This game looks like it was designed for a bunch of 10 year olds. I'm not one to be bothered by graphics much but between this level up thing and the silly looking hovercraft video I think I'll be avoiding this one.
If every adult past 25+ had your mentality, this world would be a very boring place. We wouldnt have things like Family Guy and Simpsons, or pretty much any cartoon on adult swim.
30's and this reminds me nothing at all of Might & Magic, Wizardry, Zork, Knights of Legend or any of the gritty games I grew up on.
What where you 30's playing that was as silly as this game?
Ah, so am I to understand that you only like gritty MMO's then? Nothing wrong with that. Personal preference is ok. Why put every MMO into the same mold?
I don't think every mmo should be from the dame mold. I apologize if my post sounded like they should. GW2 found an audience of player sick of progression. Maybe Wildstar can find an audience of "don't be so serious" players.
To say that WS is a game for 30 somethings as others have said, I don't believe it's true. I was asking those 30 something posters for a frame of reference.
Originally posted by Ramonski7 Wow....talk about handing a trophy to everyone...I can only hope this is a inside joke. Come on guys really?
So are you saying that when a player levels up it shouldn't be celebrated?
If that was the fanfare for reaching max level then sure, for me it would be reason to celebrate. But for every freakin level on the road to max? Well hell you might as well have have this plastered on the screen:
No thanks...there's enough back patting done by devs to make players feel like special snowflakes I don't need them to add another insult to injury.
OMG I would pay double to have this happen!
The point is, leveling should be an epic event. If you've gone three levels and it's just ho-hum, it's too boring.
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
This game looks like it was designed for a bunch of 10 year olds. I'm not one to be bothered by graphics much but between this level up thing and the silly looking hovercraft video I think I'll be avoiding this one.
It's actually quite the opposite.. This game is designed for an older audience.. A mature audience. I find it quite comical, something to keep me entertained, something to enjoy and laugh at while grinding/questing/raiding whatever I may be doing.
Originally posted by Ramonski7 Wow....talk about handing a trophy to everyone...I can only hope this is a inside joke. Come on guys really?
So are you saying that when a player levels up it shouldn't be celebrated?
If that was the fanfare for reaching max level then sure, for me it would be reason to celebrate. But for every freakin level on the road to max? Well hell you might as well have have this plastered on the screen:
No thanks...there's enough back patting done by devs to make players feel like special snowflakes I don't need them to add another insult to injury.
OMG I would pay double to have this happen!
The point is, leveling should be an epic event. If you've gone three levels and it's just ho-hum, it's too boring.
The problem is, there's nothing epic anymore in games today to celebrate a level!! Why would I celebrate every hour for getting a level, it's so easy and it doesn't take much time in between level!
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Originally posted by Ender4 Guess I'm just too old for it at 42~. All you young whipersnappers can enjoy it in your 30s..
42 as well, and I see nothing wrong with it. I can appreciate it isn't your style, but it by no means looks like it was aimed at a younger audience never mind made by them.
imo, ofc
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
There is so much BS already in this thread. Just because a few people from a forum post I'm 32 years old or I'm into comic books or whatever doesn't change the fact that they are targeting a very young audience. Nothing wrong with that, but stop pretending like the average MMO gamer in their late 20. 30s and 40/ is going to prefer this direction. Even the way they talk about their videos is like someone who was talking to a teen (or younger).
Now as far as the level up, I think it's awesome for my youngest niece lol.
The largest quantity of BS on these forums come from players such as yourself who keep proclaiming that cartoons / stylised graphics are aimed at a certain age demographic. While this style is inclusive of the younger players, it is by no means exclusive of older ones.
There have been cartoons targeted squarely at adults for the past 40 years or so now. Stop being so naïve. Also if you think you are surrounded by mature adults when you play those 'gritty' games you are sorely mistaken. Most of those games are heavily populated by kids trying to be tough rebels. The same reason most of us watched mature / restricted films as kids. If anything you are more likely to find a mature player base in games that are not going for realistic violence or overt sexualisation, because they aren't trying to be hard-core and they are focusing on being good games instead.
