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tmkctmtmkctm Member Posts: 12
Ok so I've been hunting a game that I could stick with for a long time. I played 6 years DDO on a single toon. That's just my cup of tea - investing and caring for my toon like I did on table-top DnD as a kid. I left DDO because i pretty much "finished" the game. I'm going to elaborate alot in this post cause i want to be specific, maybe too specific about what I am looking for, so please be patient - i need your help :)
I moved to LOTRO - no skill tree, you just get skills as you level up and you got some control on how your "build" will be but hardly like DDO with it's multiclass system. Further more - boring combat system. Moved then to NW - great game, two problems: the game is young and the servers keep DCing certain players every 5 seconds, making the game uplayable. the other problem is that the game is way too short - made it to cap with casual play in like a week, made enough astral diamonds to buy the top gear from AH. So I moved to TERA - didn't like the open world system but the game was great and fun, but instance-base is more what I am looking for. The other problem is that after 30 levels and only 2 instances I realized I'm simply a goffer - I am doing the exact same quest all the time - "go kill 5 and come back"... boring. So I moved to Vindictus. Nice action-combat but again no skill tree, pretty much the same 1 button you use to kill, and the quests keep sending you to the same instances so you simply run the same instance 5 times for 5 different missions, plus i was level 40 in less than three days, way too easy. So I moved to Wizardry online - now that game I liked - hardcore DnD atmosphere  and it's not the boss you should be afraid of - every battle, every HP that goes away scares ya... and it has Permadeath and crime system (though a bit absord and taken too far, still allows you to be more than just a swing/cast-machine). But the respawn rate... no god can create so many creatures - ruined the entire game for me. monsters comming back while you are still fighting to defeat their friends. you must constanly move, no time to search, look around, enjoy yourself.
Besides those games, I looked at endless lists and watched endless youtube videos. There are several games that look nice and fit what I want but I just don't know anymore.
So... I am desparate... really. So here is what I am looking for and I hope someone can help:
 
1. Must be able to play 3rd person POV, 1st person gives me headache.
2. 3D graphics, I don't need fabulous, amazing, klling graphics, I just need nice - ddo was all polygons and I didn't care less.
3. Atmosphere - as close to DnD as possible, that rules out any non-fantasy, sci-fi games and also the hardcore asian-fantasy games (nothing personal but TERA was too "final fantasy" for me though i got used to it since it was still somewhat close to the concepts of DnD). Also, if you can be something other than adventurer then it's a huge plus (like have a lifestyle, profession etc.)
4. Difficulty - hard. very. I want to feel each level I gain, each gear I upgrade, each loot I rightfully ... looted. but the game should still be somewhat soloable to an experienced MMO player. At least until mid-way.
5. Skill tree and Builds - can't say it enough. it's important that my last choice on how my combat will look like won't end at character creation.
6. instance-base - well... it's felxible, but it goes with the atmosphere that you are in a dungeon with your group and no guy twice the level of the mosnters can come by and one-shot everything. open world is ok but it should be at least half of the game that i spend in a scary exciting place... alone.
7. I don't care much about PvP but it shouldn't interrupt with my soloing. it's nice to be afraid of other people that can "rob" you or murder you, but at least at towns I expect some safety or at least when I need to go afk.
8. F2P... of course.
9. instances has no respawns, open world has but not faster enough than you cant kill 5 monsters at the same spot without worrying the ones you killed already will come back.
10. action base comabt
 
I was very specific and of course I don't expect to find EXACTLY everything on my list. I just wrote everything and the clostest you get me the better.
Thank you if you took the time to read all this long post and if you help me out. Now I am going to see maybe Everquest 1/2 has what I am looking for...

Comments

  • OldTimeGamerOldTimeGamer Member Posts: 87

    As an old D&D player, and former player of DDO, it sounds like the term "WOW clone", when it is accurately applied, should be useful to you in your search.

    World of Warcraft was based on Warhammer, which started life as a genericised wargame version of D&D from 1983.

