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You have to understand that we arent discussing real life here, were talking about loss of pixels. Being the killer of pixels isnt being a sociopath. It is just another type of playstyle. A playstyle that include competition, risk vs reward and consequences. A playstyle where the competition with other human players are most essential.
Take the opposite of above and you have the carebear.
And again, that non-consensual player killed pixels not the player behind the keyboard.
There have to be a age setting for games that fit the profile of the game. Some games should only be for adults and if youas an adult dont like killing pixels then just dont enter such a game.
I know thousand of players that fit right into the description non-consensual players and they are just as well behaved real life as any carebear. Very social individuals.
A carebear is a good description of a PvE player.
Hey , if you want to bring real life into it , I'll tell you why these people are well behaved ,it's called jail.
Don't bring real life into a game debate.
This could end up being very interesting.
Yeah that study would be fun to read.
I wonder why he didnt post it?
He calls a group of players for sociopaths. The ones that enjoy non-consensual PvP with it's risk vs reward and consequences.
I call a group of players that have a gamestyle of carebearism for carebears.
To me it is way more serious claiming a group of players have some mental disorder then calling a carebear a carebear.
The one that brought real life into this was the character called MagiK over at SotA forums that claim non-consensual players are sociopaths. And there were no reaction whatsoever from SotA moderators.
So you're saying that players that like non-consensual PvP is in jail, ROFL.
The problem isn't the PvP it is the Ganking , Ie. Non-Consensual PvP, how is that risk vs reward.... why could this not be in a PVP realm/overlay. How does attacking someone that does not provide a challenge make risk vs reward gameplay. A Game like EvE or Darkfall do you feel special when killing someone who is unable to defend themselves? Is this somehow risk vs reward? Explain that to me, because I enjoy a challenge when I PvP, I want to work for my kills. Which is why I PvP in FPS, Fighting Games, and pretty much any genre OTHER than MMORPG's. I mean comparing PVP in an MMO to say Dark Souls/Demon Souls and you can see what I mean. In a game like that a player that is signifigantly lower level can still defeat a higher level player with tactics. Wow Totally off topic here.... Ok..
The point I was trying to make with my post is while you claim you are upset at being lumped in with the alleged "Sociapath Inclined Players", you lump all players looking for a cooperative gameplay style as Carebears, which lightly derogitory on not is still used as an insult much the same way FPSers use N00b (Which I might add I hate as well). The fact of the matter is that should any of the behaviours that are portrayed in the game were placed in real life situations, there people would indeed be labelled sociopaths or worse. The problem comes in with the belief that somehow loss of pixels makes this less valid. It is not about the loss of pixels... it is the idea of having your fun at someone elses expense. The idea that you can ruin someones evening and enjoyment of a past time, just to entertain yourself. Do you see the point? THIS is why people speak of PvPers the way they do.
The statement that was made in that post is actually verifiable as has been stated previously, and in fact we could perform an entire study based on this. The Term carebear is simply an insult used much the same as a racial slur to denote a particular subsect of person/player, not really much different that a racial slur. The level of offensiveness depends on the person.
Whereas if you watch the actual behaviour patterns in your average pvp based MMO you will see a trend. In fact you can go farther and move in to any PVP based game and you can find everything from mild mental issues to truely over the top examples of player that are sociopathic.
Extreme example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8SWMAQYQf0
Much of the problem that moves forward the line of thought is the method in which PvP'ers such as yourself (But not necessarily you) choose to present their ideas. Instead of making a proper argument, they fly off the handle with insults and derogitory terms such as Carebear or N00b. Both parties need to sit down and understand that you both enjoy a genre. But you need to understand that not every game needs to have PVP, and Not every game needs to PvE.
As for Risk vs Reward, many PvE players want the same risk you do, however again hard and intelligent AI. Complete with death penalties etc. Is that any less valid? Do it mean they do not desire risk vs reward?
Alright, I am done.... /rant
You know , I had to re read what I wrote to see what the hell you where talking about. Nope , not what I said or implied. The reason people are well behaved is fear of going to jail.
This could end up being very interesting.
I would like to bring up that MagiK did not say you were a sociopath, nor did he make a blanket statement. Let me bring your original quote of his to this reply...