If you prefer realism for some reason (escapism? sexual issues? kicked in the face by Mickey at Disneyland?) then that's great. But the truth is that stylised and cartoony games have been some of the most commercially successful games across all demographics, especially in the RPG genre. You are the outlier, not the norm.
All you did with your snide remarks and personal insults is prove my point about the maturity level they are targeting. Good job. Not worth responding to.
I really think the Devs just wanted to add something silly and interesting since levelling up is such a standard part of any themepark mmo.
That being said, "levelling up" is nothing to be celebrated in any game. It's a pointless and old mechanic that has worn out its welcome. I'm sick of game developers making their games to cater to the socially inept basement dwellers that live their characters' lives instead of their own.
These people do take satisfaction and feel good about levelling up. These are the people that said "ding" for every level from 1-100 in "insert generic themepark mmo". These are the people that ruined the MMO genre.
I haven't played an MMO in over a year since Darkfall Online was killed...the genre is just so...pathetic. Greedy corporations sucking every possible dollar from gamers with addictions. And indie developers dying left and right because they can't compete with the 100 million dollar budgets of most MMOs these days.
Here's to hoping that 5-10 years from now there is finally a MMO that is made for true MMO players, not whiny teenagers who need carrots on sticks and shiny flashy animations to celebrate a truly most un-noteworthy event.
Pro's and con's... It's super, it sucks! None of it matters when NCSoft makes a horlicks of it. It will probably end up saying "Levol Up!" with the sound of a car horn!
No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!
There is so much BS already in this thread. Just because a few people from a forum post I'm 32 years old or I'm into comic books or whatever doesn't change the fact that they are targeting a very young audience. Nothing wrong with that, but stop pretending like the average MMO gamer in their late 20. 30s and 40/ is going to prefer this direction. Even the way they talk about their videos is like someone who was talking to a teen (or younger).
Now as far as the level up, I think it's awesome for my youngest niece lol.
The largest quantity of BS on these forums come from players such as yourself who keep proclaiming that cartoons / stylised graphics are aimed at a certain age demographic. While this style is inclusive of the younger players, it is by no means exclusive of older ones.
There have been cartoons targeted squarely at adults for the past 40 years or so now. Stop being so naïve. Also if you think you are surrounded by mature adults when you play those 'gritty' games you are sorely mistaken. Most of those games are heavily populated by kids trying to be tough rebels. The same reason most of us watched mature / restricted films as kids. If anything you are more likely to find a mature player base in games that are not going for realistic violence or overt sexualisation, because they aren't trying to be hard-core and they are focusing on being good games instead.
If you prefer realism for some reason (escapism? sexual issues? kicked in the face by Mickey at Disneyland?) then that's great. But the truth is that stylised and cartoony games have been some of the most commercially successful games across all demographics, especially in the RPG genre. You are the outlier, not the norm.
^ I agree with this.
When it comes to MMORPGs, I plan on spending quite a bit of time in them. I much rather it be in the style of Wildstar than say The Secret World. I truly enjoy The Secret World but the dark atmosphere starts to become heavy after a while. Dark, gritty, and real are geat for a single-player game I will end up beating in no time at all. For a game that I could possibly spend hundreds of hours in? No thanks. Simply keeping up with current events gives me my fill of the heavy stuff, I don't need it from my games. Personal preference of course.
This is coming from a 31yr old male, in case you were wondering.
There is so much BS already in this thread. Just because a few people from a forum post I'm 32 years old or I'm into comic books or whatever doesn't change the fact that they are targeting a very young audience. Nothing wrong with that, but stop pretending like the average MMO gamer in their late 20. 30s and 40/ is going to prefer this direction. Even the way they talk about their videos is like someone who was talking to a teen (or younger).
Now as far as the level up, I think it's awesome for my youngest niece lol.