     

  • tmkctmtmkctm Member Posts: 12
    you mean WoW specifically?
    Isn't wow only open-world? plus isn't it more like LOTRO in its combat style? Looking for action-combat mmorpg
  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Member UncommonPosts: 884
    Originally posted by tmkctm
    you mean WoW specifically?
    Isn't wow only open-world? plus isn't it more like LOTRO in its combat style? Looking for action-combat mmorpg

    Buy yourself a copy of Neverwinter Nights 2 from GOG and find a player world. That is about the only option that I know of that might meet your needs.

    James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722

    OP, your OP post describes Neverwinter Online.

    It kind of lacks difficulty with some classes but it fits the description you gave. Check it out to see if its what you want. And its F2P.





  • tmkctmtmkctm Member Posts: 12
    Regarding NWN2, did it, loved it, grinded it xD.
    Regarding NW online, as I said - I wish I could play it but the game keeps DCing constantly and the Devs totally disregard any ticket on the matter and I saw several of them on the forums. If NW would work for me, I would have been good and set for another year probably
  • OldTimeGamerOldTimeGamer Member Posts: 87

    If you are fond of NW Online (NW) but the game itself is having problems then I have an unconventional suggestion for you.

    Why not play the MMO that NW was derived from: Champions Online (CO)?

    If you play it free to play it has Classes (Archetypes), build decisions, plenty of instances and essentially the same mechanics.

    You can even design a fantasy character using the character builder, although the first time you create a character you will be presented with a simpler character editor, and many of the F2P archetypes map well to D&D classes.

    Here is my mapping of D&D classes to CO F2P Archetypes:

    • Fighter (The Blade)
    • Wizard (The Mage)
    • An Evoker (The Inferno)
    • Archery based Ranger (The Marksman)
    • Psionics (The Mind)
    • Cleric (The Healer)
    • Paladin, Anti-Paladin or two weapons based Ranger (The Unleashed)
    Your character could be an exile from a fantasy dimension, seeking a means to return.
     
    There is a fair bit of play in Champions Online, for although there is no new content you can play the existing content for months, and during that time they might fix the problems you dislike in NW Online.
  • tmkctmtmkctm Member Posts: 12
    That sounds great. I looked into Champions vids and didn't try it since it's not DnD fanatasy-style, but the way you describe it might just work for me.
    Thank you :)
  • DauntisDauntis Member UncommonPosts: 600

    When did you try Neverwinter Online? It is pretty stable now. 

    I think you ask an awful lot of a free to play. lol

    CO is good for character creation but I found the stories and game play boring as hell. 

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  • tmkctmtmkctm Member Posts: 12
    Well i didn't ask it ALL. Besides, all the features are out there, it's just a very specific style I am looking for.
    I tried re-installing NW 4 days ago. In the 10 minutes I spent online I got DCed I think something around the 20-30 times.
    Tried champions by the way. I need my fantasy-fix :) I'm a DnD player at heart
  • OldTimeGamerOldTimeGamer Member Posts: 87

    Another thing you might want to consider is the Pathfinder MMO.

    When Wizards brought out D&D4 it was a disaster and a lot of old players abandoned the product line.

    However Pathfinder succeeded in producing a classic role-playing game licensed from the previous version of D&D, with improvements to some tidy things up and expand others.  Pathfinder essentially picked up that D&D market that Wizards inadvertently lost via the madness of D&D4.

    With this success in hand, Pathfinder successfully used Kickstarter to raise over $1M to fund an MMO.  I don't believe it is ready to play yet but there might be some kind of early Beta you can investigate.

    Essentially this MMO should be more true to classic D&D than NW Online, which is infamously based on D&D4.

  • VassagoMaelVassagoMael Member Posts: 555
    Originally posted by OldTimeGamer

    As an old D&D player, and former player of DDO, it sounds like the term "WOW clone", when it is accurately applied, should be useful to you in your search.

    World of Warcraft was based on Warhammer, which started life as a genericised wargame version of D&D from 1983.

