you better play this game in windowed Mode so you can switch faster to your Explorer/opera etc...
or how the guy above said, get a gameboy or a second PC with WoW or another MMorpg on it that you can play while EVE is running.
Hey CCP, you guys did a nice job with EVE no doubt. But i wonder how you want to attract with a game that only people that smoke weed are able to play. they are the only that will have the patience.
In fact, we don't need more players. I think 100k is a nice number. You can cry in other MMORPGs, if you want. EVE's health is more than OK, and i find it fun just how it is right now. If you don't want to join... well, do not. I'm sure the community will be grateful for that.
Bottom line is: EVE is a niche game. Not everyone will like it. If you find it boring during the 14 day trial it's NOT your fault.
EVE fans have a hard time grasping that but it is true. EVE is NOT for everyone. It's niche... whether fans want to admit that or not.
Personally I'm in the process of giving the game another go.... not sure if I'll wind up liking it or not... but it's one of those games that's worth giving another shot now and then.
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I'm not sure about EVE; a few criticisms are that you have to quit the game to play another character and you only get to play 3 in total, the font size is so tiny that sometimes I struggle to read it and it can whizz by fast in Help channel. You can't really alter the interface that much. I understand the reasoning behind the time-based skill system, but you don't see the relation between skills and the effect when you advance during the trial. The tutorial is quite long and in some way I'd like it a little longer but broken up into smaller chunks.
Originally posted by aipok In fact, we don't need more players. I think 100k is a nice number. You can cry in other MMORPGs, if you want. EVE's health is more than OK, and i find it fun just how it is right now. If you don't want to join... well, do not. I'm sure the community will be grateful for that.
This is the most stupid comment i saw in a while, dude, who cares if you want new players or not ?? CCP wants new players, otherwise they wouldnt do commercials.
Turn on your brain before you give stupid comments like this, you have not one clue about business.
every thought about more servers maybe ??
do you think if 100k more players would like to play tomorrow that they would send them to WoW or EQ ?????
The whole EVE community looks like Aliens that are scared that their Planet gets overtaken by intruders...
Aipok i wont loose one tear seeing you crying like a baby when you leave EVE one day and 2-3 new servers are open.
Money rules, not you Aipok or any other EVE Veterans, there are more Veterans comming after you left guys, and more and more and more....
Aipok, you are just paying for EVE thats the reason you can play it, not one CCP developer or Employee will honor you for defending the game here. Your are nothing more than 14.95Euro between 80-100k more.
And the day will come Aipok when people like you turn from Fanbois into Trolls full of hate, dissapointed and spamming the boards with exactly the opposite comments.
If i ever feel like returning to EVE, then i return, if i feel its still crap and nothing has changed, then i will write the next destructive review and that until i see that CCP has changed the problems that i mentioned.
This game is good, but it needs a new leadership that shows CCP how to get the big masses. They are moving in the wrong direction.
If the CCP employees want new cars, houses, boats or other Luxury and they feel like its getting to slow, then they will kick your VETERAN butt and say
"We change the game now, so that the masses can play it !! Goodbye Veteran, thnx for playing 2 years !! Thnx for the money !! Sorry you dont like it anymore !! but we dont care because we have 500k subscribers now !! Now begone and shut up AIPOK !!"
Thats what you can expect if you felt in love with a game, sacrificed your lifetime for it. Lost family, Job and everything. (did not happen to me, i had luck)
At the end NO ONE WILL CARE ABOUT YOUR LOVE............................
sad but true.... you better play this game in windowed Mode so you can switch faster to your Explorer/opera etc... or how the guy above said, get a gameboy or a second PC with WoW or another MMorpg on it that you can play while EVE is running. Hey CCP, you guys did a nice job with EVE no doubt. But i wonder how you want to attract with a game that only people that smoke weed are able to play. they are the only that will have the patience.
EVE is a game for mature people, not for kiddies - so you can play with your game boy and never get involved in that what EVE is about. Also some said, that items are hard to achieve. This is actually not true, you can make about 400,000 isk an hour with just having frigates.
