Originally posted by Caldicot EVE is a game where relations between players and trust really matters, which makes the social aspect truly amazing compared to other mmos.
This is probably the most true statement of the entire thread, as made evident by many of the varied comments in this very thread. Open world sandbox games are the ultimate expression in gaming freedom, but that also leads to some of the worst behavior you will see anywhere. It's any wonder why so many sandbox games are either unpopular, or earn an overall negative reputation. I remember being at Jessica Mulligan's keynote address of Turbine Nation '04, where she mused if the people who created bots just to kill noobs as they came from portal space the first time logged in from prison, and the laughter from the audience had an air of nervousness behind it. Probably from those who were running unattended macros at the time....killing noobs on Darktide.
EVE has come full circle though, it would seem. Where it used to win "mmo of the year" from this very website consistently, to now being lauded as having the "worst online community". Games earn their reputations, so I have little to doubt that the EVE community is degrading.
Of course, the world needs villains for heroes to exist, right? Unfortunately for online gaming, villains seemingly win the war of attrition, as the "heroes" lose patience for something that is supposed to be a hobby and fun.
What are you basing this on? The comments of a few people (who we can't even be sure they actually played the game) on this forum? Your own personal beliefs?
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Eve is awesome. People don't like it because it forces you to think. You can actually lose in Eve, and younger people these days think that they should win ALL the time. They are insanely entitled and hopelessly self absorbed.
Eve has a few nutjobs and psychopaths just like real life. If you have horrible judgement, you will get eaten alive in Eve as you will in the real world.
Young people today seem to have no passion, no vision, no moral compass. Every generation I can think of PRIOR to the millenials at least produced some great music/ art/ political movement.... SOMETHING....
They are the WORST. GENERATION. EVER.
EDIT: and yes, before anyone says it... I know the video is talking about millenials in the US. Can't say anything about Europe, Asia, or the rest of the world. This generation is absolutely pathetic in the US.
It's definitely not the worst overall, but it is pretty bad. A bit of advice: If your political leanings are anything but to the far left, and you happen to believe in any sort of religion, don't say a damn thing about it even if the subject comes up in chat. You will be ridiculed, harassed, and might even get a few death threats (which CCP does nothing about BTW).
Barring that, it's not too bad. There are lots of people who help out new players through either advice on gameplay mechanics and / or ship fits, as well as handing out a few million ISK so people can reduce the initial grind & get right into one of the more fun early ships.
Most MOBAs have far, far worse communities, and though I am loathe to say it (since it's so damned cliche at this point), but WoW still takes the cake for worst community in an MMO.
It has to do with the shit kids that are growing up today.
The times are moving forward, technology is moving forward.
Many people spend A LOT of their time on the internet now instead of face to face with friends in real life.
That seriously change peoples attitude, how they behave and so on.
You know how you can tell that someone grew old? They say things like "kids these days"...and old people have been doing all the way back to Hesiod almost 3,000 years ago. So either society has been in a constant state of decline or old people need to get a life so they something to look forward to again and stop looking to the past as being "better".
And no, old has nothing to do with age, its a mindset.
At the moment I'm starting to near 30 years old but I am still quite childish and can in no way be stuffed into the box of a typical person saying: Oh kids these days, grow up, bla bla bla!
So on my end that's simply not true.
Still, parenting has gotten worse over the years, I would say too much time infront of tv's / monitors in general is a part of the cause, kids / teenagers being stuck infront of the screen that is.
Parents are using computers, tablets, game consoles to parent their children when they don't have time for them.
Yet amazingly you place kids these days all into the same category.
You know, if you do a search you can find quotes from celebrities, the media, films from 40 years ago where they say TV is doing the same thing you are saying tech is doing today and my FATHER was listening to a program on "old time radio" website that carries all the radio programs from when he was a kid, one of them, Amos n Andy, actually had one of the characters say that RADIO was destroying our youth because they were spending too much time listening to it, losing their imaginations because the radio was doing the thinking for them...funnier yet, they complained about taxes being too high and congress being good for nothings!
Same shit, different generation and the only thing that's the same, its coming from people that grew old and looking for excuses. Same people that say that music today is garbage, real music was from "enter my own teenage years here".
