Mmm: My HC Monk is at 33 K DPS now and is in the first few quests of Act 3 Inferno... I can start to feel his limits and the stress is huge. It is a tank alright (71% all resistance and 71 armor prot), but the DPS needs to go up ... to continue./
You know my back up SC Monk (exact copy to test things), can have a walk in the park up to Diablo in Inferno, but the sheer fact of playing HC is nerf recking.
So keep it up guys: this game is dynamite.
HC is a completely different ball game. No one optimize DPS for HC toons. 33k, in fact, is not low, and survivability is 100x more important than DPS.
I optimize DPS because i like the glass canon, mowing down stuff feel. But i die OFTEN. I don't like dying ... and try to play smart .. but if i got mobs with vortex, molten ground, and waller/jailer, i can die in like 2 seconds.
Doing it my way vs your way is like TWO completely different game.
At the end you play through it again with different types of monsters, and the higher the difficulty the more the champion mobs have in terms of abilities, like minions or chains or lightning. It gets really hard in inferno mode for you to solo, and even harder in a party because of how much the monsters tend to gain in terms of health and how hard they hit. So I mean usually you go into diablo knowing that you will end up having to beat it multiple times to unlock the highest difficulty.
Being forced to replay the campaign 3 times to get to endgame paired with the lack of any worthwhile randomisation really pulled this game down.
Some people can deal with it, some can't. I did it.. but I have to admit I would rather have not had to.
The game is actually different because mobs have more abilities at higher difficulty. I don't focus on the graphics, and the story.
The tactical dimensions (you have more abilities), and the upgrade of mob abilities make different play through different for me.
Heck, the game feel different with a different class, or just with a different build. A CM wiz plays 100% differently than an archon one. A 0-dog WD is very different from a bear WD.
well in all honesty, non-MMOs don't have an endgame.
their endgame is the "GAME OVER" black screen.
Diablo Hardcore's end game begins at level 1: you try to survive until you reach THE END.
That's either a single death or the goal you set out (to me that is killing >>>Diablo in Inferno mode in hardcore).
So playing like that is always hanging in there and the end game is as early as lvl 1.
-
The crafting though in Inferno hardcore is fabulous as you are crafting in a game ... where everyone is dying constantly )
I know it is blasphomy to say it, but in this D3 hardcore has some element of EVE even: you can craft with great profits as long as you stand above those dead bodies in Inferno mode.
I've put my Hardcore character on hold for now. I'm working on my 4th level 60 on softcore. That'd leave only my lvl 51 wizard to get to 60. Go go go go!!
Originally posted by Shadowguy64 I've put my Hardcore character on hold for now. I'm working on my 4th level 60 on softcore. That'd leave only my lvl 51 wizard to get to 60. Go go go go!!
I finally got 5 software character to L60, and one (my wiz .. main) to paragon 100. I am surprised that the game is still fun after so much play-time.
Originally posted by Shadowguy64 I've put my Hardcore character on hold for now. I'm working on my 4th level 60 on softcore. That'd leave only my lvl 51 wizard to get to 60. Go go go go!!
I finally got 5 software character to L60, and one (my wiz .. main) to paragon 100. I am surprised that the game is still fun after so much play-time.
BTW, which L60 you like best so far?
Between my Barb, Monk and Witch Doctor...I'd say Witch Doctor with the Barb a close second.
I really like them all tho. They each play differently. That why I'm taking the time to level them all.
Originally posted by Shadowguy64 I've put my Hardcore character on hold for now. I'm working on my 4th level 60 on softcore. That'd leave only my lvl 51 wizard to get to 60. Go go go go!!
I finally got 5 software character to L60, and one (my wiz .. main) to paragon 100. I am surprised that the game is still fun after so much play-time.
BTW, which L60 you like best so far?
Between my Barb, Monk and Witch Doctor...I'd say Witch Doctor with the Barb a close second.
I really like them all tho. They each play differently. That why I'm taking the time to level them all.
That is definitely the case. And not only different classes play differently, the same class with a different build play differently too.
Since you are a WD, what build do you play? For my WD, i have a zero-dog gear set (0-day is very dependent on gear, as you probably already know), and a more general set that i play a bear build on.
The two are like night and day, totally different.