If you play 6 hours a day, for example, this is 2.4 million isk each day (as a noob with just frigates) - so if you cannot play EVE it is your fault, the possibilites are there, but you will never find out about them by playing gameboy and travelling endless distances for ... yes, for what? - What about exploration of the solar systems you just pass by playing game boy? ... sorry, but EVE is definately the wrong game for you!
The problem is it is buried in a layer of BORING ARMOUR +10
They added in tractor beams because of the complaints about taking 20 minutes to loot. Then they made it so it requires skills that will take a player 2-3 months to achieve. Buying a tractor beam is easy, thats only 5-10 or so hours of work.
So why did they make the skill requirements so high...
The game is already a total newbie killer with the open pvp, 2 hour tutorial and elitism among established players. So why make more levels of anti newbism?
They really need to make the game faster and more newbie friendly, They cant do anything about the elitism, but they can lower skills on tractors, make the tutorial shorter or more broken up, and a little easier on the new player.
EVE is a game for mature people, not for kiddies - so you can play with your game boy and never get involved in that what EVE is about. Also some said, that items are hard to achieve. This is actually not true, you can make about 400,000 isk an hour with just having frigates. If you play 6 hours a day, for example, this is 2.4 million isk each day (as a noob with just frigates) - so if you cannot play EVE it is your fault, the possibilites are there, but you will never find out about them by playing gameboy and travelling endless distances for ... yes, for what? - What about exploration of the solar systems you just pass by playing game boy? ... sorry, but EVE is definately the wrong game for you! Ragosch[/b][/quote]
Im sorry no matter how you break it down, ALOT of the game is just boring. Doing a 15 jump delivery through safe space is both very profitable and extremely boring.
Heck the DEVS call AFK mining, Afk mining... They even say thats allright in the eula.
Flying around for 15-20 minutes picking up the loot from the battle you just won, it BORING.. there is no exploration, no fun.. its just tedious.
There is alot good about the game, like the best skill system ive ever seen, huge space, tons of ships and accessories. Its the most complex game ive played since UO, in alot of ways its a distant cousin. But closing your eyes and going NAH NAH NAH there is nothing wrong with this game isnt helping anyone.
Originally posted by axyrn Originally posted by aipok In fact, we don't need more players. I think 100k is a nice number. You can cry in other MMORPGs, if you want. EVE's health is more than OK, and i find it fun just how it is right now. If you don't want to join... well, do not. I'm sure the community will be grateful for that.
This is the most stupid comment i saw in a while, dude, who cares if you want new players or not ?? CCP wants new players, otherwise they wouldnt do commercials.
Turn on your brain before you give stupid comments like this, you have not one clue about business.
every thought about more servers maybe ??
do you think if 100k more players would like to play tomorrow that they would send them to WoW or EQ ?????
The whole EVE community looks like Aliens that are scared that their Planet gets overtaken by intruders...
Aipok i wont loose one tear seeing you crying like a baby when you leave EVE one day and 2-3 new servers are open.
Money rules, not you Aipok or any other EVE Veterans, there are more Veterans comming after you left guys, and more and more and more....
Aipok, you are just paying for EVE thats the reason you can play it, not one CCP developer or Employee will honor you for defending the game here. Your are nothing more than 14.95Euro between 80-100k more.
And the day will come Aipok when people like you turn from Fanbois into Trolls full of hate, dissapointed and spamming the boards with exactly the opposite comments.
If i ever feel like returning to EVE, then i return, if i feel its still crap and nothing has changed, then i will write the next destructive review and that until i see that CCP has changed the problems that i mentioned.
This game is good, but it needs a new leadership that shows CCP how to get the big masses. They are moving in the wrong direction.
If the CCP employees want new cars, houses, boats or other Luxury and they feel like its getting to slow, then they will kick your VETERAN butt and say
"We change the game now, so that the masses can play it !! Goodbye Veteran, thnx for playing 2 years !! Thnx for the money !! Sorry you dont like it anymore !! but we dont care because we have 500k subscribers now !! Now begone and shut up AIPOK !!"