Perhaps I can lay the OP's concerns to rest with a glimpse into my normal daily routine. I've been playing EVE for 7 years and I'm even on the CSM, so I should be the archetypal community member
06:30: Wake up, shower
06:45: Start up the ol' PC and log into the EVE forums. Spend a few minutes reviewing the CSM folder for any new topics or updates on how to screw the rest of the players over.
07:00: Find a thread by a new player. Spend 15 minutes convincing him that he's worthless and stupid and no-one loves him.
07:15: Log into EVE, make a little ISK by ransoming some day 1 new players.
07:45: OK time to go to work!
07:50: Push an old lady in front of the bus. Hahaha awesome look at the way her head burst! (Loot her handbag before getting on the bus)
08:00: Get to work. Pick up a bacon sandwich from the staff resteraunt paid for with the old lady's pathetic amount of money. Mmmm bacon!
08:15: Spend 45 minutes in the bathroom weeping uncontrollably as the repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse come flooding out AGAIN.
09:00: Repress memories. Log into work. Deliberately do everything wrong because I'm so immature. Blame everyone else for the "errors" and continue my insidious campaign to get the one decent, competent person on the team booted out for being a goody two shoes (and also women make me super uncomfortable)
12:00 Lunch! Pick up a sandwich and stroll around town for half an hour. Kill a dog.
12:45 Back to work! Spend most of the time on the EVE forums making people hate themselves and life because that's how people should be.
17:00 Time to head home. Offer the bus driver money to drive right through a group of schoolchildren using the road crossing.
17:30 Back to the basement! Order 2 XXL double chilli meat feast pizzas. Shower and change into my furry costume (my fursona is a 6' man-leech)
18:00 Pizza is here! Lay both pies on the floor, roll around naked on them. Go into the garden and ask the kids next door if they'd like to lick my pale, flabby body clean?
19:00 Log into EVE, gank and scam a few more trusting, hopeful new players and record their tears for the alliance orgy, held every year on midwinters' EVE. Chat with the CCP devs on skype and share the choicest morsels of pain and suffering with them.
23:00 And so to bed.
So as you can see OP, we're just normal ordinary people living normal ordinary lives, passionate about playing a game we enjoy
Originally posted by palulalula LOL! Eve have best community ever and it is only game with friendly help channels where 100+ people help rookies all the time. I think your anger comes from fact that you are probably bad at pvp, now you lost few ships and you are angry on all world. One day you will learn and you will be able to find some friends
If you want an example of the EvE community, this is it. The worst attempt at english or trolling you've ever seen.
Eve is awesome. People don't like it because it forces you to think. You can actually lose in Eve, and younger people these days think that they should win ALL the time. They are insanely entitled and hopelessly self absorbed.
Eve has a few nutjobs and psychopaths just like real life. If you have horrible judgement, you will get eaten alive in Eve as you will in the real world.
Young people today seem to have no passion, no vision, no moral compass. Every generation I can think of PRIOR to the millenials at least produced some great music/ art/ political movement.... SOMETHING....
They are the WORST. GENERATION. EVER.
EDIT: and yes, before anyone says it... I know the video is talking about millenials in the US. Can't say anything about Europe, Asia, or the rest of the world. This generation is absolutely pathetic in the US.
Blame your generation for being the worst parents ever. If you crap on a plant without watering it, it wouldn't grow up correctly either.
The thing with EVE is, somewhere over a ten year span, somewhere in the first few years really the decision was made that because EVE Online is a 'cold, harsh, universe' that meant people were duty bound to be pricks of the first order. Each time someone pulls a dirty stunt, the next guy has to one up it and so it goes.
Yes, OP the EVE online community is being lead by some of the strangest specimens our species has to offer. Because they are able to rob you of so much of your time in moments, it is a detriment to players of EVE Online and it will be the poison that prevents EVE Online from ever growing out of its toy smashing, kindergarten level game play.
I'd say built for and by closet sociopaths and CPA wonnabes, but close enough.
It's just a roleplaying video game. It's got nothing to do with a person's real life morals and values.
CCP has a fanfest every year and how many players of this game that attend suffer injury at the hands of other players while they are there?
Again, it's just a roleplaying video game. Just because a person RPs a pirate in a game doesn't mean they will steal a damn thing from you in real life.
