Originally posted by Jakdstripper i friken love reading about EvE. every time one of these expansions comes out have the crazy urge to re-sub. when i do, i usually play for a few hours and remember that i can't do 2/3 of the stuff because i don't have the skills (which will take only the next 6 months to train)....Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question.......Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships. .....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell).........and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish.............and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills................and finally i unsub because i'm paying to queue skills..... ........................every damn time.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head.
And it's usually between the "......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish...." and the ".........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills...." that EvE players use that free time they have to come promote their game passionately on these forums.
Almost all MMO'ers are lazy these days because games spoon feed them the content and levels by holding their hands and walking them from quest to quest and giving them gear they can never lose.
EVE doesn't spoon feed you anything. If you can't think for yourself, or you're unwilling to join a corp that's noob friendly and ask questions, then you'll do exactly the dumb things the first poster in this thread says he does "every time".
Hint: If you're a new player and mining solo for ISK, then you have no clue what you're doing and need to find a good corporation that can whip you into a decent player. Either that or take everything you know about the hand holding, kiddie MMO's, crap it into a toilet and flush it, cause it won't help you in EVE.
i friken love reading about EvE. every time one of these expansions comes out have the crazy urge to re-sub. when i do, i usually play for a few hours and remember that i can't do 2/3 of the stuff because i don't have the skills (which will take only the next 6 months to train)..
..Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question....
...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships.
.....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...
......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....
.........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills....
............and finally i unsub because i'm paying to queue skills.....
........................every damn time.
This is not a foreign feeling to me, but it has never been the skills that deterred me. I have never, in my time playing eve (since Exodus I think), felt limited by skill set, or felt like i had to wait until that level 5 finished before i could enjoy the game. The other points you mention though, mostly the lack of a corp ('guild' as you - for some lame reason - call it) is what ends up keeping me from staying engaged. I have been member of great corps in my tenure, but with more family and work responsibilities, my playtime is so sporadic and limited, that I have not been able to take part in corp activities, or even spend enough consistent time to even find a corp to join.
This leaves me with Eve Online solo play, which is not near as exciting as it could be. PvE and Mining are what it leaves me at, which i do greatly enjoy (I have always found mining eerily enjoyable) - but both are so much more fun with at least 1 or 2 friends along for the ride.
I love eve online - I follow it continuously - I still lurk the forums - I still read every article and watch every video - but i only subscribe on average 3 months of a given year. It's actually depressing to me, and i feel I am somehow failing to keep my end of the bargain somehow - like I owe eve more of my time. Is this how other 'Eve Ex-pats' feel?
..Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question....
...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships.
.....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...
......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....
.........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills....
............and finally i unsub because i'm paying to queue skills.....
........................every damn time.
In your case.. and in the case of anyone who follows this pattern, the ultimate reason you stop playing is because you make the first mistake over and over again.
Get into a Corp.
Unlike most MMO's, you should not solo at the start thinking you'll do the group play later when your more experienced.
People who get addicted to Eve and eventually become very powerfull are usually the people that want to join a guild / corp immediatley.
Other players will escalate your wealth, knowledge and skill 1000x faster than you can on your own. Along with everything else that you seek from gaming.
I used to love playing Eve and mining while reading or doing homework. Then griefers started bumping me away from the roids and telling me I had to pay them to mine. I moved to another system, they followed, I unsubbed.
Oddly, I loved mining in this game and found I could actually get through a few hours of boring textbook while mining. I was sad to give it up and have never found anything to replace it and make studying fun again. It just sucks that so many griefers play this game.
Eve is like Mos Eisley... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. If you can get past that, it can be quite fun.
This is why I have never tried it. I have not heard good things about the community and players. I am not interested in that kind of BS in a video game.
Last straw for me was when they allowed PLEX to be scammed / stolen / destroyed. Scamming people out of game currency or destroying in-game assets with no actual dollar value (outside of the 'black market') is one thing; someone stealing and / or blowing up $1000 worth of PLEX is no different (save the physical endangerment, of course) than following someone into an alley, knocking them out, and taking $1000 from their wallet (and perhaps then lighting the bills on fire). It's condoning thuggery, and I cannot in good conscience support such a company.
I will say that the community is both the best, and worst, I've ever experienced. When I left it was definitely on a downward slide though.