Thats what you can expect if you felt in love with a game, sacrificed your lifetime for it. Lost family, Job and everything. (did not happen to me, i had luck)
At the end NO ONE WILL CARE ABOUT YOUR LOVE............................
I'm just saying that if you don't want to play because you don't like the game, just don't play it. Don't you think that if CCP wanted to do "a WoW" it WOULD HAVE DONE IT? Why wasting 3 years of developing a game nobody wants to play? Well, the fact is that "somebody" really -likes- the game. If 1 of every 4 people who enters EVE, continues there after the trial, well, i "should" think with that fanboy brain you mention that the game is working, because the player community, is growing.
If you know what you are talking about, why do you say a stupid thing like "another EVE server"? That's has no sense. Do you know that CCP does more things apart from EVE? Oh, maybe you don't. Well, then why do you talk about things that your not-fanboy-brain cannot comprehend?
BTW, this is a discussion forum where everyone puts his opinion. I just gave mine. The players who aren't playing don't change the game at all. In fact, the server is going well without them, and CCP can buy expensive stuff. And, "oh, miracle", the community keeps growing. Think about this if you can. Only a player pays money. A Crying Trialer who doesn't like the game costs much more to make happy.
Maybe I'm a fanboy, but at least I'm not going into the forums like a furious berserker calling people stupid with no reason. So, you can get your comments and do with them whatever you want, but keep them far from me.
Flying around for 15-20 minutes picking up the loot from the battle you just won, it BORING.. there is no exploration, no fun.. its just tedious.
You can leave the loot there. I usually get the loot in less than 5 minutes, and won't ever use a tractor beam. I suppose that you are doing at least lvl 3 missions, am i right? at 200m/s you do 20 km in 100 seconds (yes, one minute 40 seconds). Isn't that enough for a small battle? in frig you usually go more than 400m/s, and with cruiser isn't difficult to reach that speed. At 150 KM you can even warp to the object. Where's the problem really?
Flying around for 15-20 minutes picking up the loot from the battle you just won, it BORING.. there is no exploration, no fun.. its just tedious.
You can leave the loot there. I usually get the loot in less than 5 minutes, and won't ever use a tractor beam. I suppose that you are doing at least lvl 3 missions, am i right? at 200m/s you do 20 km in 100 seconds (yes, one minute 40 seconds). Isn't that enough for a small battle? in frig you usually go more than 400m/s, and with cruiser isn't difficult to reach that speed. At 150 KM you can even warp to the object. Where's the problem really?
Yep
Even in a slow cruiser like the Rupture you can easily get to ~600m/s with decent AB's, and with MWD you'll get around 2km/s (30 seconds with AB's, 10 seconds with MWD for 20KM loot). How is this '20 minutes flying around for loot'?
Hell, if you're too stupid to buy an AB or MWD you shouldn't be playing the game at all.
I have a decent afterburner, but not a nanofiber, or a mwd yet.
Yes if I park in one place and fight, the loots close.
But in those tough battles that I have to fly around it, the cargo drops get scattered all over the place. Those take 15-20 to pick up. Also newbie frigates, get 300 about... and thats not that good, and again another point about it not being newbie friendly.
BUt thats not really the point.
Why Does tractor beam require 2-3 months of training to use? 2 level 5 skills 15 days each. Thats just for level 5, that doesnt include 1-4, plus a few other skills.
Im not saying the entire game is awful, far from it, but they need to get rid of some of the useless downtime. Im not imagining this stuff or making it up, alot of people are coming in with the same issues Im bringing up. Even if its only new players who are quitting after the trial, doesnt anyone else see this as a problem?
