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SOE Stance on the Community and Trolls

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  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465
    Originally posted by rojo6934
    Originally posted by Burntvet

    SOE has nothing to say, when it comes to talking the shaet about anything or anyone.

    I seem to recall several times in the past when they made fun of and criticized their own paying customers.

     

    You can say all the bad things about SOE that you want, so long as they are true (and there are plenty of things to pick from).

    No need to make anything up.

     

    what you you prefer: 1) A company who did things wrong in the past and try to change for good. Or 2) a company who did crap in the past and keep doing crap and will stay doing crap in the future?

     

    The mindset in your post is that same mindset that prevents society from evolving in the right direction. It keeps devolving when people think this way.

     

    EDIT: i agree with the last part, as long as people call them out the right way.

    That assumes they have changed or will change anything. SOE is going to sudden care about  and/or respect its customers (i.e. the people paying them money)?

    When it is the same exact people running SOE, that is a big assumption.

    People can't call out SOE when they do a shitty job at something? (Especially something game breaking like the uncontrolled bots and cheating in PS2 for instance.)

    And as a former customer, pardon me if I don't swallow what SOE says hook, line, sinker, and fishing pole.

     

     

  • grifjgrifj Member Posts: 110
    Originally posted by Foomerang

    I think people would be less critical of soe if they would just shut the eff up and make the game. Enough talk.

    Very much this.  But they've already screwed the pooch on the EQN reveal.  Leading up to it they were allowing the hype train to run with the idea that the actual game, EQN, would be in our hands this year.  We all know that was a bunch of Georgeson BS at this point and just a way to get people to watch the reveal.  At this point I don't buy anything SOE spins us.

  • JustsomenoobJustsomenoob Member UncommonPosts: 880

    I'm all for getting rid of players that are a problem in game or even on the official message boards

     

    But for people saying stuff on twitter or on some other 3rd party service?  Best to leave that alone.

  • Burdoc101Burdoc101 Member UncommonPosts: 283

    There is a difference between being a "troll", being rude and giving thoughtful criticism. I for one am glad SOE is taking a stance on the matter inside and outside the community no matter who you are. I will disagree with SOE and object if they ever ban people for criticism on their game. If they create a bad game and the feedback is justified, thought out they should not cross that line. However I believe that SOE and the people producing EQN are truly excited about their game and the community to be involved with it. They want a friendly environment and are excited about the game. I believe they are okay with negative feedback as long as its not:

     

    For Example purposes only:

    "#$%$ing game is stupid!"

    "SOE employees should go hang themselves!"

     

    These type of negative responses should be banned. They are not well thought out and give no constructive feedback. I want people like this banned and I will continue to applaud SOE if they keep their word. 

  • Burdoc101Burdoc101 Member UncommonPosts: 283
    Originally posted by Justsomenoob

    I'm all for getting rid of players that are a problem in game or even on the official message boards

     

    But for people saying stuff on twitter or on some other 3rd party service?  Best to leave that alone.

    I would say its fine and justified to ban people on 3rd party services. People tweet game developers death threats now a days for changes to a game. Look at CoD for example. People like that should be banned from the game. There should be punishments for threats even if they are "fake". 

     

    Thought out criticism should be maintained. This will make for a healthier community and environment. 

  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130
    Originally posted by Burdoc101
    Originally posted by Justsomenoob

    I'm all for getting rid of players that are a problem in game or even on the official message boards

     

    But for people saying stuff on twitter or on some other 3rd party service?  Best to leave that alone.

    I would say its fine and justified to ban people on 3rd party services. People tweet game developers death threats now a days for changes to a game. Look at CoD for example. People like that should be banned from the game. There should be punishments for threats even if they are "fake". 

     

    Thought out criticism should be maintained. This will make for a healthier community and environment. 

     

    So what's next the government starts to try to keep people out of America that don't agree with it's policies? 2/3 of the American Popuplation would get the boot over "Obama Care" (universal health care that EVER industrialized nation in the world has)...

     

    But hey they don't agree with what the majority of the government passed so and they are very angry and vocal about it.  Time to hunt them down on facebook track where they live, tell them to either be quiet or arrest them and send them to Alaska.

     

    People should be allowed to voice whatever opinions they want about whatever they want, that's what makes this America and not Syria...

     

    You people don't seem to understand what is going on here.  They are not just simple banning people that give out death threats.. They are banning people that don't agree with the direction they are taking in their games (Happening in Planetsid 2 right now).  That's taking things WAY to far!  Stop being fanbois for a minute and see this for what it is.

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    You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith

  • AdalwulffAdalwulff Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,152

    This is fascism, nothing less

    Can u hear the flush of freedom?

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  • ray12kray12k Member UncommonPosts: 487
    yep, I am not going to play this game.... I can see it now getting banned for pvping lol
  • OzivoisOzivois Member UncommonPosts: 598
    Originally posted by Adalwulff

    This is fascism, nothing less

    Can u hear the flush of freedom?

