Triple A sandbox with 100 million dollar graphics, Deep Lore, Meaningful PvP, sophisticated A.I in a living breathing virtual world... will probably never get made.
But if games like this were made I can gaurantee 5-10 years from now nobody will say "I wish we could go back to the good ole days of themeparks"
just saying...
They may not use the word themepark but I guarantee you there would be lots of people complaining how they miss the good ole days of fast levelling, quest hubs and end-game raid design.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
Triple A sandbox with 100 million dollar graphics, Deep Lore, Meaningful PvP, sophisticated A.I in a living breathing virtual world... will probably never get made.
But if games like this were made I can gaurantee 5-10 years from now nobody will say "I wish we could go back to the good ole days of themeparks"
just saying...
They may not use the word themepark but I guarantee you there would be lots of people complaining how they miss the good ole days of fast levelling, quest hubs and end-game raid design.
We don't even have to wait 5-10 years. Somewhere on this first page I was reading a post about a guy talking about vanilla wow and how he wished things could go back to....the good ole days.
You know.,..the game that ruined everything forever! also has a good old days to some people apparently
Also even if an old school MMO was released I doubt I could play it in old school fashion. I have a full time job, wife and kid. No camping rare spawns for weeks or 3am raid calls. MMOs have changed but a wager we've changed a lot more.
Yeah, we have changed and our priorities has changed. But the feeling of fun and community still is in my heart. Maybe I'm just imagining that things was better before............. Still..... Miss the community, players ability to selfadminister the community (by killing off idiots in the game etc.), the feeling of skill and power.
Fun certainly is in my heart. Community? Not so much.
Does anybody wonder? You claimed more then once that you don't care about social interaction, how you don't socialize, that you prefer to play MMORPGs single player style and that you don't like to play the endgame but move on to the next title whenever you get there. Kinda obvious that you won't miss the things you disliked all the time.
I agree OP. I still come here everyday, but the last MMO I actually played was DDO a while back. No matter what, I can't get back into it or anything that's presently out. Minecraft is the only game I'm playing right now--single player only.
Star Citizen might bring me back into games with other people. Maybe Shroud or even EQNext, but I might be done with this genre.
Also even if an old school MMO was released I doubt I could play it in old school fashion. I have a full time job, wife and kid. No camping rare spawns for weeks or 3am raid calls. MMOs have changed but a wager we've changed a lot more.
Yeah, we have changed and our priorities has changed. But the feeling of fun and community still is in my heart. Maybe I'm just imagining that things was better before............. Still..... Miss the community, players ability to selfadminister the community (by killing off idiots in the game etc.), the feeling of skill and power.
Yea this is what wrong with games today!! We don't have the skill and power to kill off all the idiots in the game!
And by missing community, of course you mean your little clan of elitist bungholes. What gives you the right to "Self administer the community"?
Well I have just decided that these threads have become even more boring and repetitive and simple minded than any of todays MMO's.
I guess it is time for me to quit replying to all the same old shit, MMO's are dead, Oh woe is me, threads and move on.
Hey OP, maybe that is what you should do too!
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
Hey OP, I felt the same way you did and decided to play Aion again. It's a mix of old and new features and there are some issues with the game, but overall, it's still similar to the old days of MMO (pvp, dungeons, castle sieges). If you wanna play it, come on Isphreal server and message me (f2p game). I got some real life friends and joined a cool guild so we can help you and you will have some fun. Cheers internet brother!
Triple A sandbox with 100 million dollar graphics, Deep Lore, Meaningful PvP, sophisticated A.I in a living breathing virtual world... will probably never get made.
But if games like this were made I can gaurantee 5-10 years from now nobody will say "I wish we could go back to the good ole days of themeparks"
just saying...
They may not use the word themepark but I guarantee you there would be lots of people complaining how they miss the good ole days of fast levelling, quest hubs and end-game raid design.
We don't even have to wait 5-10 years. Somewhere on this first page I was reading a post about a guy talking about vanilla wow and how he wished things could go back to....the good ole days.