Originally posted by Kconvey Level 2's in a destroyer.I have a decent afterburner, but not a nanofiber, or a mwd yet.Yes if I park in one place and fight, the loots close.But in those tough battles that I have to fly around it, the cargo drops get scattered all over the place. Those take 15-20 to pick up. Also newbie frigates, get 300 about... and thats not that good, and again another point about it not being newbie friendly.BUt thats not really the point.Why Does tractor beam require 2-3 months of training to use? 2 level 5 skills 15 days each. Thats just for level 5, that doesnt include 1-4, plus a few other skills.Im not saying the entire game is awful, far from it, but they need to get rid of some of the useless downtime. Im not imagining this stuff or making it up, alot of people are coming in with the same issues Im bringing up. Even if its only new players who are quitting after the trial, doesnt anyone else see this as a problem?
There's no point in arguing with them Kconvey. they're convinced there's nothing wrong with the game at all, they're happy with it. Nothing you say is going to convince them that the newbie experience in EVE is anything less than awesome. I agree with you, the 'newbie' experience needs work in EVE. There is a lot of fun to be had in the game, it's just a shame that you have to know the game before you really know how to get at it.
And then, on top of that, it takes around a month to start to really understand the game. And by then you are going 'awe crap... I started all wrong!'... Then you get to decide if it's worth restarting from scratch or just suffering through learning the skills you should have learned in the first place.
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I don't know why some players descibe the learning curve for Eve to be steep. I did the tutorial (which is in itself awesome!) and went straight into the game with no problems. Had a blast running missions for my agents. In three days I had a new ship.
The games graphics are incredible, gameplay is not complicated at all, tons of missions, and you can select to play "inside" the law or "outside".
I have a great time on EVE as do a lot of my friends who took my advice and subscribed. Coming from SWG I had forgotten that gaming is suppose to be entertaining and, yes, fun. Eve is both.
This thread could almost be a flaming thread, or has already become one... anyway;
Elnator (sorry for spelling mistake) has the entire theory behind Eve down pat with these simple words
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WHy do these people keep on trying to defend their opinions of either hate or love of the game. Of course it doesn't suit every single person out there that has played a MMO. CCP created the game as a side project when they were in their collective colleges. Eve itself wasnt ment for anything more then a privet venture, but it has turned out to be one hell of a well designed and beautiful games out there, just because you can't grind levels doesn't give you the right to flame anyone that gets enjoyment from it. Also to ever 'Veteran' out there that wishes to defend this game, Don't bother yourself, you are better off wasting your time in game helping the new players and their ever lasting questions about the drone missing in Ares part 8. These people should be left to themselves.
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Yes EVE is a niche game, but the newbie experience needs to take account of the fact that there are 2 types. Those that have never played a mmorpg before and those that have. The tutorial needs to show how and why it is different.
As a "veteran" of EVE, I'd like to chime in with some of the games faults, basically the biggest... travel time. Unless you have insta-jump bookmarks to speed up travel, it takes a long time to get anywhere.
Of course this is a "space" game, and traveling across the universe should take a long time. But, this is also a game, and travel kills the "fun" aspect.
This is also a strategy game of huge proportions, which is not outlined anywhere in the game in detail. Everything in the game is PvP, combat, trading, mining and selling the ores / minerals, it's all one player against another where personal skills come into play. Want to be a business tycoon? You'll be up against other players wanting the same thing... Want to be a miner? You'll compete for the best asteroids to mine, and the best prices to sell the minerals for... etc.
The game is not newb friendly at first, but if you get into a decent corp (guild) it changes everything in your game experience. Theres lots of advice and help for most newbies from 90% of the corps out there.
If you have tried EVE and only stayed in the NPC corp you started in, try it again, get into a player corp, and you'll see a huge improvement in how you view the game. This game has immense depth that I've never seen in any other MMORPG, but it takes more than a couple weeks to even begin to see it.
Its not as easy as you say to get into a good corp. Heck its not even easy to get into a corp at all. And many new players are going to quit out of frustration before they even get that far.
Not to mention nowhere is it explained how important learning skills are, navigation skills, what stats to take(take the wrong stats and you could loose weeks of work)
Getting into a corp isnt really lik getting into a guild in other games, except maybe EQ or high end wow. IN CoH or non raiding wow, you just meet people you have fun doing adventures with and joing their guild. Maybe its not going to get you into MC raids, but even a small friendly guild will help you get to 50 in coh, or 60 in wow.