Yep, don't mind the isk scams, but when you start dealing with real money, which is exactly what PLEX is, you have to start wondering about CCP. You even have to wonder about the legality of it. It certainly does not speak well for CCP that they allow this in a game because these scammers are stealing real money.
Originally posted by TheRealDarkeus This is why I have never tried it. I have not heard good things about the community and players. I am not interested in that kind of BS in a video game.
I've played many MMOs over the years, and to me, the EVE community is the most mature and helpful group of gamers that I've come across. My experience has been 99% positive since I've played, which is a way higher percentage that with any other MMO community.
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i friken love reading about EvE. every time one of these expansions comes out have the crazy urge to re-sub. when i do, i usually play for a few hours and remember that i can't do 2/3 of the stuff because i don't have the skills (which will take only the next 6 months to train)..
..Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question....
...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships.
.....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...
......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....
.........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills....
............and finally i unsub because i'm paying to queue skills.....
........................every damn time.
I never had that feeling. After years of playing Lineage and similar games, I had only feeling "WHATS NEXT"?? I find this game awesome. Its almost 10 years I play EVE. Sometimes it gets bored. But I reactivate my accounts again and again.
...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships.
.....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...
......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....
There are not only mining. There are missions, arcs, ratting, salvaging, stealing loot. Be open minded and you will find what to do in EVE. Its not like - kill monster - get 0.00001% to your exp. Its much more exiting and have much more posibilities.
Yep, don't mind the isk scams, but when you start dealing with real money, which is exactly what PLEX is, you have to start wondering about CCP. You even have to wonder about the legality of it. It certainly does not speak well for CCP that they allow this in a game because these scammers are stealing real money.
In 10 years of EVE expierence I was NEVER scammed. Use your brain, its all what can I say...
In 10 years of EVE expierence I was NEVER scammed. Use your brain, its all what can I say...
Thats just it, in Eve, almost everything is a scam. Most people dont want to play a game that requires that much research. Seriously most of the offers in local, most of the contracts in the system are scams and it requires a detailed review to make sure it is not. Then there is the reverse market thing where you can see a normal offer and buy it and then find out you dont get it AND you lose money. You join a corp only to work for weeks to have one d-bag steal everything you worked hard to build. You join Goons and have them rob you blind. You mine and someone flips your can. You jump through a gate in empire and get camped.
Seriously, there are so many rules to follow it isnt funny. Dont fly with more than 100mill worth of cargo. Have a scout fly through the gate first, do background checks on each person applying to your corp, keep everything in the corp locked down, dont buy the lowest priced item in the market, check the actual item in a contract to make sure the description is accurate. Honestly, you can get scammed doing anything in this game if you are not paying 100% attentiont o what you are doing.
Dont get me wrong, I love the game and have played on and off for about 10 years. It has the best and worst community I have ever experienced in a game and it can be incredibly rewarding. It also has a metric ton of scammers who drive people away from the game. Most of the time I have left it was due to some thief in the corp taking everything or some other scam. I just get tired of having to pay soooooo much attention to what I am doing when playing a video game. The amount of time and attention this game requires from me is sometimes too much.
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In 10 years of EVE expierence I was NEVER scammed. Use your brain, its all what can I say...
Thats just it, in Eve, almost everything is a scam. Most people dont want to play a game that requires that much research. Seriously most of the offers in local, most of the contracts in the system are scams and it requires a detailed review to make sure it is not. Then there is the reverse market thing where you can see a normal offer and buy it and then find out you dont get it AND you lose money. You join a corp only to work for weeks to have one d-bag steal everything you worked hard to build. You join Goons and have them rob you blind. You mine and someone flips your can. You jump through a gate in empire and get camped.
Seriously, there are so many rules to follow it isnt funny. Dont fly with more than 100mill worth of cargo. Have a scout fly through the gate first, do background checks on each person applying to your corp, keep everything in the corp locked down, dont buy the lowest priced item in the market, check the actual item in a contract to make sure the description is accurate. Honestly, you can get scammed doing anything in this game if you are not paying 100% attentiont o what you are doing.