The largest quantity of BS on these forums come from players such as yourself who keep proclaiming that cartoons / stylised graphics are aimed at a certain age demographic. While this style is inclusive of the younger players, it is by no means exclusive of older ones.
There have been cartoons targeted squarely at adults for the past 40 years or so now. Stop being so naïve. Also if you think you are surrounded by mature adults when you play those 'gritty' games you are sorely mistaken. Most of those games are heavily populated by kids trying to be tough rebels. The same reason most of us watched mature / restricted films as kids. If anything you are more likely to find a mature player base in games that are not going for realistic violence or overt sexualisation, because they aren't trying to be hard-core and they are focusing on being good games instead.
If you prefer realism for some reason (escapism? sexual issues? kicked in the face by Mickey at Disneyland?) then that's great. But the truth is that stylised and cartoony games have been some of the most commercially successful games across all demographics, especially in the RPG genre. You are the outlier, not the norm.
^ I agree with this.
When it comes to MMORPGs, I plan on spending quite a bit of time in them. I much rather it be in the style of Wildstar than say The Secret World. I truly enjoy The Secret World but the dark atmosphere starts to become heavy after a while. Dark, gritty, and real are geat for a single-player game I will end up beating in no time at all. For a game that I could possibly spend hundreds of hours in? No thanks. Simply keeping up with current events gives me my fill of the heavy stuff, I don't need it from my games. Personal preference of course.
This is coming from a 31yr old male, in case you were wondering.
Couldn't agree more I am really tired of the whole you are the hero you must save the world depressing themes over the last few years. The reason I am interested in Wildstar is the tongue and cheek humor and going back to 40man raiding. I am 41 and this appeals to me I do not think they are targeting the gimme demographic at all.
It surprises me how many people in their 30's would consider playing this game. To me it looks like they are aiming their efforts at people under 20 more around 12-16 age. Not a knock to those that like it, I would consider playing a single player game with these type of graphics as I have enjoyed many stylized cell shaded games in the past. As for an mmo I put alot of time and effort into my character so to me it matters what my character looks like. Hope the game is good for those that play, we need more sub games like this.
Originally posted by c0exist It surprises me how many people in their 30's would consider playing this game. To me it looks like they are aiming their efforts at people under 20 more around 12-16 age.
How many of those people in the 12-16 range even know what a hoverboard is or get the reference? How many of them got the Randy Savage reference in the recent DevSpeak?
I don't believe it's aimed at the under 20 age group as much as some.
Originally posted by c0exist It surprises me how many people in their 30's would consider playing this game. To me it looks like they are aiming their efforts at people under 20 more around 12-16 age.
How many of those people in the 12-16 range even know what a hoverboard is or get the reference? How many of them got the Randy Savage reference in the recent DevSpeak?
I don't believe it's aimed at the under 20 age group as much as some.
Nothing wrong with using 80's pop culture references and all but I think it's being used too much. I'm 40, I was 12 when Back to The Future was released. Flash forward to the 1990 when the third film was released and that made me 17 at the time....there is a reason hoverboards and neon lights appealed to me at that time....I was young. So do you honestly believe that something that appealed to a teen at that time won't possibly do so with the ones running around now? No...they can keep their Bill and Ted type banter and jokes out of the mmorpgs and save it for trips down memory lane. I need something a little more grounded. That's one thing that I didn't like in WoW and I don't like it here. But I'm not so blinded that I won't give it a 30 day spin.....oh well we'll see.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Originally posted by Ramonski7 Wow....talk about handing a trophy to everyone...I can only hope this is a inside joke. Come on guys really?
So are you saying that when a player levels up it shouldn't be celebrated?
If that was the fanfare for reaching max level then sure, for me it would be reason to celebrate. But for every freakin level on the road to max? Well hell you might as well have have this plastered on the screen:
No thanks...there's enough back patting done by devs to make players feel like special snowflakes I don't need them to add another insult to injury.
OMG I would pay double to have this happen!
The point is, leveling should be an epic event. If you've gone three levels and it's just ho-hum, it's too boring.