Eve you have to search fan sites, make applications, do teamspeak interviews..... is this a game anymore? Eve isnt the first game this stuff happens, you see it in Eq and raiding wow. But you dont need to do things like that just to play the game.
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Time based advancement I do like.
The 1 ENTIRE month to learn 1 SINGLE skill point put me off.
The Slow slow, snail slower than slow gameplay also put me off.
Yeah tractor beams... after 3-6 months of play maybe I would have the skills to get one.
No.. game is not for me..
Ps if you get this game
GET A GAMEBOY!!!!
You will need it.
sad but true....
you better play this game in windowed Mode so you can switch faster to your Explorer/opera etc...
or how the guy above said, get a gameboy or a second PC with WoW or another MMorpg on it that you can play while EVE is running.
Hey CCP, you guys did a nice job with EVE no doubt. But i wonder how you want to attract with a game that only people that smoke weed are able to play. they are the only that will have the patience.
In fact, we don't need more players. I think 100k is a nice number. You can cry in other MMORPGs, if you want. EVE's health is more than OK, and i find it fun just how it is right now. If you don't want to join... well, do not. I'm sure the community will be grateful for that.
Bottom line is:
EVE is a niche game. Not everyone will like it. If you find it boring during the 14 day trial it's NOT your fault.
EVE fans have a hard time grasping that but it is true. EVE is NOT for everyone. It's niche... whether fans want to admit that or not.
Personally I'm in the process of giving the game another go.... not sure if I'll wind up liking it or not... but it's one of those games that's worth giving another shot now and then.
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I'm not sure about EVE; a few criticisms are that you have to quit the game to play another character and you only get to play 3 in total, the font size is so tiny that sometimes I struggle to read it and it can whizz by fast in Help channel. You can't really alter the interface that much. I understand the reasoning behind the time-based skill system, but you don't see the relation between skills and the effect when you advance during the trial. The tutorial is quite long and in some way I'd like it a little longer but broken up into smaller chunks.
Just my opinion.
This is the most stupid comment i saw in a while, dude, who cares if you want new players or not ?? CCP wants new players, otherwise they wouldnt do commercials.
Turn on your brain before you give stupid comments like this, you have not one clue about business.
every thought about more servers maybe ??
do you think if 100k more players would like to play tomorrow that they would send them to WoW or EQ ?????
The whole EVE community looks like Aliens that are scared that their Planet gets overtaken by intruders...
Aipok i wont loose one tear seeing you crying like a baby when you leave EVE one day and 2-3 new servers are open.
Money rules, not you Aipok or any other EVE Veterans, there are more Veterans comming after you left guys, and more and more and more....
Aipok, you are just paying for EVE thats the reason you can play it, not one CCP developer or Employee will honor you for defending the game here. Your are nothing more than 14.95Euro between 80-100k more.
And the day will come Aipok when people like you turn from Fanbois into Trolls full of hate, dissapointed and spamming the boards with exactly the opposite comments.
If i ever feel like returning to EVE, then i return, if i feel its still crap and nothing has changed, then i will write the next destructive review and that until i see that CCP has changed the problems that i mentioned.
This game is good, but it needs a new leadership that shows CCP how to get the big masses. They are moving in the wrong direction.
If the CCP employees want new cars, houses, boats or other Luxury and they feel like its getting to slow, then they will kick your VETERAN butt and say
"We change the game now, so that the masses can play it !! Goodbye Veteran, thnx for playing 2 years !! Thnx for the money !! Sorry you dont like it anymore !! but we dont care because we have 500k subscribers now !! Now begone and shut up AIPOK !!"
Thats what you can expect if you felt in love with a game, sacrificed your lifetime for it. Lost family, Job and everything. (did not happen to me, i had luck)
At the end NO ONE WILL CARE ABOUT YOUR LOVE............................