Dont get me wrong, I love the game and have played on and off for about 10 years. It has the best and worst community I have ever experienced in a game and it can be incredibly rewarding. It also has a metric ton of scammers who drive people away from the game. Most of the time I have left it was due to some thief in the corp taking everything or some other scam. I just get tired of having to pay soooooo much attention to what I am doing when playing a video game. The amount of time and attention this game requires from me is sometimes too much.
You are right at some point. Every game has his scam mechanics. EVE has more of it because it has very massive market. In every game I play, I have one simple rule. I do not trust anyone, who I dont know personaly. I trust no clan/guild/corp mates, leaders, GMs or anyone in game. Someone may say its stupid. Maybe. BUT I WAS NEVER SCAMMED IN EVE.
Yes, I agree scammers sucks. Especially in EVE. But most of MMOs have simple butom - block any who you dont want to read. I use it. It helps to clen chat for some time.
And lets be hosnest. How much time we spend in trading hubs? I visit them one time in month or even less. Just buy new modules, PLEX or anything I need and then leave.
Scamm is problem if you have chosen trader proffesional path.
I have always come back to EVE every few years or so. Seems to be the times in my life when I am most desperate and lonely. Drinking lots, feeling bad about myself.
Jk.......................
Originally posted by Arskaaa "when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".
Yep, don't mind the isk scams, but when you start dealing with real money, which is exactly what PLEX is, you have to start wondering about CCP. You even have to wonder about the legality of it. It certainly does not speak well for CCP that they allow this in a game because these scammers are stealing real money.
CCP are the ones who don't mind scamming their players (Monocle-gate, T20 scandal, etc). It should come as no surprise.
I agree that waiting for skills to complete can be a pain, but I did this thing called reading and I figured out how to shave some time off my training queue. I.E. Neural remapping and implants. While that queue is doing its thang, there is a multitude of sites to explore, ships to fight, ways to earn ISK. You don't have to fly the shiniest or the biggest bad ass battleship in the fleet to make the enemy go pop.
I've done mining, industry, research, invention, exploring, sneaking into other corporation's wormhole space, and live in null sec with tech 1 ships and I am nowhere near the best pilot in EvE. I've lost my share of ships but I have made others go boom too and I have stolen some valuable assets from their territories as well. Covert Ops ships are fun and worth the wait. Now I am champing at the bit to get into Black Ops ships. I haven't yet tried running the market, flying capital ships, running my own corp, building player owned stations, moon mining, planetary interaction, etc.... There is a lot of content and things to do in this game, you just need to get off your butt and get it done.
Most people forget that this game is not meant to be played solo and if you're not willing to put in the time to learn what you need to survive or cry because someone shot at you then best go find another MMO with that push button instant gratification thing that most have going for it.
I hate to say it, I've had the same problem as a lot of others -- I play the game for a couple months and then just get bored and unsub. I wanted to be Covert Ops, and I trained for a few months and ... was still having to train more time, at least another couple months to be able to fly the type of ship I wanted.
I think the thing that kills it for me is that I can only play like I want to play after investing significant amounts of time (to the tunes of months). I can think that what would make it better for me is if the different playstyles (I'm looking at your Covert Ops) were more easily accessible. I don't mean I want the best Covert Ops ships right from the outset, but rather *some* easier to fly ships that naturally flow into CovertOps (for example).
I'd also enjoy if Exploration was a little bit more viable -- maybe it is after the recent expansions (I haven't played in 6mon or so).
To do anything meaningful in Eve, you have to play it like it's a job. This is similar to most MMOs, but only more so.
It's ideal for children or students on holiday, the retired, long-term unemployed, those who live on disability benefits, or military personnel who have extreme amounts of down-time.
I think the thing that kills it for me is that I can only play like I want to play after investing significant amounts of time (to the tunes of months). I can think that what would make it better for me is if the different playstyles (I'm looking at your Covert Ops) were more easily accessible. ...
I'd also enjoy if Exploration was a little bit more viable -- maybe it is after the recent expansions (I haven't played in 6mon or so).
Hmm, really? I also had a goal to fly cov ops, and I don't remember it taking that long to do so. Maybe I was busy doing other things while I trained, but it seemed to go by fairly fast.
As for exploration being viable, it was always so, at least for me. Before Odyssey and the exploration changes, I used to make gobs of isk in exploration every day--it was my primary profession and money maker. And the great thing about exploration back then is that you could do it solo, at any time, anywhere--which was good if you had limited RL time.