" I know of (that is of, not personally) MILLIONS who have managed to RP without any form of PvP They came from before a time of Computer RPG's and they existed for a couple of decades AFTER CRPGs were invented....and they still exist today. I will allow that people who wish consensual PvP have a legitimate right to that style, however I will maintain and studies have been done to indicate that those who prefer non consensual PvP are frequently exhibiting sociopathic tendencies....and may in fact need help. Also Anger Management classes may be of use to some of those individuals. "
You even underlined the relevant part for me.
So, He goes on to state that SOME people frequently exhibit signs of sociapathic tendencies. That those same people that exhibit those tendencies may (might) need help. And even that some might be helped by anger management classes.
Once you step back from being so emotionally charged you can see that he did not include all PvPers. He simply stated that a study has shown this. I would have sited him to provide a link to said study... but he clearly did not make a blanket statement.
Darn it, I think I have posted more today than I have in the last year....
If it was my forums i would remove a lot of the stereotypical words and problem words.I have mentioned that even this site should use a form of word blocking.
You can't tell me you want to maintain a freedom of speech yet have a ton of rules on this site AND others that do exactly the opposite,it is hypocritical.
Words like Troll,carebear,haters SHOULD be removed or blocked,it is no different than removing hate speech because that is exactly the INTENT of the people that use them.Not one single person could tell me that when one poster calls another poster a TROLL they are saying "Hello how are you",their intent is of hate/anger and a personal attack,NO other reason at all.
Yes it is a fine line when you use those words with no direct attack but generalize about a large group of people,but i would be concerned with the direct use of those terms.As i said the easiest and most efficient way to PROVE your site or forum cares,is to remove them altogether,word blockers are everyone's friend.
I will use yet another example.This site for example will praise Kings Isle for the work they do in Wiz101 which does utilize tons of word blocking,yet this site does not condone the same thing,yes it is hypocritical or fake or both.
Bottom line is i do support SOTA for not wanting problem words in their forums,how they handle it would be open to discussion of course but it is imo a good starting point.
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Creating one after another thread to spread hatred toward SoTA proves that you are indeed the case written in RED in your post. Take the advice in those red lines and seek counseling.
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I don't know about socipathic tendencies, but the study was right about your very clear anger management issues. Try having a conversation without attacking other people.
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well then obviously the mods/devs are hardcore carebears (like having a singalong and everything on mumble while pveing)
There is a clear difference guys in the amount of people who use c-bear as a straight out troll and personal attack. The sicko thing that Magick has posted is also a bit too much,[mod edit]
When I use the world cbear, I'm trolling hard. So you can understand why they have banned its use, to prevent trollers like me from trolling.
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carebear isnt a trolling, its a term for eve players that hide in full law systems of 8-10 to avoid piracy.
while eve wasnt a fun game due to its horrible lack of interactive combat, it did have pvp that would have been great if the combat was fun. it had relatively "safe" areas where people were only going to attack you in disposable crap because the law was going to annihilate them seconds after they fired. low sec, which they would take a hit in faction for fighting with you, but nobody was going to attack them back except other players. and no sec space, where the only law was might makes right.
high and no sec were very often combat free, other then the occasional gate camp in no sec and of course invasions of pirates bases by other pirates (the big pirate clans).
the real question we should be asking, is why anyone on a no budget, crap game like shroud of avatar even cares about carebears and pvp?
Cos there are all different kinds of players?
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if as your original post says, there have been studies to prove sociopathical behavior, then I have a lot less of a problem with that then a word like carebare which is just derrogatory slang.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Actually had a chuckle about this, it seems like you got kicked from there and you are now crying here about this guy. It looks like he has you pegged though, you are acting like this is an insult to you, but you are insulting him and claiming innocence. Don't act like your shit don't stink.
And since no one posted this. U MAD BRO?
so i went to the website of this game to see what all the fuss was.
its not an mmorpg.
its not even a pvp rpg.
its diablo via lord brittish.
it has single player and mall group play, and the ability to lobby pug group play.
and its chargeing a fortune for rent free houseing (base package for a shitty rent free house lot is $550) and theres no sign of pvp. not that there could be much in the way of pvp in a game world that isnt hosted online in a persistent open fashion in the first place.
nope, if you want to burn peoples houses down and whatnot in this one, youll have to hit the data centers.