     

    Which started life as genericized Tolkien, which started life as genericized myths from human history, etc... etc...

    Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
    Subscription = Actual content updates!

  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,465

    Have you looked at Vanguard?   Has great atmosphere.   Main caveats would be that it is mostly not instanced.  The respawn rate is a touch too fast for me, and might be there for you as well.  Tough game, loads of class/races.  Interesting bits to explore, etc.   On the other hand, I consider most D&D rules to be haphazard and murky, and don't care for Neverwinter Online much, so our opinions may not line up that well.  

    Given your specific interests, you may have to wait....    A few possibilities in the next six months or so at least.

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • tmkctmtmkctm Member Posts: 12
    Yeah, tell me about it. Been checking Black Desert homepage several times to see if they are abot to release beta for the EU public as well. That game looks like what I want. And of course, there's the jewel I've been waiting for: Elder Scrolls Online. Subsribed to closed beta ... twice XD. I hope these won't disappoint but until they come out I need something.
    I know of Pathfinder but I didn't find any downloadable client of that game. It sounds like a DnD sandbox game, which can fit me nicely.
    I saw Vanguard's vids on youtube already, and you are right: it looks great but it has the same problem TERA had for me - I might look like goffer from the muppet show but I don't want to play one ;)
  • OldTimeGamerOldTimeGamer Member Posts: 87

    If you are waiting for MMOs to be released, and want to play something very much like D&D, then I can suggest a very left-field idea if you don't mind considering something very retro.

    Have you heard of Nethack?

  • tmkctmtmkctm Member Posts: 12
    hehe I just looked at it, that's some SERIOUS retro ;)
  • actionreactionactionreaction Member Posts: 82
    Originally posted by tmkctm
    Ok so I've been hunting a game that I could stick with for a long time. I played 6 years DDO on a single toon. That's just my cup of tea - investing and caring for my toon like I did on table-top DnD as a kid. I left DDO because i pretty much "finished" the game. I'm going to elaborate alot in this post cause i want to be specific, maybe too specific about what I am looking for, so please be patient - i need your help :)
    I moved to LOTRO - no skill tree, you just get skills as you level up and you got some control on how your "build" will be but hardly like DDO with it's multiclass system. Further more - boring combat system. Moved then to NW - great game, two problems: the game is young and the servers keep DCing certain players every 5 seconds, making the game uplayable. the other problem is that the game is way too short - made it to cap with casual play in like a week, made enough astral diamonds to buy the top gear from AH. So I moved to TERA - didn't like the open world system but the game was great and fun, but instance-base is more what I am looking for. The other problem is that after 30 levels and only 2 instances I realized I'm simply a goffer - I am doing the exact same quest all the time - "go kill 5 and come back"... boring. So I moved to Vindictus. Nice action-combat but again no skill tree, pretty much the same 1 button you use to kill, and the quests keep sending you to the same instances so you simply run the same instance 5 times for 5 different missions, plus i was level 40 in less than three days, way too easy. So I moved to Wizardry online - now that game I liked - hardcore DnD atmosphere  and it's not the boss you should be afraid of - every battle, every HP that goes away scares ya... and it has Permadeath and crime system (though a bit absord and taken too far, still allows you to be more than just a swing/cast-machine). But the respawn rate... no god can create so many creatures - ruined the entire game for me. monsters comming back while you are still fighting to defeat their friends. you must constanly move, no time to search, look around, enjoy yourself.
    Besides those games, I looked at endless lists and watched endless youtube videos. There are several games that look nice and fit what I want but I just don't know anymore.
    So... I am desparate... really. So here is what I am looking for and I hope someone can help:
     