Originally posted by Elapsed I don't understand the hate of the auction house. I haven't bought anything yet, but I look at D3 like an MMO. If I end up spending around $15 a month in the AH, it's the same as an MMO subscription. Does it end up costing a lot more than $15 a month for good gear? The only thing I feel weird about is putting my money directly in the pocket of another player since I could be supporting a gold farmer or someone who found an exploit.
Plus, it is completely optional.
I think the RMAH is actuallly quite nice. People only focus on SPENDING MONEY. You can make money off it too. What is better than having some fun, and at the same time, it turns into pocket money?
Personally i pump most of my RMAH earnings back into the game (except cashing out $40 to buy MoP), and it works well. Lastly, it also help protect against gold inflation (which is inevitable). If i want to "park" my D3 money, it is better to cash in in the RMAH, and keep real $$, instead of gold.
I'm up to hell mode now. My crappy gear is finally catching up to me. I'm starting to change my mind about the AH.
I'm looking at the prices, it seems like you could spend quite a bit equipping your char. I'm not going to buy anything and it's optional now, but if they ever implemented ranked PvP, it'd be pretty much required to be competitive.
Also, I'm pleased to find that there is more beyond level 60 and farming items in inferno. So far I see there are paragon levels and keywardens to find too.
Also, I'm pleased to find that there is more beyond level 60 and farming items in inferno. So far I see there are paragon levels and keywardens to find too.
There are quite a bit after L60. The biggest ones are of course what you said, paragon levels and keywarden/uber bosses.
However, i think many are overlooking the fun in experimenting with builds and gear for them.
Of course, one needs to gear up for your main build first. But after a while, when you have more resources, it is fun to have multiple-sets of gear for different builds. Sort of like a mini-class.
The best example is the zero-dog WD build. You need to make the CD of your zombie dog zero to play this build, so you have to gear for zombie dog CD reduction, and sacrifice other stuff. The game is really nice in the way different builds really play very differently.
I have two sets of gear for my wizard (archon, main build, and a CM set). Two sets for my WD (zero-dog, and a bear set). I am sure i can have multiple sets for my other toons, but i can't afford those yet.
Originally posted by Elapsed I don't understand the hate of the auction house. I haven't bought anything yet, but I look at D3 like an MMO. If I end up spending around $15 a month in the AH, it's the same as an MMO subscription. Does it end up costing a lot more than $15 a month for good gear? The only thing I feel weird about is putting my money directly in the pocket of another player since I could be supporting a gold farmer or someone who found an exploit.
Plus, it is completely optional.
I think the RMAH is actuallly quite nice. People only focus on SPENDING MONEY. You can make money off it too. What is better than having some fun, and at the same time, it turns into pocket money?
Personally i pump most of my RMAH earnings back into the game (except cashing out $40 to buy MoP), and it works well. Lastly, it also help protect against gold inflation (which is inevitable). If i want to "park" my D3 money, it is better to cash in in the RMAH, and keep real $$, instead of gold.
I'm up to hell mode now. My crappy gear is finally catching up to me. I'm starting to change my mind about the AH.
I'm looking at the prices, it seems like you could spend quite a bit equipping your char. I'm not going to buy anything and it's optional now, but if they ever implemented ranked PvP, it'd be pretty much required to be competitive.
Also, I'm pleased to find that there is more beyond level 60 and farming items in inferno. So far I see there are paragon levels and keywardens to find too.
What class are you playing? I don't remember Hell being difficult at all. Maybe I was lucky with drops. Plus I played all the classes, so there was a lot of hand-me downs. But I never broke down and bought anything on the AH. (it defeats the point of the game for me)
Originally posted by Elapsed Playing a Wizard. I'm getting through it, but the groups of champions are kicking my ass badly.
Haha figures...that's my the only class I haven't played on Hell Difficulty yet. However I do expect to blow through it due to a hand-me-down weapon which pretty much tripled my DPS I would have without it.
Still all self-found though. Which is the most rewarding way to play IMO since getting upgrades feels a lot more fun than buying upgrades.
What class are you playing? I don't remember Hell being difficult at all. Maybe I was lucky with drops. Plus I played all the classes, so there was a lot of hand-me downs. But I never broke down and bought anything on the AH. (it defeats the point of the game for me)
When did you play Hell? It is after the introduction of MP levels?
I remember the original Hell to be quite difficult, and i need a lot of AH upgrades to make my character works.
Originally posted by Elapsed Playing a Wizard. I'm getting through it, but the groups of champions are kicking my ass badly.