You know.,..the game that ruined everything forever! also has a good old days to some people apparently
Actually, there is nothing wrong with WoW. If there was only one WoW to rule them all it would be fine. I think the older version of WoW was transitional.
Also even if an old school MMO was released I doubt I could play it in old school fashion. I have a full time job, wife and kid. No camping rare spawns for weeks or 3am raid calls. MMOs have changed but a wager we've changed a lot more.
Yeah, we have changed and our priorities has changed. But the feeling of fun and community still is in my heart. Maybe I'm just imagining that things was better before............. Still..... Miss the community, players ability to selfadminister the community (by killing off idiots in the game etc.), the feeling of skill and power.
Yea this is what wrong with games today!! We don't have the skill and power to kill off all the idiots in the game!
And by missing community, of course you mean your little clan of elitist bungholes. What gives you the right to "Self administer the community"?
You sound like you had a really hard time in some open pvp title. I've been playing many of those titles without the slightest problems thus I am really curious which one caused the strong agression that your posting shows. Mind telling us what game got you so upset about open pvp games?
Originally posted by cnutemp not sure why mmorpg attracts all these 'oh-woe-is-me-mmorpgs-are-dying-the-sky-is-falling-posts'
They do make for the best forum PvP. They always get 100+ posts and even the people who claim to despise these threads can't help themselves and contribute a snide remark.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
Originally posted by AtmaDarkwolf Same goes for music. I think its just all around the same for all, simply easier and more profitable to target the larger audience. (Go watch Idiocracy for an idea of our future...lol not the best movie, but it sadly makes sense with our 'current' trend in entertainment.)
Reminds me of a George Carlin bit on music. YouTube video with his rant WARNING: some colorful language used
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I agree and would love for things to be different, but they're not. I'm going to also agree with everyone who says that we are in the minority. It is what it is and the only thing we can do to change it is stop buying and playing. I'm playing single player games since I can't seem to find anything that comes close to what I would like to play in an MMO.
For what it's worth, I do feel your pain. I've pretty much gotten over it, but it took a while to come to grips with the fact that something that I used to really enjoy doing is gone now. It's a bummer, but there's other fun hobbies, including, but not limited to, single player games.
You and I are no longer the target audience my friend. Money makes the world go round.
Originally posted by AlBQuirky Want to know how to cut a MMORPG budget in half? Cut out the voice over work and cut scenes
That's totally not true.The only way to cut the costs in half is cut down on the music/sound quality and on graphics. You need to use some already available music and generic "I hit you with a sword" sounds. You need to pay less attention to details on gear, provide lower resolution textures and tone down on all the particle effects.Unfortunately, if you do all that you end up either with Minecraft or with a game "feels incredibly fake and cheap, we are not in the 90s any more".
Well a lot of people thought like ALBQuirky not his fault he missed the memo and here it is "Don't be scared about adding voice over and cool cinematic content," he advised his audience, "but do be careful about adding lots of choice with consequence because that adds to QA cost and development cost and makes it hard to design everything." James Ohlen.http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/03/29/gdc-2013-james-ohlen-on-how-f2p-saved-swtor/@ OP - I do tend to agree with you a little. I only play one MMO atm and it's a great game but has nothing on the communties , friendships , fun etc of my past MMO's listed in my sig. We are watching you SEGA like hawk's get that game out already , sigh.Cheers,BadOrb.
Interesting. Here is a quote from this site: "Video GamesAs with cartoons, narration and character acting both come into play for video game voice-overs. The suggested rate for this type of voice-over work is $100 per minute, or $1500 for a 45-minute recording."
It's not cheap, by any means.
The programming for choices in MMORPGs I agree with and happen to think it is money better spent.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
OP the answer is ........never reward these companies who are not giving us a product we want..Do what you do when a consumer product company fails to meet your expectations.
YOU DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCT (that's how you punish them)
Step away from the genera. Look into single player games.Read .Take up a hobby you always wanted to try.
