game still has time to change and that we can help change it that we're "making OUR game together" as they put it.
Well put up a poll on your roundtable about the art style, let us have our say in the platform you've chosen for developer to player interaction.
All that said..I'm still going to play the game, but the artstyle was incredibly dissapointing to me. To me this is not EQ's style, its more like their Clone Wars kiddie game with the ridiculous over-exaggerated eyes and other facial features along with the clay-mation style hair and bright colors.
Incorrect.... negative people just voice their opinions more. The art style is great.... if you don't like it don't play
The Art style may be great...to you. You, and I, are small portions of the population that will play this game. I think what you missed in my original post was using THEIR OWN TOOL!
They went on at lengths about the round table feature..but your'e saying it shouldn't be used because..negative people voice their opinions more ? Where's the logic in having the tool in the first place then ?
If you are going to play they don't need to change now do they? THey already have you.
Round table is for things they haven't committed to AND for which they are willing to allow for changes. Art Style has been committed to.
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I don't think people are informed enough to even make some sweeping decision on the art style. You've seen very little of only a fraction of the characters. I for one love what I've seen so far.. How soon people forget the reception EQ2 had on release and its plastic people.. Remember they had to roll back character options it was hated so much.. Folks need to calm down until we know more..
The art style is not something that they can just snap a finger and have it all magically be hyper realistic. It was chosen for many technical reasons and isn't going to change.
Thank you!
I'm not a huge fan of the style, but it's not deal-breaker either.
People that love to bitch and moan are going to find something to bitch and moan about. If the art was different, it would probably be something else that would motivate them crawl all over the forums asserting why they won't buy the game, why the game sucks, and how it is destined to fail.
I can understand that not everyone is happy with the choice of art, but please, it what is is - Let It Go!
Originally posted by BTUndertaker The art style is fine. I don't get why people are thinking Everquest would ever implement realism in its character models. Did EQ or EQ2 have it, nope! Why in the world would anyone expect that is beyond me.
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Exactly! I've never played either of EQ or EQ2, but what I've seen from them their graphics and art style is terrible. There's nothing realistic about them at all so I don't understand why people are so angry about the art in this.
You have to realize, if they did put up a poll on the art style, and it happened to be in favor of the population that might play the game didn't like it. Then what. They would have to redo the entire games art? Every single peice of armor, every character model, every single thing they had already made in terms of art style since it seems that people like the world then it would just have to do with weapons, armors, character models, races, sexes, and make sure every peice of armor works on each individual character model. It would take them years, since they have already been working on this for quite a while. They built up too much hype to set the game back that far again. Plus a poll wouldn't do anything. People would be able to abuse it, if someone didn't like it and happened to find a loophole that allowed them to vote 5 thousand times because they absolutely hated it, then the poll wouldn't work. If someone went on 4chan and got them to boost poll numbers like other places have done in the past than it wouldn't work. It just isn't going to happen at this point, you probably have to deal with it.
Originally posted by Presbytier No they don't the art style was chosen to enable the game to look good for years to come; not to mention a change in art style would set the game back quite a bit.
False statement because the game already looks like its 8 years old. So this notion of stylized art ages better is complete bullshit.
There's always gotta be that ^guy.^... Go look at games from 8 years ago (cartoony ones). As well as try making a point once in a while without all the hyperbole.
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Im chatting to a guy who is at SOE Live at the moment. He stood up and asked them if they planned on toning down the cartoony style. He got a big round of applause. and said "Nothing is set in stone at this point".
So, there is hope for it yet if enough people kick up a fuss.
...the SOE Devs looked taken aback by the reaction....that right there tells me they did not do all of the appropriate due diligence (i.e. current EQ/EQ2 player base focus groups) when determining the appropriate direction to take with EQNs art style.
Yep. Classic sign of groupthink. They need to pull their heads out of each other's asses and get some critical thinking going on there.
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Im chatting to a guy who is at SOE Live at the moment. He stood up and asked them if they planned on toning down the cartoony style. He got a big round of applause. The SOE Devs looked taken aback by the reaction and said "Nothing is set in stone at this point".
So, there is hope for it yet if enough people kick up a fuss.