Relax, understand it's just a game, go RP a character of your own, and have some fun.
The thing with scamming is that there is nothing graceful to it, nothing to admire even as you disapprove of it (for some reason, I'm thinking of that Steve Martin - Michael Caine film Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, with two con artists in Southern France who make a bet as to who will succeed in defrauding a rich lady). It's mostly stupid stuff, like 50,000 zydrine at 600 apiece = 300 million, or selling the wrong ship, or that margin buying scam where the scammer will use a three-pronged approach, one to set up a fake buy order, one to sell every item on the regional market, and one to advertise how good a deal that is (if it's that good a deal, why don't you buy it yourself?). It's stupid, it's annoying, but I guess it works. On whom, I don't know. Prices are too expensive for newbies, and veterans should be aware of all the tricks already.
As for the "community", the funny thing is that I'm not even sure there is one, except the trash talkers on the official forum which do succeed in making the entire player base look like self-absorbed jackasses. Instead, EVE is what happens when nobody is encouraged to trust anyone; the "community" disintegrates into small groups of people you already know. There seems to be a sort of camaraderie among miners, because mining is the mark of the carebear, I suppose, but for anything more fun, it seems entirely about distrust.
Also, I do recall that people - Goons, not surprisingly - did rally around Mittani when he made that utterly tasteless "if you want to make the guy kill himself" - something that's a crime in Iceland, by the way. And see how other threads on this very forum, not to mention the official forum, still treat him like a guru whose blog they follow assiduously. They've allowed Mittani to become an ambassador for the game, and the ambassador ended up drunk in public and said, with cameras rolling (I'm old-fashioned), that a guy should be encouraged to commit suicide. Not just a famous player and the most visible spokesman for one of the largest alliances in the game, but also one that the player base elected to the CSM and undoubtedly would have re-elected to the function to this day if he had not come to his senses (perhaps with a liberal dose of CCP arm-twisting).
Even with Mittani out of the picture, Goons still behave like they run the game. The other day, I was passing through a system in Caldari space when I saw over local chat that they were bullying ice miners for violating their so-called interdiction: "Everyone stop mining now!" diktats and so on.
There's no community, but there is a caste system. The big boys and their nullsec alliances on top, with their occasional war but usually busy basking in a Cold War situation where they don't like the other guys because they don't like the other guys, and otherwise pissing off the carebears when they get bored. (Nobody ever forced them to find a good reason for it.) The lowsec pirates getting whatever crumbs they can get. And at the bottom, the complete bottom, the Empire carebears and their missions, and mining, and -- what else is there, really? That huge battle that there was a few weeks ago? Out in Empire, it was utterly insignificant. When I heard about it, I thought "they're playing a completely different game, one I'll never get the opportunity to see". At the bottom, there is nothing, and it's boring; and at the top, sociopaths I don't want to interact with.
The thing with EVE is, somewhere over a ten year span, somewhere in the first few years really the decision was made that because EVE Online is a 'cold, harsh, universe' that meant people were duty bound to be pricks of the first order. Each time someone pulls a dirty stunt, the next guy has to one up it and so it goes.
Yes, OP the EVE online community is being lead by some of the strangest specimens our species has to offer. Because they are able to rob you of so much of your time in moments, it is a detriment to players of EVE Online and it will be the poison that prevents EVE Online from ever growing out of its toy smashing, kindergarten level game play.
hundreds of thousands of people play EVE. The very large majority of them don't scam. Beware of generalising.
Perhaps I can lay the OP's concerns to rest with a glimpse into my normal daily routine. I've been playing EVE for 7 years and I'm even on the CSM, so I should be the archetypal community member
23:00 And so to bed.
So as you can see OP, we're just normal ordinary people living normal ordinary lives, passionate about playing a game we enjoy
Excellent post Malcanis, thanks for sharing it. But you left out the most important task of the day, working with the CCP Devs (who are all secretly members of Goonswarm) to make sure the game is totally designed in their favor.
I miss this game. Despite the naysayers, i found it to be in fact one of the best communities out there, all a matter of how you approach it and interact with others.
Unlike most MMO's out there, people are free to be what they want to be, and in some cases, total arses is their preferred play style.