Just move on
There are small start up companies who have found ways to raise money and not keep shoveling out the same **** as the mega companies . Some are coming to market next year.One can hope.
Tired of lazy and/or scamming developers. (usually both)
Maybe im just getting old. What happened to the addictiveness, the spark, the magic, the difficulty and the competition. Every single game is the exact same bullshit. They are all one month wonders with zero longevity designed for someone with the intelligence of a gnat overpopulated with people that think they are genious. What the hell happened? I remember 10-12 years ago just day dreaming on what was ahead and what this genre would become. I remember wondering how amazed we would all be. I remember wondering about how amazing the virtual worlds would be that we would all explore. I remember real difficulty and the penalties if you died or failed. The comraderie and teamwork. I remember real communities. Real friendships and relationships that carried over off the screen. Now its just a huge cesspool no matter what game you enter its total rudeness and hate.
We should be treated with more respect. We spend thousands and thousands of dollars on games and keeping our systems up to spec to stay on top and its all just full of regret now. Total waste of time and money. Tell me a game thats worth the time and i will explain how ive played it and the problems it has.
I work 40-60 hours per week, i take very, very good care of my family but i still have the night. I mostly drink beer, read forums and wonder what the fuck happened.
Sorry for the rant.
Sadly, I am in agreement with you. However, I am a hopeless optimistic, aside from some personal endeavors I see several sandbox oriented games being developed right now. One of them is bound to get it right.
OP the answer is ........never reward these companies who are not giving us a product we want..Do what you do when a consumer product company fails to meet your expectations.
YOU DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCT (that's how you punish them)
Step away from the genera. Look into single player games.Read .Take up a hobby you always wanted to try.
Just move on
There are small start up companies who have found ways to raise money and not keep shoveling out the same **** as the mega companies . Some are coming to market next year.One can hope.
This is easier said than done for the most part. Most people are roving nomads these days; hoping from mmorpg to mmorpg for the holy grail. We are constantly sifting through all the PR spins and BS and always come up with lies. Many veteran players have stopped, but you still have most of the mainstream crowd that still chase after the new shiny title and get bored after a month because the Developers focused on the first things the player see in the game to give the appeal of a fully fledged game. Yes more players become cranky old veterans every year, but there are still too many mainstreamers who game hop.
These days the devs are after a quick and easy buck with some fancy gimmick, but everything else is exactly the same as the WoW mold. Yes more choices generally is a great thing, but not currently because the developers have switched to a F2P method to either entrap you or force you to move onto the other F2P title because you can't compete against cash shop players. We do see promising features, but these generally are low budget indie teams that always lie and underdeliver. Darkfall online(1st) could have been great, but had too many flaws. The 2nd is a steaming pile.
The mainstream has caused games to become completely dumbed down to moronic levels. It use to take though and dedication when making a character; now you max out a toon in 5 days and have to follow a cookie cutter build because nothing else is viable. There have been improvements like graphics and combat elements. For instance Planetside 2 has much better graphics and gunplay but the game is lacking in every other regard, compared to its predecessor.
Players use to have more effect on a game world and hold others accountable for their actions. That being said, there shouldn;t be a massive grind; ala Dark fall online(1st game), but you shouldn't be completely maxed out after 1-2months. There should be constant content updates, but the core elements of a game should be complex, rich and engaging so that player never feels like they are forced to do something boring to reach the "fun" portion of a game(This is why I like sandbox mmorpgs).
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I have many numerous rants over the years on what is wrong with the genre; as many others have too. Now finally we are being listened to, since most AAA games are being forced to cashshop; due to player attrition, lazy devs, and corperate greed.Hopefully Eq-Next will change the market for good. and usher in the next golden age. Every year we get more players becoming the cranky vet.
Darkfall is the closet to what I personally want, but the game had way too many flaws. If an AAA company can make a simliar yet way better version of darkfall; I'd be happy.
[snip] ... aside from some personal endeavors I see several sandbox oriented games being developed right now. One of them is bound to get it right.