    1. Must be able to play 3rd person POV, 1st person gives me headache.
    2. 3D graphics, I don't need fabulous, amazing, klling graphics, I just need nice - ddo was all polygons and I didn't care less.
    3. Atmosphere - as close to DnD as possible, that rules out any non-fantasy, sci-fi games and also the hardcore asian-fantasy games (nothing personal but TERA was too "final fantasy" for me though i got used to it since it was still somewhat close to the concepts of DnD). Also, if you can be something other than adventurer then it's a huge plus (like have a lifestyle, profession etc.)
    4. Difficulty - hard. very. I want to feel each level I gain, each gear I upgrade, each loot I rightfully ... looted. but the game should still be somewhat soloable to an experienced MMO player. At least until mid-way.
    5. Skill tree and Builds - can't say it enough. it's important that my last choice on how my combat will look like won't end at character creation.
    6. instance-base - well... it's felxible, but it goes with the atmosphere that you are in a dungeon with your group and no guy twice the level of the mosnters can come by and one-shot everything. open world is ok but it should be at least half of the game that i spend in a scary exciting place... alone.
    7. I don't care much about PvP but it shouldn't interrupt with my soloing. it's nice to be afraid of other people that can "rob" you or murder you, but at least at towns I expect some safety or at least when I need to go afk.
    8. F2P... of course.
    9. instances has no respawns, open world has but not faster enough than you cant kill 5 monsters at the same spot without worrying the ones you killed already will come back.
    10. action base comabt
     
    I was very specific and of course I don't expect to find EXACTLY everything on my list. I just wrote everything and the clostest you get me the better.
    Thank you if you took the time to read all this long post and if you help me out. Now I am going to see maybe Everquest 1/2 has what I am looking for...

    Asheron's Call

     

    1.  Both 3rd and 1st person, you can move your camera a thousand feet above you to see layout of town, where the next mountain ( you can climb mountains ) is, all sorts of thing, and is very intuitive, fluid.

    2. Graphics are not the best ( came out in 99' ), but once you get used to them you realize that this game has the most unique and original graphics you have ever seen, weapons are all differently awesome, thousands of different types of armor, and nothing gets Un used, you can find a sweet helmet you like, and tink it up to par, or just take the look you like and apply to an item with good stats.

    3.  Asheron's Call was originally based on D&D, it's about Castles, towns, magic and sword fighting, completely original monsters, and a vast variety to species.

     

    4.  In Asheron's Call it can be quite difficult, there is no "need" for a group, as you can completely free form your character and everything is viable, but with friends there is always good fun and different tactics to try.

     

    5. In AC you start with lets say 40 skill credits, and things cost credits, aka Heavy Weapons cost 6 to train, and 4 to specialize, Cooking cost 4, Life magic cost 12.  There is I believe over a 40-50 completely awesome skills that each have depth and meaning to them, you build your character how you want, and can respec in this game ( It's not super easy, but quite easy to do , with lore and quests behind it, ect ).

     

    So you could start as a Missile weapon/Creature/Life/Item Magic, and as you progress you gain more skill credits, you could pick up Lockpick, or maybe a Melee skill, anything you can think of.

     

    6.  Asheron's Call sounds like this is a perfect fit for you, when the game released it originally had 500 square kilometers of completely open world terrain, you can traverse mountains, jump up onto 50 ft rocks to perch, anything you can think of, there are many, many "dungeons", all completely unique and hand crafted, underground mining towns, or towers, or dirt hovels full of nasty beasts, pits to jump and doors to unlock.

     

    7.  AC has two different types of servers, White and Red - In white servers no person can normally attack you, you have the choice to use an alter which makes you Red - attackable by other red players, or you can go PK lite, which most people do, where you are Pink and just have fun with other Pink players without worry.

     

    On Red servers everyone can attack everyone, but most people join allegiances ( guilds ) and you usually do not team attack your friends, but there are big allegiance battles happenings constantly. 

    Some allegiances on Red Worlds, are called Anti-PK, they help noobs and do not KOS ( kill on sight ), and there are PK allegiances that attack everyone but there own guild.

    Guilds also "peace" together to take down more powerful guilds to take control over a valued landscape area or town.

    8.  Not F2P, sadly, but this game gets awesome updates, well worth your money, the story line for this game has been going for 13 years, and still going strong and remains exciting, developers sometimes play main story line characters, for example a big evil guy, came down, was played by a developer, many people tried to kill him, some people swore allegiance to him and used magic to heal and buff him, all sorts of things happen.