EVE is a game for mature people, not for kiddies - so you can play with your game boy and never get involved in that what EVE is about. Also some said, that items are hard to achieve. This is actually not true, you can make about 400,000 isk an hour with just having frigates.
If you play 6 hours a day, for example, this is 2.4 million isk each day (as a noob with just frigates) - so if you cannot play EVE it is your fault, the possibilites are there, but you will never find out about them by playing gameboy and travelling endless distances for ... yes, for what? - What about exploration of the solar systems you just pass by playing game boy? ... sorry, but EVE is definately the wrong game for you!
Ragosch
[quote]Originally posted by axyrn
[b][quote]Originally posted by aipok
....Your are nothing more than 14.95Euro between 80-100k more.
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Add a zero on that figure
There is a good game in Eve.
The problem is it is buried in a layer of BORING ARMOUR +10
They added in tractor beams because of the complaints about taking 20 minutes to loot. Then they made it so it requires skills that will take a player 2-3 months to achieve. Buying a tractor beam is easy, thats only 5-10 or so hours of work.
So why did they make the skill requirements so high...
The game is already a total newbie killer with the open pvp, 2 hour tutorial and elitism among established players. So why make more levels of anti newbism?
They really need to make the game faster and more newbie friendly, They cant do anything about the elitism, but they can lower skills on tractors, make the tutorial shorter or more broken up, and a little easier on the new player.
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EVE is a game for mature people, not for kiddies - so you can play with your game boy and never get involved in that what EVE is about. Also some said, that items are hard to achieve. This is actually not true, you can make about 400,000 isk an hour with just having frigates.
If you play 6 hours a day, for example, this is 2.4 million isk each day (as a noob with just frigates) - so if you cannot play EVE it is your fault, the possibilites are there, but you will never find out about them by playing gameboy and travelling endless distances for ... yes, for what? - What about exploration of the solar systems you just pass by playing game boy? ... sorry, but EVE is definately the wrong game for you!
Ragosch[/b][/quote]
Im sorry no matter how you break it down, ALOT of the game is just boring. Doing a 15 jump delivery through safe space is both very profitable and extremely boring.
Heck the DEVS call AFK mining, Afk mining... They even say thats allright in the eula.
Flying around for 15-20 minutes picking up the loot from the battle you just won, it BORING.. there is no exploration, no fun.. its just tedious.
There is alot good about the game, like the best skill system ive ever seen, huge space, tons of ships and accessories. Its the most complex game ive played since UO, in alot of ways its a distant cousin. But closing your eyes and going NAH NAH NAH there is nothing wrong with this game isnt helping anyone.
This is the most stupid comment i saw in a while, dude, who cares if you want new players or not ?? CCP wants new players, otherwise they wouldnt do commercials.
Turn on your brain before you give stupid comments like this, you have not one clue about business.
every thought about more servers maybe ??
do you think if 100k more players would like to play tomorrow that they would send them to WoW or EQ ?????
The whole EVE community looks like Aliens that are scared that their Planet gets overtaken by intruders...
Aipok i wont loose one tear seeing you crying like a baby when you leave EVE one day and 2-3 new servers are open.
Money rules, not you Aipok or any other EVE Veterans, there are more Veterans comming after you left guys, and more and more and more....
Aipok, you are just paying for EVE thats the reason you can play it, not one CCP developer or Employee will honor you for defending the game here. Your are nothing more than 14.95Euro between 80-100k more.
And the day will come Aipok when people like you turn from Fanbois into Trolls full of hate, dissapointed and spamming the boards with exactly the opposite comments.
If i ever feel like returning to EVE, then i return, if i feel its still crap and nothing has changed, then i will write the next destructive review and that until i see that CCP has changed the problems that i mentioned.
This game is good, but it needs a new leadership that shows CCP how to get the big masses. They are moving in the wrong direction.
If the CCP employees want new cars, houses, boats or other Luxury and they feel like its getting to slow, then they will kick your VETERAN butt and say
"We change the game now, so that the masses can play it !! Goodbye Veteran, thnx for playing 2 years !! Thnx for the money !! Sorry you dont like it anymore !! but we dont care because we have 500k subscribers now !! Now begone and shut up AIPOK !!"