If one does get it right, I hope they make piles and piles of money for pulling off a miracle.
Ken Fisher - Semi retired old fart Network Administrator, now working in Network Security. I don't Forum PVP. If you feel I've attacked you, it was probably by accident. When I don't understand, I ask. Such is not intended as criticism.
Originally posted by worldalpha The good ol' days... Everyone thinks life was better way back when. In reality it usually wasn't, but we remember the good and forget the bad!
Now we can't remember either. How are we even able to function.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
The OP isn't burnt out. You are all missing the point.
MMORPGs are not being made anymore. The ones that still exist are too poorly populated to do anything fun for many reasons, the game is old, people get married, have kids, get killed in Bengazi, etc..
All these newer games that cater to the lowest denominator bores a lot of people that started with the genre playing UO, EQ, AO, SWG, DAoC, etc.
WoW will be the last MMO that will have kept the same amount of people playing it for years. Ironic that it was also the MMO that brought us the people that killed the genre.
In Boise, ID, there were a hundred motorized trials (dirtbikes, etc). Then Californians moved there. Now there is 1 and they are about to lose that too. But, you can now hike and eat a granola bar! Yippie!
The OP is the guy with the dirtbike.
On a side note, I really wanted to see what a real MMORPG with todays technology and funding would be like. Shame.
Comments
They may not use the word themepark but I guarantee you there would be lots of people complaining how they miss the good ole days of fast levelling, quest hubs and end-game raid design.
We don't even have to wait 5-10 years. Somewhere on this first page I was reading a post about a guy talking about vanilla wow and how he wished things could go back to....the good ole days.
You know.,..the game that ruined everything forever! also has a good old days to some people apparently
Does anybody wonder? You claimed more then once that you don't care about social interaction, how you don't socialize, that you prefer to play MMORPGs single player style and that you don't like to play the endgame but move on to the next title whenever you get there. Kinda obvious that you won't miss the things you disliked all the time.
I agree OP. I still come here everyday, but the last MMO I actually played was DDO a while back. No matter what, I can't get back into it or anything that's presently out. Minecraft is the only game I'm playing right now--single player only.
Star Citizen might bring me back into games with other people. Maybe Shroud or even EQNext, but I might be done with this genre.
DCB
Yea this is what wrong with games today!! We don't have the skill and power to kill off all the idiots in the game!
And by missing community, of course you mean your little clan of elitist bungholes. What gives you the right to "Self administer the community"?
Well I have just decided that these threads have become even more boring and repetitive and simple minded than any of todays MMO's.
I guess it is time for me to quit replying to all the same old shit, MMO's are dead, Oh woe is me, threads and move on.
Hey OP, maybe that is what you should do too!
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
Actually, there is nothing wrong with WoW. If there was only one WoW to rule them all it would be fine. I think the older version of WoW was transitional.
You sound like you had a really hard time in some open pvp title. I've been playing many of those titles without the slightest problems thus I am really curious which one caused the strong agression that your posting shows. Mind telling us what game got you so upset about open pvp games?
not sure why mmorpg.com attracts all these single player/small instance coop grinder fans that obviously dislike mmorpgs.
They do make for the best forum PvP. They always get 100+ posts and even the people who claim to despise these threads can't help themselves and contribute a snide remark.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
I agree and would love for things to be different, but they're not. I'm going to also agree with everyone who says that we are in the minority. It is what it is and the only thing we can do to change it is stop buying and playing. I'm playing single player games since I can't seem to find anything that comes close to what I would like to play in an MMO.
For what it's worth, I do feel your pain. I've pretty much gotten over it, but it took a while to come to grips with the fact that something that I used to really enjoy doing is gone now. It's a bummer, but there's other fun hobbies, including, but not limited to, single player games.
You and I are no longer the target audience my friend. Money makes the world go round.
"Video GamesAs with cartoons, narration and character acting both come into play for video game voice-overs. The suggested rate for this type of voice-over work is $100 per minute, or $1500 for a 45-minute recording."