    9. The combat in Asheron's Call is a different pace entirely then most games, you'd have to try it.

    10. This game has all sorts of things Action based, you can side step and arrow coming at you, jump on a house to escape a pursuer,  all things are dodge-able in real time and active in the enviroment.

  • actionreactionactionreaction Member Posts: 82
    Originally posted by tmkctm
    hehe I just looked at it, that's some SERIOUS retro ;)

    Heres so videos for my above post, like I said once you get into you hardly notice the graphics because the world is so awesome,

     

    first video & second is from a White Server, of a random quest -   ( hyper linked and direct Http )

     

    First

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=A7aF9idIjjY

    Second

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zn64dy1zgHw

     

    here is a video from some PVP in AC

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rhLdzvLtemQ

     

    as you can notice, you can dodge anything! makes for a very very skill based game

  • MaurizioMaurizio Member UncommonPosts: 162

    Have you ever taken a look at Wurm Online?

    Check out the video http://wurmonline.com/

  • kjempffkjempff Member RarePosts: 1,759

    There are no games that will check on that full list.

    Every DDO player hates Neverwinter although that is possibly the closest match to what You describe, fun for awhile but not long term. I would look towards older mmorpgs to find some of what You seek, but those will definately also have what You don't want.

    With older games atleast You will get to build a character for a long time, real fantasy worlds You can beleive in and not just playgrounds for gamers. Although You might not have action like the modern button mash and movemovemove style, You can still push Yourself into situations where you need much skill and quick thinking to survive. EQ1, AC, Vanguard. Or if You want to go out of Your element, Path of Exile on hardcore (permadeath) might just present some fun for You, although its hard to tell what are total turnoffs for people :) Cheers, good luck.

  • tmkctmtmkctm Member Posts: 12
    Well, Wurm looks very nice, is it also a 3rd person pov? the vids show only 1st person POV.
    Also, What should I go for - PvP server or PvE server. I liked the "sandbox" of it as it presented on the website, but question is: is there the RPG side of it (you know - you have a toon, it builds a house, city, becomes cleric, king whatever but also does dungeon delving and progress on the character sheet)
     
    Looked a AC. polygon fun XD, will try it as well, though it was hard to tell if it's open persistant world or dungeon based MMORPG.
     
    Thanks everyone that took their time to help me so far. I will find my nish eventually thanks to you
  • LIOKILIOKI Member UncommonPosts: 421
    Your DC issue is most likely vid card drivers. I had the same problem, went backwards to a stable driver and it worked.
  • rodingorodingo Member RarePosts: 2,870
    There is always Age of Conan if no one has mentioned it yet, or if you havn't tried it yet.  I'm pretty sure they still have skill/talent trees if that's your thing.  It's sword and sorcery but has that old ancient world vibe as opposed to a more medieval setting like NW online. It also has a strong art style.  You will eventually be using up to 3-5 button presses to get one combo move off.  It also has the standard roles of characters such as rogue, mage, tank but set to the Conan theme of course.  I havn't played it myself in a couple of years, but it sounds like it might meet your criteria.  Plus it's also f2p, so of course trying it out doesn't cost anything.

    "If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor

  • tmkctmtmkctm Member Posts: 12
    So... tried Wurm, problem is the f2p is very limited and it's first person - as i said gives me headaches.
    This is very interesting what was mentioned about NW vid card problem. Why would a game DC due to graphic issues? that's kinda stupid, if that's the case. DCing sends you to look for connectivity issues. The graphics lies in the client... whatever. I'll try that solution.
    Regarding age of conan, I saw several vids of it and it seems too much like TERA - goffer quests, totally open world with high respawn rate, but if you recommend it as something that might suit me according to my list, then I'll go try it.
    Thanks. In the meantime, I gave up kinda until ESO comes out or they allow me into Beta, so I play Wizardry again... respawn rate... sigh...
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