The problem is, there's nothing epic anymore in games today to celebrate a level!! Why would I celebrate every hour for getting a level, it's so easy and it doesn't take much time in between level!
It seems to fit the vibe this game is going for. I loved the simple "Ding" from EQ, and it really meant something as levels took time and difficulty with xp loss death penalties. But this game is going for the more animated, tongue in cheek feel.
All you did with your snide remarks and personal insults is prove my point about the maturity level they are targeting. Good job. Not worth responding to.
Yet you did anyway. So much for that eh? this game is not targeting kids, it is using adult humor and a comedic embrace to the entirety of the game to target late-20 to thirty somethings...or ya know...anyone with a sense of humor.
Originally posted by c0exist It surprises me how many people in their 30's would consider playing this game. To me it looks like they are aiming their efforts at people under 20 more around 12-16 age.
How many of those people in the 12-16 range even know what a hoverboard is or get the reference? How many of them got the Randy Savage reference in the recent DevSpeak?
I don't believe it's aimed at the under 20 age group as much as some.
Nothing wrong with using 80's pop culture references and all but I think it's being used too much. I'm 40, I was 12 when Back to The Future was released. Flash forward to the 1990 when the third film was released and that made me 17 at the time....there is a reason hoverboards and neon lights appealed to me at that time....I was young. So do you honestly believe that something that appealed to a teen at that time won't possibly do so with the ones running around now? No...they can keep their Bill and Ted type banter and jokes out of the mmorpgs and save it for trips down memory lane. I need something a little more grounded. That's one thing that I didn't like in WoW and I don't like it here. But I'm not so blinded that I won't give it a 30 day spin.....oh well we'll see.
Nothing wrong with that.
I, on the other hand, am a huge 80's fan and enjoy holding on to my childhood wonder and amazement in the face of all the cynicism and negativity everywhere.
There is so much BS already in this thread. Just because a few people from a forum post I'm 32 years old or I'm into comic books or whatever doesn't change the fact that they are targeting a very young audience. Nothing wrong with that, but stop pretending like the average MMO gamer in their late 20. 30s and 40/ is going to prefer this direction. Even the way they talk about their videos is like someone who was talking to a teen (or younger).
Now as far as the level up, I think it's awesome for my youngest niece lol.
The largest quantity of BS on these forums come from players such as yourself who keep proclaiming that cartoons / stylised graphics are aimed at a certain age demographic. While this style is inclusive of the younger players, it is by no means exclusive of older ones.
There have been cartoons targeted squarely at adults for the past 40 years or so now. Stop being so naïve. Also if you think you are surrounded by mature adults when you play those 'gritty' games you are sorely mistaken. Most of those games are heavily populated by kids trying to be tough rebels. The same reason most of us watched mature / restricted films as kids. If anything you are more likely to find a mature player base in games that are not going for realistic violence or overt sexualisation, because they aren't trying to be hard-core and they are focusing on being good games instead.
If you prefer realism for some reason (escapism? sexual issues? kicked in the face by Mickey at Disneyland?) then that's great. But the truth is that stylised and cartoony games have been some of the most commercially successful games across all demographics, especially in the RPG genre. You are the outlier, not the norm.
^ I agree with this.
When it comes to MMORPGs, I plan on spending quite a bit of time in them. I much rather it be in the style of Wildstar than say The Secret World. I truly enjoy The Secret World but the dark atmosphere starts to become heavy after a while. Dark, gritty, and real are geat for a single-player game I will end up beating in no time at all. For a game that I could possibly spend hundreds of hours in? No thanks. Simply keeping up with current events gives me my fill of the heavy stuff, I don't need it from my games. Personal preference of course.
This is coming from a 31yr old male, in case you were wondering.
Couldn't agree more I am really tired of the whole you are the hero you must save the world depressing themes over the last few years. The reason I am interested in Wildstar is the tongue and cheek humor and going back to 40man raiding. I am 41 and this appeals to me I do not think they are targeting the gimme demographic at all.