    If you google fascism, it turns out that it would be pretty cool if SOE managed EQ Next in a fascist manner. It would be a WOW killer.

    Oh, by the way, our freedoms are guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America and have nothing to do with your gaming privileges with SOE. "Freedom of gaming" is not one of the Amendments to the Constitution...

     

  • Burdoc101Burdoc101 Member UncommonPosts: 283
    Originally posted by Tinybina
    Originally posted by Burdoc101
    Originally posted by Justsomenoob

    I'm all for getting rid of players that are a problem in game or even on the official message boards

     

    But for people saying stuff on twitter or on some other 3rd party service?  Best to leave that alone.

    I would say its fine and justified to ban people on 3rd party services. People tweet game developers death threats now a days for changes to a game. Look at CoD for example. People like that should be banned from the game. There should be punishments for threats even if they are "fake". 

     

    Thought out criticism should be maintained. This will make for a healthier community and environment. 

     

    So what's next the government starts to try to keep people out of America that don't agree with it's policies? 2/3 of the American Popuplation would get the boot over "Obama Care" (universal health care that EVER industrialized nation in the world has)...

     

    But hey they don't agree with what the majority of the government passed so and they are very angry and vocal about it.  Time to hunt them down on facebook track where they live, tell them to either be quiet or arrest them and send them to Alaska.

     

    People should be allowed to voice whatever opinions they want about whatever they want, that's what makes this America and not Syria...

     

    You people don't seem to understand what is going on here.  They are not just simple banning people that give out death threats.. They are banning people that don't agree with the direction they are taking in their games (Happening in Planetsid 2 right now).  That's taking things WAY to far!  Stop being fanbois for a minute and see this for what it is.

     

    This is a video game, not a country. There is a time for extreme opinions when its about war, death, racism and such topics, but for video games there is no need, because it is not life changing or life threatening. My focus is going to be on  video games and SOE. 

    I agree that people should be able to critique a game with their own opinions without fear of being banned for it. If the game is bad it should receive the flak it deserves.

    I disagree however that flak should come in the form of extreme negative responses like I listed above. There is a polite way of being rude and I believe that it should be enforced. Being tactful. 

    SOE is setting guidelines for its community so that we have a friendly environment. I agree with this. Whether I am a "fan boy" or not, I would accept these guidelines for other games as well.

    If SOE is banning players for polite, thought out critique; shame on them for doing that. Please post examples of this so that we can see. 

    If you watch the videos and see their emotions and how they are wanting to make this game great with the community. Its all the reason I need to believe that there is no secret agenda or corruption behind their thoughts. 

     

  • Burdoc101Burdoc101 Member UncommonPosts: 283

    Do we not have guidelines already within our MMOs? Why do we petition GMs about bad behavior player? Why do players have to wait for the GMs or developer to enforce? They should be able to act and get rid of bad behavior players as they see fit to their guidelines. 

    I do not want to play with players that make death threats to developers of any game. Nor do I want to even see the ramblings of un-thoughtful criticism that involves the words fuck. It has no place.

    People should be tactful and polite while providing criticism in both a positive and negative manner. This type of behavior I would be perfectly okay with. If this behavior was ever punished I would upset with the company.

  • Baramos79Baramos79 Member Posts: 73

    If they aren't putting up with trolls, they should fire Smed.

    I kid I kid (kinda).

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

    Does anyone else get the feeling there is another agenda here?

    I have NOT seen SOE operate in this manner and i have been in and out of EQ2 since launch.

    I will admit that i have not seen SOE operate illegally or in a criminal manner yet,does not mean they are not dirty behind closed doors.We do KNOW for FACT that EA has operated under sub par standards with VERY poor morals,so not like we should trust everyone.

    You know why i suspect another agenda,two reasons.There was a large gaming serminar that basically revolved around the developers complaining about the negativity of the market.Is it really unjust when almost no game can hold a customer beyond 2 months?I would say that is delivering a sub par effort and DESERVES criticism.I think they are trying to twist POOR effort around with EXCUSES,blaming negativity.

    Second reason i suspect something is WHY,why the need to all of a sudden bring this up now?Are SOE telling us they never upheld proper standards before and we should know that only now they are going to begin to?Seriously why now,i think we have ALWAYS expected people to operate with proper morals and treat everyone with the same respect or fairness.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • HalandirHalandir Member UncommonPosts: 773
    Originally posted by Burdoc101

    Do we not have guidelines already within our MMOs? Why do we petition GMs about bad behavior player? Why do players have to wait for the GMs or developer to enforce? They should be able to act and get rid of bad behavior players as they see fit to their guidelines. 