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i friken love reading about EvE. every time one of these expansions comes out have the crazy urge to re-sub. when i do, i usually play for a few hours and remember that i can't do 2/3 of the stuff because i don't have the skills (which will take only the next 6 months to train)..
..Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question....
...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships.
.....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...
......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....
.........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills....
............and finally i unsub because i'm paying to queue skills.....
All the people posting how they cant do this or that because they dont have the skills or isk should set their goals more realistically. Youre not going to fly capital ships or own hold space in the first two months of playing. That being said most of the core eve experience can be accessed within the first week. Be it pvp, pve, exploration or even industry you can get into it immediately. You wont be incredibly efficient and you will get blown up a lot but thats a part of the experience. Also for some reason people are stubborn and want to play eve solo even tho its an MMO. Its easy to find a like minded friendly group of people as long as you just give it a go.
Originally posted by Altaren All the people posting how they cant do this or that because they dont have the skills or isk should set their goals more realistically. Youre not going to fly capital ships or own hold space in the first two months of playing.
Well, let's be honest. Eve is a niche game. Niche means "not for everyone". Not because some lacks brains or something like some Eve elitists here trying to claim, but because of different expectations from game and different mindsets. For me game is entertainment and i want it as fast as possible because i don't have much time to play. And that's where my troubles with EvE starts. My first experience with EvE ended after about 5 minutes. That was in times when learning skills were still in game. I just couldn't get the idea that was in every guide: "Queue learning skills and you can forget about EvE for a month". I was literally like WTF?! Paying for a game that you are not playing is somewhat mind blowing idea for me. You can argue that it still were possible to run some agent missions. True, but i found that most dull and boring WoW daily quests looks (kill 10 rats every single day ones) is exactly the same kind of thing as EvE agent missions. Next time i tried EvE after learning skills were gone. Tried mining. It's boring as hell, so i quit again after a month for that. Ok, once again some friends said i was doing it all wrong and dragged me into EvE again. Now for some roaming PvP. Ok, that was fun. BUT. If that happened. You see, sometimes it's a lot of action and fun, but sometimes it a lot of flying around in empty space. And the last one isn't fun at all. So i quit again.
I'll not say that EvE is bad or something. It's great but it's a niche game as i said in the beginning. Not for everyone. If you like it - great and good for you. If i don't - don't blame me or tell me that i'm wrong. Just i want and expect from a game something different than you are. I like games where you get into none stop action right after you logged in and a one hour game session is perfectly ok. And that's not EvE for sure.
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Such an amazing game with huge ambitions, amazing community, and a breath of fresh air.
Mmos dont get any deeper or complex than this, and rubicon just adds more, which is great.
one of the only games keeping this genre fresh, keeping all the babyish mechanics and gameplay far far away.
unforgiving yet rewarding if people actually tried it properly and didnt always think within the box like so many do, its sad really.
i only wish more developers had such visions and support for their players, rather than focusing soley on buisiness.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head.
And it's usually between the "......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish...." and the ".........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills...." that EvE players use that free time they have to come promote their game passionately on these forums.
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Almost all MMO'ers are lazy these days because games spoon feed them the content and levels by holding their hands and walking them from quest to quest and giving them gear they can never lose.
EVE doesn't spoon feed you anything. If you can't think for yourself, or you're unwilling to join a corp that's noob friendly and ask questions, then you'll do exactly the dumb things the first poster in this thread says he does "every time".
Hint: If you're a new player and mining solo for ISK, then you have no clue what you're doing and need to find a good corporation that can whip you into a decent player. Either that or take everything you know about the hand holding, kiddie MMO's, crap it into a toilet and flush it, cause it won't help you in EVE.
This is not a foreign feeling to me, but it has never been the skills that deterred me. I have never, in my time playing eve (since Exodus I think), felt limited by skill set, or felt like i had to wait until that level 5 finished before i could enjoy the game. The other points you mention though, mostly the lack of a corp ('guild' as you - for some lame reason - call it) is what ends up keeping me from staying engaged. I have been member of great corps in my tenure, but with more family and work responsibilities, my playtime is so sporadic and limited, that I have not been able to take part in corp activities, or even spend enough consistent time to even find a corp to join.