But there are so many great people in EVE as well, and I've flown with so many of them over the 4.5 years in EVE......
The trick is, you can either play the role of a victim, or decide to take matters into hand and forge your own destiny, it's really all up to you to decide.
And no, you cannot legislate fairness in EVE, you learn to carve that out for yourself and others.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I have to agree with the op on how bad the community has become on this game. especially in public chats such as mining chat. i've been playing this game since 2005 and i've seen a big difference from when i first started. at the same time though i've been playing mmos since the late 90s and i've seen the over all trend of how the mmo community in general has gone from mainly being a bunch of nerds to a bunch of trolls. since the internet has become so easily accessible, the same trolls you would normally get away from in the 90s are the same trolls now on the internet doing what they do best.
the weird part is that they are so used to it, they dont even know they are doing it. i reported my very first player in eve last week, after 8 years. i had just logged in, and bam. there was a message on chat that said "F*** ***** people." aka, people of my skin color. he was warned by ccp and for the next two days he kept on and on how he is some innocent victim in chat.
is eve the worst community? nah, league of legend still holds that title. has it become worse since its launch? oh yea most definitely. but in EVE's defense, the internet in general has become more of a toilet bowl.
I dunno why people think the community is bad in eve - people in general are very helpful and mature. Getting blown up/scammed/awoxed has nothing to do with community, don't take things so personal. It's like complaining the community in dota is bad because they keep farming you over and over - it's nonsense and part of the game.
Also, I found the community in dota slightly worse than eve. Then again I might be biased since any community looks nice to me compared to another game I played called hon - the epithome of cancer of all gaming communities.
Maybe its you ? When i started Eve Online any questions i had were anwered. There were people that assisted me constandly. When i joined CFC and had my 1st kill i was showered in isk hundres of millions of isk, i think around 2 billion lol
Eve Online has the best community out of every damn mmo i have ever played in 15 years. Do they have trolls ? offcourse wich mmo doesnt ? Do they have angry frustrated little kids ? offcourse wich mmo doesnt ? Does Eve has the oldest average playerbase in any mmo ? 1000% yes. Also Eve is the most hardcore mmo ever created, you can lose everything in a hearthbeat. So naturaly it attracts the most "hardcore" people, yet i remember my 1st steps into Eve where i was ganked in my Vexor in Hisec, the ganker gave my 10 times thw worth of my ship back.
Dunno what stuff i can add, but i have a totaly diffrent expirience then you when playing Eve o7
Originally posted by Teala EVE Online is like any online game in the sense that all of them have their share of douche bags.
Pretty much this, Eve samples like any game from real life...In that it draws it's population from that of the real world. Sadly most people are douchebags, moreso when they can get away with it and there are no consequences. Guess what, there are hardly any consequences for being an asshole in a virtual world. So that douchebag that just shoved you and told you to watch where you're walking? Yep.....
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Originally posted by Teala EVE Online is like any online game in the sense that all of them have their share of douche bags.
Pretty much this, Eve samples like any game from real life...In that it draws it's population from that of the real world. Sadly most people are douchebags, moreso when they can get away with it and there are no consequences. Guess what, there are hardly any consequences for being an asshole in a virtual world. So that douchebag that just shoved you and told you to watch where you're walking? Yep.....
Ever heard the old saying "If you meet an asshole during your day, well too bad, you encountered an asshole. but if everyone you meet all day is an asshole, then the asshole is you."?
I agree that there are some pretty obnoxious people in Eve, but in it's defense, that's part of what makes Eve, well, Eve. Yes, the community can be horrible, but that just adds to the flavor that is the Eve universe. While it wouldn't be as readily acceptable in many other games, I find it to just be part and parcel of the online 'life' that one deals with when playing it. I'm hoping that the meta-games won't be as ruthless, but I would like to see some of the cloak and dagger/backstabbing/paranoia/untrustworthiness make it's way into Star Citizen.
I played this game after Earth & Beyond got shut down because my guild went over there. I lasted about a year and finally quit. It will always have a bad community because of the way the game is. This is a game without rules just about. I never met any good people outside my guild in that game. I would never go back to that nightmare of a game.
Originally posted by Hariken I played this game after Earth & Beyond got shut down because my guild went over there. I lasted about a year and finally quit. It will always have a bad community because of the way the game is. This is a game without rules just about. I never met any good people outside my guild in that game. I would never go back to that nightmare of a game.