Again, there is nothing wrong with this, but all of these responses reminds me of the Toy R Us commercial "I don't want to grow up I'm a Toy R US kid". Just because there are 30 and 40 year olds that like to own stuffed up animals doesn't mean the demographic that the Toys R Us marketing department targets isn't a young crowd. This has nothing to do with having a sense of humor or not. The graphics are less realistic than WOW and when in their videos they say "hey boys and girls", "hey kids", and discussions about the word dude and bro..... anyone that thinks this is targeting adults as the main demographic should stay away from Marketing as a major. Its not just the graphics, its the complete hand holding, telegraphed red circles everywhere, arrows, sparkling areas that say "go here" butchering the word 'exploration' with the pseudo explorer path,and the level up animation in this video shared by the OP..well...like I said it has a target, nothing wrong with that, but it is certainly NOT the adult community even though I'm sure there will be plenty of adults that love this game. I liked the Twilight series, dont hate me, but I'm very very aware that the target for this movie wasn't a 44 year old male.
Here is a snippet from Wikipedia on the Cartoon Network:
"Cartoon Network (CN) is an American basic cable and satellite televisionchannel that is owned by the Turner Broadcasting System division of Time Warner. The channel airs mainly animated programming, ranging from action to animated comedy, along with some live-action content.It is primarily aimed at children and teenagers between the ages of 7–15...."
This doesn't mean that adults won't watch it, but a target market is a target market.
Some in this thread keep trying to argue that art style is the only determining factor in a target age without considering the tone or content if the game. By this logic, Family Guy and South Park must be made for elementary school kids.
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
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If every adult past 25+ had your mentality, this world would be a very boring place. We wouldnt have things like Family Guy and Simpsons, or pretty much any cartoon on adult swim.
I don't think every mmo should be from the dame mold. I apologize if my post sounded like they should. GW2 found an audience of player sick of progression. Maybe Wildstar can find an audience of "don't be so serious" players.
To say that WS is a game for 30 somethings as others have said, I don't believe it's true. I was asking those 30 something posters for a frame of reference.
sidenote - Thanks again for saving 2013 for me
OMG I would pay double to have this happen!
The point is, leveling should be an epic event. If you've gone three levels and it's just ho-hum, it's too boring.
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
It's actually quite the opposite.. This game is designed for an older audience.. A mature audience. I find it quite comical, something to keep me entertained, something to enjoy and laugh at while grinding/questing/raiding whatever I may be doing.
SEND ME A BETA INVITE CARBINE/NCSOFT, SHIT!
TAKE ALL MY MONEY TOO
The problem is, there's nothing epic anymore in games today to celebrate a level!! Why would I celebrate every hour for getting a level, it's so easy and it doesn't take much time in between level!
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
There is, plus the "announcer" type voice says something different for each of the 50 levels complementing you on how badass you are.
Holy mother of level up animations Batman, this is EPIC
ok I need this game, hoverboards, housing, now this
TAKE MAH MONNAY
RIGHT??!!!!!
I DEMAND BETA INVITE, NOW!
42 as well, and I see nothing wrong with it. I can appreciate it isn't your style, but it by no means looks like it was aimed at a younger audience never mind made by them.
imo, ofc
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
All you did with your snide remarks and personal insults is prove my point about the maturity level they are targeting. Good job. Not worth responding to.
There Is Always Hope!
I really think the Devs just wanted to add something silly and interesting since levelling up is such a standard part of any themepark mmo.
That being said, "levelling up" is nothing to be celebrated in any game. It's a pointless and old mechanic that has worn out its welcome. I'm sick of game developers making their games to cater to the socially inept basement dwellers that live their characters' lives instead of their own.
These people do take satisfaction and feel good about levelling up. These are the people that said "ding" for every level from 1-100 in "insert generic themepark mmo". These are the people that ruined the MMO genre.
I haven't played an MMO in over a year since Darkfall Online was killed...the genre is just so...pathetic. Greedy corporations sucking every possible dollar from gamers with addictions. And indie developers dying left and right because they can't compete with the 100 million dollar budgets of most MMOs these days.