    I do not want to play with players that make death threats to developers of any game. Nor do I want to even see the ramblings of un-thoughtful criticism that involves the words fuck. It has no place.

    People should be tactful and polite while providing criticism in both a positive and negative manner. This type of behavior I would be perfectly okay with. If this behavior was ever punished I would upset with the company.

     

    You are absolutely right. I even tend to agree with (what I read as, in the eqnation link you posted) the message that the, imo, somewhat offensive looking female person, is trying to send.

    But when the person said: "if we know who you are and you’re abusing somebody on Twitter"... She probably (hopefully) knows that she is skating on extremely thin/imagined ice.

    How does twitter.com feel about SOE trying to control the behavior of some of twitters users?

    Yes I know Sony got away from some criminally stupid internet behavior in the past (storing client cc/personal info online unencrypted and getting "hacked") but I doubt they will take things half as far as that female person tries to project.

     

    We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
    (repeat ad infinitum)

  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529
    Originally posted by Halandir
     

    You are absolutely right. I even tend to agree with (what I read as, in the eqnation link you posted) the message that the, imo, somewhat offensive looking female person, is trying to send.

    But when the person said: "if we know who you are and you’re abusing somebody on Twitter"... She probably (hopefully) knows that she is skating on extremely thin/imagined ice.

    How does twitter.com feel about SOE trying to control the behavior of some of twitters users?

    Yes I know Sony got away from some criminally stupid internet behavior in the past (storing client cc/personal info online unencrypted and getting "hacked") but I doubt they will take things half as far as that female person tries to project.

     

    There is nothing stopping Twitter to say 'if you say something bad on SOE we'll ban you'.

    Sony isn't trying to control behaviour of someone. They are trying to not give you their service if you behave in a certain way.

    If I use my mobile to do bad / illegal things, my cellular provider will (and should) suspend my mobile.

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • FangrimFangrim Member UncommonPosts: 616
    Yeah right,like they jumped on the parasites that exploited PR for 3 years in EQ2 and destroyed the economy.


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  • ray12kray12k Member UncommonPosts: 487
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Originally posted by Halandir
     

    You are absolutely right. I even tend to agree with (what I read as, in the eqnation link you posted) the message that the, imo, somewhat offensive looking female person, is trying to send.

    But when the person said: "if we know who you are and you’re abusing somebody on Twitter"... She probably (hopefully) knows that she is skating on extremely thin/imagined ice.

    How does twitter.com feel about SOE trying to control the behavior of some of twitters users?

    Yes I know Sony got away from some criminally stupid internet behavior in the past (storing client cc/personal info online unencrypted and getting "hacked") but I doubt they will take things half as far as that female person tries to project.

     

    There is nothing stopping Twitter to say 'if you say something bad on SOE we'll ban you'.

    Sony isn't trying to control behaviour of someone. They are trying to not give you their service if you behave in a certain way.

    If I use my mobile to do bad / illegal things, my cellular provider will (and should) suspend my mobile.

    So everyone that sexts and sends rated r messages via a phone should be banned?

    lol illegal I understand but SOE is taking it a step to far. They are killing their mmo's before then even release gj...

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856
    can troll call this racism vs troll ?(sony s plan)
  • HalandirHalandir Member UncommonPosts: 773
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Originally posted by Halandir
     

    You are absolutely right. I even tend to agree with (what I read as, in the eqnation link you posted) the message that the, imo, somewhat offensive looking female person, is trying to send.

    But when the person said: "if we know who you are and you’re abusing somebody on Twitter"... She probably (hopefully) knows that she is skating on extremely thin/imagined ice.

    How does twitter.com feel about SOE trying to control the behavior of some of twitters users?

    Yes I know Sony got away from some criminally stupid internet behavior in the past (storing client cc/personal info online unencrypted and getting "hacked") but I doubt they will take things half as far as that female person tries to project.

     

    There is nothing stopping Twitter to say 'if you say something bad on SOE we'll ban you'.

    Sony isn't trying to control behaviour of someone. They are trying to not give you their service if you behave in a certain way.

    If I use my mobile to do bad / illegal things, my cellular provider will (and should) suspend my mobile.

    Nothing wrong with twitter saying that! - Their house, their rules!

    However, the person saying it is NOT employed by, or representing twitter... Spot the problem?

    Oh, and btw: The essence here is exactly that Sony IS trying to control behaviour! 

     

    Lets take your mobile example away from "illegal" and stay with "bad things" (which is within the context of what this Sony spokesperson is communicating):

    John is using CastCom Inc. as mobile provider... He walks into Mc CrapperKing and buys a burger. The lettuce in the burger is rotten and he complains and even post a picture to his friends, using his CastCom connection. The lettuce overseer at Mc CrapperKing later learns that John used his CastCom connection to post a non-positive image of a Mc CrapperKing product and calls CastCom. CastCom immediately terminates Johns account: He did a "bad thing"!