This is your mistake, EVE is a virtual world that more closely mimics human behavior in the real world, (especially in the absence of law) than a controlled game like environment.
We're all just 3 days of starvation from total anarchy and when our infrastructure collapses you get places like Somalia.
EVE's sort of like that, but unlike you've I found much good in the EVE community, heck I even flew next to and fought with the Goons as it suited my alliances purposes.
But they were still arses.... no doubt about that.
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What are you basing this on? The comments of a few people (who we can't even be sure they actually played the game) on this forum? Your own personal beliefs?
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Eve is awesome. People don't like it because it forces you to think. You can actually lose in Eve, and younger people these days think that they should win ALL the time. They are insanely entitled and hopelessly self absorbed.
Eve has a few nutjobs and psychopaths just like real life. If you have horrible judgement, you will get eaten alive in Eve as you will in the real world.
Young people today seem to have no passion, no vision, no moral compass. Every generation I can think of PRIOR to the millenials at least produced some great music/ art/ political movement.... SOMETHING....
They are the WORST. GENERATION. EVER.
EDIT: and yes, before anyone says it... I know the video is talking about millenials in the US. Can't say anything about Europe, Asia, or the rest of the world. This generation is absolutely pathetic in the US.
It's definitely not the worst overall, but it is pretty bad. A bit of advice: If your political leanings are anything but to the far left, and you happen to believe in any sort of religion, don't say a damn thing about it even if the subject comes up in chat. You will be ridiculed, harassed, and might even get a few death threats (which CCP does nothing about BTW).
Barring that, it's not too bad. There are lots of people who help out new players through either advice on gameplay mechanics and / or ship fits, as well as handing out a few million ISK so people can reduce the initial grind & get right into one of the more fun early ships.
Most MOBAs have far, far worse communities, and though I am loathe to say it (since it's so damned cliche at this point), but WoW still takes the cake for worst community in an MMO.
Yet amazingly you place kids these days all into the same category.
You know, if you do a search you can find quotes from celebrities, the media, films from 40 years ago where they say TV is doing the same thing you are saying tech is doing today and my FATHER was listening to a program on "old time radio" website that carries all the radio programs from when he was a kid, one of them, Amos n Andy, actually had one of the characters say that RADIO was destroying our youth because they were spending too much time listening to it, losing their imaginations because the radio was doing the thinking for them...funnier yet, they complained about taxes being too high and congress being good for nothings!
Same shit, different generation and the only thing that's the same, its coming from people that grew old and looking for excuses. Same people that say that music today is garbage, real music was from "enter my own teenage years here".
Perhaps I can lay the OP's concerns to rest with a glimpse into my normal daily routine. I've been playing EVE for 7 years and I'm even on the CSM, so I should be the archetypal community member
06:30: Wake up, shower
06:45: Start up the ol' PC and log into the EVE forums. Spend a few minutes reviewing the CSM folder for any new topics or updates on how to screw the rest of the players over.
07:00: Find a thread by a new player. Spend 15 minutes convincing him that he's worthless and stupid and no-one loves him.
07:15: Log into EVE, make a little ISK by ransoming some day 1 new players.
07:45: OK time to go to work!
07:50: Push an old lady in front of the bus. Hahaha awesome look at the way her head burst! (Loot her handbag before getting on the bus)
08:00: Get to work. Pick up a bacon sandwich from the staff resteraunt paid for with the old lady's pathetic amount of money. Mmmm bacon!
08:15: Spend 45 minutes in the bathroom weeping uncontrollably as the repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse come flooding out AGAIN.
09:00: Repress memories. Log into work. Deliberately do everything wrong because I'm so immature. Blame everyone else for the "errors" and continue my insidious campaign to get the one decent, competent person on the team booted out for being a goody two shoes (and also women make me super uncomfortable)
12:00 Lunch! Pick up a sandwich and stroll around town for half an hour. Kill a dog.
12:45 Back to work! Spend most of the time on the EVE forums making people hate themselves and life because that's how people should be.
17:00 Time to head home. Offer the bus driver money to drive right through a group of schoolchildren using the road crossing.