Thats what you can expect if you felt in love with a game, sacrificed your lifetime for it. Lost family, Job and everything. (did not happen to me, i had luck)
At the end NO ONE WILL CARE ABOUT YOUR LOVE............................
I'm just saying that if you don't want to play because you don't like the game, just don't play it. Don't you think that if CCP wanted to do "a WoW" it WOULD HAVE DONE IT? Why wasting 3 years of developing a game nobody wants to play? Well, the fact is that "somebody" really -likes- the game. If 1 of every 4 people who enters EVE, continues there after the trial, well, i "should" think with that fanboy brain you mention that the game is working, because the player community, is growing.
If you know what you are talking about, why do you say a stupid thing like "another EVE server"? That's has no sense. Do you know that CCP does more things apart from EVE? Oh, maybe you don't. Well, then why do you talk about things that your not-fanboy-brain cannot comprehend?
BTW, this is a discussion forum where everyone puts his opinion. I just gave mine. The players who aren't playing don't change the game at all. In fact, the server is going well without them, and CCP can buy expensive stuff. And, "oh, miracle", the community keeps growing. Think about this if you can. Only a player pays money. A Crying Trialer who doesn't like the game costs much more to make happy.
Maybe I'm a fanboy, but at least I'm not going into the forums like a furious berserker calling people stupid with no reason. So, you can get your comments and do with them whatever you want, but keep them far from me.
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You can leave the loot there. I usually get the loot in less than 5 minutes, and won't ever use a tractor beam. I suppose that you are doing at least lvl 3 missions, am i right? at 200m/s you do 20 km in 100 seconds (yes, one minute 40 seconds). Isn't that enough for a small battle? in frig you usually go more than 400m/s, and with cruiser isn't difficult to reach that speed. At 150 KM you can even warp to the object. Where's the problem really?
You can leave the loot there. I usually get the loot in less than 5 minutes, and won't ever use a tractor beam. I suppose that you are doing at least lvl 3 missions, am i right? at 200m/s you do 20 km in 100 seconds (yes, one minute 40 seconds). Isn't that enough for a small battle? in frig you usually go more than 400m/s, and with cruiser isn't difficult to reach that speed. At 150 KM you can even warp to the object. Where's the problem really?
Yep
Even in a slow cruiser like the Rupture you can easily get to ~600m/s with decent AB's, and with MWD you'll get around 2km/s (30 seconds with AB's, 10 seconds with MWD for 20KM loot). How is this '20 minutes flying around for loot'?
Hell, if you're too stupid to buy an AB or MWD you shouldn't be playing the game at all.
played eve liked it, but the only thing that holds me back for paying for it is the auto-pilot stuff.
i don't want to pay for a game where i'm half of the time AFK and i need to do other stuff to keep me busy
still the game got some nice features ^^
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This sounds like it might be quite a bit like some of the other Space MMORPG's that died off.
Obviously, there needs to be a way to keep the excitement going or the game will die and/or people will not want to pay $15.00 per month for it.
Lego!
BTW, if you pay 3 months instead of monthly, it costs you about $12/month
Level 2's in a destroyer.
I have a decent afterburner, but not a nanofiber, or a mwd yet.
Yes if I park in one place and fight, the loots close.
But in those tough battles that I have to fly around it, the cargo drops get scattered all over the place. Those take 15-20 to pick up. Also newbie frigates, get 300 about... and thats not that good, and again another point about it not being newbie friendly.
BUt thats not really the point.
Why Does tractor beam require 2-3 months of training to use?
2 level 5 skills 15 days each. Thats just for level 5, that doesnt include 1-4, plus a few other skills.
Im not saying the entire game is awful, far from it, but they need to get rid of some of the useless downtime. Im not imagining this stuff or making it up, alot of people are coming in with the same issues Im bringing up. Even if its only new players who are quitting after the trial, doesnt anyone else see this as a problem?