    Not quite how things work out IRL - Even if Mc CrapperKing is a valued CastCom client :-)

     

    We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
    (repeat ad infinitum)

  • strykr619strykr619 Member UncommonPosts: 287
    Originally posted by Renoaku

    Are you seriously trying to play Planetside 2 with a PC that you used to play Planetside 1? That was, what ... 10 years ago? Don't you think it's time to change said PC? After all, even the consoles changed two generations since then.

    Nope But this pc can play planetside 1 great, can't play planetside 2 or EverQuest 2 even in low graphics it lags like heck.

    Here is a list of games I do run okay in max graphics.

    DarkFall Unholy Wars

    Age OF Conan

    Rift

    Guild Wars 2

    Final Fantasy XIV

    I often run multiple clients of DarkFall Unholy Wars I have no issues with lag.

    It is just Sonys game.

    What I am saying is the developers who designed PlanetSide 1 knew what they were doing.

    Sure buddy, I personally think your lying and your nothing more then an SoE hater. Oh and I hope SoE takes no bs from stupid trolls I can't stand them , they are the kind of people that deserved to be stomped into the ground.

  • AdalwulffAdalwulff Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,152
    Originally posted by Ozivois
    Originally posted by Adalwulff

    This is fascism, nothing less

    Can u hear the flush of freedom?

    If you google fascism, it turns out that it would be pretty cool if SOE managed EQ Next in a fascist manner. It would be a WOW killer.

    Oh, by the way, our freedoms are guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America and have nothing to do with your gaming privileges with SOE. "Freedom of gaming" is not one of the Amendments to the Constitution...

     

     

    Where did I say anything about the constitution?

    And you just proved my point. The gaming industry can ban anyone they want for whatever reason, just as you said, we are not protected in ANY way.

    That is fascism, look it up

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  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130
    Originally posted by strykr619
    Originally posted by Renoaku

    Are you seriously trying to play Planetside 2 with a PC that you used to play Planetside 1? That was, what ... 10 years ago? Don't you think it's time to change said PC? After all, even the consoles changed two generations since then.

    Nope But this pc can play planetside 1 great, can't play planetside 2 or EverQuest 2 even in low graphics it lags like heck.

    Here is a list of games I do run okay in max graphics.

    DarkFall Unholy Wars

    Age OF Conan

    Rift

    Guild Wars 2

    Final Fantasy XIV

    I often run multiple clients of DarkFall Unholy Wars I have no issues with lag.

    It is just Sonys game.

    What I am saying is the developers who designed PlanetSide 1 knew what they were doing.

    Sure buddy, I personally think your lying and your nothing more then an SoE hater. Oh and I hope SoE takes no bs from stupid trolls I can't stand them , they are the kind of people that deserved to be stomped into the ground.

     

    Speaking of Troll

     

    You do know that SOE has stopped developing anything in Planetside 2 right now because they are trying to "Focus" on fixing Optimization!!

     

    Every single thing they have talked about putting into the game (what they call a Roadmap) from Hossin, Implants, new weapons, Battle Islands, etc has been put on hold until they finally do what they should have done last year and that is make the game playable for everyone.

     

    They recently dropped a "Hotfix" in advance of this huge "Optimization Patch" they are about to spew out.  And that "Hotfix" broke about 20 other things, not to mention it had bugs like this in it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP2cX3O7Ckg  that were reported on the test server for weeks prior to this "Hotfix".  But somehow the awesome Tech Support team managed to ignore all those /reports and that annoying bug along with others made it into the "Hotfix."  

     

    Then they had to release another Hotfix (which was broke too) to fix the Hotfix.  Then they had to release another Hotfix to fix the Hotfix that tried to fix the Hotfix!!

     

    So when this guy talks about how he can run pretty much any other MMO without problems, somehow I think he might be telling the truth. Maybe if you were to take off your SOE tented sunglasses you would understand this. Even SOE understands Planetside runs like crap for a lot of people.

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    You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith

  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Member Posts: 1,059

    I am looking at it like the vote to kick button in a dungeon group right now. It has good uses and abuses but I am not sure I want big business making the calls anymore than I trust your typical snotty raid guild to not kick the PUG guy they picked up before the loot roll. I really need to read more about the specifics on this. Can you see the day when SOE has people reading a board like this and banning players for trashing an aspect of their game here? EA did something like that on another board as I remember from the net news stories. Took the kid’s account and rights to play games bought with it for trashing a product too loudly.

  • odelldanieljodelldanielj Member UncommonPosts: 25
    IDK, I seem to remember back when EQON was still going, and people were complaining about stuff that needed fixing, a DEV came on the boards and told people how dare they demand anything be fixed or content be updated.  Instead of having to deal with it, I guess they are finally just going to limit the speech of paying customers.
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