17:30 Back to the basement! Order 2 XXL double chilli meat feast pizzas. Shower and change into my furry costume (my fursona is a 6' man-leech)
18:00 Pizza is here! Lay both pies on the floor, roll around naked on them. Go into the garden and ask the kids next door if they'd like to lick my pale, flabby body clean?
19:00 Log into EVE, gank and scam a few more trusting, hopeful new players and record their tears for the alliance orgy, held every year on midwinters' EVE. Chat with the CCP devs on skype and share the choicest morsels of pain and suffering with them.
23:00 And so to bed.
So as you can see OP, we're just normal ordinary people living normal ordinary lives, passionate about playing a game we enjoy
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If you want an example of the EvE community, this is it. The worst attempt at english or trolling you've ever seen.
Blame your generation for being the worst parents ever. If you crap on a plant without watering it, it wouldn't grow up correctly either.
Ace, you make a valid point.
Malcanis- seriously funny. Thanks for the laugh!
The thing with EVE is, somewhere over a ten year span, somewhere in the first few years really the decision was made that because EVE Online is a 'cold, harsh, universe' that meant people were duty bound to be pricks of the first order. Each time someone pulls a dirty stunt, the next guy has to one up it and so it goes.
Yes, OP the EVE online community is being lead by some of the strangest specimens our species has to offer. Because they are able to rob you of so much of your time in moments, it is a detriment to players of EVE Online and it will be the poison that prevents EVE Online from ever growing out of its toy smashing, kindergarten level game play.
It's just a roleplaying video game. It's got nothing to do with a person's real life morals and values.
CCP has a fanfest every year and how many players of this game that attend suffer injury at the hands of other players while they are there?
Again, it's just a roleplaying video game. Just because a person RPs a pirate in a game doesn't mean they will steal a damn thing from you in real life.
Relax, understand it's just a game, go RP a character of your own, and have some fun.
The thing with scamming is that there is nothing graceful to it, nothing to admire even as you disapprove of it (for some reason, I'm thinking of that Steve Martin - Michael Caine film Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, with two con artists in Southern France who make a bet as to who will succeed in defrauding a rich lady). It's mostly stupid stuff, like 50,000 zydrine at 600 apiece = 300 million, or selling the wrong ship, or that margin buying scam where the scammer will use a three-pronged approach, one to set up a fake buy order, one to sell every item on the regional market, and one to advertise how good a deal that is (if it's that good a deal, why don't you buy it yourself?). It's stupid, it's annoying, but I guess it works. On whom, I don't know. Prices are too expensive for newbies, and veterans should be aware of all the tricks already.
As for the "community", the funny thing is that I'm not even sure there is one, except the trash talkers on the official forum which do succeed in making the entire player base look like self-absorbed jackasses. Instead, EVE is what happens when nobody is encouraged to trust anyone; the "community" disintegrates into small groups of people you already know. There seems to be a sort of camaraderie among miners, because mining is the mark of the carebear, I suppose, but for anything more fun, it seems entirely about distrust.
Also, I do recall that people - Goons, not surprisingly - did rally around Mittani when he made that utterly tasteless "if you want to make the guy kill himself" - something that's a crime in Iceland, by the way. And see how other threads on this very forum, not to mention the official forum, still treat him like a guru whose blog they follow assiduously. They've allowed Mittani to become an ambassador for the game, and the ambassador ended up drunk in public and said, with cameras rolling (I'm old-fashioned), that a guy should be encouraged to commit suicide. Not just a famous player and the most visible spokesman for one of the largest alliances in the game, but also one that the player base elected to the CSM and undoubtedly would have re-elected to the function to this day if he had not come to his senses (perhaps with a liberal dose of CCP arm-twisting).
Even with Mittani out of the picture, Goons still behave like they run the game. The other day, I was passing through a system in Caldari space when I saw over local chat that they were bullying ice miners for violating their so-called interdiction: "Everyone stop mining now!" diktats and so on.