This leaves me with Eve Online solo play, which is not near as exciting as it could be. PvE and Mining are what it leaves me at, which i do greatly enjoy (I have always found mining eerily enjoyable) - but both are so much more fun with at least 1 or 2 friends along for the ride.
I love eve online - I follow it continuously - I still lurk the forums - I still read every article and watch every video - but i only subscribe on average 3 months of a given year. It's actually depressing to me, and i feel I am somehow failing to keep my end of the bargain somehow - like I owe eve more of my time. Is this how other 'Eve Ex-pats' feel?
CraziFuzzy
In your case.. and in the case of anyone who follows this pattern, the ultimate reason you stop playing is because you make the first mistake over and over again.
Get into a Corp.
Unlike most MMO's, you should not solo at the start thinking you'll do the group play later when your more experienced.
People who get addicted to Eve and eventually become very powerfull are usually the people that want to join a guild / corp immediatley.
Other players will escalate your wealth, knowledge and skill 1000x faster than you can on your own. Along with everything else that you seek from gaming.
Yep, don't mind the isk scams, but when you start dealing with real money, which is exactly what PLEX is, you have to start wondering about CCP. You even have to wonder about the legality of it. It certainly does not speak well for CCP that they allow this in a game because these scammers are stealing real money.
BestSigEver :P
I've played many MMOs over the years, and to me, the EVE community is the most mature and helpful group of gamers that I've come across. My experience has been 99% positive since I've played, which is a way higher percentage that with any other MMO community.
They can adjust a game all day, but they can't help the issue between the keyboard and the chair.
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I never had that feeling. After years of playing Lineage and similar games, I had only feeling "WHATS NEXT"?? I find this game awesome. Its almost 10 years I play EVE. Sometimes it gets bored. But I reactivate my accounts again and again.
...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships.
.....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...
......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....
There are not only mining. There are missions, arcs, ratting, salvaging, stealing loot. Be open minded and you will find what to do in EVE. Its not like - kill monster - get 0.00001% to your exp. Its much more exiting and have much more posibilities.
(Sorry for my poor english)
In 10 years of EVE expierence I was NEVER scammed. Use your brain, its all what can I say...
Thats just it, in Eve, almost everything is a scam. Most people dont want to play a game that requires that much research. Seriously most of the offers in local, most of the contracts in the system are scams and it requires a detailed review to make sure it is not. Then there is the reverse market thing where you can see a normal offer and buy it and then find out you dont get it AND you lose money. You join a corp only to work for weeks to have one d-bag steal everything you worked hard to build. You join Goons and have them rob you blind. You mine and someone flips your can. You jump through a gate in empire and get camped.
Seriously, there are so many rules to follow it isnt funny. Dont fly with more than 100mill worth of cargo. Have a scout fly through the gate first, do background checks on each person applying to your corp, keep everything in the corp locked down, dont buy the lowest priced item in the market, check the actual item in a contract to make sure the description is accurate. Honestly, you can get scammed doing anything in this game if you are not paying 100% attentiont o what you are doing.
Dont get me wrong, I love the game and have played on and off for about 10 years. It has the best and worst community I have ever experienced in a game and it can be incredibly rewarding. It also has a metric ton of scammers who drive people away from the game. Most of the time I have left it was due to some thief in the corp taking everything or some other scam. I just get tired of having to pay soooooo much attention to what I am doing when playing a video game. The amount of time and attention this game requires from me is sometimes too much.
You are right at some point. Every game has his scam mechanics. EVE has more of it because it has very massive market. In every game I play, I have one simple rule. I do not trust anyone, who I dont know personaly. I trust no clan/guild/corp mates, leaders, GMs or anyone in game. Someone may say its stupid. Maybe. BUT I WAS NEVER SCAMMED IN EVE.
Yes, I agree scammers sucks. Especially in EVE. But most of MMOs have simple butom - block any who you dont want to read. I use it. It helps to clen chat for some time.
And lets be hosnest. How much time we spend in trading hubs? I visit them one time in month or even less. Just buy new modules, PLEX or anything I need and then leave.
Scamm is problem if you have chosen trader proffesional path.
I have always come back to EVE every few years or so. Seems to be the times in my life when I am most desperate and lonely. Drinking lots, feeling bad about myself.