What build are you playing?
Before end-game, you may want to play a kiting wiz. I used to (long time ago) play a AO wiz with a arcane hydra and they works pretty well, and can handle most champ/elite packs as long as you don't get a very unlucky set of affixes.
What class are you playing? I don't remember Hell being difficult at all. Maybe I was lucky with drops. Plus I played all the classes, so there was a lot of hand-me downs. But I never broke down and bought anything on the AH. (it defeats the point of the game for me)
When did you play Hell? It is after the introduction of MP levels?
I remember the original Hell to be quite difficult, and i need a lot of AH upgrades to make my character works.
Yes, recent. I played on MP 5 on my Monk and MP 0 on my others. Probably should have at least gone MP 2 or 3 on them now that I think of it. Oh well.
I'm actually really enjoying myself in D3 now after coming back a month ago. The Ah is flooded with good gear so anybody lvl 60 can find the necessary stats to beat Inferno. The item hunt is fun and its great to get back to a game where I'm constantly getting stronger through upgrades. Currently doing MP5 Softcore on my WD.
For me, this game was the ultimate of let downs. Made me a sad panda once I played it through and got through an act of next level of difficulty. My brain was already racing from "next boss to next boss" and I couldn't stop it.
Like my brain was doing the "I know what happens next..." in a movie. LOL.
Diablo 3 was uninstalled in record time. I played it from a friday night until mid afternoon sunday. I had my left palm supporting my head and clicked the uninstall button saying "god I hate u whey did I spend my damn cash."
What class are you playing? I don't remember Hell being difficult at all. Maybe I was lucky with drops. Plus I played all the classes, so there was a lot of hand-me downs. But I never broke down and bought anything on the AH. (it defeats the point of the game for me)
When did you play Hell? It is after the introduction of MP levels?
I remember the original Hell to be quite difficult, and i need a lot of AH upgrades to make my character works.
Yes, recent. I played on MP 5 on my Monk and MP 0 on my others. Probably should have at least gone MP 2 or 3 on them now that I think of it. Oh well.
That is the beauty of the game, you can tweak the level of challenge to make it fun. Even with very good twink gear, it is challenge to level my alts on MP10.
Originally posted by TheHavok I'm actually really enjoying myself in D3 now after coming back a month ago. The Ah is flooded with good gear so anybody lvl 60 can find the necessary stats to beat Inferno. The item hunt is fun and its great to get back to a game where I'm constantly getting stronger through upgrades. Currently doing MP5 Softcore on my WD.
I found many things fun in this game (otherwise, i wouldn't be still playing)
- The MP levels are genius. You feel real progress in moving up in MP levels, and sometimes you can up a level and feel the added challenge.
- The paragon levels give you a goal that take s a long time to do
- And in between, i experiment with build & gear set. Once you get to a good place (in gear) for your main, experiment. You can start to afford having spare sets, and multiple sets for your alts.
Comments
HC is a completely different ball game. No one optimize DPS for HC toons. 33k, in fact, is not low, and survivability is 100x more important than DPS.
I optimize DPS because i like the glass canon, mowing down stuff feel. But i die OFTEN. I don't like dying ... and try to play smart .. but if i got mobs with vortex, molten ground, and waller/jailer, i can die in like 2 seconds.
Doing it my way vs your way is like TWO completely different game.
Are you guys playing solo or in groups?
I've played solo the entire game so far. Tho I hear playing in groups is better for Hardcore....
Being forced to replay the campaign 3 times to get to endgame paired with the lack of any worthwhile randomisation really pulled this game down.
Some people can deal with it, some can't. I did it.. but I have to admit I would rather have not had to.
I heard otherwise. You don't want another's player's mistake kill your HC char.
Personally i do mostly solo play but i occasionally just join a random group. I use to play with my kids but they now all move to LoL.
The game is actually different because mobs have more abilities at higher difficulty. I don't focus on the graphics, and the story.
The tactical dimensions (you have more abilities), and the upgrade of mob abilities make different play through different for me.
Heck, the game feel different with a different class, or just with a different build. A CM wiz plays 100% differently than an archon one. A 0-dog WD is very different from a bear WD.
Hence i am still playing the game.
Diablo Hardcore's end game begins at level 1: you try to survive until you reach THE END.
That's either a single death or the goal you set out (to me that is killing >>>Diablo in Inferno mode in hardcore).