There's no point in arguing with them Kconvey. they're convinced there's nothing wrong with the game at all, they're happy with it. Nothing you say is going to convince them that the newbie experience in EVE is anything less than awesome. I agree with you, the 'newbie' experience needs work in EVE. There is a lot of fun to be had in the game, it's just a shame that you have to know the game before you really know how to get at it.
And then, on top of that, it takes around a month to start to really understand the game. And by then you are going 'awe crap... I started all wrong!'... Then you get to decide if it's worth restarting from scratch or just suffering through learning the skills you should have learned in the first place.
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I don't know why some players descibe the learning curve for Eve to be steep. I did the tutorial (which is in itself awesome!) and went straight into the game with no problems. Had a blast running missions for my agents. In three days I had a new ship.
The games graphics are incredible, gameplay is not complicated at all, tons of missions, and you can select to play "inside" the law or "outside".
I have a great time on EVE as do a lot of my friends who took my advice and subscribed. Coming from SWG I had forgotten that gaming is suppose to be entertaining and, yes, fun. Eve is both.
This thread could almost be a flaming thread, or has already become one... anyway;
Elnator (sorry for spelling mistake) has the entire theory behind Eve down pat with these simple words
Eve
is
a
Niche
Game
WHy do these people keep on trying to defend their opinions of either hate or love of the game. Of course it doesn't suit every single person out there that has played a MMO. CCP created the game as a side project when they were in their collective colleges. Eve itself wasnt ment for anything more then a privet venture, but it has turned out to be one hell of a well designed and beautiful games out there, just because you can't grind levels doesn't give you the right to flame anyone that gets enjoyment from it.
Also to ever 'Veteran' out there that wishes to defend this game, Don't bother yourself, you are better off wasting your time in game helping the new players and their ever lasting questions about the drone missing in Ares part 8. These people should be left to themselves.
*sitting on the fence*
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Yes EVE is a niche game, but the newbie experience needs to take account of the fact that there are 2 types. Those that have never played a mmorpg before and those that have. The tutorial needs to show how and why it is different.
Thank goodness this game is'nt for everyone.
G.
As a "veteran" of EVE, I'd like to chime in with some of the games faults, basically the biggest... travel time. Unless you have insta-jump bookmarks to speed up travel, it takes a long time to get anywhere.
Of course this is a "space" game, and traveling across the universe should take a long time. But, this is also a game, and travel kills the "fun" aspect.
This is also a strategy game of huge proportions, which is not outlined anywhere in the game in detail. Everything in the game is PvP, combat, trading, mining and selling the ores / minerals, it's all one player against another where personal skills come into play. Want to be a business tycoon? You'll be up against other players wanting the same thing... Want to be a miner? You'll compete for the best asteroids to mine, and the best prices to sell the minerals for... etc.
The game is not newb friendly at first, but if you get into a decent corp (guild) it changes everything in your game experience. Theres lots of advice and help for most newbies from 90% of the corps out there.
If you have tried EVE and only stayed in the NPC corp you started in, try it again, get into a player corp, and you'll see a huge improvement in how you view the game. This game has immense depth that I've never seen in any other MMORPG, but it takes more than a couple weeks to even begin to see it.
Its not as easy as you say to get into a good corp. Heck its not even easy to get into a corp at all. And many new players are going to quit out of frustration before they even get that far.
Not to mention nowhere is it explained how important learning skills are, navigation skills, what stats to take(take the wrong stats and you could loose weeks of work)
Getting into a corp isnt really lik getting into a guild in other games, except maybe EQ or high end wow. IN CoH or non raiding wow, you just meet people you have fun doing adventures with and joing their guild. Maybe its not going to get you into MC raids, but even a small friendly guild will help you get to 50 in coh, or 60 in wow.
Eve you have to search fan sites, make applications, do teamspeak interviews..... is this a game anymore?
Eve isnt the first game this stuff happens, you see it in Eq and raiding wow. But you dont need to do things like that just to play the game.
EVE as it is now is excessivly hardcore..
It needs to lighten up a bit...