There's no community, but there is a caste system. The big boys and their nullsec alliances on top, with their occasional war but usually busy basking in a Cold War situation where they don't like the other guys because they don't like the other guys, and otherwise pissing off the carebears when they get bored. (Nobody ever forced them to find a good reason for it.) The lowsec pirates getting whatever crumbs they can get. And at the bottom, the complete bottom, the Empire carebears and their missions, and mining, and -- what else is there, really? That huge battle that there was a few weeks ago? Out in Empire, it was utterly insignificant. When I heard about it, I thought "they're playing a completely different game, one I'll never get the opportunity to see". At the bottom, there is nothing, and it's boring; and at the top, sociopaths I don't want to interact with.
hundreds of thousands of people play EVE. The very large majority of them don't scam. Beware of generalising.
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Excellent post Malcanis, thanks for sharing it. But you left out the most important task of the day, working with the CCP Devs (who are all secretly members of Goonswarm) to make sure the game is totally designed in their favor.
I miss this game. Despite the naysayers, i found it to be in fact one of the best communities out there, all a matter of how you approach it and interact with others.
Unlike most MMO's out there, people are free to be what they want to be, and in some cases, total arses is their preferred play style.
But there are so many great people in EVE as well, and I've flown with so many of them over the 4.5 years in EVE......
The trick is, you can either play the role of a victim, or decide to take matters into hand and forge your own destiny, it's really all up to you to decide.
And no, you cannot legislate fairness in EVE, you learn to carve that out for yourself and others.
What a great universe.
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I have to agree with the op on how bad the community has become on this game. especially in public chats such as mining chat. i've been playing this game since 2005 and i've seen a big difference from when i first started. at the same time though i've been playing mmos since the late 90s and i've seen the over all trend of how the mmo community in general has gone from mainly being a bunch of nerds to a bunch of trolls. since the internet has become so easily accessible, the same trolls you would normally get away from in the 90s are the same trolls now on the internet doing what they do best.
the weird part is that they are so used to it, they dont even know they are doing it. i reported my very first player in eve last week, after 8 years. i had just logged in, and bam. there was a message on chat that said "F*** ***** people." aka, people of my skin color. he was warned by ccp and for the next two days he kept on and on how he is some innocent victim in chat.
is eve the worst community? nah, league of legend still holds that title. has it become worse since its launch? oh yea most definitely. but in EVE's defense, the internet in general has become more of a toilet bowl.
I dunno why people think the community is bad in eve - people in general are very helpful and mature. Getting blown up/scammed/awoxed has nothing to do with community, don't take things so personal. It's like complaining the community in dota is bad because they keep farming you over and over - it's nonsense and part of the game.
Also, I found the community in dota slightly worse than eve. Then again I might be biased since any community looks nice to me compared to another game I played called hon - the epithome of cancer of all gaming communities.
"I got my ship blown up and no one would agree with me that it wasn't fair and it wasn't my fault therefore EVE has the worst community"
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Maybe its you ?
When i started Eve Online any questions i had were anwered.
There were people that assisted me constandly.
When i joined CFC and had my 1st kill i was showered in isk hundres of millions of isk, i think around 2 billion lol
Eve Online has the best community out of every damn mmo i have ever played in 15 years.
Do they have trolls ? offcourse wich mmo doesnt ?
Do they have angry frustrated little kids ? offcourse wich mmo doesnt ?
Does Eve has the oldest average playerbase in any mmo ? 1000% yes.
Also Eve is the most hardcore mmo ever created, you can lose everything in a hearthbeat.
So naturaly it attracts the most "hardcore" people, yet i remember my 1st steps into Eve where i was ganked in my Vexor in Hisec, the ganker gave my 10 times thw worth of my ship back.
Dunno what stuff i can add, but i have a totaly diffrent expirience then you when playing Eve o7
Pretty much this, Eve samples like any game from real life...In that it draws it's population from that of the real world. Sadly most people are douchebags, moreso when they can get away with it and there are no consequences. Guess what, there are hardly any consequences for being an asshole in a virtual world. So that douchebag that just shoved you and told you to watch where you're walking? Yep.....
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This is your mistake, EVE is a virtual world that more closely mimics human behavior in the real world, (especially in the absence of law) than a controlled game like environment.
We're all just 3 days of starvation from total anarchy and when our infrastructure collapses you get places like Somalia.
EVE's sort of like that, but unlike you've I found much good in the EVE community, heck I even flew next to and fought with the Goons as it suited my alliances purposes.
But they were still arses.... no doubt about that.
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