So playing like that is always hanging in there and the end game is as early as lvl 1.
-
The crafting though in Inferno hardcore is fabulous as you are crafting in a game ... where everyone is dying constantly
)
I know it is blasphomy to say it, but in this D3 hardcore has some element of EVE even: you can craft with great profits as long as you stand above those dead bodies in Inferno mode.
I finally got 5 software character to L60, and one (my wiz .. main) to paragon 100. I am surprised that the game is still fun after so much play-time.
BTW, which L60 you like best so far?
Between my Barb, Monk and Witch Doctor...I'd say Witch Doctor with the Barb a close second.
I really like them all tho. They each play differently. That why I'm taking the time to level them all.
That is definitely the case. And not only different classes play differently, the same class with a different build play differently too.
Since you are a WD, what build do you play? For my WD, i have a zero-dog gear set (0-day is very dependent on gear, as you probably already know), and a more general set that i play a bear build on.
The two are like night and day, totally different.
I may even try a Acid Rain build for xp farming.
I'm up to hell mode now. My crappy gear is finally catching up to me. I'm starting to change my mind about the AH.
I'm looking at the prices, it seems like you could spend quite a bit equipping your char. I'm not going to buy anything and it's optional now, but if they ever implemented ranked PvP, it'd be pretty much required to be competitive.
Also, I'm pleased to find that there is more beyond level 60 and farming items in inferno. So far I see there are paragon levels and keywardens to find too.
There are quite a bit after L60. The biggest ones are of course what you said, paragon levels and keywarden/uber bosses.
However, i think many are overlooking the fun in experimenting with builds and gear for them.
Of course, one needs to gear up for your main build first. But after a while, when you have more resources, it is fun to have multiple-sets of gear for different builds. Sort of like a mini-class.
The best example is the zero-dog WD build. You need to make the CD of your zombie dog zero to play this build, so you have to gear for zombie dog CD reduction, and sacrifice other stuff. The game is really nice in the way different builds really play very differently.
I have two sets of gear for my wizard (archon, main build, and a CM set). Two sets for my WD (zero-dog, and a bear set). I am sure i can have multiple sets for my other toons, but i can't afford those yet.
What class are you playing? I don't remember Hell being difficult at all. Maybe I was lucky with drops. Plus I played all the classes, so there was a lot of hand-me downs. But I never broke down and bought anything on the AH. (it defeats the point of the game for me)
Haha figures...that's my the only class I haven't played on Hell Difficulty yet. However I do expect to blow through it due to a hand-me-down weapon which pretty much tripled my DPS I would have without it.
Still all self-found though. Which is the most rewarding way to play IMO since getting upgrades feels a lot more fun than buying upgrades.
When did you play Hell? It is after the introduction of MP levels?
I remember the original Hell to be quite difficult, and i need a lot of AH upgrades to make my character works.
That is a personal preference. My personal goal is to up my DPS as much as possible (520k buffed now) and that is impossible if i play self-found.
What build are you playing?
Before end-game, you may want to play a kiting wiz. I used to (long time ago) play a AO wiz with a arcane hydra and they works pretty well, and can handle most champ/elite packs as long as you don't get a very unlucky set of affixes.
Yes, recent. I played on MP 5 on my Monk and MP 0 on my others. Probably should have at least gone MP 2 or 3 on them now that I think of it. Oh well.
For me, this game was the ultimate of let downs. Made me a sad panda once I played it through and got through an act of next level of difficulty. My brain was already racing from "next boss to next boss" and I couldn't stop it.
Like my brain was doing the "I know what happens next..." in a movie. LOL.
Diablo 3 was uninstalled in record time. I played it from a friday night until mid afternoon sunday. I had my left palm supporting my head and clicked the uninstall button saying "god I hate u whey did I spend my damn cash."
True story, no lie lol.
Discuss. Reason. Society.
Become a Dragon. Take your world back.
That is the beauty of the game, you can tweak the level of challenge to make it fun. Even with very good twink gear, it is challenge to level my alts on MP10.
I found many things fun in this game (otherwise, i wouldn't be still playing)
- The MP levels are genius. You feel real progress in moving up in MP levels, and sometimes you can up a level and feel the added challenge.
- The paragon levels give you a goal that take s a long time to do
- And in between, i experiment with build & gear set. Once you get to a good place (in gear) for your main, experiment. You can start to afford having spare sets, and multiple sets for your alts.