It's not cheap, by any means.
The programming for choices in MMORPGs I agree with and happen to think it is money better spent.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
OP the answer is ........never reward these companies who are not giving us a product we want..Do what you do when a consumer product company fails to meet your expectations.
YOU DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCT (that's how you punish them)
Step away from the genera. Look into single player games.Read .Take up a hobby you always wanted to try.
Just move on
There are small start up companies who have found ways to raise money and not keep shoveling out the same **** as the mega companies . Some are coming to market next year.One can hope.
Sadly, I am in agreement with you. However, I am a hopeless optimistic, aside from some personal endeavors I see several sandbox oriented games being developed right now. One of them is bound to get it right.
This is easier said than done for the most part. Most people are roving nomads these days; hoping from mmorpg to mmorpg for the holy grail. We are constantly sifting through all the PR spins and BS and always come up with lies. Many veteran players have stopped, but you still have most of the mainstream crowd that still chase after the new shiny title and get bored after a month because the Developers focused on the first things the player see in the game to give the appeal of a fully fledged game. Yes more players become cranky old veterans every year, but there are still too many mainstreamers who game hop.
These days the devs are after a quick and easy buck with some fancy gimmick, but everything else is exactly the same as the WoW mold. Yes more choices generally is a great thing, but not currently because the developers have switched to a F2P method to either entrap you or force you to move onto the other F2P title because you can't compete against cash shop players. We do see promising features, but these generally are low budget indie teams that always lie and underdeliver. Darkfall online(1st) could have been great, but had too many flaws. The 2nd is a steaming pile.
The mainstream has caused games to become completely dumbed down to moronic levels. It use to take though and dedication when making a character; now you max out a toon in 5 days and have to follow a cookie cutter build because nothing else is viable. There have been improvements like graphics and combat elements. For instance Planetside 2 has much better graphics and gunplay but the game is lacking in every other regard, compared to its predecessor.
Players use to have more effect on a game world and hold others accountable for their actions. That being said, there shouldn;t be a massive grind; ala Dark fall online(1st game), but you shouldn't be completely maxed out after 1-2months. There should be constant content updates, but the core elements of a game should be complex, rich and engaging so that player never feels like they are forced to do something boring to reach the "fun" portion of a game(This is why I like sandbox mmorpgs).
---------------
I have many numerous rants over the years on what is wrong with the genre; as many others have too. Now finally we are being listened to, since most AAA games are being forced to cashshop; due to player attrition, lazy devs, and corperate greed.Hopefully Eq-Next will change the market for good. and usher in the next golden age. Every year we get more players becoming the cranky vet.
Darkfall is the closet to what I personally want, but the game had way too many flaws. If an AAA company can make a simliar yet way better version of darkfall; I'd be happy.
MurderHerd
uh .. how would single player instance coop fans dislike MMORPGs?
MMORPGs are single player instance co-op games now. I, of one, enjoy some of them.
If one does get it right, I hope they make piles and piles of money for pulling off a miracle.
Thanks,
Mike
Working on Social Strategy MMORTS (now Launched!) http://www.worldalpha.com
Now we can't remember either. How are we even able to function.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
The OP isn't burnt out. You are all missing the point.
MMORPGs are not being made anymore. The ones that still exist are too poorly populated to do anything fun for many reasons, the game is old, people get married, have kids, get killed in Bengazi, etc..
All these newer games that cater to the lowest denominator bores a lot of people that started with the genre playing UO, EQ, AO, SWG, DAoC, etc.
WoW will be the last MMO that will have kept the same amount of people playing it for years. Ironic that it was also the MMO that brought us the people that killed the genre.
In Boise, ID, there were a hundred motorized trials (dirtbikes, etc). Then Californians moved there. Now there is 1 and they are about to lose that too. But, you can now hike and eat a granola bar! Yippie!
The OP is the guy with the dirtbike.
On a side note, I really wanted to see what a real MMORPG with todays technology and funding would be like. Shame.