Here's to hoping that 5-10 years from now there is finally a MMO that is made for true MMO players, not whiny teenagers who need carrots on sticks and shiny flashy animations to celebrate a truly most un-noteworthy event.
No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!
...10% Benevolence, 90% Arrogance in my case!
^ I agree with this.
When it comes to MMORPGs, I plan on spending quite a bit of time in them. I much rather it be in the style of Wildstar than say The Secret World. I truly enjoy The Secret World but the dark atmosphere starts to become heavy after a while. Dark, gritty, and real are geat for a single-player game I will end up beating in no time at all. For a game that I could possibly spend hundreds of hours in? No thanks. Simply keeping up with current events gives me my fill of the heavy stuff, I don't need it from my games. Personal preference of course.
This is coming from a 31yr old male, in case you were wondering.
Couldn't agree more I am really tired of the whole you are the hero you must save the world depressing themes over the last few years. The reason I am interested in Wildstar is the tongue and cheek humor and going back to 40man raiding. I am 41 and this appeals to me I do not think they are targeting the gimme demographic at all.
How many of those people in the 12-16 range even know what a hoverboard is or get the reference? How many of them got the Randy Savage reference in the recent DevSpeak?
I don't believe it's aimed at the under 20 age group as much as some.
Nothing wrong with using 80's pop culture references and all but I think it's being used too much. I'm 40, I was 12 when Back to The Future was released. Flash forward to the 1990 when the third film was released and that made me 17 at the time....there is a reason hoverboards and neon lights appealed to me at that time....I was young. So do you honestly believe that something that appealed to a teen at that time won't possibly do so with the ones running around now? No...they can keep their Bill and Ted type banter and jokes out of the mmorpgs and save it for trips down memory lane. I need something a little more grounded. That's one thing that I didn't like in WoW and I don't like it here. But I'm not so blinded that I won't give it a 30 day spin.....oh well we'll see.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
It seems to fit the vibe this game is going for. I loved the simple "Ding" from EQ, and it really meant something as levels took time and difficulty with xp loss death penalties. But this game is going for the more animated, tongue in cheek feel.
Yet you did anyway. So much for that eh? this game is not targeting kids, it is using adult humor and a comedic embrace to the entirety of the game to target late-20 to thirty somethings...or ya know...anyone with a sense of humor.
Nothing wrong with that.
I, on the other hand, am a huge 80's fan and enjoy holding on to my childhood wonder and amazement in the face of all the cynicism and negativity everywhere.
Again, there is nothing wrong with this, but all of these responses reminds me of the Toy R Us commercial "I don't want to grow up I'm a Toy R US kid". Just because there are 30 and 40 year olds that like to own stuffed up animals doesn't mean the demographic that the Toys R Us marketing department targets isn't a young crowd. This has nothing to do with having a sense of humor or not. The graphics are less realistic than WOW and when in their videos they say "hey boys and girls", "hey kids", and discussions about the word dude and bro..... anyone that thinks this is targeting adults as the main demographic should stay away from Marketing as a major. Its not just the graphics, its the complete hand holding, telegraphed red circles everywhere, arrows, sparkling areas that say "go here" butchering the word 'exploration' with the pseudo explorer path,and the level up animation in this video shared by the OP..well...like I said it has a target, nothing wrong with that, but it is certainly NOT the adult community even though I'm sure there will be plenty of adults that love this game. I liked the Twilight series, dont hate me, but I'm very very aware that the target for this movie wasn't a 44 year old male.
Here is a snippet from Wikipedia on the Cartoon Network:
"Cartoon Network (CN) is an American basic cable and satellite television channel that is owned by the Turner Broadcasting System division of Time Warner. The channel airs mainly animated programming, ranging from action to animated comedy, along with some live-action content.It is primarily aimed at children and teenagers between the ages of 7–15...."
This doesn't mean that adults won't watch it, but a target market is a target market.
There Is Always Hope!
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