Jk.......................
Originally posted by Arskaaa
"when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".
CCP are the ones who don't mind scamming their players (Monocle-gate, T20 scandal, etc). It should come as no surprise.
I agree that waiting for skills to complete can be a pain, but I did this thing called reading and I figured out how to shave some time off my training queue. I.E. Neural remapping and implants. While that queue is doing its thang, there is a multitude of sites to explore, ships to fight, ways to earn ISK. You don't have to fly the shiniest or the biggest bad ass battleship in the fleet to make the enemy go pop.
I've done mining, industry, research, invention, exploring, sneaking into other corporation's wormhole space, and live in null sec with tech 1 ships and I am nowhere near the best pilot in EvE. I've lost my share of ships but I have made others go boom too and I have stolen some valuable assets from their territories as well. Covert Ops ships are fun and worth the wait. Now I am champing at the bit to get into Black Ops ships. I haven't yet tried running the market, flying capital ships, running my own corp, building player owned stations, moon mining, planetary interaction, etc.... There is a lot of content and things to do in this game, you just need to get off your butt and get it done.
Most people forget that this game is not meant to be played solo and if you're not willing to put in the time to learn what you need to survive or cry because someone shot at you then best go find another MMO with that push button instant gratification thing that most have going for it.
I hate to say it, I've had the same problem as a lot of others -- I play the game for a couple months and then just get bored and unsub. I wanted to be Covert Ops, and I trained for a few months and ... was still having to train more time, at least another couple months to be able to fly the type of ship I wanted.
I think the thing that kills it for me is that I can only play like I want to play after investing significant amounts of time (to the tunes of months). I can think that what would make it better for me is if the different playstyles (I'm looking at your Covert Ops) were more easily accessible. I don't mean I want the best Covert Ops ships right from the outset, but rather *some* easier to fly ships that naturally flow into CovertOps (for example).
I'd also enjoy if Exploration was a little bit more viable -- maybe it is after the recent expansions (I haven't played in 6mon or so).
To do anything meaningful in Eve, you have to play it like it's a job. This is similar to most MMOs, but only more so.
It's ideal for children or students on holiday, the retired, long-term unemployed, those who live on disability benefits, or military personnel who have extreme amounts of down-time.
Hmm, really? I also had a goal to fly cov ops, and I don't remember it taking that long to do so. Maybe I was busy doing other things while I trained, but it seemed to go by fairly fast.
As for exploration being viable, it was always so, at least for me. Before Odyssey and the exploration changes, I used to make gobs of isk in exploration every day--it was my primary profession and money maker. And the great thing about exploration back then is that you could do it solo, at any time, anywhere--which was good if you had limited RL time.
They can adjust a game all day, but they can't help the issue between the keyboard and the chair.
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This is EVE !
Well, let's be honest. Eve is a niche game. Niche means "not for everyone". Not because some lacks brains or something like some Eve elitists here trying to claim, but because of different expectations from game and different mindsets. For me game is entertainment and i want it as fast as possible because i don't have much time to play. And that's where my troubles with EvE starts. My first experience with EvE ended after about 5 minutes. That was in times when learning skills were still in game. I just couldn't get the idea that was in every guide: "Queue learning skills and you can forget about EvE for a month". I was literally like WTF?! Paying for a game that you are not playing is somewhat mind blowing idea for me. You can argue that it still were possible to run some agent missions. True, but i found that most dull and boring WoW daily quests looks (kill 10 rats every single day ones) is exactly the same kind of thing as EvE agent missions. Next time i tried EvE after learning skills were gone. Tried mining. It's boring as hell, so i quit again after a month for that. Ok, once again some friends said i was doing it all wrong and dragged me into EvE again. Now for some roaming PvP. Ok, that was fun. BUT. If that happened. You see, sometimes it's a lot of action and fun, but sometimes it a lot of flying around in empty space. And the last one isn't fun at all. So i quit again.
I'll not say that EvE is bad or something. It's great but it's a niche game as i said in the beginning. Not for everyone. If you like it - great and good for you. If i don't - don't blame me or tell me that i'm wrong. Just i want and expect from a game something different than you are. I like games where you get into none stop action right after you logged in and a one hour game session is perfectly ok. And that's not EvE for sure.