"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright
This, the rendering system isnt going to change and the art style isnt going to change, this I can guarantee. While I understand some people may not like it ( I personally love the art style and direction ) and I understand people have the right to vent and discuss what they dont like, this is one of those "deal with it" moments, either dont play the game or live with it, this will not change from now till release.
I agree. If they hadn't shown the Kerran and went with an Ogre or something more "manly", maybe the backlash wouldn't of been so strong for some. Think most are used to Kerran being more like panthers/tigers with more of a human body with a cat head on top and less like lions. The lion's long face seemed odd, but maybe they will offer various big cat styles. Still think it looked great for what it was, just a bit too "Next" for many.
The graphics for the game are set, they look good and are what the majority of players will like (check net for results from surveys regarding graphic styles in games).
It's a nice art style and looks good, can't wait to get my hands on it.
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Yeah. EQ1 and 2 are not exactly realistic looking.
I guess if anything, the use of bright colours is off.
EQ1 and 2 are more muted, not bright and virbate, particularly on characters.
I can see people having issues with the bight colours in comparison, but the actual models? Meh.
...the SOE Devs looked taken aback by the reaction....that right there tells me they did not do all of the appropriate due diligence (i.e. current EQ/EQ2 player base focus groups) when determining the appropriate direction to take with EQNs art style.
False statement because the game already looks like its 8 years old. So this notion of stylized art ages better is complete bullshit.
It's unfortunate that this is still coming up and that is why I need to quote Sovrath.
"They are NOT going to change the art direction at this point" this is something people need to get into their head. Just because you don't enjoy the art direction doesn't mean they would change the entire game around the minority of people who seem to be "uncomfortable" with seeing an art direction that we see in games such as Bioshock Infinite.
It was a decision made by the creators of EQNext and they've based their game around it. It really is a situation of "put up or shut up" at this point.
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SoE is trying to shake up the genre and push forward, which many companies have not been trying to do. It's been the same stale environment for a long time.
So long as I can make a Kerran that is closer to the concept art than the asset shown at soe live, no problem here.
The Everquest landmark tool is ok, but I would like to see them release a tool similar to the character creator that they released for eq2 prior to the live date.
And SOE has continued that tradition.
I hope they do do a poll on this for the hell of it.I think the OP will not like the result though going by results on similar polls around the net.
But I would say the Artstyle was chosen for technical reasons so that it would run smoothly on a wider range of computers and still be able to use procedural graphics,emergent AI and world wide destructibility(temporary and permanent) in a seamless world.Aging well would be a bonus but not the major reason it was chosen. because that is subjective.
Well, the first step in change is realizing that change needs to be made. I'd love to hear their commentary about all the community feedback.
I happen to like the environmental art quite a bit. I was honestly taken aback by how they did the Kerran, but I did like the look of the human. Could there be tweaks? Absolutely. The game as a whole interests me the most, so I will be playing regardless.
If true, that quote basically means "We aim to please"*
*Within reason
Making a complete u-turn on the art style is completely unreasonable. It might be possible to "tone it down" a little in some areas but that will be the most you will get.
If you are going to play they don't need to change now do they? THey already have you.
Round table is for things they haven't committed to AND for which they are willing to allow for changes. Art Style has been committed to.
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FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
I don't think people are informed enough to even make some sweeping decision on the art style. You've seen very little of only a fraction of the characters. I for one love what I've seen so far.. How soon people forget the reception EQ2 had on release and its plastic people.. Remember they had to roll back character options it was hated so much.. Folks need to calm down until we know more..
Thank you!
I'm not a huge fan of the style, but it's not deal-breaker either.
People that love to bitch and moan are going to find something to bitch and moan about. If the art was different, it would probably be something else that would motivate them crawl all over the forums asserting why they won't buy the game, why the game sucks, and how it is destined to fail.
I can understand that not everyone is happy with the choice of art, but please, it what is is - Let It Go!
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Exactly! I've never played either of EQ or EQ2, but what I've seen from them their graphics and art style is terrible. There's nothing realistic about them at all so I don't understand why people are so angry about the art in this.
There's always gotta be that ^guy.^... Go look at games from 8 years ago (cartoony ones). As well as try making a point once in a while without all the hyperbole.
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Yep. Classic sign of groupthink. They need to pull their heads out of each other's asses and get some critical thinking going on there.
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